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Offline eirol_99

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« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2011, 07:25:34 AM »
crest audio ca series amps employ single toroids on their power supplies but can handle 2 ohm loads very well. it's the amplifier circuit that matters when loading low impedances. china amps use high voltages on their power supplies almost bringing the output devices to their limits, kaya delikado na sila sa low impedance loads.
naglabas din QSC ng powerlight HV, good for 4 ohm loads lang, high voltage kasi sya, also their RMX series with HD, heavy duty good for 2 ohm loading kasi mas lower ang supply voltage but same number of output devices.

Offline king_james

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« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2012, 02:15:31 PM »
Tanong mga sir,,,kng 8ohms mono bridge.. ang both channel is 4 ohms,,at kng 4 ohms mono bridge both channel is 2 ohms?di ba stress ang amp masyado.?

4 ohms bridged is exactly the same stress on the amp as running 2 ohms stereo.    :-) :-)

crest audio ca series amps employ single toroids on their power supplies but can handle 2 ohm loads very well. it's the amplifier circuit that matters when loading low impedances. china amps use high voltages on their power supplies almost bringing the output devices to their limits, kaya delikado na sila sa low impedance loads.
naglabas din QSC ng powerlight HV, good for 4 ohm loads lang, high voltage kasi sya, also their RMX series with HD, heavy duty good for 2 ohm loading kasi mas lower ang supply voltage but same number of output devices.

Very true.  Chinese amps always come in the same package.  It's just a matter of rebadging them. Just my two cents. :-) :-)

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« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2012, 10:11:36 AM »


Sir I don't think na same Ang mga amps sa china... First po... Maraming amplifier company sa china..
May matino and strict sa qc pero mas mahal Ang price... Meron mga mas mura pero Hindi pang  american or european standard... Ang mga crown LPS I'm sure na sa china Lang po ginagawa...kaya mura... I'm sure mahigpit quality control and may pinirma contract sila Kung anong parts ang  ...
Napansin ko Lang po pag branded mga gamit ng mga tao... Mas maingat po... 1 speaker per channel.. While Kung mga china amps minsan 4 speakers per side gamit nila... Tapos sisihin Ang mga china amps na sirain... Minsan po sir sa mga Tao rin na gumagamit Ang may kasalanan...
While I'm sure na may sirain tala Ang china amps.. Hindi nyo po generalize lahat ng mga made in china na Amps ay iisa.. Kaya nga malaking tulong Ang philmusic forum... Malalaman natin amg feedback mismo ng gumagamit...just my 2 cents din po :)

« Last Edit: January 18, 2012, 10:14:35 AM by spacejam »

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« Reply #28 on: January 21, 2012, 07:08:15 AM »
yung early days ng soundstandard power amps - m.a. at c.a. series,  kami ng xstatic tested these models at bridge mono - first at simple 8 ohms: 1 speaker = 1 amp.  looks ok.  the m.a. series ang medyo mabilis mag-clip than the c.a.  pero at 4 ohms bridged na, humihinto ang amp.  even sa c.a. series nagkakaproblem.

it seems to me it's because the amp has only one toroidal transformer.  i.m.h.o. dual toroidal transformers will be stable on 4 ohms bridge mono set-ups.
sir itong phonic XP5000 dual transformer  stable siguro ito sa 4 ohms bridge..                                                     
« Last Edit: January 21, 2012, 07:09:21 AM by mants »

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« Reply #29 on: January 21, 2012, 01:04:13 PM »
                                               

Ph0nic XP5000 42,000 sRp.

1,100 w @ 8 0hms
1,800 w @ 4 0hms
2,500 w @ 2 0hms

Sa testing namin maS malakas pa din anG Crell Ca20  :)


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« Reply #30 on: January 21, 2012, 05:08:11 PM »
Ph0nic XP5000 42,000 sRp.

1,100 w @ 8 0hms
1,800 w @ 4 0hms
2,500 w @ 2 0hms

Sa testing namin maS malakas pa din anG Crell Ca20  :)

Meron manufacturer's website.  There is a bigger chance that there is better quality control standards.

http://www.phonic.com/en/xp-5000.html

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« Reply #31 on: January 21, 2012, 05:55:26 PM »
Ph0nic XP5000 42,000 sRp.

1,100 w @ 8 0hms
1,800 w @ 4 0hms
2,500 w @ 2 0hms

Sa testing namin maS malakas pa din anG Crell Ca20  :)
pero baka mas maganda ang protection nitong xp5000 boz, kaysa crell ca20.  si sir jojo matagal ng gumagamit ng xp5000 in 4 ohms bridge at ok pa till now ung xp5000 nya,,,   
Meron manufacturer's website.  There is a bigger chance that there is better quality control standards.

http://www.phonic.com/en/xp-5000.html
sino sir ang dealer nito sa raon...
« Last Edit: January 21, 2012, 05:58:16 PM by mants »

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« Reply #32 on: January 21, 2012, 10:25:34 PM »
pero baka mas maganda ang protection nitong xp5000 boz, kaysa crell ca20.  si sir jojo matagal ng gumagamit ng xp5000 in 4 ohms bridge at ok pa till now ung xp5000 nya,,,   sino sir ang dealer nito sa raon...

00 nga b0z mants. 

DealeR sa Ra0n din si Metr0tech  :)

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« Reply #33 on: January 21, 2012, 10:30:15 PM »
00 nga b0z mants. 

DealeR sa Ra0n din si Metr0tech  :)
tnks boz. mukhang ok ito e bridge ng 4 ohms sa 2 sd18 1700el.. 5000watts 4 ohms bridge :razz:

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« Reply #34 on: January 22, 2012, 09:12:49 AM »
yung nsa website ng phonic,kulay itim na yung xp5000,available na kaya dito sa pinas.

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« Reply #35 on: January 22, 2012, 12:42:53 PM »
B0z Ja mer0n na din yta Ph0nic Xp5100. Nasa 47k  :)

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« Reply #36 on: January 22, 2012, 03:03:03 PM »
pero baka mas maganda ang protection nitong xp5000 boz, kaysa crell ca20.  si sir jojo matagal ng gumagamit ng xp5000 in 4 ohms bridge at ok pa till now ung xp5000 nya,,,   


Brad, tanong ko lang - kung ang set-up mo ay naka- 4 ohms bridge mono, kung sa 4 na 18", bali 2 phonic xp5000 ang kailangan mo di ba?

Sabi niyo dito ang phonic xp5000 ay nasa 42,000 @, kung dalawang amps ang gagamitin mo, bali 84,000 na ang total.  Apat na 18" lang ang magagamit.

Di ba mapapamahal ka pa sa ganitong set-up?


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« Reply #37 on: January 22, 2012, 08:45:40 PM »
ako naman mga sir gamit ko for sub duty is 2 qsc rmx 1850HD na nka bridge mode powering 2 dual 18s na sub(1200W 4ohms), so far ok naman reliability nya. mas cheaper alternative kung bibili ako ng rmx4050.  both units cost just around 55K(rmx 1850) compared to 80K na rmx 4050. medyo mabigat nga lang ang downside

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« Reply #38 on: January 23, 2012, 10:20:46 AM »
ako naman mga sir gamit ko for sub duty is 2 qsc rmx 1850HD na nka bridge mode powering 2 dual 18s na sub(1200W 4ohms), so far ok naman reliability nya. mas cheaper alternative kung bibili ako ng rmx4050.  both units cost just around 55K(rmx 1850) compared to 80K na rmx 4050. medyo mabigat nga lang ang downside

Durability = QSC  :-D :-D

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« Reply #39 on: January 24, 2012, 07:19:44 PM »
Brad, tanong ko lang - kung ang set-up mo ay naka- 4 ohms bridge mono, kung sa 4 na 18", bali 2 phonic xp5000 ang kailangan mo di ba?

Sabi niyo dito ang phonic xp5000 ay nasa 42,000 @, kung dalawang amps ang gagamitin mo, bali 84,000 na ang total.  Apat na 18" lang ang magagamit.

Di ba mapapamahal ka pa sa ganitong set-up?
para sa  mga matataas n wattage na speaker sir.. like sd18 1700el, or crown jh186.  para mapapalabas talaga yong tunay n lakas ng speaker, sayang nman ung lakas ng speaker kung di mapapalabas,     mapapamahal nga lang e at least busog nman ung speaker  :) :)
« Last Edit: January 24, 2012, 07:24:38 PM by mants »

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« Reply #40 on: January 24, 2012, 07:54:13 PM »
I did ask Kolin by email about my Sventa MA10 if you could use it mono bridged at 4 ohms, i got an answer from Raymond Lim from Kolin:

He replied:

it can be bridgeable

Thats all..................

What does it mean Mr. Lim?
We know it can be bridged but the question was "would it be ok to use it 4 ohms mono bridged"  :-(

Still no sure answer about the MA 10 for being bridgeable without blowing it  at 4 ohms.................... <_<

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« Reply #41 on: January 24, 2012, 08:31:49 PM »
I did ask Kolin by email about my Sventa MA10 if you could use it mono bridged at 4 ohms, i got an answer from Raymond Lim from Kolin:

He replied:

it can be bridgeable

Thats all..................

What does it mean Mr. Lim?
We know it can be bridged but the question was "would it be ok to use it 4 ohms mono bridged"  :-(

Still no sure answer about the MA 10 for being bridgeable without blowing it  at 4 ohms.................... <_<
napakatipid nman ng sagot nila sayo sir... madali lang naman yong tanong nyo,,, di ba nila kayang ipaliwanag ng malinaw. para naman maintindihan ng mga customer nila,

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« Reply #42 on: January 24, 2012, 09:04:27 PM »
napakatipid nman ng sagot nila sayo sir... madali lang naman yong tanong nyo,,, di ba nila kayang ipaliwanag ng malinaw. para naman maintindihan ng mga customer nila,


baka di nya rin kasi alam :)
dapat cguro ung techcinal nila. . .

pro tingin ko mga sir pwde namn sa 4omphs yan bsta stable kuryente mo, for example naka AVR kau. . tapos bantayan lang ung mga ilaw nya. . mag clip namn cguro yan pag hirap xa e.

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« Reply #43 on: January 25, 2012, 05:52:29 AM »


pro tingin ko mga sir pwde namn sa 4omphs yan bsta stable kuryente mo, for example naka AVR kau. . tapos bantayan lang ung mga ilaw nya. . mag clip namn cguro yan pag hirap xa e.

hahahaha as in bantayan sir? doon na lang tayo sa sigurado na hindi na bantayan.. bumaba man ang kuryente down to 200-190volts kaya nya pa ei sustain....anyway may sventa pa ba sa market?

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« Reply #44 on: January 25, 2012, 06:58:24 AM »
hahahaha as in bantayan sir? doon na lang tayo sa sigurado na hindi na bantayan.. bumaba man ang kuryente down to 200-190volts kaya nya pa ei sustain....anyway may sventa pa ba sa market?
meron pa din sventa sir ngaun maVenta pa nga eh at tumaas pa ang presyo hehe,, dati 25k net price nya ngaun 28k na :)
« Last Edit: January 25, 2012, 07:11:21 AM by mants »

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« Reply #45 on: January 25, 2012, 01:42:28 PM »
meron pa din sventa sir ngaun maVenta pa nga eh at tumaas pa ang presyo hehe,, dati 25k net price nya ngaun 28k na :)


ok sa rhymes ah sventa-maventa , lufet ng price increase ah..
« Last Edit: January 25, 2012, 01:45:06 PM by barracks01 »

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« Reply #46 on: January 25, 2012, 03:00:18 PM »
meron pa din sventa sir ngaun maVenta pa nga eh at tumaas pa ang presyo hehe,, dati 25k net price nya ngaun 28k na :)
anung model un 28k na bro?. ma-10 or ma-14 ba yan? thanks

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« Reply #47 on: January 25, 2012, 04:40:33 PM »
anung model un 28k na bro?. ma-10 or ma-14 ba yan? thanks
Ma10 sir. yong ma14 nakapagtanong ako 1 year n ang lumipas nasa 36k so maybe tumaas na din cguro ngaun..                                                                                                                                                                                               

ok sa rhymes ah sventa-maventa , lufet ng price increase ah..
oo nga sir, pero may nakapagsabi sa akin na tinaasan daw yong specs ng Ma10 kaya cguro tumaas din ang price, pero sa website ng kolin ganon parin naman wala namang nagbago,,,so maybe kuro kuro lang,,,
« Last Edit: January 25, 2012, 04:44:29 PM by mants »

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« Reply #48 on: January 25, 2012, 08:14:25 PM »
Ma10 sir. yong ma14 nakapagtanong ako 1 year n ang lumipas nasa 36k so maybe tumaas na din cguro ngaun..                                                                                                                                                                                                oo nga sir, pero may nakapagsabi sa akin na tinaasan daw yong specs ng Ma10 kaya cguro tumaas din ang price, pero sa website ng kolin ganon parin naman wala namang nagbago,,,so maybe kuro kuro lang,,,

Mga sir totoo tumaas talaga ang ma10 tinaas na ng kolin last year pa! May balita na kasi hindi na mabenta ang mga crell , marami raw ang mga sira sa mga crell ngayon. Umuusok kasi ito ng bigla nagiging smoke machine :-D

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« Reply #49 on: January 25, 2012, 09:41:02 PM »
Mga sir totoo tumaas talaga ang ma10 tinaas na ng kolin last year pa! May balita na kasi hindi na mabenta ang mga crell , marami raw ang mga sira sa mga crell ngayon. Umuusok kasi ito ng bigla nagiging smoke machine :-D

Mas mabaBang seRies pa nga ang SVenta nimahalan pa  :nosebleed: