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Re: pistol
« Reply #100 on: April 18, 2012, 11:04:49 AM »
Sarap naman nyan :drool:

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« Reply #101 on: April 18, 2012, 03:42:34 PM »
sabi na nga ba't may ganitong thread din dito sa PM!  :-D

seriously, with the recent events happening in the compound where my wife and i live, i'm thinking of getting some protection for our home. 4 incidents na may pinapasok sa mga kapitbahay namin - with the last 2 done within a span of 5 days. we are going to form a home owners association soon and probably get a security guard but i still want to be assured that i can defend on my own if the need arises. my wife is pregnant and i don't want to take any chances.

why do you say that shotguns are the best for home protection? mga how much kaya ang budget for a basic shotgun? i'm actually looking into getting a pistol lang. siguro 9mm or .40 but nabasa ko dito na shotgun ang best for my purpose.

thanks in advance!  :)
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« Reply #102 on: April 18, 2012, 05:20:25 PM »
Because shotguns have a rather intimidating psychological factor to them. Just the sound of the fore-end being racked may well be enough to make one reconsider his motives, being at the receiving end of the barrel. Thus, totally avoiding a messy confrontation.

A close quarter combat usually happens around 10 - 15 feet of each other, it's perfect for that. The shorter the barrel the wider the spread of shots. It has a high stopping power and low penetration. Meaning, the ballistics could go through a person and stop at obstacles, such as a wall or furniture. This decreases the possibility of collateral damage to a person, such as a loved one, who is in the adjacent room. As in the case of a .45 ACP pistol, depending on the grain count of a full metal jacket ammo, the bullet could go through the assailant, through the adjacent wall, and still penetrate another person behind that wall.

Since the safety of your loved ones is paramount, do check out the Glaser Safety Slug. This ammo is designed to be used by sky marshals. The ammo could easily goes through a body producing large wounds while failing to pass through structural barriers. It's perfect for home defense.

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« Reply #103 on: April 18, 2012, 06:11:03 PM »
Because shotguns have a rather intimidating psychological factor to them. Just the sound of the fore-end being racked may well be enough to make one reconsider his motives, being at the receiving end of the barrel. Thus, totally avoiding a messy confrontation.

A close quarter combat usually happens around 10 - 15 feet of each other, it's perfect for that. The shorter the barrel the wider the spread of shots. It has a high stopping power and low penetration. Meaning, the ballistics could go through a person and stop at obstacles, such as a wall or furniture. This decreases the possibility of collateral damage to a person, such as a loved one, who is in the adjacent room. As in the case of a .45 ACP pistol, depending on the grain count of a full metal jacket ammo, the bullet could go through the assailant, through the adjacent wall, and still penetrate another person behind that wall.

Since the safety of your loved ones is paramount, do check out the Glaser Safety Slug. This ammo is designed to be used by sky marshals. The ammo could easily goes through a body producing large wounds while failing to pass through structural barriers. It's perfect for home defense.

thanks for the inputs, Bart! this is news to me. i thought that just because a gun is powerful, it will go through anything. i never thought that a .45 has more penetrating ability than a shotgun.
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« Reply #104 on: April 19, 2012, 02:10:47 AM »
thanks for the inputs, Bart! this is news to me. i thought that just because a gun is powerful, it will go through anything. i never thought that a .45 has more penetrating ability than a shotgun.


I used the full metal jacket (FMJ) as an example. This is the type of bullet that relatively retains its shape when fired. It could go through soft tissue easily and still has the energy to go through a structural barrier. For home defense, a jacketed hollow point (JHP) bullet is ideal. When it hits an object, the hollow tip will 'mushroom' and most of its energy will be dissipated. While it produces a small entry wound, the exit wound is much bigger and the damage to internal organs much greater. Therefore, greater stopping power.
I have handguns instead of shotguns because of my neck and shoulder injury. I would rather have a shotgun, though.
Trivia: Did you know that the Moro Rebellion of the Filipino-American War contributed to the design of the .45 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol)? The .38 ammo that they were using at the time was not sufficient to stop a Moro berserker, so they designed an ammo that had a significantly higher stopping power.


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« Reply #105 on: April 19, 2012, 09:04:46 AM »
I used the full metal jacket (FMJ) as an example. This is the type of bullet that relatively retains its shape when fired. It could go through soft tissue easily and still has the energy to go through a structural barrier. For home defense, a jacketed hollow point (JHP) bullet is ideal. When it hits an object, the hollow tip will 'mushroom' and most of its energy will be dissipated. While it produces a small entry wound, the exit wound is much bigger and the damage to internal organs much greater. Therefore, greater stopping power.
I have handguns instead of shotguns because of my neck and shoulder injury. I would rather have a shotgun, though.
Trivia: Did you know that the Moro Rebellion of the Filipino-American War contributed to the design of the .45 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol)? The .38 ammo that they were using at the time was not sufficient to stop a Moro berserker, so they designed an ammo that had a significantly higher stopping power.

watching CSI helps a bit. i can picture the bullets in my mind from what i watched. hehehe!

that's what my friends who are into guns say about the .38 and .45. a .38 can't stop a man gone berserk so it's better to get a .45. the downside is that its recoil is too strong. does a shotgun have powerful recoil? i haven't shot a gun in my life and i'm planning to visit firing ranges soon to try guns out for the experience before i purchase my own piece.
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« Reply #106 on: April 19, 2012, 12:54:58 PM »
watching CSI helps a bit. i can picture the bullets in my mind from what i watched. hehehe!

that's what my friends who are into guns say about the .38 and .45. a .38 can't stop a man gone berserk so it's better to get a .45. the downside is that its recoil is too strong. does a shotgun have powerful recoil? i haven't shot a gun in my life and i'm planning to visit firing ranges soon to try guns out for the experience before i purchase my own piece.

about sa recoil bro..constant practice sa range lang naman ang kailangan mo para ma-master mo ang FA mo..parang pag gigitara lang din yan eh..mag focus ka muna sa isang caliber,halimbawa 9mm o .45,para magamay agad..sa carry ammo,use JHP nalang.. :-D

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« Reply #107 on: April 19, 2012, 01:22:02 PM »
about sa recoil bro..constant practice sa range lang naman ang kailangan mo para ma-master mo ang FA mo..parang pag gigitara lang din yan eh..mag focus ka muna sa isang caliber,halimbawa 9mm o .45,para magamay agad..sa carry ammo,use JHP nalang.. :-D

thanks bro! yup lahat nakukuha sa practice.  :-D

mga magkano kaya ang price range ng basic shotgun?
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« Reply #108 on: April 19, 2012, 01:34:56 PM »
thanks bro! yup lahat nakukuha sa practice.  :-D

mga magkano kaya ang price range ng basic shotgun?


ang armscor less than 15k lang..plus license.. :-D

may nakita ako nagbebenta sa sulit ng armscor shotgun,9k lang plus license.. :-D

kung pang bahay lang,wag mo na i-modify..keep it stock lang..tapos pa-set mo lang sa gunsmith..hehehe..
« Last Edit: April 19, 2012, 01:36:53 PM by markLAKANDULA »

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« Reply #109 on: April 19, 2012, 01:35:25 PM »
Believe it or not, the more expensive, higher end shotguns have less recoil.  But like what was previously said, it's just a matter of getting comfortable with your gun. As the U.S. Marine's My Rifle Creed goes: "This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. My rifle, without me, is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless."  :-P

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« Reply #110 on: April 19, 2012, 01:41:44 PM »

ang armscor less than 15k lang..plus license.. :-D

may nakita ako nagbebenta sa sulit ng armscor shotgun,9k lang plus license.. :-D

kung pang bahay lang,wag mo na i-modify..keep it stock lang..tapos pa-set mo lang sa gunsmith..hehehe..

thanks bro! pag bumili ba ako sa dealer, sila na din ang maglalakad for my license or kailangan ko talaga ng personal appearance? hindi naman ako mag-apply for PTC eh.  :)

Believe it or not, the more expensive, higher end shotguns have less recoil.  But like what was previously said, it's just a matter of getting comfortable with your gun. As the U.S. Marine's My Rifle Creed goes: "This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. My rifle, without me, is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless."  :-P

the sooner i can get myself in a firing range, the better for me. parang GAS lang ito, start from basic.  :)
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« Reply #111 on: April 19, 2012, 01:55:40 PM »
Kung shotgun naman ang kukunin mo e talagang hindi mo kailangan ng PTC. Para kang Teminator nun.  :lol: J/K

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« Reply #112 on: April 19, 2012, 01:57:07 PM »
Kung shotgun naman ang kukunin mo e talagang hindi mo kailangan ng PTC. Para kang Teminator nun.  :lol: J/K

oo nga naman.  :lol: halatang beginner lang talaga.  :money:
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« Reply #113 on: April 19, 2012, 05:16:04 PM »
thanks bro! pag bumili ba ako sa dealer, sila na din ang maglalakad for my license or kailangan ko talaga ng personal appearance? hindi naman ako mag-apply for PTC eh.  :)

the sooner i can get myself in a firing range, the better for me. parang GAS lang ito, start from basic.  :)

pero kung ako sayo,kumuha ka na lang ng pistol at mag apply ka PTC para dun..para kahit asan ka dala mo,kung kukuha ka naman ng shotgun for home defense at wala ka rin dun at sau nakapangalan..di rin nila pwede gamitin un,kasong maliwanag un..kea da best pa din ang pistol,tapos hundreds of rounds sa range..better kung thousands para magamay mo ng husto..

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« Reply #114 on: April 19, 2012, 05:22:56 PM »
kung sino gusto mag firing dito pwede tayo sa tough guys cubao..member ako dun,para libre na range fee at discounted na ung bala na gagamitin nio.. :)

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« Reply #115 on: April 19, 2012, 09:16:04 PM »
set mo bro mark.... :)
sama ako...sa erod ito diba?

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« Reply #116 on: April 20, 2012, 12:42:07 AM »
set mo bro mark.... :)
sama ako...sa erod ito diba?

ndi papi..liberty street corner 5th street sa cubao..hehehe..taga san kaba tol?PM mo nalang sakin number mo..

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« Reply #117 on: April 20, 2012, 03:24:01 AM »
So dyan ba sa Pilipinas eh iba pa ang license at permit to carry? Kung pupunta kang gun range galing sa bahay, kailangan pa na may PTC? Ano ang sakop ng PTC? Kung papunta ka sa range at may errand in between na kailangan mong gawin, kailangan bang iwan sa sasakyan ang baril o pwedeng dalhin in your person dahil may PTC?

Dito kasi sa States, meron lang akong Handgun Safety Certificate na good for 5 years. Hindi ko kailangan ang PTC kung bahay to range lang. Pero bawal ang huminto for errand in between. Tsaka kung, God forbid, na nagamit ng isa sa pamilya ko ang baril na nakapangalan sa akin in self-defense sa loob ng pamamahay namin eh hindi magiging kaso yun. Also, hindi kailangan ng lisensya o permit para sa rifle.

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« Reply #118 on: April 20, 2012, 12:45:24 PM »
So dyan ba sa Pilipinas eh iba pa ang license at permit to carry? Kung pupunta kang gun range galing sa bahay, kailangan pa na may PTC? Ano ang sakop ng PTC? Kung papunta ka sa range at may errand in between na kailangan mong gawin, kailangan bang iwan sa sasakyan ang baril o pwedeng dalhin in your person dahil may PTC?

Dito kasi sa States, meron lang akong Handgun Safety Certificate na good for 5 years. Hindi ko kailangan ang PTC kung bahay to range lang. Pero bawal ang huminto for errand in between. Tsaka kung, God forbid, na nagamit ng isa sa pamilya ko ang baril na nakapangalan sa akin in self-defense sa loob ng pamamahay namin eh hindi magiging kaso yun. Also, hindi kailangan ng lisensya o permit para sa rifle.

bukod po sir,one license per gun..pag may PTC po kahit san po pwede dalhin..ako po lagi nasa bag FA ko or inside the waistband..round chambered,hammer down pero naka ambi safety..pag bahay to range lang po,pwede na ung PTT(permit to travel)pwede po magdala hanggang 500rounds ng ammo..pero dapat po nakahiwalay ang baril sa magazine,at hiwalay din po ung ammo..sa PTC po hanggang 50rounds lang ang pwede dalhin na ammo.. :)
« Last Edit: April 20, 2012, 12:47:14 PM by markLAKANDULA »

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« Reply #119 on: April 20, 2012, 01:17:33 PM »
bukod po sir,one license per gun..pag may PTC po kahit san po pwede dalhin..ako po lagi nasa bag FA ko or inside the waistband..round chambered,hammer down pero naka ambi safety..pag bahay to range lang po,pwede na ung PTT(permit to travel)pwede po magdala hanggang 500rounds ng ammo..pero dapat po nakahiwalay ang baril sa magazine,at hiwalay din po ung ammo..sa PTC po hanggang 50rounds lang ang pwede dalhin na ammo.. :)

iba pa ba ang permit to travel sa license bro? so pag may license yung FA ko, hindi ko din pwede dalhin sa range kung wala akong PTT?
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« Reply #120 on: April 20, 2012, 01:28:04 PM »
iba pa ba ang permit to travel sa license bro? so pag may license yung FA ko, hindi ko din pwede dalhin sa range kung wala akong PTT?

TUMPAK! at pag nahuli ka..illegal possession of firearms agad..kung wala ka PTT o PTC..pwede mo lang ilabas ang baril mo hanggang 50 meters mula sa bahay mo..

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nung wala pa kami PTT dati o PTC..LnL lang gamit ko..(Lakas ng Loob)hahahahaha
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« Reply #121 on: April 20, 2012, 01:43:46 PM »
TUMPAK! at pag nahuli ka..illegal possession of firearms agad..kung wala ka PTT o PTC..pwede mo lang ilabas ang baril mo hanggang 50 meters mula sa bahay mo..

thanks bro! dami ko natututunan dito.  :-D
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« Reply #122 on: April 20, 2012, 01:58:15 PM »
thanks bro! dami ko natututunan dito.  :-D

glad to help sir.. :)

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« Reply #124 on: April 25, 2012, 01:16:29 AM »
sabi na nga ba't may ganitong thread din dito sa PM!  :-D

seriously, with the recent events happening in the compound where my wife and i live, i'm thinking of getting some protection for our home. 4 incidents na may pinapasok sa mga kapitbahay namin - with the last 2 done within a span of 5 days. we are going to form a home owners association soon and probably get a security guard but i still want to be assured that i can defend on my own if the need arises. my wife is pregnant and i don't want to take any chances.

why do you say that shotguns are the best for home protection? mga how much kaya ang budget for a basic shotgun? i'm actually looking into getting a pistol lang. siguro 9mm or .40 but nabasa ko dito na shotgun ang best for my purpose.

thanks in advance!  :)

bro get a mossberg shotgun, for me it's the next best thing to benelli..as far as I can remember mga 50k meron ka na...then get a high capacity .40, pag CQC kasi mas madali gamitin handgun for me..or get something shorter than a shotgun like uzi or mp5..imagine kung hide and seek play kayo ng bad guy mas madali ka makikita pag mahaba dala mo gawa ng shadow...anyway, mahalaga may bubunutin ka hehehehe! a norinco AK47 pala costs 45k php lang mas nakakatakot yon kaysa shotgun choose the right ammo na lang to make sure na wala kang madadamay na di dapat madamay pag ginamit mo sa scenario...  :-D

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