Shure SM58 VS Behringer Xm1800s/Behringer XM8500

[sakto2007]

Don't just believe what other people say since they are essentially SELLING it.  Joint Venture is the local distributor of Behringer and it comes naturally for them to brag that Behringer is the best.  Don't compare apples (Shure SM58) with oranges (Behringer XM8500). 

hahaha  oo nga sir, naisip ko din na talagang iaadvertise nila yung product nila kasi behringer lang tlg binebenta nila.

[skyjammer]

Take it from me...

I have a Behringer 1204fx, a set of XM1800 and a XM8500. Although I love Behringer (only because of their cost ok?), di kayang habulin ng mixer ang ngongo ng Behringer mics na to. Kung Soundcraft/Mackie pa mixer mo kaya talaga. It's not because crappy ang 1204fx. It's just that walang mid-sweep ang mixer na to. Hirap habulin ng tunog talaga. I tried using SM58 on the mixer and it sounded way better. XM8500 sounds better than XM1800 on the mixer pero medyo may pagka-ngongo pa din.

Well, kung may compressor/limiter ka plus 32-B EQ may magagawa ka pa din na areglo. Additional cost nga lang. But if you want to keep your rig simple and easy to set up, SM58 ka na lang sir.

I'm selling my Behringer mixer, by the way. May bago na ako eh.  

[sakto2007]

Take it from me...

I have a Behringer 1204fx, a set of XM1800 and a XM8500. Although I love Behringer (only because of their cost ok?), di kayang habulin ng mixer ang ngongo ng Behringer mics na to. Kung Soundcraft/Mackie pa mixer mo kaya talaga. It's not because crappy ang 1204fx. It's just that walang mid-sweep ang mixer na to. Hirap habulin ng tunog talaga. I tried using SM58 on the mixer and it sounded way better. XM8500 sounds better than XM1800 on the mixer pero medyo may pagka-ngongo pa din.

Well, kung may compressor/limiter ka plus 32-B EQ may magagawa ka pa din na areglo. Additional cost nga lang. But if you want to keep your rig simple and easy to set up, SM58 ka na lang sir.

I'm selling my Behringer mixer, by the way. May bago na ako eh.  

Sir kmusta tunog nung SM58 ginamit mo? Ayos ba?Kahit walang mid-sweep ung 1204? Wla ng ngo ngo? Yun nga sir eh, ayoko na mahirapan mg setup sa mga gig. Ibang iba ba tlg tunog ng 8500 sa sm58? Anong difference sir?

Padating na ung 1204 ko sir e, sa US nabili ng dad ko.  salamat!

[skyjammer]

Sir kmusta tunog nung SM58 ginamit mo? Ayos ba?Kahit walang mid-sweep ung 1204? Wla ng ngo ngo? Yun nga sir eh, ayoko na mahirapan mg setup sa mga gig. Ibang iba ba tlg tunog ng 8500 sa sm58? Anong difference sir?

Padating na ung 1204 ko sir e, sa US nabili ng dad ko.  salamat!

Malaki improvement ng sound quality bro pero depends on the acoustics of the venue baka kelangan mo pa din more headroom sa mixer mo para walang ngongo.

Pero going back to the context of our discussion much better kung SM58 ka na kung may budget naman. As for me, I'm an avid fan of behringer kasi yun lang ang kaya ng budget (decent na din naman). madami naman workaround to treat your sound -- attend ka ng audio seminars.

OT: ninong mikep, pa-seminar na tayo ulit!

[sakto2007]

Malaki improvement ng sound quality bro pero depends on the acoustics of the venue baka kelangan mo pa din more headroom sa mixer mo para walang ngongo.

Pero going back to the context of our discussion much better kung SM58 ka na kung may budget naman. As for me, I'm an avid fan of behringer kasi yun lang ang kaya ng budget (decent na din naman). madami naman workaround to treat your sound -- attend ka ng audio seminars.

OT: ninong mikep, pa-seminar na tayo ulit!

Sir pano po pala ang kuryente neto? Kung 1204, 2 JBL ang gamit ko?

Gusto ko nga po maka attend ng seminars e, kaso walang idea san meron.. 

[skyjammer]

Sir pano po pala ang kuryente neto? Kung 1204, 2 JBL ang gamit ko?

Gusto ko nga po maka attend ng seminars e, kaso walang idea san meron.. 

Not sure what you're asking, can you rephrase? Sa start ng thread sabi mo JBL EON powered mixer. Did you mean powered speaker?

[sakto2007]

Not sure what you're asking, can you rephrase? Sa start ng thread sabi mo JBL EON powered mixer. Did you mean powered speaker?

Ay! its powered speaker sir, not mixer. typographical error. sorry 

[tjlimjoco]

KunG hindi maselaN ang set-up,  XM8500 sub0k na namiN   

[irajames]

beside's if you really know what you're doing (mixing, eq, etc.), you can almost make any mic sound good.

pero kung di mo alam ginagawa mo, kahit high end pa gamit mo, wala ring kwenta. Sa dati kong church, bumili sila ng millions worth na sound system. basta puro Yamaha. bagong bago pa lahat. 4 pcs na 600w passive speakers, 2 pcs na 1000w subs, 32 channel na MG series mixer, all shure sm58 mics, yamaha power amps, eq, etc.

kaso yun lang. alam lang nila is  yung pag hook up. mixing, wala. talo sila.

[skyjammer]

Ay! its powered speaker sir, not mixer. typographical error. sorry 

Check your powered speaker's power consumption (printed on the base where the power cord is attached to the unit). Kung nasa 300w lang naman each kahit sa outlet mo na lang lagay lahat kaya na yun (baka risky din kung mataas power requirements ng units kaya dapat check mo). For better results, use a 1500va (at least) AVR for your system (with delay switch dapat). That way regulated ang power na nagpapatakbo ng system mo. Pagawa ka na din ng extension if kulang ang outlet ng AVR mo. Use gauge 14 sa ext and at least 15A outlet (heavy duty).

Hope this helps.

[sakto2007]

Check your powered speaker's power consumption (printed on the base where the power cord is attached to the unit). Kung nasa 300w lang naman each kahit sa outlet mo na lang lagay lahat kaya na yun (baka risky din kung mataas power requirements ng units kaya dapat check mo). For better results, use a 1500va (at least) AVR for your system (with delay switch dapat). That way regulated ang power na nagpapatakbo ng system mo. Pagawa ka na din ng extension if kulang ang outlet ng AVR mo. Use gauge 14 sa ext and at least 15A outlet (heavy duty).

Hope this helps.

Sir, nagtanong ako sa Audiophile. Sabi ng tech dun, kahit extension na lang daw. Pero tanong ko na din po sainyo, may idea po ba kayo or proce range ng avr? what particular brand ang maganda?  Also sir, yung extension ba sa raon ba okay to bilhin? maraming salamat! 

[sakto2007]

beside's if you really know what you're doing (mixing, eq, etc.), you can almost make any mic sound good.

pero kung di mo alam ginagawa mo, kahit high end pa gamit mo, wala ring kwenta. Sa dati kong church, bumili sila ng millions worth na sound system. basta puro Yamaha. bagong bago pa lahat. 4 pcs na 600w passive speakers, 2 pcs na 1000w subs, 32 channel na MG series mixer, all shure sm58 mics, yamaha power amps, eq, etc.

kaso yun lang. alam lang nila is  yung pag hook up. mixing, wala. talo sila.

I agree with you sir. Kaya nga po bago kami bumili ng equipment nagtatanong tanong ako dito sa Phil Music and may friend akong graduate ng Sound Engineering sa Canada kaya malaking tulong din.. 

[sakto2007]

KunG hindi maselaN ang set-up,  XM8500 sub0k na namiN   

Sir san nio ginagamit yung XM8500? Kamusta naman yung tunog?

[skyjammer]

Sir, nagtanong ako sa Audiophile. Sabi ng tech dun, kahit extension na lang daw. Pero tanong ko na din po sainyo, may idea po ba kayo or proce range ng avr? what particular brand ang maganda?   Also sir, yung extension ba sa raon ba okay to bilhin? maraming salamat!  

Yep, that's what I meant by "kahit sa outlet mo na lang lagay lahat kaya na yun". Pero to be safe make sure your extension is heavy duty.

Ang maganda sa AVR, pag regulated power mo, mas consistent ang sound ng equipment. Nababago kasi tunog due to fluctuations ng kuryente. Tested ko na yan sa equipment namin sa church. Dati wala kami AVR grabe di namin mahuli timpla at pabago-bago pa wala naman kami binabago. My bro-in-law suggested na i-try ko AVR so I got one from Kuryente (Electrical store in malls) a Hossoni servo-type 2000VA. Ang laki ng difference ng tunog as in Big Time!

[sakto2007]

Yep, that's what I meant by "kahit sa outlet mo na lang lagay lahat kaya na yun". Pero to be safe make sure your extension is heavy duty.

Ang maganda sa AVR, pag regulated power mo, mas consistent ang sound ng equipment. Nababago kasi tunog due to fluctuations ng kuryente. Tested ko na yan sa equipment namin sa church. Dati wala kami AVR grabe di namin mahuli timpla at pabago-bago pa wala naman kami binabago. My bro-in-law suggested na i-try ko AVR so I got one from Kuryente (Electrical store in malls) a Hossoni servo-type 2000VA. Ang laki ng difference ng tunog as in Big Time!

Sir mga magkano ang AVR??  maraming salamat sa mga advice sir!

[skyjammer]

Sir mga magkano ang AVR??  maraming salamat sa mga advice sir!

Depends on the brand (and type?). I got mine for 4k+ but that was like 4 or 5 years ago. Servo type is a good one. Make sure it has delay switch.

Don't mention it. I learned a lot from PM; just returning the favor. And I'm still learning A LOT from the big guys here. I made our church sound better all credits due to Philmusic and the pros here who are never tired of sharing what they know.

[sakto2007]

Depends on the brand (and type?). I got mine for 4k+ but that was like 4 or 5 years ago. Servo type is a good one. Make sure it has delay switch.

Don't mention it. I learned a lot from PM; just returning the favor. And I'm still learning A LOT from the big guys here. I made our church sound better all credits due to Philmusic and the pros here who are never tired of sharing what they know.

This month pa lang po kasi dating nung mga equipments sir, sa canada kasi nabili.. Kaya ngayon pa lang nagtatanong tanong na ako para pagdating nung mga equipment alam ko na gagawin. Sa raon ba sir okay lang bumili ng avr? tska nung extension?

By the way sir? san church niyo? so christian ka? 

Dami ko na nga din natutunan dito sa Phil Music. The best forum.  hehe

[sikyo]

Take it from me...

I have a Behringer 1204fx, a set of XM1800 and a XM8500. Although I love Behringer (only because of their cost ok?), di kayang habulin ng mixer ang ngongo ng Behringer mics na to. Kung Soundcraft/Mackie pa mixer mo kaya talaga. It's not because crappy ang 1204fx. It's just that walang mid-sweep ang mixer na to. Hirap habulin ng tunog talaga. I tried using SM58 on the mixer and it sounded way better. XM8500 sounds better than XM1800 on the mixer pero medyo may pagka-ngongo pa din.

Well, kung may compressor/limiter ka plus 32-B EQ may magagawa ka pa din na areglo. Additional cost nga lang. But if you want to keep your rig simple and easy to set up, SM58 ka na lang sir.

I'm selling my Behringer mixer, by the way. May bago na ako eh.  



OT: sir, would you mind sharing to what you upgraded your board to? brand and model sana and how its performing with the rest of your hardware TIA

[skyjammer]

This month pa lang po kasi dating nung mga equipments sir, sa canada kasi nabili.. Kaya ngayon pa lang nagtatanong tanong na ako para pagdating nung mga equipment alam ko na gagawin. Sa raon ba sir okay lang bumili ng avr? tska nung extension?

By the way sir? san church niyo? so christian ka? 

Dami ko na nga din natutunan dito sa Phil Music. The best forum.  hehe

Pwede na sa Deeco sa Raon AVR and Extension basta yung extension na bibilhin mo yung malaking guage na ng wire and at least 15A.

yep Christian. Local church here in Muntinlupa.

[skyjammer]

OT: sir, would you mind sharing to what you upgraded your board to? brand and model sana and how its performing with the rest of your hardware TIA

Got Peavey PV-20 16-ch mixer with onboard so-so efx , behringer 31-band eq, dbx comp/limiter/gate. I use the eq's onboard crossover and with a behringer Mic100 pre-amp as volume control.The mixer does not really have a mid-sweep pero nakukuha ko naman yung mid through the EQ and the compresso/limiter.

Before buying the Peavey mixer, I lined it up with Soundcraft MFX, EFX, and Samson. Samson lost the fight big time due to very low headroom. Both MFX and EFX won, well, they're Soundcraft after all.

I chose Peavey for the following reasons:

1. More affordable (already 16 channels) at 26k.
2. Has pwede-na headroom.
3. Way better than Behringer.

I tested the mixers using SM58 at audiophile in Robinsons Pioneer. Very obvious ang difference ng headrooms ng mixers using that mic. No wonder it’s every live performer’s favourite.  Walang ibang equipment na ginamit sa test; mixer to powered speaker lang (JBL EON). Soundcraft ruled the entire test. Hehe!

Pagdating sa church, ni-setup ko na lahat pero mga gamit ko mic mga behringers and wharfedales lang. Without the compressor and EQ, ngo-ngo talaga ang mga mics nay un. So I tried our old PG-48 and it worked kinda better. Kaya ginamit ko compressor and EQ to treat the sound. I’m no pro kaya it took me 3 weekends to finally tame the sound. Right now satisfied ako sa tunog.

Maganda din sa PV-20 is yung USB port nya for direct recording to my Audacity. Pwede na pang-live recording and music playing. May latency pero wala naman akong alam dun kaya dibale na. hehe!

[sakto2007]

Pwede na sa Deeco sa Raon AVR and Extension basta yung extension na bibilhin mo yung malaking guage na ng wire and at least 15A.

yep Christian. Local church here in Muntinlupa.

Maraming salamat sir! .. La pa sa akin ang equipments, pero sabi sa akin ng tech sa audiophile kulang ko na lang isang 31 band na EQ para ok na ok na daw ang tunog.. 

[sakto2007]

Sir, okay ba ung 31 band eq na behringer mo? magkano? 

[sikyo]

Got Peavey PV-20 16-ch mixer with onboard so-so efx , behringer 31-band eq, dbx comp/limiter/gate. I use the eq's onboard crossover and with a behringer Mic100 pre-amp as volume control.The mixer does not really have a mid-sweep pero nakukuha ko naman yung mid through the EQ and the compresso/limiter.

Before buying the Peavey mixer, I lined it up with Soundcraft MFX, EFX, and Samson. Samson lost the fight big time due to very low headroom. Both MFX and EFX won, well, they're Soundcraft after all.

I chose Peavey for the following reasons:

1. More affordable (already 16 channels) at 26k.
2. Has pwede-na headroom.
3. Way better than Behringer.

I tested the mixers using SM58 at audiophile in Robinsons Pioneer. Very obvious ang difference ng headrooms ng mixers using that mic. No wonder it’s every live performer’s favourite.  Walang ibang equipment na ginamit sa test; mixer to powered speaker lang (JBL EON). Soundcraft ruled the entire test. Hehe!

Pagdating sa church, ni-setup ko na lahat pero mga gamit ko mic mga behringers and wharfedales lang. Without the compressor and EQ, ngo-ngo talaga ang mga mics nay un. So I tried our old PG-48 and it worked kinda better. Kaya ginamit ko compressor and EQ to treat the sound. I’m no pro kaya it took me 3 weekends to finally tame the sound. Right now satisfied ako sa tunog.

Maganda din sa PV-20 is yung USB port nya for direct recording to my Audacity. Pwede na pang-live recording and music playing. May latency pero wala naman akong alam dun kaya dibale na. hehe!

thanks for the share, sir. i've no experience with other brands but allow me to share our setup: 6 Shure SM58's hooked on Soundcraft EFX 12 to Crown Xs900 power amp out to Beta 3 U15's (2 per side), very clean ng sound. GASsing  for a pair of subs and a DRPA+ for improvement. age of our SM58's range from 13 to 20 years na, all still sounding good as new. +1 sa SM58, wala pa akong kakilala na nagsisi sa ORIG na Shure SM58!





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[sakto2007]

Sir mga magkano ba ang 31band na EQ? 

[aquaracer168]

may dbx dual 31 band EQ nasa 12k ++