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« Reply #775 on: June 29, 2015, 03:26:40 PM »
Interesting stuff about the Sultans. You know those earth-colored bands of unlathed metal? It looks brown coz the finishing process "baked-in" the dirt that comes with hand hammering cymbals. In reality, it can range from black, tothe same golden bronze color, or pink!

Check out these pics of my Sultan hi hats. I cleaned them both with soap and water, then I treated half of the cymbal with the half slice of lemon plus salt scrub cleaning technique. It revealed the true colors of the cymbals! The top hat's unlathed portion had a light brown color with black hammer marks, while the bottom hat had pink metal with brown and black hammer marks.

Interesting! And a fair warning to those who would want to try the lemon+salt, ketchup, or vinegar cleaning techniques. Save those for the fully-lathed models  :) It's also a nice experiment for those with Sultans and Turks who want an even more exotic finish for their pies  :-D If anyone can explain the science of this pink metal phenomenon, thats cool too!  8-)

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The right side has been treated with the lemon and salt spa


Detail of the pink spots in the top hat


Bottom Hi Hat
The right side has been treated with the lemon and salt spa
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« Reply #776 on: June 29, 2015, 03:37:13 PM »
but but but you paid for the dirt? its part of the sound. why?  :cry:

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« Reply #777 on: June 29, 2015, 04:01:24 PM »
but but but you paid for the dirt? its part of the sound. why?  :cry:

first encounter was by accident  :lol: I was cleaning my Stagg SH splash and china, tapos sabi ko, "wow ok effective pala yung lemon plus salt scrub nagiging shiny ulit sya, pati sa B8 nawawala yung tarnish. siguro ok na kahit once or twice a year tapos periodic cleaning to keep the sheen." Then I figured ah baka ok dun sa Sultan ride kasi may mga huge black stain sya galing sa cymbal mutes na ginamit ng forumite na pinagbilhan ko, gusto ko mabalik sa original finish yung cymbal. so yun scrub scrub scrub tapos WHOAH PINK tapos WHOAH PURO LIBAGuna nagpanic ako tapos sabi ko wait lang ang cool naman pala mas raw tingnan. pero ang pangit pag isa lang yung ganun kasi halata na may nagawa ako na mali, so pati yung hats dinamay ko na  :lol: yung crash lang yung di ko dinamay gusto ko i-trade  :wink:

Sound wise, para syang naging HH to HHX or something  :lol: I like the effect on the ride, sa hats di ko pa napapansin. I actually like my ride even better :razz:
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« Reply #778 on: June 29, 2015, 04:11:03 PM »
first encounter was by accident  :lol: I was cleaning my Stagg SH splash and china, tapos sabi ko, "wow ok effective pala yung lemon plus salt scrub nagiging shiny ulit sya, pati sa B8 nawawala yung tarnish. siguro ok na kahit once or twice a year tapos periodic cleaning to keep the sheen." Then I figured ah baka ok dun sa Sultan ride kasi may mga stain sya galing sa cymbal mutes na ginamit ng forumite na pinagbilhan ko. so yun scrub scrub scrub tapos WHOAH PINK tapos WHOAH PURO LIBAGuna nagpanic ako tapos sabi ko wait lang ang cool naman pala mas raw tingnan. pero ang pangit pag isa lang yung ganun kasi halata na may nagawa ako na mali, so pati yung hats dinamay ko na  :lol: yung crash lang yung di ko dinamay gusto ko i-trade  :wink:

Sound wise, para syang naging HH to HHX or something  :lol: I like the effect on the ride, sa hats di ko pa napapansin. I actually like my ride even better :razz:

kahit di na siguro salt, lemon lang o kalamansi matapang na e.

salt and lemon are both corrosive, if you love your pies, stop cleaning them hehehe (personal opinion lang po)

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« Reply #779 on: June 29, 2015, 04:13:30 PM »
actually natatawa rin ako sa mga cymbal cleaning threads. nagiging mad scientist lahat e. kung ano ano naiisip na ipang linis  :-\

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« Reply #780 on: June 29, 2015, 04:21:30 PM »
kahit di na siguro salt, lemon lang o kalamansi matapang na e.

salt and lemon are both corrosive, if you love your pies, stop cleaning them hehehe (personal opinion lang po)
actually natatawa rin ako sa mga cymbal cleaning threads. nagiging mad scientist lahat e. kung ano ano naiisip na ipang linis  :-\

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na-OC kasi ako dun sa drum mute stain, parang mukhang di alaga katulad nung mga Avedis na luma at may patina pero whoahhh vintage. eh yun  :eek: I said, might as well linisin ko na lahat para sabay sila mag-age nang maayos  :) iniisip ko nga kung safe or ay sense ba na gamitan ko ng car wax or furniture spray (pledge) para di naman puro na lang libag ng hangin ng cainta ang aging ng cymbals ko  :lol:

kagabi naisip ko nga pano kung ihian ko yung mga sultans baka mag-iba ng kulay yung metal dahil sa sobrang acid plus mag-interact sa metal yung minerals sa ihi  :lol:
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« Reply #781 on: June 29, 2015, 07:40:04 PM »
I love the funky series when it comes to hi hats. :-) 12 or 13" .

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« Reply #782 on: June 29, 2015, 10:12:10 PM »
naiba ba character? huhu i dont clean my cymbals talaga,haha
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« Reply #783 on: June 29, 2015, 10:29:43 PM »
I guess it's a matter of personal preference. Some like their cymbals shiny and clean while some leave them as they are...I was almost bent on cleaning my cymbals, bumili na nga ako ng cymbal cleaner around 2 years ago...but for some reason it's still unopened. After reading threads about cymbal cleaning, I just decided to leave my istanbuls alone, ngayon may patina na ang hats, tingin ko di ko na sila ibebenta parang one of a kind na e.

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« Reply #784 on: June 30, 2015, 08:34:49 AM »
naiba ba character? huhu i dont clean my cymbals talaga,haha

nag-iba yung character nung sultans na nilinis ko. hindi na lasang lupa. kumbaga kung HH sya naging HHX  :lol:
Yung crash soap and water lang para matanggal yung sobrang kapal na dust, di naman nag-iba yung character. lasang lupa pa rin  :lol:

I still love them though! I don't think I'll sell my ride ever  :)
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« Reply #785 on: January 26, 2016, 06:49:32 PM »
Just got my Samatya Set (14"HH, 16"C, 20"R), last week kaso napansin ko tabingi yung crash and ride.  Got the crash replaced last week and currently waiting for the ride replacement this week.  Will post pics soon.  Sa wakas, nakawala na sa anino ni Planet Z.  :-D :lol:

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« Reply #786 on: January 27, 2016, 08:25:03 AM »
Just got my Samatya Set (14"HH, 16"C, 20"R), last week kaso napansin ko tabingi yung crash and ride.  Got the crash replaced last week and currently waiting for the ride replacement this week.  Will post pics soon.  Sa wakas, nakawala na sa anino ni Planet Z.  :-D :lol:
seryoso bro panung tabingi? keyhole? or yung cymbal mismo?
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« Reply #787 on: January 27, 2016, 09:13:02 AM »
seryoso bro panung tabingi? keyhole? or yung cymbal mismo?


dented siguro. may mga nakikita nga akong cymbals sa lazer na may dent or warping. siguro dahil sa shipping. ingat lang sa pagpili.
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« Reply #788 on: January 27, 2016, 09:29:50 AM »
seryoso bro panung tabingi? keyhole? or yung cymbal mismo?

No keyhole or dents or kahit chip offs, yun ang tinignan ko maigi, ung nga lang di ko nacheck yung distribution ng weight ng cymbal, since lahat ng mga nabili kong cymbal set dati for church eh wala namang naging issue na ganun (kahit yung former Planet Z ko, hehehe).  Nung una akala ko mali angle ng cymbal stand ko pero nung diniretso ko yung angle (90 Degrees) at nilagay yung crash pumapaling sa kaliwa, kahit anong gawing ikot mo sa cymbals, yung ride naman sa kanan, not sure kung uneven yung bigat or mali pwesto ng hole.  Kahit sa daliri itest pumapaling eh, as tested by Lazer staff himself.  Nagulat nga din yung staff ng Lazer, first time daw nilang nakakita ng pumapaling na samatya hehe.  Wala namang issue sa hihats.  Inasikaso naman agad ng Lazer yung request ko na palitan, kudos to them.
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« Reply #789 on: January 27, 2016, 09:37:24 AM »
No keyhole or dents or kahit chip offs, yun ang tinignan ko maigi, ung nga lang di ko nacheck yung distribution ng weight ng cymbal, since lahat ng mga nabili kong cymbal set dati for church eh wala namang naging issue na ganun (kahit yung former Planet Z ko, hehehe).  Nung una akala ko mali angle ng cymbal stand ko pero nung diniretso ko yung angle (90 Degrees) at nilagay yung crash pumapaling sa kaliwa, kahit anong gawing ikot mo sa cymbals, yung ride naman sa kanan, not sure kung uneven yung bigat or mali pwesto ng hole.  Kahit sa daliri itest pumapaling eh, as tested by Lazer staff himself.  Nagulat nga din yung staff ng Lazer, first time daw nilang nakakita ng pumapaling na samatya hehe.  Wala namang issue sa hihats.  Inasikaso naman agad ng Lazer yung request ko na palitan, kudos to them.


buti nalang mabait yung tao sa lazer paps! yung madalas ko makitang ganyan mga Wuhan. hahahaha
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« Reply #790 on: January 27, 2016, 10:05:09 AM »
Mabait naman yung mga taga-Alimall.  Siguro ito yung isa sa mga cons ng "hand-made" compared sa mga machine made na hehehe.  Kelangan i-double check isa-isa yung cymbals kung even yung distribution ng weight.  Sarap sa tenga ng tunog, wala ng tunog lata haha.

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« Reply #791 on: January 27, 2016, 10:30:05 AM »
Mabait naman yung mga taga-Alimall.  Siguro ito yung isa sa mga cons ng "hand-made" compared sa mga machine made na hehehe.  Kelangan i-double check isa-isa yung cymbals kung even yung distribution ng weight.  Sarap sa tenga ng tunog, wala ng tunog lata haha.


ay kaya naman pala hahaha mababait nga yung taga alimall. libre testing dun eh. :D

oo paps. kailangan metikuloso tayo sa pagpili. hindi mura ang cymbals eh HAHAHA

congrats sa purchase mo paps!
hahaha ako binibiyak ko muna yung wetpaks para makita kung may yellow thingy hahahaha

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« Reply #792 on: January 27, 2016, 11:36:52 AM »
Thanks! :)

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« Reply #793 on: January 31, 2016, 04:33:29 PM »

Mabait naman yung mga taga-Alimall.  Siguro ito yung isa sa mga cons ng "hand-made" compared sa mga machine made na hehehe.  Kelangan i-double check isa-isa yung cymbals kung even yung distribution ng weight.  Sarap sa tenga ng tunog, wala ng tunog lata haha.

Ok lang yan! While ideal na even ang weight distribution, kahit naman sa golden era ng Zildjian ganun din. Yung Sultan crash ko tabingi rin. Yung ride ko naman even pero hindi balance ang weight distribution. Sa crash walang kaso yung tabingi, pero sa ride depende, lalo na Kung yung mas mababa na side yung Hindi sweet spot.


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« Reply #794 on: April 29, 2016, 11:17:07 PM »
I've been lookin for a dark ride of the unlathed kind. I found two which i liked: namely the Origin dark ride VS. Turk jazz ride. Now i'm curious as to which is the higher spec cymbal. They sound very similar, except that the origin has more "wash" whereas the turk is drier. Pero they almost feel like the same cymbal. Which is the better cymbal? Pros & cons? I know i should use my ears, but they sound the same the more i hit em. Maybe the experts have more experience, cause i sure as hell can barely distinguish.

Been googling to no avail so i'm postin the question here in case. Kahit yun staff sa lazer actually have no idea when i asked. Nag-google din sila pero wala rin info. Maybe anyone can enlighten me? Which is the higher end?

Thanks mga istanbul experts!
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« Reply #795 on: May 01, 2016, 10:06:01 AM »
Sir the best people to ask are those from istanbul mehmet. Try sending an email to Mr. Bulent Akbay,Product Specialist & Artist Relations Manager. His email address- artrep@istanbulmehmet.com. He has helped me before.

Offhand the origin is more expensive sa net, so based on the price it may be the higher end cymbal.

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« Reply #796 on: May 01, 2016, 06:48:38 PM »
I did send a message direct through the istanbul site. No reply as yet. Sige email ko na din. Thanks for the email sir!

Slightly prefer the origin cause it produces a sweet overtone vs the turk na dry. Pero it could be my noob ear. I do notice that seasoned drummers more often than not prefer dark cymbals whereas noobs like myself go for brighter trashier stuff.  Will listen with a fresh pair of ears soon.

Sir the best people to ask are those from istanbul mehmet. Try sending an email to Mr. Bulent Akbay,Product Specialist & Artist Relations Manager. His email address- artrep@istanbulmehmet.com. He has helped me before.

Offhand the origin is more expensive sa net, so based on the price it may be the higher end cymbal.
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« Reply #797 on: May 02, 2016, 09:56:12 AM »
Get the origin. in a live setting, the turk will be overpowered lalo na kung hindi mellow genre ang tugtugan mo. you would need that overtone from the origin sa mga bigger venue.
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« Reply #798 on: May 02, 2016, 12:19:33 PM »
Get the origin. in a live setting, the turk will be overpowered lalo na kung hindi mellow genre ang tugtugan mo. you would need that overtone from the origin sa mga bigger venue.

Thanks! Pero how is the consistency of the hand hammered stuff? Isa lang usually ang models so hindi makakapili among the same models. Pero i also compared the origin vs turk in a different lazer branch naman, parang pareho lang sa pandinig ko yun differences & characteristics ng dalawa. My question is should i be choosing between the origin dark in different branches?  I mean meron bang mas maganda or negligible yun? Too much google is bad for you!
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« Reply #799 on: May 02, 2016, 12:46:20 PM »
Thanks! Pero how is the consistency of the hand hammered stuff? Isa lang usually ang models so hindi makakapili among the same models. Pero i also compared the origin vs turk in a different lazer branch naman, parang pareho lang sa pandinig ko yun differences & characteristics ng dalawa. My question is should i be choosing between the origin dark in different branches?  I mean meron bang mas maganda or negligible yun? Too much google is bad for you!


just get the one that most appeals to your ears.
hahaha ako binibiyak ko muna yung wetpaks para makita kung may yellow thingy hahahaha