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Offline bulog

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« on: September 01, 2006, 02:50:17 PM »
Fellow drum mates, naka encounter na ba kau ng ganito?

Sabi nya, I needed a metronome daw to keep my timing/tempo, kasi ung ibang songs e mabilis yung palo ko.  So I agreed, no questions asked.

And then the next time we met, wag daw akong magbilang, pakiramdaman na lang daw.  What the ?????  Me mga songs na kulang sya sa bar na gusto nya kahit kulang tapusin na ung song.  para saan pa ung practicing ko ng tempo/timing kung sya mismo ang sisira ng timing ko.

What should I do?

Obey him na lng and do what he says.  Or stick to the bar/timing?

Di ba we drummers tend to count 1-2-3-4 pero sa 3 pa lng tatapusin na nya or vice versa.  Sometimes during outro, halimbawa 16 counts before mag end...di na nya susundin and magtapos na lng kung kelan gusto.  Which I think someways applies naman pero not all the time.  Kasi me mga fills pa tayo for example before we execute the ending of the song d b?

Parang ang gulo kc e....pakiramdaman pero he wants me to have a metronome (e di ba metronome din is set for 4/4, 3/4, 5/8 etc. tapos on 3 pa lng shift na to Bridge kunwari, di ba mag conflict un?

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« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2006, 04:28:09 PM »
metronome is an excellent training ground to be playing solid tempo.

ang pagkakaintindi ko Chris, baka naka odd time siya?  kaya hindi patapos yun bar bumalik na sa 1.

iyon kasi ang pagkakaintindi ko din dun sa sinasabi niyang pakiramdaman mo yun song at wag kang magbilang kasi sumusobra ka ng beat.  so baka nga odd time.
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« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2006, 07:15:26 PM »
Patugtugin mo sa kanya yung part ng song  na may problema habang sya din mismo ang bumibilang,at mag tap kamo sya ng paa nya.Tapos sulat mo sa papel...Patugtog mo uli sa kanya..Check mo kung consistent sya..Pag consistent sya,Ikaw nga ang may problema :oops:
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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2006, 03:26:57 AM »
Maybe they're looking for a good compromise between a decent tempo and a right feel for the music.

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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2006, 12:23:44 PM »
Okay I'll give u an example.

beat is 4/4

intro is drum fills starting from 2.

So 1-tug-tak-tug-gish

Pero he wants for me to count 1-2-tug-tak-tug-gish?

Mali d ba?

Then outro of song na 4/4 counts 16 before end

15 pa lng tatapusin na nya..although not that big deal.

Pero kunng sa intro and nakaset ung metronome ko sa 4/4...di ba mauuna un kaysa sa akin kung sinunod ko ung 1-2-tug-tak-tug-gish?

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« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2006, 12:26:53 PM »
medyo hirap explain e...cguro I'll just let him realize kung sasabay nga kami sa metronome if he does that.

Kasi pinakita ko sa kanya ung count e.

pero sabi nya wag raw akong magbilang....basta count ako 1-2 before ung fill...which is 3 counts pa...so naging 5 counts.

Hayy....

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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2006, 05:10:46 PM »
Quote from: bulog
Okay I'll give u an example.

beat is 4/4

intro is drum fills starting from 2.

So 1-tug-tak-tug-gish

Pero he wants for me to count 1-2-tug-tak-tug-gish?

Mali d ba?

Then outro of song na 4/4 counts 16 before end

15 pa lng tatapusin na nya..although not that big deal.

Pero kunng sa intro and nakaset ung metronome ko sa 4/4...di ba mauuna un kaysa sa akin kung sinunod ko ung 1-2-tug-tak-tug-gish?

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yun fill starting on 2, pwede naman e basta't land on 1.

yun outro, pwede naman maaga yun rest to end the song.  Yun lang kun tatapusin sa "a" ng 4...wow, offbeat ang pagtatapos which is still possible, ewan na lang kun musical sa type ng song na iyon.
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« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2006, 05:13:34 PM »
Quote from: bulog
medyo hirap explain e...cguro I'll just let him realize kung sasabay nga kami sa metronome if he does that.

Kasi pinakita ko sa kanya ung count e.

pero sabi nya wag raw akong magbilang....basta count ako 1-2 before ung fill...which is 3 counts pa...so naging 5 counts.

Hayy....


naranasan ko iyan sa church eh.  may song going to the bridge na unknowingly 5/4...ang ginagawa ng pianist.

so sinabi ko akward (dahil yun lang yun 5/4 bar sa loob ng buong kanta), pero kun gusto pa rin niya..game pa din ako.
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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2006, 07:33:42 PM »
it's all in the feel.
pero kung sa tingin mo nakakapangit o nakakasama sa kanta yung gusto niya, sabihin mo ng deretcho.
mag-communicate kayo ng kabanda mo and everything will be ok.
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« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2006, 10:07:25 PM »
feel...
wala din naman masama sa magbilang pero ikaw gus2 mo bang magbilang ng magbilang ng magbilang ng magbilang ng magbilang ng magbilang ng magbilang....?

o kaya,gamitin mo ung left foot pedal sa hats aun, guide mo.

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« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2006, 12:27:31 AM »
OT: Pano po ba na dedevelop yung continues ung pag shake ng left foot habang pumapalo? Kasi ang nangyayari skn ung kanan ko ung nag gguide tapos tska nlng papadjak pag kailangan na. Ano magandang excersise para dun? Nalilito kasi ako pag ka continues ung left foot ko. Tnx
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« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2006, 12:45:12 AM »
nawawala din yan pagtagal...madedevelop niyo na yung sarili niyong oras..sobrang bilis ko tumugtog dati pero pagtagal nawala na din, nagjamming lang kami ng nagjamming
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« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2006, 04:37:21 AM »
Quote from: autoexec
OT: Pano po ba na dedevelop yung continues ung pag shake ng left foot habang pumapalo? Kasi ang nangyayari skn ung kanan ko ung nag gguide tapos tska nlng papadjak pag kailangan na. Ano magandang excersise para dun? Nalilito kasi ako pag ka continues ung left foot ko. Tnx


proper balance and practice, practice..practice.
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« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2006, 06:44:31 AM »
dude,
metronome is really a good thing to develop timing and consistency. As many would say drummer and ngdadala ng tutugan. dapat consistent yung speed mo. there is nothing wrong s pgbibilang pero dapat pa rin pakiramdaman. again metronome is only to develop consistent speed.