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« on: December 21, 2002, 07:47:23 AM »
i stumbled upon this article in one of the other forums i was browsing. just wanna share it here. oh and by the way, i'm disgusted with avril...

Avril Lavigne: Rising Star or Rising *******?
 Written by Jessica Zietz

Avril Lavigne. Just seeing the name sends a trickle of pure disgust down my spine. Why, you ask? I mean, her songs are so deep! Her clothes are so cute! She doesn't care what anyone thinks of her! She's like, totally punk rawk! Well, my little brainwashed ones, I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree. Let's see...where shall we start?

Avril Lavigne is a pop singer feeding off of the new punk trend. Apparently, she (along with all her fans) missed the bulletin notifying those of us whose minds aren't quite as impressionable that dressing in every article of clothing ever put out by Hot Topic does not make you punk. Clothing should not define a musician's style. Rather (and here's a real challenging idea for you), their MUSIC should. Yet, the brainless youth of America continues to eat it up, as they do with anything and everything they're spoon-fed by the media, top 40 radio, and the sadistic, brainwashing, greedy trend
whores better known as MTV executives.

In a recent magazine article, Avril proclaimed, "I don't write 'Oh-baby-baby' songs. I'm a skater punk who writes guitar driven rock." Yet one listen of the record proves otherwise. It is an album of mostly slower, pop-rock tunes that would have felt at home on Mandy Moore's latest record. Avril can't seem to understand that, as much as she tries to give off a different image with what she wears, she is a POP singer. Uh-oh, here comes the retort from angry Avril worshippers.

"She's not pop! She's rock! And she writes songs and plays guitar!"

Calm yourselves, kiddies. This attack has only just begun. Stay with me as I dissect Avril's music, image, fakeness, and hypocrisy.

Annoyance #1: Avril the Songwriter

In J-14's August issue, Avril explained her songwriting process. "Once I sit down with the guitar, I write about what I'm feeling that day." However, in the July 1st edition of Time Magazine, Ms. Lavigne admitted, "I sit down with a guitar player usually."

A guitar player. As in someone who is not her playing the guitar. Which is it, Avril? Furthermore, a look at the songwriting credits on her CD will reveal that each song was cowritten with a multitude of professional songwriters. Anyone can spit out a couple rhyming sentences, maybe even a melody here or there, when they're being guided by experts. (Britney Spears did it- is it necessary for me to say much more?) One can't help but wonder just how much of those songs was written by Avril. Yet, in that same J-14 article, she claimed, "I wrote all those songs when I was sixteen." The credits tell otherwise, and somehow I'm not buying the Avril-did-it-all version of the story.

Don't get too angry just yet. There's nothing wrong with receiving some help writing songs. However, Avril is being touted as some guitar-playing, songwriting prodigy when, in reality, she's not the only force behind those tracks. But that's what sells, so I guess that makes it alright to lie, exaggerate, and present yourself as some virtuoso.

Annoyance #2: Avril the Guitar Player

It's pretty impossible to read an article on Avril Lavigne that doesn't mention Michelle Branch. In fact, a recent article in YM stated, "She rocks harder on the guitar than Michelle Branch." Remember that trickle of disgust flowing down my spine? There it is again. You see, Michelle Branch got her big break when she opened up for Hanson- just her, a guitar, and some undeniable raw talent. When performing, be it for TV, a live concert, a radio show, whatever- she always plays her guitar.

That's not the case with Lavigne. In numerous pictures of the singer (and I stress singer, not musician) performing, as well as the television appearances I've seen, Avril merely sings. In her acoustic sessions with AOL, she sang while a member of her band strummed along on acoustic guitar. Any half-decent musician who constantly states that she plays guitar would have proven herself then and there. A CDNow.com article reviewing a recent Avril performance mentioned that she strapped on the guitar for one song, claiming, "I suck." If someone like Britney Spears or Mandy Moore, who call themselves singers/entertainers and not musicians, played guitar for one song during a concert, I'd be impressed. Yet Avril constantly talks about how she plays guitar... why wouldn't she play it live? There's simply no excuse. And playing the few chords that she does know does not constitute a true musician. Furthermore, a look at the album credits show that Avril played guitar for only ONE song. Now that's a real guitar player.

Annoyance #3: Avril the Lyricist

"I never spend less than an hour
Washin' my hair in the shower
It always takes five hours to make it straight
So I'll braid it in a zillion braids
Though it may take a friggin' day
There's nothin' else better to do anyway."
- "My World"

That's uh...deep.

"He was a boy, she was a girl
Can I make it any more obvious?"

Well, you sure as hell couldn't make it any more juvenile.

"He's just a boy, and I'm just a girl
Can I make it anymore obvious?
We are in love, haven't you heard, how we rock each other's world?
I'm with the sk8er boi, I said see you later boy
I'll be backstage after the show
I'll be at the studio singing the song we wrote
About a girl you used to know."
- "Sk8er Boi"

First of all, the fact that it's spelled like that is enough to make me vomit all over myself. I thought no one over the age of thirteen wrote a sentence that looked like, "U R 2 Kewl 2 B 4 GOT N." Second, the lyrics are flat out ridiculous. Boy meets girl, girl is too good for boy, boy becomes big star, girl regrets it, boy meets Avril, boy and Avril live happily ever after. My imaginary nine year old sister could have penned better lyrics.

"Went back home again
This sucks, gotta pack up and leave again
Say goodbye to all my friends
Can't say when I'll be there again
It's time now
I turn around
Turn my back on everything"
- "Mobile"

Well, cry her a f*cking river. Avril, darling, you chose that lifestyle. You chose to drop out of high school, move to LA, and pursue your career. Deal with the consequences.

"I'm feeling nervous
Trying to be so perfect
Cause I know you're worth it
You're worth it
Yeah
La da da da La da da da"
- "Things I'll Never Say"

No "Oh baby baby" songs? There's nothing wrong with a love song or two. Yet she disses them every chance she gets...and goes and sings lines that are just as mushy. For example, also found in "Things I'll Never Say":

"If I could say what I want to say
I’d say I want to blow you away
Be with you every night
Am I squeezing you too tight?
If I could say what I want to see
I want to see you go down
On one knee
Marry me today"

At least Britney never proposed marriage.

Oh, and here's a bright idea for Avril to prove how punk she is. Let's have her RAP in a song. Because, ya know, most punk bands always include a rap bit or two in their songs. Here's an excerpt from "Nobody's Fool," also known as Avril's audition for Cash Money Millionaires.

"I'm not the milk and Cheerios in your spoon,
It's not a simple here we go not so soon,
I might have fallen for that when I was 14
And a little more green."

That inconceivably ridiculous first line speaks for itself. The second makes no sense whatsoever, I've no qualms with the third, and the fourth...Avril, the writing is lacking. Perhaps you shouldn't have been so quick to drop out.

"If you're trying to turn me into someone else
It's easy to see I'm not down with that
I'm not nobody's fool."

Could've fooled me. (Yes, I crack myself up.)



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« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2002, 07:48:34 AM »
Annoyance #4: Avril the Wannabe Punk Rocker

"When it is suggested that even then her tastes were kind of pop-oriented, her head snaps up as though she's been slapped. 'New country,' she says, as though pop music is somehow less cool than new country. Then again, it seems any music is better than pop music in Lavigne's eyes. Later, when it is mentioned that she seems poised for pop stardom, she is quick to correct. 'No, no, no. Rock stardom,' she says forcefully. 'I don't like using the term pop star because that's not my personality. My personality is like a rock star. I'm hardcore.'" (Taken from Nationalpost.com.)

Rock star? Hardcore? Anything but pop? Keep dreaming, Avril. Take one listen to that CD- it's pure pop with a tinge of rock here and there. A song doesn't need slick Neptunes production for it to be radio-friendly pop song that appeals to bubblegum music lovers. And the upbeat track "Naked" is undeniably, well, poppy.

And don't think I'm too evil. I can admit when a song of hers is good. In researching for this article, I downloaded them all. I think "Too Much To Ask" is a pretty good song and "Complicated" consistently gets stuck in my head. However, they're being sung by someone who's always claiming to be one thing, then singing music that's all the opposite. And isn't that what she vents about in "Complicated" anyway? Which leads me to...

Annoyance #5: Avril the Hypocrite

"You're trying to be cool/You look like a fool to me."

The single making Avril famous, "Complicated," is a song about someone who changes their looks and personality to impress other people. Yet, in the video, Avril and crew are trashing the mall and causing all kinds of problems. Avril the rebel even smashes her guitar at the end of the video. (What a shame, it was just like new, seeing as how she strums it maybe 3 times throughout the entire song.) She tries to come off as this too-cool-for-school ***** with an attitude while she whines about someone who's doing the same thing to her. There's a word for that. I believe it's called hypocrisy.

She's a constant contradiction. She skateboards in the video, poses for publicity shots with the board, tells YM magazine that she's good at it...Yet, in an interview with MTV, she discussed how the director of the "Complicated" video wanted her to skate in it. Ms. Tony Hawk protested, "No, dude, I suck!" Make up your mind, Avril.

Moreover, she recently told Elle Girl, "Today, I rejected some gorgeous publicity shots because they just didn't look like me. I won't wear skanky clothes that show off my booty, my belly, or boobs. I have a great body. I could be Britney. I could be better than Britney."

No one could be Britney. I'm not a huge fan of hers, but her popularity and success are mind-blowing. For Avril to arrogantly declare that she could do even better than one of the most successful teen pop artists ever is ludicrous (and a bit too cocky for my liking). And if she's so against posing in slutty clothes, why didn't she throw in some of that bitchy attitude she seems so proud of and refuse to wear the outfits to begin with? The story simply isn't adding up.


Annoyance #6: Avril the Packaged Product

Unless you're living in Tanzania, you've probably noticed that punk music is edging back into the mainstream. The demand for Britney and NSYNC is down and this means less money for the music execs who buy their Porsches and mansions with money made from teen stars. Time for a new plan. It amazes me that so few people see through this. Avril is dressed in Dickies, ties, studded jewelery, Chuck Taylors- most of which isn't usually worn by the pop fans. Furthermore, she's being hyped up as the songwriter/guitarist that I attacked earlier. She calls herself a skater punk, categorizes her music as rock and punk, poses in pictures with a skateboard...yet her music is anything but what such fashion would suggest. Being punk does not come from wearing the right thing. However the image is helping her to sell more records because it's what's popular now. One look through any teen magazine will reveal models dressed in clothing just like hers.

And let's not forget the fake tattoos she wears on her arms. Cause that's like, ya know, sooo totally hardcore. Let me go draw a big skull and crossbones on my arm so that I can be punk too. Please.

Yet another thing adding to her image that sells so well- upon visit to her official website, "Sk8er Boi," the only remotely faster rock song on the album, begins blaring. Obviously, they want the visitors to form an impression of Avril's music based on that song, when in reality, the rest of the album simply doesn't sound like that.

Avril Lavigne just seems fake, plain and simple. She tries to pull off this tormented, wounded puppy look in the "Complicated" video. She emphasizes her songwriting and guitar playing, yet had numerous songwriters work on her album, while the guitar is rarely strapped around her body when the music is live.

A member of an Anti-Avril community on Live Journal pointed out, "And if she takes all this time trying to label all of her music, she probably isn't what she says she is, cause she has to prove everything through her clothes. Your personality should come from the music you create, and if you are that pathetic to keep on classifying it, might as well forget it." Well done. I couldn't have said it better myself.

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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2002, 09:07:09 AM »
wag nyo nman masyadong laitin c avril lavigne,taga-d2 yan eh.



i'm sure nagustuhan nyo din ung song nilang "complicated" kahit papano.....



hindi nman sya punk eh ang layo-layo nya sa punk...



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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2002, 10:18:54 AM »
Alanis Morissette's Jagged Little Pill was roundly dissed as well when it first came out. I think she's gained a little more depth since then though.

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« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2002, 01:28:04 AM »
i've only heard a couple of her songs and they're all horrible. also, i heard a live cover of chop suey! and she murdered that song. i know she's not punk, she's nowhere near being punk. but it's her fault most of the "true" punks hate her because she's said she's a "skater punk". eh... *confused*


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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2003, 06:27:25 AM »
holy [gooey brown stuff] sumones angry... anyway she's a POP STAR...nothing more noting less. evry move is calculated...her only purpose is to make money for her record label. we all know that the music business is a dirty one...people would do things to MAKE it like lie or lipsync or whatever.. perfect example Vanilla Ice!!!
It makes me angry that this is the way that its done ,and im hoping that all of these would change and maybe REAL artist will emerge...i hate to say this but Avril will be here for awhile..

And i thought her chop suey cover is pretty horrendous..but i dont think she was actually serious when she did it, she didnt even know the words blah! she's pretty cute though

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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2003, 07:08:45 AM »
...milli vannilli---lahat ng songs lypsync ..heheheh..
"St. Anger 'round my neck.He never gets respect.
F*ck it all & f*ckin' no regrets
I hit the lights on these dark sets. Medallion Noose,I hang myself. St. Anger 'round my neck.  I feel my world shake like an ea

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« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2003, 06:31:08 AM »
She is a puppet pop icon
Ive watched an interview she did.
and she was totaly lost on what to say, she's just a kid and nothing is "complicated" about it.
She was answering questions with a blank face and an "UMM..."
She doesnt even write any of the songs.
Do you think a 18 year old from the a town in ONtario Canada knows whats its like to have a complicated life?
Avril is a Sub-urban child
she is not wise enough to know the trials and tribulations that life brings a person.  She can sing about it....thats all.

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« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2003, 08:21:42 AM »
watch juno awards on april 6 hosted by shanian twain...
"St. Anger 'round my neck.He never gets respect.
F*ck it all & f*ckin' no regrets
I hit the lights on these dark sets. Medallion Noose,I hang myself. St. Anger 'round my neck.  I feel my world shake like an ea

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« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2003, 09:15:38 AM »
....Avril alwayz say "SHE'S a ROCK CHICK"!

is she Canadian?!

lol
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« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2003, 05:10:14 PM »
yup, she's Canadian....
Smile!!! God Loves you!!!

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« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2003, 09:25:45 PM »
oh boy, another avril-bashing thread! she's obviously pop. i just wish she'd admit it already, instead of pretending to be punk.
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« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2003, 10:55:20 AM »
YEAh SAd to say that canada produces such crap

Although our independent band scene is very good.
emm gryner is one of many here.

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« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2003, 02:06:26 PM »
haha this article says it all. oh i feel you pilya. avril sucks. shes a pop star with this "i hate life" punk image when she has grown up the complete opposite in a hardcore christian household where she was never allowed to cuss and sang country songs.
i recently read a rolling stones article on her and my disgust grew when she admitted she didnt even kno who david bowie is. her band is now "teaching" her the roots of punk and rock and roll. i hope the US crowd get over this overrated wannabe soon!
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« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2003, 01:39:00 PM »
she's a phoney..
i can't see anything punk in her..

trying hard kid.. i pity her
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« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2003, 04:50:42 PM »
apparently, her obession of being a poser will lead to her own demise soon...

i just hope that it's happening NOW...
men, ano ba english ng tabo?

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PUNK THIS PUNK THAT: Why Avril Lavigne Is The Punkest Of You
« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2003, 07:23:00 AM »
AVril is the punkest of you all..simply because at a time like these when punk itself has manage d to meld itself into mainstream culture..the punkest thing to do woul dbe to mock it..hell! when will we ever learn..punk is just a word everybody else tries to exploit to their own advantage..well, it began as a revolution, and they gave it a name : PUNK but time went on and punk mutated into something else...something like a marketing plan..its always easy to hide in th guise of punk especially if one has not  critical enough to face the reality of a screwed up world...punks today are like the elvis impersonators..they are trying their best to live and base their lives on what WAS...its the past, man! hell, if punk was about all that they say it is then why try...why are all these so called punks trying so hard to be as punk as they can be? even the Sex Pistols during their last tour was mocking themselves about how everything turned out tobe...its all this "im punker than thou" attitude thats really sickening..like there is some sort of mutual rules..**** the rules! so avril, whether she is aware of it or not is doing the punkest thing because basically she now revolves in a society that sees punk as a very successful marketing tool and she is trying to give all those punks an in your face reality check..what makes you different from every other punk? and she doesnt care what you people say....she's like "well, too bad you're not punk enough to break out from punk itself..." talk about walking out from acage only to walk in into another one...

i dont wanna contradict myself here by saying too much but its really funny that everywhere you look now you see traces of punk everywher..like its some kinda virus..punk used to be about rebellion..it was for people who never fit in the "in-crowd"..now puank has become the "in-crowd"

anyways the point was that in punk rock there was a point but along the way we  lost it and if some of you are as open-minded as some punks say they are then you should be smart enough to admit that punk was only a word used to describe something...but there is no real PUNK..whether its The Exploited, The Sex Pistols, dead Kennedys, etc.....it or the Ramones...its all music man...ROCK AND ROLL!
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« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2003, 12:29:34 PM »
well of course avril is the punkest of all of us. she wears ties with every outfit, caked on eye make-up, fake tattoos and arm-socks, and not to mention that very angry expression. And im sure she could care less what we’re saying, but if I was banking millions of dollars of an image, hell, so would I…

Punk has certainly evolved through the years since the early 1970's till the era of the Sex Pistols where they brought punk music into the mainstream. And like several musical GENRES, like hip hop (the debatable Neptunes or even P.Diddy), it has lost its way in some aspects in terms of it being commercialized. Not to mention the “punk” image being skanked out like Halloween costumes.

The prostitution of the Punk IMAGE (or any image) is inevitable in a society where people are seeking to be innovative and different and I agree it can be quite “sickening”. The Punk CULTURE may have lost its way in the mainstream, but Punk MUSIC will always have a history, and punk fans would be well aware of its roots. And although Punk can also be “a word used to describe something” it is among other things. I hate to think after decades of existence that it is only one thing, which is narrow minded in itself. Punk Rock provides an alternative sound to express activism with aggressive and angry messages to say the least. There is history and legends behind it.

And Avril Lavigne is that lost path. She is a young pop "star" with a unique (I don’t know about now) but stolen look that the music industry capitalized on. The article provides most of the reasons that I don’t need to repeat. Your quote itself states that ”music is … not a goddamn commodity.” And if people buy into the “successful marketing tool” that she so well exudes, then good for them, and her, and her management company. But for myself, I can see right through the façade.
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And I feel somebody somewhere is trying to breathe
Well you know what I mean It's a world gone crazy Keeps Woman in Chains It's under my skin but out of my hands I'll tear it apart but

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« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2003, 02:47:41 AM »
Wag kayong mag-away, she's not worth it.

Question: Do you guys really take her seriously?

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« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2005, 01:46:45 PM »
Well, personally I don't like Avril. I feel that she's jumping along with the "punk" genre when it went mainstream. Maybe it's better to do something different once Kelly Clarkson started doing the same thing. It could be worse, though. Just look at Rob Thomas now.
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« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2006, 03:45:23 PM »
jeje wawa naman c avril...pro ok na din...atleast mas may depth na xa ngaun...err is she dating that guy from Sum41? jeje OT...

though i have to agree her "poser image/pseudo punk princess act" aint gonna buy her some respect from "music fans"...really...she was i believe first packaged as a country artist...the mere thought gives me the shivers...::shudders::
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« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2006, 09:12:51 AM »


I would thoroughly & mercilessly violate her every orifice with every appendage I have.

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« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2006, 10:03:35 AM »
Having depth is beside the point. Whether she wrote her songs herself is beside the point. Whether she is "punk" is beside the point. (What's in punk that makes it so "sacred" to some people?) Pop stars tell lies all the time. And that's what she is, a pop star whether she admits to it or not. It's up to "them" to label her and it's up to you to decide if it's [gooey brown stuff] or not. Me, I like her. She looks like Taylor Rain. :twisted:

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« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2006, 09:50:06 PM »
Quote from: superlucky20
Pop stars tell lies all the time.

now isnt that just a classic violation po of the rules for an argument?  :lol:

i personally dont care about the looks or personality of the performer, im not a celebrity fangirl. im in for the music. some of her songs i like, some of em i dont (or dont care at all). that's it. ;)
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« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2006, 11:01:29 AM »
Quote from: pilya

Annoyance #2: Avril the Guitar Player

It's pretty impossible to read an article on Avril Lavigne that doesn't mention Michelle Branch. In fact, a recent article in YM stated, "She rocks harder on the guitar than Michelle Branch." Remember that trickle of disgust flowing down my spine? There it is again. You see, Michelle Branch got her big break when she opened up for Hanson- just her, a guitar, and some undeniable raw talent. When performing, be it for TV, a live concert, a radio show, whatever- she always plays her guitar.

That's not the case with Lavigne. In numerous pictures of the singer (and I stress singer, not musician) performing, as well as the television appearances I've seen, Avril merely sings. In her acoustic sessions with AOL, she sang while a member of her band strummed along on acoustic guitar. Any half-decent musician who constantly states that she plays guitar would have proven herself then and there. A CDNow.com article reviewing a recent Avril performance mentioned that she strapped on the guitar for one song, claiming, "I suck." If someone like Britney Spears or Mandy Moore, who call themselves singers/entertainers and not musicians, played guitar for one song during a concert, I'd be impressed. Yet Avril constantly talks about how she plays guitar... why wouldn't she play it live? There's simply no excuse. And playing the few chords that she does know does not constitute a true musician. Furthermore, a look at the album credits show that Avril played guitar for only ONE song. Now that's a real guitar player.


Actually, if you see the live music video for the acoustic version of "My Happy Ending", you'll find that Ms. Laveeeeen actually strums a few chords. Not exactly inspiring to rock virtuoso wannabes, but it's proof.