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paano kung tatay mo nakagasgas..which happened to me a few days ago kaya di ako makatulog at makakain lately..just brought it and left it to their house..nag mall  lang kami..pagbalik..ayun...A HUGE WOOD DEEP DENT!.... :-(  pinipilit kong ipasok at ibaon yung sama ng loob sa GUT ko...waaaahhh...


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Anybody tried STEAMING dents out using a wet piece of cloth and soldering iron?|

http://guitargarage.blogspot.com/2008/11/how-to-steaming-out-dents-in-guitar.html

How To: Steaming out dents in guitar bodies
I wanted to write a post on a technique I've been using for about the last year to remove dings and dents in guitar bodies.

I want to emphasize that this only works for cases where the wood is simply compressed and it will not work for chips, where the wood is actually missing.

The idea is to get water into the dented, compressed wood and then heat it up with a soldering iron until steam is formed, which will then expand and swell out the compressed wood.

The example in this case is a 1966 Fender Jazz Bass body, made of alder. There are two dents I'm going to work on here - one is a sharp dent along the upper edge of the body and the other is a more rounded ding on the side. They are both plainly visible in the picture.


The dented areas are first generously wetted with water - let it soak in for a few minutes at least - and then rewet.


The a cotton cloth is dipped in water, and the wet part is applied over the dent. The tip of a hot soldering iron is pressed against the wet cloth and rolled around a bit. There should be plenty of steam as you do this - otherwise your soldering iron isn't hot enough or you don't have enough water.



This process should be repeated until the dent has popped out - with lots of added water to the wood and cloth each time and allowing the soldering iron to heat up again. I steamed these dents about 4 times over a 10 minute period.

As you can see - the dents are still visible - but the have popped out til they are almost even with the surface. Once this body is sealed, primed and sanded they shouldn't be visible at all.



The second view better illustrates how the dents have been expanded out to near the original contours.



I've used this technique on alder, ash and mahogany bodies - I haven't tried it on a harder wood such as maple - it may not work because it may be hard for the moisture to penetrate the wood to get the required steaming action - but who knows, maybe it will work ?

I do this on my builds and refins. Hot iron on a damp cloth.

I'm not the most careful guy around. Hahaha!
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as a gigging guy i think those first dents,scratches etc...is the least of my worries...i had myself a high end guitar late last year and gigged it right out of the box and used for the remaining gig dates that year...i gotten over the first scratches right away whenever i play the hell out of it

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Anybody tried STEAMING dents out using a wet piece of cloth and soldering iron?|

http://guitargarage.blogspot.com/2008/11/how-to-steaming-out-dents-in-guitar.html

How To: Steaming out dents in guitar bodies
I wanted to write a post on a technique I've been using for about the last year to remove dings and dents in guitar bodies.

I want to emphasize that this only works for cases where the wood is simply compressed and it will not work for chips, where the wood is actually missing.

The idea is to get water into the dented, compressed wood and then heat it up with a soldering iron until steam is formed, which will then expand and swell out the compressed wood.

The example in this case is a 1966 Fender Jazz Bass body, made of alder. There are two dents I'm going to work on here - one is a sharp dent along the upper edge of the body and the other is a more rounded ding on the side. They are both plainly visible in the picture.


The dented areas are first generously wetted with water - let it soak in for a few minutes at least - and then rewet.


The a cotton cloth is dipped in water, and the wet part is applied over the dent. The tip of a hot soldering iron is pressed against the wet cloth and rolled around a bit. There should be plenty of steam as you do this - otherwise your soldering iron isn't hot enough or you don't have enough water.



This process should be repeated until the dent has popped out - with lots of added water to the wood and cloth each time and allowing the soldering iron to heat up again. I steamed these dents about 4 times over a 10 minute period.

As you can see - the dents are still visible - but the have popped out til they are almost even with the surface. Once this body is sealed, primed and sanded they shouldn't be visible at all.



The second view better illustrates how the dents have been expanded out to near the original contours.



I've used this technique on alder, ash and mahogany bodies - I haven't tried it on a harder wood such as maple - it may not work because it may be hard for the moisture to penetrate the wood to get the required steaming action - but who knows, maybe it will work ?
I added to it by pricking a very tiny hole over the center of the dent to allow the steam to enter, seems to work better with the hole not so noticeable afterwards.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2012, 06:46:27 AM by alalala »
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usually they use this method on Acoustics...ok din ba yung steam Iron technique on Polyurethane finished dents? nakanto siya parang pinalo ng back of a knife...arghh...nakakaluha isispin padin..hahaha
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at first I was like  :-( then I thought, hey this could be a start of something interesting  :-\

then I was like  :razz: my guitar's relic'd! :D

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usually they use this method on Acoustics...ok din ba yung steam Iron technique on Polyurethane finished dents? nakanto siya parang pinalo ng back of a knife...arghh...nakakaluha isispin padin..hahaha

You need to scrape off the finish first (especially urethane!) for this to work effectively.
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At first I was like " [strawberry] ", then "let's get it on"!

Wears-and-tears are obviously unavoidable since I bought my guitar to be played. But that doesn't mean neglect after the first dent.
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at first I was like  :-( then I thought, hey this could be a start of something interesting  :-\

then I was like  :razz: my guitar's relic'd! :D

Win. Epic use of smiley.  :wave:

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yan na ang simula nang pagiging distressed nya  :-D

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Win. Epic use of smiley.  :wave:

happy new year  :wave:

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Ayoko lang pala na ibang tao ang gumagasgas sa gitara ko. Hehe.

Funny, but true. I'd be more worried about them dropping it and structurally damaging the guitar though.

Kadalasan, di naman ako nagpapahiram. Apart from people messing with my string life, it's simply a precaution.

I don't care about my scratches. Basta walang structural damage. It's meant to be played.

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for the guitars i'm using, ok lang mga dings , dents, chips, and scrathces. wag lang sa neck.

for the ones i'm selling, its not ok. bumababa  resale value.

 

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I have had a couple of guys in the past sending me totally brand new guitars (as in kasama pa yung receipt yung iba) straight from the store to have them aged, some do it for the trip, the others say they don't like the looks of a brand new guitar, beats me. I even had someone have me refinish the guitar to a new color THEN age it. he he.. Ok lang siguro as these people had other guitars, baka gusto lang ng variety sa collection nila.
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this one's quite hard to get through. minsan nakaka walang gana mag-gitara pag naaalala mo siya at mas lalo pag nakikita. para bang athlete ka na may blemish yung record mo.  :eek:

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I always think of my guitars as an extension of my arm... so any wound it has, I have them to... I just tend to think of it as battle scars that life gives me, to egg me to keep playing on.

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Masakit talaga. Lalo na pag mamahaling gitara. Lagyan mo na lang ng sticker. Style it. Parang band-aid :eek:

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pagnagasgasan, i-relic'd mo na ng tuluyan para sabay sa trend  :-P
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I'd like to see somebody force relic a  Gustaff.. he he.
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haha naalala ko yun unang dent ng first guitar ko, kasi mula sa waist ko nalaglag yun gitara ko sa sahig (damn cheap strap). bigla nalang ako pinagpawisan ng malamig :-(
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Every scar of a guitar has a story to tell from its owners. One time try to sit down with your axe then mapapangiti ka nalang remembering how had you made every one of it.

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Every scar of a guitar has a story to tell from its owners. One time try to sit down with your axe then mapapangiti ka nalang remembering how had you made every one of it.


actually this is true...I kept track of the battle scars of my old gigging guitar..memories..there was this time we were playing at some cheapo gig in Caloocan..but it had an awesome amps and gear....we were so absorbed by our playing..I was jumping like mad and the lower horn hit the corner of a speaker box right on the screw head..crushed wood..hahaha but it doesnt bother me at all anymore..I guess its just the anxiety of dinging a new guitar thats the hardest to get over
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After the first few dents and scratches, dedma na yung mga kasunod, after which sometimes you actually look forward to the guitar turning into a relic.
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