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« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2006, 05:05:13 PM »
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« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2006, 05:11:31 PM »
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Pano naman kung brand new ang labanan?


Uh oh.  Oasgomez, care to comment?  :lol:

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« Reply #27 on: August 14, 2006, 01:08:44 AM »
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Pano naman kung brand new ang labanan?


Uh oh.  <SNIP> :lol:


My point is, pano naman yung mga walang access sa 2nd hand? Atsaka, san nakukuha yung mga 2nd hand prices? Dito sa forum, sa kakilala, sa dyaryo or what? May dedicated 2nd hand store/pawnshop na ba dyan? Meron na bang used instrument blue book na available dyan?

Syempre, hindi naman standard yung pinakamababang presyo na naka-post sa Buy and Sell Forum, eh. Buyers na ba ang nagdi-dictate ng presyo? Kawawa naman yung mga nagbebenta ng gamit, di na nila makukuha yung presyong gusto nila.

Lastly, very individual ang merits ng used instruemnts. Hindi porke't may nakabili ng magandang MIJ strat for P15,000, e lahat ng available P15,000 MIJ strats maganda. Same with efx and amps. Hindi pa taken into consideration yung condition at hidden defects.

Take a break from daydreaming and step into reality for a little while.

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« Reply #28 on: August 14, 2006, 01:23:43 AM »
well kung brand new lang din ang labanan...

i'd buy an ibanez GAX70 (yung mukhang SG) for 9k (rounded off)
a new ts-9 for 6k
and an all-tube laney LC-15R at 15k

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« Reply #29 on: August 14, 2006, 01:33:53 AM »
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Quote from: Perf_De_Castro
Pano naman kung brand new ang labanan?


Uh oh.  <SNIP> :lol:


My point is, pano naman yung mga walang access sa 2nd hand? Atsaka, san nakukuha yung mga 2nd hand prices? Dito sa forum, sa kakilala, sa dyaryo or what? May dedicated 2nd hand store/pawnshop na ba dyan? Meron na bang used instrument blue book na available dyan?

Syempre, hindi naman standard yung pinakamababang presyo na naka-post sa Buy and Sell Forum, eh. Buyers na ba ang nagdi-dictate ng presyo? Kawawa naman yung mga nagbebenta ng gamit, di na nila makukuha yung presyong gusto nila.

Lastly, very individual ang merits ng used instruemnts. Hindi porke't may nakabili ng magandang MIJ strat for P15,000, e lahat ng available P15,000 MIJ strats maganda. Same with efx and amps. Hindi pa taken into consideration yung condition at hidden defects.

Take a break from daydreaming and step into reality for a little while.


Sir Perf, while most Pinoys are barat in nature, the prices I see here so far are accurate.  Just take a look at the Buy and Sell section.  But then you're right: Sellers must be the dictating the price, hence we're posing a gray area here in terms of pricing.  

Anyway, kung access sa 2nd hand, ermmm.  Malakas ang second-hand market dito kasi karamihan ng brand new sa stores ngayon ay olats. Example:  I can get a Silverface Twin Reverb for 15k, and have a retube for say 4k = 19k.  But if I were to spend that in Yupangco or JB, the best that I can get would be at most a solidstate amp, not even the best one.


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« Reply #30 on: August 14, 2006, 01:54:41 AM »
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Anyway, kung access sa 2nd hand, ermmm.  Malakas ang second-hand market dito kasi karamihan ng brand new sa stores ngayon ay olats. Example:  I can get a Silverface Twin Reverb for 15k, and have a retube for say 4k = 19k.  But if I were to spend that in Yupangco or JB, the best that I can get would be at most a solidstate amp, not even the best one.


Well, not really. Pano yung mga baguhan pa lang? Walang alam sa condition ng gamit? Kahit naman nung dati pa hindi ganun ka-accessible ang 2nd hand gear, not unless medyo malaki na yung ginagalawan mong circle/network of musicians.

And besides, how can you recommend buying 2nd hand when the stuff you most likely need never show up in the 2nd hand market when you need them? Nung naghanap ka ng boutique tube amp for $1500, may lumabas ba?

In line with availability, every week ba merong silverface twin reverb sa buy and sell at 15t? Tsaka yung 15t, price mo ba yun or price ng seller? Kung ikaw naman ang magbebenta ng gamit, papayag ka bang hindi ikaw ang magse-set ng price mo?

I'm not against buying 2nd hand, pero it's not a reliable source of gear. Ngayon itong thread na 'to, puno na ng advice to buy 2nd hand pero yung newbie na makakakita magtataka kung saan nakukuha yun, then kung makahanap man, most likely na magogoyo sila dahil di sila marunong tumingin. Balansehin natin yung thread na 'to by suggesting brand new gear within the same budget na readily available.


O sinimulan na ni kulas hehehe

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« Reply #31 on: August 14, 2006, 02:20:13 AM »
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Anyway, kung access sa 2nd hand, ermmm.  Malakas ang second-hand market dito kasi karamihan ng brand new sa stores ngayon ay olats. Example:  I can get a Silverface Twin Reverb for 15k, and have a retube for say 4k = 19k.  But if I were to spend that in Yupangco or JB, the best that I can get would be at most a solidstate amp, not even the best one.


Well, not really. Pano yung mga baguhan pa lang? Walang alam sa condition ng gamit? Kahit naman nung dati pa hindi ganun ka-accessible ang 2nd hand gear, not unless medyo malaki na yung ginagalawan mong circle/network of musicians.

And besides, how can you recommend buying 2nd hand when the stuff you most likely need never show up in the 2nd hand market when you need them? Nung naghanap ka ng boutique tube amp for $1500, may lumabas ba?

In line with availability, every week ba merong silverface twin reverb sa buy and sell at 15t? Tsaka yung 15t, price mo ba yun or price ng seller? Kung ikaw naman ang magbebenta ng gamit, papayag ka bang hindi ikaw ang magse-set ng price mo?

I'm not against buying 2nd hand, pero it's not a reliable source of gear. Ngayon itong thread na 'to, puno na ng advice to buy 2nd hand pero yung newbie na makakakita magtataka kung saan nakukuha yun, then kung makahanap man, most likely na magogoyo sila dahil di sila marunong tumingin. Balansehin natin yung thread na 'to by suggesting brand new gear within the same budget na readily available.


O sinimulan na ni kulas hehehe


OK point taken.  Pero kung brand new:

Sa musiciansfriend ako o-order at ipapadala sa uncle.  Tapos lahat ibabalikbayan box.  Eto:


Oscar Schmidt OE30 - $100 at Musician's Friend


Epiphone Valve Standard - $300.00 at Musician's Friend


Arion Tubulator - $20 at Musician's Friend


Dunlop Crybaby Fasel - $100 at Musician's Friend

*Surface shipping is free to my kamag-anak in CA

Balikbayan box - $65 (Gotta take the guitar's bolts out and use mega bubble wrap and foam)

So that would cost me $585 ~ PHP 30,000

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« Reply #32 on: August 14, 2006, 08:35:42 AM »
ZOMG!  :shock:

that's still not "likely" to happen for any of us skunky.

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« Reply #33 on: August 14, 2006, 09:06:47 AM »
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Anyway, kung access sa 2nd hand, ermmm.  Malakas ang second-hand market dito kasi karamihan ng brand new sa stores ngayon ay olats. Example:  I can get a Silverface Twin Reverb for 15k, and have a retube for say 4k = 19k.  But if I were to spend that in Yupangco or JB, the best that I can get would be at most a solidstate amp, not even the best one.


Well, not really. Pano yung mga baguhan pa lang? Walang alam sa condition ng gamit? Kahit naman nung dati pa hindi ganun ka-accessible ang 2nd hand gear, not unless medyo malaki na yung ginagalawan mong circle/network of musicians.

And besides, how can you recommend buying 2nd hand when the stuff you most likely need never show up in the 2nd hand market when you need them? Nung naghanap ka ng boutique tube amp for $1500, may lumabas ba?

In line with availability, every week ba merong silverface twin reverb sa buy and sell at 15t? Tsaka yung 15t, price mo ba yun or price ng seller? Kung ikaw naman ang magbebenta ng gamit, papayag ka bang hindi ikaw ang magse-set ng price mo?

I'm not against buying 2nd hand, pero it's not a reliable source of gear. Ngayon itong thread na 'to, puno na ng advice to buy 2nd hand pero yung newbie na makakakita magtataka kung saan nakukuha yun, then kung makahanap man, most likely na magogoyo sila dahil di sila marunong tumingin. Balansehin natin yung thread na 'to by suggesting brand new gear within the same budget na readily available.


O sinimulan na ni kulas hehehe


The hurdles and roadblocks one typically faces when buying in the 2nd hand market are lack of availability/stock, pricing, condition of the instruments, poor aftersales service/repairs, newbies hindi marunong tumingin, etc. Unfortunately, sa totoo lang, these are the exactly same problems that one faces when buying brand new retail in Manila. The "satisfaction gap" is not as wide as it is elsewhere in the world. Hirap talaga ang musikerong pinoy, specially the discerning types.

From what I've seen of the major retailers, there's only one who even tries to keep a decent stock of their brands' models, regularly puts out reasonable pricing, attempts to keep stock in good general condition, carries both original and more economical spare/upgrade parts, and explains the technical features of their gear to customers who ask -- I think you know who I mean. But you are then limited to Ibanez, Peavey, Laney, Digitech, Duncan, DiMarzio, Premier, Toca, etc -- just the brands they carry. So limitado ka rin.

In a nutshell, it's pretty much an even crapshoot shopping in the 2nd hand market and at retail shops in and around Manila.  :?

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« Reply #34 on: August 14, 2006, 09:22:19 AM »
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I'm not against buying 2nd hand, pero it's not a reliable source of gear. Ngayon itong thread na 'to, puno na ng advice to buy 2nd hand pero yung newbie na makakakita magtataka kung saan nakukuha yun, then kung makahanap man, most likely na magogoyo sila dahil di sila marunong tumingin. Balansehin natin yung thread na 'to by suggesting brand new gear within the same budget na readily available.


+1

30k is big kung 2nd hand gears ang pagbabasehan and wala ng challenge pag ganun.

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« Reply #35 on: August 14, 2006, 09:55:11 AM »
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I'm not against buying 2nd hand, pero it's not a reliable source of gear. Ngayon itong thread na 'to, puno na ng advice to buy 2nd hand pero yung newbie na makakakita magtataka kung saan nakukuha yun, then kung makahanap man, most likely na magogoyo sila dahil di sila marunong tumingin. Balansehin natin yung thread na 'to by suggesting brand new gear within the same budget na readily available.


+1

30k is big kung 2nd hand gears ang pagbabasehan and wala ng challenge pag ganun.


30K is a lot of money, but i don't think it's enough for a rig that you can be totally happy with :?

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« Reply #36 on: August 14, 2006, 10:00:25 AM »
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I'm not against buying 2nd hand, pero it's not a reliable source of gear. Ngayon itong thread na 'to, puno na ng advice to buy 2nd hand pero yung newbie na makakakita magtataka kung saan nakukuha yun, then kung makahanap man, most likely na magogoyo sila dahil di sila marunong tumingin. Balansehin natin yung thread na 'to by suggesting brand new gear within the same budget na readily available.


hmmm i agree with this a bit.. but not totally.

even if you go to a shop, you'll also get a lot of BS and probably end up getting "goyo" as well.

so either way, do your research before buying anything. personally, i'll still buy used gear whenever i can. YMMV :mrgreen:

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« Reply #37 on: August 14, 2006, 10:10:58 AM »
Sali ako... :lol:

Ibanez RG321 -15k
Peavey Envoy- 10k  
Digitech Screaming Blues- 3k- 3.5k?
Guitar tuner- 1.5k

Ayun..Sakto!  :lol:
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« Reply #38 on: August 14, 2006, 10:11:57 AM »
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I'm not against buying 2nd hand, pero it's not a reliable source of gear. Ngayon itong thread na 'to, puno na ng advice to buy 2nd hand pero yung newbie na makakakita magtataka kung saan nakukuha yun, then kung makahanap man, most likely na magogoyo sila dahil di sila marunong tumingin. Balansehin natin yung thread na 'to by suggesting brand new gear within the same budget na readily available.


hmmm i agree with this a bit.. but not totally.

even if you go to a shop, you'll also get a lot of BS and probably end up getting "goyo" as well.

so either way, do your research before buying anything. personally, i'll still buy used gear whenever i can. YMMV :mrgreen:


well, mahirap na talaga makakuha ng "honest to goodness" na service ngayon eh, hard times man. retailers gotta sell, buy and sellers gotta sell. may it be second hand or brand new eh the "goyo" factor is inevitable. suggestion ko eh it's really helpful to be informed. before buying something, try to do a research on it. super convenient naman may info websites jan. so you can find out, ah ganito pala yung mga specs nya sa model na yan, or so that you know what to look for in buying a guitar, etc. etc. madaming gems jan sa buyandsell portion and sa mga retail shops. pero there are as many lemons as there are gems. so yun, just my 2 cents.  :wink:

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« Reply #39 on: August 14, 2006, 10:43:55 AM »
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 Hirap talaga ang musikerong pinoy, specially the discerning types.


Well, the so-called "discerning" types surely have more than Php30,000.00 to spend and syempre may means na rin para makabili wherever they want.

Reminds me of you ;) heheheh

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« Reply #40 on: August 14, 2006, 10:45:06 AM »
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I'm not against buying 2nd hand, pero it's not a reliable source of gear. Ngayon itong thread na 'to, puno na ng advice to buy 2nd hand pero yung newbie na makakakita magtataka kung saan nakukuha yun, then kung makahanap man, most likely na magogoyo sila dahil di sila marunong tumingin. Balansehin natin yung thread na 'to by suggesting brand new gear within the same budget na readily available.


hmmm i agree with this a bit.. but not totally.

even if you go to a shop, you'll also get a lot of BS and probably end up getting "goyo" as well.

so either way, do your research before buying anything. personally, i'll still buy used gear whenever i can. YMMV :mrgreen:


Well, kaya nga andito tong thread na 'to, di ba? Resource material ;)

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« Reply #41 on: August 14, 2006, 10:55:55 AM »
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I'm not against buying 2nd hand, pero it's not a reliable source of gear. Ngayon itong thread na 'to, puno na ng advice to buy 2nd hand pero yung newbie na makakakita magtataka kung saan nakukuha yun, then kung makahanap man, most likely na magogoyo sila dahil di sila marunong tumingin. Balansehin natin yung thread na 'to by suggesting brand new gear within the same budget na readily available.


+1

30k is big kung 2nd hand gears ang pagbabasehan and wala ng challenge pag ganun.


 :?: Ang hirap kaya.  To tell you honestly even if you had a P100,000 budget, you will still be confused if you'll get a huge pile of crap vs. getting a few good gear.

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« Reply #42 on: August 14, 2006, 11:15:34 AM »
I dont know how to budget the 30k but my 2 cents - any good versatile rig starts with a nice strat. (thats really weird though coming from me being a les paul player ahahha)  :lol:

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« Reply #43 on: August 14, 2006, 11:27:56 AM »
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I'm not against buying 2nd hand, pero it's not a reliable source of gear. Ngayon itong thread na 'to, puno na ng advice to buy 2nd hand pero yung newbie na makakakita magtataka kung saan nakukuha yun, then kung makahanap man, most likely na magogoyo sila dahil di sila marunong tumingin. Balansehin natin yung thread na 'to by suggesting brand new gear within the same budget na readily available.


hmmm i agree with this a bit.. but not totally.

even if you go to a shop, you'll also get a lot of BS and probably end up getting "goyo" as well.

so either way, do your research before buying anything. personally, i'll still buy used gear whenever i can. YMMV :mrgreen:


Well, kaya nga andito tong thread na 'to, di ba? Resource material ;)


that's what i meant, know what you're buying by doing your HW.

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« Reply #44 on: August 14, 2006, 01:19:57 PM »
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 Hirap talaga ang musikerong pinoy, specially the discerning types.


Well, the so-called "discerning" types surely have more than Php30,000.00 to spend and syempre may means na rin para makabili wherever they want.

Reminds me of you ;) heheheh


Hahaha -- sira ka talaga! Actually it's not really an issue of having money to blow. It is an issue of how anal, observant, and studious a person is, and having the opportunity to play, test, and hear as much gear as you can -- other players' stuff, the things hanging in a store, answering buy and sell ads, your uncle's guitar hiding in the closet, etc... Just an issue of being curious enough, having the cojones to "ask to try" without being obnoxious, and doing your homework.

I know someone who, on accasion, walks into music stores with a small kitchen scale and a pocket ruler....  :lol:

But seriously, some of the best buys out there are 2nd hand. Just an issue of tracking these things down singlemindedly, and comparing them to what you see in the retail shops.

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« Reply #45 on: August 14, 2006, 01:34:15 PM »
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I know someone who, on accasion, walks into music stores with a small kitchen scale and a pocket ruler....  :lol:


hehe, pinagtatawanan natin yan pero malamang pag bumili siya, sure shot! 8 lbs lp?  4 lbs strat? heheh

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« Reply #47 on: August 14, 2006, 05:23:16 PM »
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I know someone who, on accasion, walks into music stores with a small kitchen scale and a pocket ruler....  :lol:


hehe, pinagtatawanan natin yan pero malamang pag bumili siya, sure shot! 8 lbs lp?  4 lbs strat? heheh


Di ko pinagtatawanan yun dahil ako ang nagrecommend sa kanya na magdala ng scale at ruler!!!  :lol: At totoo -- lahat ng binibili niya sure shot talaga. Last purchase niya: a 6.5 lb. tele. Ayos!

But that's really what I mean by doing one's homework. And it costs nothing to do that to find out how things measure up against whatever is on the market. There's no monopoly on intelligence, curiosity, and knowledge. And with the net and all its forums, guitar sites, gear reviews, and the generosity/willingness of people to share information, there's little excuse for getting "goyo" anymore.

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« Reply #48 on: August 14, 2006, 06:38:50 PM »
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I know someone who, on accasion, walks into music stores with a small kitchen scale and a pocket ruler....  :lol:


hehe, pinagtatawanan natin yan pero malamang pag bumili siya, sure shot! 8 lbs lp?  4 lbs strat? heheh


Di ko pinagtatawanan yun dahil ako ang nagrecommend sa kanya na magdala ng scale at ruler!!!  :lol: At totoo -- lahat ng binibili niya sure shot talaga. Last purchase niya: a 6.5 lb. tele. Ayos!

But that's really what I mean by doing one's homework. And it costs nothing to do that to find out how things measure up against whatever is on the market. There's no monopoly on intelligence, curiosity, and knowledge. And with the net and all its forums, guitar sites, gear reviews, and the generosity/willingness of people to share information, there's little excuse for getting "goyo" anymore.


You know, bring a human weighing scale instead.  Weigh yourseld with the guitar MINUS your weight.  At least di ka masyadong mukhang [chewbacca] kesa sa kitchen scale.

BTW, if you're referring to the same guy I know, does he also bring a multitester when buying pickups?   Measures DC resistance kasi.  8K for a PAF DAPAT.  :lol:

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« Reply #49 on: August 14, 2006, 07:02:31 PM »
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I dont know how to budget the 30k but my 2 cents - any good versatile rig starts with a nice strat. (thats really weird though coming from me being a les paul player ahahha)  :lol:


What Strat?  An MIA would make you overbudget.   :lol: