Epiphone Les Paul at Lazer (made in china) 14k lang

[RedWinG]

kaya siguro walang nagpopost na taga Lazer dito sa PM. (or baka meron previously at nagkakamali lang ako?) in doubt sila sa binebenta nila.
i saw threads by employees of JB and Lyric here. Yupangco not sure. PM netizen could inquire to them about their items.

[weeeeeenesus]

kung nabili un wawa bumili
sana fernando copy nlng kasi di rin naman orig na lp nabili nya 

[r_chino18]

Naku.. Sana di yun nabili..  

eto po pla yung sinasabi kung model na nakita ko sa Lazer SM Bicutan

http://www.epiphone.com/default.asp?ProductID=48&CollectionID=6

If that's the case, dapat set-neck siya bro. Pero alam naman na natin na fake, so it doesn't matter. Haha.

[Rmansh]

http://www.epiphone.com/default.asp?ProductID=48&CollectionID=6

matagal na wala ito mga sirs

[Product Supervisor]

  We would like to give an answer to your question about epiphone guitar issue we sell. Yes we have small quantity of the said guitar, it came from china factory where manufacturer of genuine epiphone guitar company. this guitars are “class b level” ,  those are not passed by the quality control department because those are slightly defect, cost of minor dent, scrutches and other reason which the factory did not meet the epiphone’s company requirments.
   
        This factory in china took the slightly damage guitars and they re-touched the goods and sell it at bargain price. An importer approach us and requested that the said guitar is be displayed at our store. Our intention why we sell this Epiphones because we want to help our countrymen who cant afford to buy an expensive branded guitars in our market and to make everyone dreams came true by having thier desire brand.
   
        We are hoping that we clear the “fake essue” about Epiphone guitars you seen in our store, even Ibanez guitars we have.
Thank you so much to philmusic because this is one of the institution who help the musicians, the music stores and the whole community in the industry.
   
        We are here in this business not because we want to have big market share, we’re here to provide option to our client of having quality and affordatble musical instruments, and we will contenue to bring new axes and toys in our market as our contribution to help the community.

        This is not the first time we will seen here in Philmusic. From now on we are part of these forum as your new family member to answer the questions about our products and services, we’re  not here to promote our promos, we are here to engage relationship in each and everyone of you thru philmusic, we want to extend our service because we “LAZER MUSIC is your friendly music store.”  

Thank you.
Marketing deparment

[r_chino18]

       We would like to give an answer to your question about epiphone guitar issue we sell. Yes we have small quantity of the said guitar, it came from china factory where manufacturer of genuine epiphone guitar company. this guitars are “class b level” ,  those are not passed by the quality control department because those are slightly defect, cost of minor dent, scrutches and other reason which the factory did not meet the epiphone’s company requirments.
   
        This factory in china took the reject guitars and they re-touched the goods and sell it at bargain price. We are the one who bought that goods. Our intention why we sell this Epiphones because we want to help our countrymen who cant afford to buy an expensive branded guitars in our market and to make everyone dreams came true by having thier desire brand.
   
        We are hoping that we clear the “fake essue” about Epiphone guitars you seen in our store, even Ibanez guitars we have.
Thank you so much to philmusic because this is one of the institution who help the musicians, the music stores and the whole community in the industry.
   
        We are here in this business not because we want to have big market share, we’re here to provide option to our client of having quality and affordatble musical instruments, and we will contenue to bring new axes and toys in our market as our contribution to help the community.

        This is not the first time we will seen here in Philmusic. From now on we are part of these forum as your new family member to answer the questions about our products and services, we’re  not here to promote our promos, we are here to engage relationship in each and everyone of you thru philmusic, we want to extend our service because we “LAZER MUSIC is your friendly music store.”  

Thank you.
Marketing deparment

You mean, factory 2nd?

Talked to one of their employees at festival mall & told him that there is this thread about them selling fake epiphone. He knows that the item is fake, but it is their management who is trying to push the item.
Before, the item was displayed at the entrance of their shop, now it is hidden along with the other guitars (tinago nila, kasi marami nag-iinquire & sila mismo ayaw nila i-push or ibenta kasi "mas alam" ng mga empleyado na sila ang masisira dun).
Told them that it would ruin their credibility and lose the trust of their customers.  

Then what about this?

Perhaps you can shed more light sir Product Supervisor. Maybe you can post a few detailed photos, front and back, headstock, etc., of these factory second units.

[mikki_blinkme]

B-Stocks. Yan din ang nasa isip ko. Hope totoong totoo to.

[siore]

Good day Product Supervisor, and welcome to Philmusic!

About the epiphone guitars, you are aware of the sheer volume of counterfeit Epiphones being produced in China right?  A lot of the people involved in this will of course try to pass them off as something else, including B stocks and rejects.  How credible is your source, and what steps in due diligence has your company taken to verify whatever claim they made in order to have you display their guitars in your stores?  Have you contacted Gibson or Epiphone, or at least consulted with international dealers and hobbyists who are experts in spotting these already elaborate counterfeits?

[red_hot]

Even intune music store are selling epi i saw yesterday tested it and took a picture. .. and they're selling it for 13,500.00.....

[straightwire]

Yan din ang sinasabi ng mga music store sa V.Mapa that what they sell are factory reject.Common sense dictates na hindi susugal ang mga kilalang manufacturer ng gitara na ibenta ang mga factory reject  bearing their name.They put up their company to sell quality instruments not factory rejects.What we see now are tsunami of fakes,which will eventually put our country again in compromising situation(just like the pirated dvd)IMHO i think it comes from a single source in China ,a factory dedicated in manufacturing those fakes,sure marami sa atin hirap bumili ng branded guitar pero hindi un justification para bahain tayo ng fakeys.Check their serial number sa guitar dater ung iba ok ung iba reject.In the end profit pa din ang pag uusapan.customer pa din ang kawawa.
   

[mandoytz]

Hi Mr. Product Supervisor,  tanong lang po, pati ba yung squier and ibanez guitars nyo B class? It's the first time i've heard of such term sa guitars, madalas ko lang marinig yun sa mga tiangge shops selling fake louis vuitton and lacoste shirts class A and class B hehehe So basically you are saying that those epi's are not fake? And they are just sub-standard?or rejects? Ang pagkakaintindi ko kse kaya nga reject or sub standard it's because di pumasa sa standards ng mismong epiphone co., ibig sabihin ba yung "mga taga gawa lang ng epiphone" ang naglabas nitong mga guitar at hindi mismo ang epiphone? Tama ba? Thanks

[Rmansh]

 We would like to give an answer to your question about epiphone guitar issue we sell. Yes we have small quantity of the said guitar, it came from china factory where manufacturer of genuine epiphone guitar company. this guitars are “class b level” ,  those are not passed by the quality control department because those are slightly defect, cost of minor dent, scrutches and other reason which the factory did not meet the epiphone’s company requirments.
   
        This factory in china took the slightly damage guitars and they re-touched the goods and sell it at bargain price. An importer approach us and requested that the said guitar s be displayed at our store. Our intention why we sell this Epiphones because we want to help our countrymen who cant afford to buy an expensive branded guitars in our market and to make everyone dreams came true by having thier desire brand.
   
        We are hoping that we clear the “fake essue” about Epiphone guitars you seen in our store, even Ibanez guitars we have.
Thank you so much to philmusic because this is one of the institution who help the musicians, the music stores and the whole community in the industry.
   
        We are here in this business not because we want to have big market share, we’re here to provide option to our client of having quality and affordatble musical instruments, and we will contenue to bring new axes and toys in our market as our contribution to help the community.

        This is not the first time we will seen here in Philmusic. From now on we are part of these forum as your new family member to answer the questions about our products and services, we’re  not here to promote our promos, we are here to engage relationship in each and everyone of you thru philmusic, we want to extend our service because we “LAZER MUSIC is your friendly music store.”  

Thank you.
Marketing deparment

Hmmm, you sounded like that italian guy in facebook. Is he your SOURCE?

[maxi_musikero]

Good day Product Supervisor, and welcome to Philmusic!

About the epiphone guitars, you are aware of the sheer volume of counterfeit Epiphones being produced in China right?  A lot of the people involved in this will of course try to pass them off as something else, including B stocks and rejects.  How credible is your source, and what steps in due diligence has your company taken to verify whatever claim they made in order to have you display their guitars in your stores?  Have you contacted Gibson or Epiphone, or at least consulted with international dealers and hobbyists who are experts in spotting these already elaborate counterfeits?

+1

it's so easy to claim these are factory seconds/b-stocks.  well, if that's the case then Lazer is no better than the tiangge stalls in Greenhills.  class A, B and what-have-you.  also, selling known rejects to Filipino people - what does that make us?!

not sure if his post caused more good than bad.

[teleclem]

Even intune music store are selling epi i saw yesterday tested it and took a picture. .. and they're selling it for 13,500.00.....

sadly, dami nang fakes nowadays.


@: Product supervisor - So.. Considered class b ba sila kapag iba yung specs niya from the "class a" counterpart?

Class B din yung sinasabi sa greenhills nung mga nagbebenta ng fake/"oem" na Beats headphones

[Beatle]

Speaking of china guitar factories..I bet you guys have seen this vid:

feature=fvwrel

i see ibanez,fender,lespauls...the works! no safety standards..the guy who paints the guitars doesn't even wear a mask!


Sad truth na madami talagang fakes 

[Product Supervisor]

        Again... We would like to answer  your inquiries about the epiphone guitars we are selling. Actually, we are not  the one who imported these guitars. One of our local supplier  approach us and ask a favor that the said guitars be displayed at our stores. We only tried a small quantity of the said guitars, to test the market, and get feedbacks from our customers. But all our employees were brief to disclosed that  these are made in China factory, and we have NO intention of misleading the customers . These are “class b level guitars” , those that did not  passed the strict screening of epiphone’s  quality control department.  Those that has a slight defect, minor dents, scratches and other specifications  that the China factory did not meet, as what  our local supplier claim.
  
        They said the factory re-manufactured this guitars and sold it at cheaper price, giving them the benefit of the doubt we took their word for it. Our intention in selling this guitars is to help young guitarist and beginners, who can’t afford to buy an expensive branded guitars in our market .
  
       We  hope this will enlighten the issue on our Epiphone guitars.

Thank you.
Marketing deparment

LINK:
Gibson in china
http://gibson.cn/index.jsp

[Rmansh]

@product supervisor

this link you gave us, is this where you/your source gets your epiphones? this shop?

http://gibson.cn/index.jsp

[Moon]

Interesting.

[hunk0429]

just a question,

if these guitars are CLASS-B, do they have serial numbers? if i'll email epiphone about the serial, will it be recognized?

[maxi_musikero]

        They said the factory re-manufactured this guitars and sold it at cheaper price, giving them the benefit of the doubt we took their word for it. Our intention in selling this guitars is to help young guitarist and beginners, who can’t afford to buy an expensive branded guitars in our market .

you knew the circumstance in which the guitars are obtained by your supplier but you didn't deem it prudent to verify this with Gibson China?  you just took their word for it?!  wow.  talk about irresponsibility.  

don't even hide behind the "we just want to help.." line.  maybe your main intention is to gain profit from rejects.

[Kym0726]

just a question,

if these guitars are CLASS-B, do they have serial numbers? if i'll email epiphone about the serial, will it be recognized?

+1

@Rmansh: sir don din po ba kayo kumukuha ng mga Epi's dun sa link na binigay ni Sir Lazer product Supervisor?

 would anyone spend 14k Php for a rejected/reworked Epiphone Les Paul?

[Rmansh]

+1

@Rmansh: sir don din po ba kayo kumukuha ng mga Epi's dun sa link na binigay ni Sir Lazer product Supervisor?

 would anyone spend 14k Php for a rejected/reworked Epiphone Les Paul?

nope. thats why i asked mr. product supervisor

[straightwire]

        Again... We would like to answer  your inquiries about the epiphone guitars we are selling. Actually, we are not  the one who imported these guitars. One of our local supplier  approach us and ask a favor that the said guitars be displayed at our stores. We only tried a small quantity of the said guitars, to test the market, and get feedbacks from our customers. But all our employees were brief to disclosed that  these are made in China factory, and we have NO intention of misleading the customers . These are “class b level guitars” , those that did not  passed the strict screening of epiphone’s  quality control department.  Those that has a slight defect, minor dents, scratches and other specifications  that the China factory did not meet, as what  our local supplier claim.
   
        They said the factory re-manufactured this guitars and sold it at cheaper price, giving them the benefit of the doubt we took their word for it. Our intention in selling this guitars is to help young guitarist and beginners, who can’t afford to buy an expensive branded guitars in our market .
   
       We  hope this will enlighten the issue on our Epiphone guitars.

Thank you.
Marketing deparment

LINK:
Gibson in china
http://gibson.cn/index.jsp

Its true that Epiphone are made in China but I think these guitars did not come from that factory.Sobrang dami na ng fakes kung ganito ang dami ng class B baka bumagsak ang company ang daming reject.
     The link that you provided did not mention anything about Class B.
       Its your duty to verify kung original ba talaga ung product na i bebenta sa store
        Ang talo dito ay kung sino ung nasa recieving end which is the customer

[page8six....]

Hmmm, you sounded like that italian guy in facebook. Is he your SOURCE?

LOL

[asuncionkevin]

so ibig sabihin pati ung jems, squier and fender sa lazer is "class B guitars" ? never heard of na may binebentang rejected ang fender at kahit anong brand ng gitara... shempre common sense na lang ng tao yun na magbebenta ba at ilalagay ba ng isang company ang pangalan nila sa isang rejected na item? diba hindi nila isusugal ung pangalan nung company nila sa ganung bagay... haay..