Author Topic: Do you think Lumanog and other stagnant guitar makers are just wasting wood? (Read 18920 times)

gandydancer123 · « **on:** November 22, 2011, 01:08:40 PM »

Why cant we see Pinoy artist play with these "so called Pinoy Pride" brands? do you think they ought to just stop production and save the environment by halting the need for cutting trees to make their stuff? Why havent they progressed into global brands? Why is there technology research and development?stagnant? why dont they hire young and fresh pinoy luthiers to help rework their guitar design and manufacturing process into better sounding..quality instruments...for the same price..would buy some cardboard sounding lumanog or some cheapo massproduced CNC'ed china guitar?

Hmmmm..Id rather choose the latter...more bang for your buck...

Your thoughts?

vorg147 · « **Reply #1 on:** November 22, 2011, 02:29:48 PM »

Quote from: gandydancer123 on November 22, 2011, 01:08:40 PM

Why cant we see Pinoy artist play with these "so called Pinoy Pride" brands? do you think they ought to just stop production and save the environment by halting the need for cutting trees to make their stuff? Why havent they progressed into global brands? Why is there technology research and development?stagnant? why dont they hire young and fresh pinoy luthiers to help rework their guitar design and manufacturing process into better sounding..quality instruments...for the same price..would buy some cardboard sounding lumanog or some cheapo massproduced CNC'ed china guitar?

Hmmmm..Id rather choose the latter...more bang for your buck...

Your thoughts?

ung target customer kasi nila ay ung mga taong hindi kayang bumili ng branded na guitars. Masmabilis mabebenta ung mga products nila. lalo na sa environment ng place nila na most ng mga tao ay may kaya lang sa buhay. Kung magbebenta sila ng good quality syempre mataas din ang presyo na hindi kaya iafford mostly ng mga tao na malapit sa kanila. well opinion ko lang naman ito

gunlak · « **Reply #2 on:** November 22, 2011, 03:24:43 PM »

yes.

mas ok pa yung mga MIC na kasing presyo lang naman ng ibang lumanog guitars.

kulang kasi sa build and overall quality eh. di pa maganda materials na gamit.

matanglawin · « **Reply #3 on:** November 22, 2011, 05:31:42 PM »

Apples and oranges.

Mas sayang ang pera sa taong gumasta sa pagkamahal-mahal a gitara, ngunit hindi naman marunong o magaling tumugtog. Sa mga nakatutugtog ng Lumanog, maganda na ang tunog nito, lalo na sa mga simpleng salu-salo.

It's not impossible for Lumanog to produce better-quality guitars, but that's not their market.

gandydancer123 · « **Reply #4 on:** November 22, 2011, 05:39:37 PM »

ang pinagtataka ko pa..is bakit patuloy na pinagyayabang nila or yung ibang tao na nastuck sa "urban legend" na Lumanog and other similar brands..are of quality components..and of superior sound..pride of filipino music..pati about those pataasan ng ihi tales about Langka wood pffft..siguro nga these product cater to less sophisticated consumers...

gandydancer123 · « **Reply #5 on:** November 22, 2011, 05:49:15 PM »

Sa mga nakatutugtog ng Lumanog, maganda na ang tunog nito, lalo na sa mga simpleng salu-salo.

hahaha sabagay...at least less worry ka na kahit matuluan ng beer or mapitikan ng yosi..tugtog lang..magasgas man yung headstock sa pagkaskas sa hollowblock wall ..ayos lang din!

And true..dami nga dyan mga poser na mayayaman na madamig pera to buy those hanep brands pero after a few months..nakatambak nalang sa mga bodega nila yun..kasi iba na hilig..

chifonclo · « **Reply #6 on:** November 22, 2011, 05:58:21 PM »

sa tingin ko malakas lang sila sa mga newbie sa gitara ung wala pang alam sa wood or anything kahit parang ply na pag kanipis nipis ay ok lang sa kanila tas me halong pambobla na den sa mga buyers

DiMarzSiao · « **Reply #7 on:** November 22, 2011, 06:17:09 PM »

are they wasting wood? No.

maswerte ang mga kabataan ngayon dahil marami na ang nagbebente ng gitara., madami ng option kung saan bibili,. pero, hindi lahat ay nabiyayaan ng kayamanan.

madaming natuto mag gitara dahil dyan sa Lumanog na nilalait nyo., so respect lang dapat., kasi, hindi yung wala gaanong alam na batang gumagamit ng Lumanog ang tinatawanan nyo, kundi yung mga magulang nila na yun lang ang inabot ng perang pambili para mapasaya ang anak.

matanglawin · « **Reply #8 on:** November 22, 2011, 06:31:56 PM »

Quote from: gandydancer123 on November 22, 2011, 05:39:37 PM

ang pinagtataka ko pa..is bakit patuloy na pinagyayabang nila or yung ibang tao na nastuck sa "urban legend" na Lumanog and other similar brands..are of quality components..and of superior sound..pride of filipino music..pati about those pataasan ng ihi tales about Langka wood pffft..siguro nga these product cater to less sophisticated consumers...

Have you played one at all?

I have played a few acoustic Lumanog guitars back then, when I was younger, and they sound "good enough" even for impromptu performances. There are a few na tunog-lata, pero chambahan rin mkakuha ng tunay na maganda ang tunog off the bat. Since they're cheap, they're good enough for those who can only afford cheap guitars. Also, the disadvantages of Cheap Lumanog guitars is that they tend to sound bad after a while, because they're not using better wood.

So, no, hindi sayang ang kahoy sa Lumanog.

Here's a sample of a song I arranged with a "cheap" acoustic Lumanog a few years back:

http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=6743678

(Please note that I'm not a good guitar player...)

hatfield110 · « **Reply #9 on:** November 22, 2011, 06:42:53 PM »

I agree with Mr. Matanglawin.

Tsaka yung Lumanog (and other instrument makers) caters to non musicians. Siyempre, para sa ating mga musikero, alam na natin yung gusto natin sa gitara, pero yung hindi musikero, hindi nila alam ang pinagkaiba ng Lumanog sa Oscar Schmidtt, ng Miles sa Korg etc. Yung mga non-musicians, they would settle for less dahil para sa kanila, pare-pareho lang yan. Brand name lang ang binibili mo.

)

By the way, sa gitarang Lumanog (na ubod ng tigas) ako natuto maggitara. Kung hindi ako nagkakamali, 1996 yun. At hanggang ngayon, buo pa rin yung Lumanog ko.

mikki_blinkme · « **Reply #10 on:** November 22, 2011, 06:46:08 PM »

Quote from: DiMarzSiao on November 22, 2011, 06:17:09 PM

are they wasting wood? No.

maswerte ang mga kabataan ngayon dahil marami na ang nagbebente ng gitara., madami ng option kung saan bibili,. pero, hindi lahat ay nabiyayaan ng kayamanan.

madaming natuto mag gitara dahil dyan sa Lumanog na nilalait nyo., so respect lang dapat., kasi, hindi yung wala gaanong alam na batang gumagamit ng Lumanog ang tinatawanan nyo, kundi yung mga magulang nila na yun lang ang inabot ng perang pambili para mapasaya ang anak.

agree!

toysuki07 · « **Reply #11 on:** November 22, 2011, 07:06:08 PM »

Kung first timer or novice in playing guitar, okay naman ang lumanog.. My first acoustic guitar was Lumanog, sa isang matinong music shop ko pa sya nabili (nakalimutan ko na ang name), and I can say na maganda yung quality nya compared sa mga Lumanog ngayon.

Pati pa ba 'Lumanog may copy? LOL

samuelfianza · « **Reply #12 on:** November 22, 2011, 07:46:44 PM »

I think meron yung mga Fake na lumanog at meron din yung OK ang quality for non-serious musicians (pang-inuman, tambay, etc.)

matanglawin · « **Reply #13 on:** November 22, 2011, 07:50:59 PM »

Quote from: samuelfianza on November 22, 2011, 07:46:44 PM

I think meron yung mga Fake na lumanog at meron din yung OK ang quality for non-serious musicians (pang-inuman, tambay, etc.)

Good point. There are fake Lumanog Guitars out there.

toysuki07 · « **Reply #14 on:** November 22, 2011, 08:14:15 PM »

Global nalang ata ang orig brand naten? LOL

siore · « **Reply #15 on:** November 22, 2011, 08:39:40 PM »

Quote from: gandydancer123 on November 22, 2011, 05:49:15 PM

Sa mga nakatutugtog ng Lumanog, maganda na ang tunog nito, lalo na sa mga simpleng salu-salo.

hahaha sabagay...at least less worry ka na kahit matuluan ng beer or mapitikan ng yosi..tugtog lang..magasgas man yung headstock sa pagkaskas sa hollowblock wall ..ayos lang din!

And true..dami nga dyan mga poser na mayayaman na madamig pera to buy those hanep brands pero after a few months..nakatambak nalang sa mga bodega nila yun..kasi iba na hilig..

This.

I still own one,and this will be the one I bring out when drunks are involved lol! Actually,I like the sound. It's not that bad,and I wrote a few songs on it. I guess guys get disappointed when they don't take their time in the stores or feel pressured when the salesguy/'bantay' urges them on to a purchase. But you're bound to find something worth your while if you just open your horizons.

half_empty · « **Reply #16 on:** November 22, 2011, 08:47:36 PM »

sa panahon kasi ngayon nagsisimahalan na lahat kaya yung quality sa mga recent made baka nawawala na. i like the old lumanog made acoustics. dito samin madami may lumanog, yung iba almost 12-20yo na ata.. relic na halos. maganda padin tunog.

toysuki07 · « **Reply #17 on:** November 22, 2011, 09:48:59 PM »

Yung mga bagong lumanog ngayon 'Lumanog = LumaTunog .. pamatay sa tigas yung strings na stock.

sa tingin ko kaya lang nasira yung brand Lumanog dahil sa mga fakers -_-

haxo55 · « **Reply #18 on:** November 22, 2011, 10:02:29 PM »

sa v.mapa ba may orig na lumanog pa dun?
o puro fake na rin?
halos lahat ng shop dun may lumanog na word sa karatula nila haha,

appleseed · « **Reply #19 on:** November 22, 2011, 10:05:46 PM »

may mga orig na lumanog na kahit papano okay yung tunod for the price.

remember "supersound"?

alvinilano · « **Reply #20 on:** November 22, 2011, 10:07:28 PM »

Wala naman sa gitara yan, alam ko magkakapatid tong lumanog na to eh, at kanya kanya sila ng gawa

XrsJay · « **Reply #21 on:** November 23, 2011, 01:06:10 AM »

tama nga ang mga replies dito sir TS..
i guess lumanog guitar doesnt just waste wood..
well professional musicians wont use it for acoustic gig but they would probably use it when they will be drinking or even in practicing so that their main guitar wont be that battered when it comes to the live performances..
my former bandmate a close friend of mine have this lumanog guitar nothing fancy but it sounds okay i cant compare it to a taylor acoustic but it sounds okay.. for the price maybe we can say you get what you paid for.

h@Lo · « **Reply #22 on:** November 23, 2011, 02:27:12 AM »

I like to share something.. Naka-usap ko few years back yung anak ng original lumanog before.. Family issue ang problem..

According to him, lahat ng nasa V. Mapa ay fake, isa lang yung original dun.. Nagdedemandahan sila sa rights ng tunay na Lumanog brand.. I reached out kasi medyo may pagka-patriotic ko.. I support Filipino products and I believe na KAYA ng Lumanog lumaban kahit sa imported brands.. Kelangan lang ng malupit na market research..

I offered him a web site.. I told him I can build a website for Lumanog and also help them on their market research.. Kelangan nilang magproduce ng malupit ng gitara na tipong ipro-promote siya ng mga local artists but, he's arrogant. He offered me to work for him in a different industry and forget about Lumanog guitars kasi away pamilya daw yun.. I declined, syempre offer ko para sa Lumanog yun..

May classmate din ako nung HS na family member din ng Lumanog clan kaso mama niya kasi yung Lumanog.. May store din sila kaso in my opinion, hindi din okay yung quality pero meron silang service na aayusin nila guitars mo.. Ayun..

Tingin ko, hangga't 'di naaayos family issue nila, wala sigurong mangyayari.. Sayang lang kasi sobrang kilala brand nila..imagine kung sila yung naging official Filipino brand ng guitars e 'di proud Filipino tayo sa larangan ng guitar brands na kasing level ng Gibson kung sakali...

gnarly · « **Reply #23 on:** November 23, 2011, 09:47:41 AM »

Quote from: gandydancer123 on November 22, 2011, 01:08:40 PM

Why cant we see Pinoy artist play with these "so called Pinoy Pride" brands? do you think they ought to just stop production and save the environment by halting the need for cutting trees to make their stuff? Why havent they progressed into global brands? Why is there technology research and development?stagnant? why dont they hire young and fresh pinoy luthiers to help rework their guitar design and manufacturing process into better sounding..quality instruments...for the same price..would buy some cardboard sounding lumanog or some cheapo massproduced CNC'ed china guitar?

Hmmmm..Id rather choose the latter...more bang for your buck...

Your thoughts?

sa perspective ng isang musikero: tama yung idea na mag-hire ng fresh luthiers. ika nga panibagong perspective at malay natin at di naman malayong mangyari na maka-produce ng local guitars na affordable pero quality.

chifonclo · « **Reply #24 on:** November 23, 2011, 10:03:35 AM »

Quote from: toysuki07 on November 22, 2011, 08:14:15 PM

Global nalang ata ang orig brand naten? LOL

anu naman ung weinstein orig den ba yun?

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Author Topic: Do you think Lumanog and other stagnant guitar makers are just wasting wood? (Read 18920 times)