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Offline spacejam

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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2012, 10:20:07 PM »
@ tjlimjoco

Bro, whatever they claim to be this or that, I think you already substantiated your point on the speaker engineering issue like what you said about Fane and Faital Pro.  Nice point raised.   :-) :-)

So ibig ba sabihin sir... Walang speaker engineering Ang precision device and void.. Di sila updated?
Young bago nilang speaker PD 1851 naka sulat sa webistr nila eh... 1000w RMS AND AES

http://www.precision-devices.com/showdetails.asp?id=86
« Last Edit: April 03, 2012, 10:27:10 PM by spacejam »

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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2012, 10:22:17 PM »
Yan bos ang "trending" ngayon - false specs !!!  :-D

sir like you said  same lang sa tingin ko sa p audio
« Last Edit: April 03, 2012, 10:23:59 PM by Audiomaster »

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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #27 on: April 03, 2012, 10:39:31 PM »
sir like you said  same lang sa tingin ko sa p audio

Sir for me naman...p.audio is better than the crowns and t&ts hence the price... But not as good as  the precision device and the nexo speakers hence also the price

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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #28 on: April 03, 2012, 11:09:45 PM »
@ tjlimjoco

Bro, whatever they claim to be this or that, I think you already substantiated your point on the speaker engineering issue like what you said about Fane and Faital Pro.  Nice point raised.   :-) :-)

Sir wag niyo icompare ang p audio at faital pro baka ho magsara ang factory ng faital pro wala nang bumili puro p audio nalang ang bilhin :-D
« Last Edit: April 03, 2012, 11:10:50 PM by Audiomaster »

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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2012, 12:04:34 AM »
I guess simply check first the manufacturer's website (kung meron) and the basic Thiele Small Parameters and perhaps some other (reputable) forums, just to have an idea about the speaker's history performance if any of us here in PhilMusic would want to invest on any speaker brand in the future.

At least we can have a better understanding on the speaker's specs and design technology.  Sa tagal at dami naman ng mga posts dito, we can learn more from the owners and users who can attest the real credibilty of a particular speaker brand. Just be patient lang to back read.
  :-) :-)


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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2012, 12:07:38 AM »
So ibig ba sabihin sir... Walang speaker engineering Ang precision device and void.. Di sila updated?
Young bago nilang speaker PD 1851 naka sulat sa webistr nila eh... 1000w RMS AND AES

http://www.precision-devices.com/showdetails.asp?id=86

No bro.  Forgot to mention this share of yours.  My apologies.  I am just being aware of this brand.  Meron ka ba nito?    :-) :-)

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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2012, 12:11:06 AM »
No bro.  Forgot to mention this share of yours.  My apologies.  I am just being aware of this brand.  Meron ka ba nito?    :-) :-)
I guess simply check first the manufacturer's website (kung meron) and the basic Thiele Small Parameters and perhaps some other (reputable) forums, just to have an idea about the speaker's history performance if any of us here in PhilMusic would want to invest on any speaker brand in the future.

At
least we can have a better understanding on the speaker's specs and design technology.  Sa tagal at dami naman ng mga posts dito, we can learn more from the owners and users who can attest the real credibilty of a particular speaker brand. Just be patient lang to back read.
  :-) :-)

Sir , Di po same Ang level ng faital pro and p. Audio. Anybody who is in the pro audio business knows that.Ang crown po and t&t have their own websites...

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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #32 on: April 04, 2012, 12:20:10 AM »
@ spacejam

Bro I think I never mentioned that Paudio and Faitalpro is on the same level.  :-) :-)

BTW please share the Crown and T&T websites so that we can view their respective specs.

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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #33 on: April 04, 2012, 12:23:36 AM »
Sir google search mo na lang :)

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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #34 on: April 04, 2012, 12:27:02 AM »
Sir google search mo na lang :)

Thanks bro for the valuable info.  Akala ko alam mo :-) :-)

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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #35 on: April 04, 2012, 12:35:38 AM »
Sir mabilis  Lang naman po yan... Type mo crown Philippines... Lalabas na po yun website nila... Then type mo neusch and t&t llamas naman po website ng sound pro
Kung tinatamad Ito na Lang po para direct...

http://www.crown.com.ph/

http://www.soundprofessionals.com.ph/

hope this helps
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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #36 on: April 04, 2012, 12:38:35 AM »
@ spacejam

Thanks  :-) :-)

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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #37 on: April 04, 2012, 12:42:56 AM »
I guess simply check first the manufacturer's website (kung meron) and the basic Thiele Small Parameters and perhaps some other (reputable) forums, just to have an idea about the speaker's history performance if any of us here in PhilMusic would want to invest on any speaker brand in the future.

At least we can have a better understanding on the speaker's specs and design technology.  Sa tagal at dami naman ng mga posts dito, we can learn more from the owners and users who can attest the real credibilty of a particular speaker brand. Just be patient lang to back read.
  :-) :-)

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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #38 on: April 04, 2012, 12:44:14 AM »
 @ king James
You're welcome  :-D

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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #39 on: April 04, 2012, 03:12:10 AM »
siguro mga sir to make the story short, lets face the fact na halos lahat naman ng gamit may hanganan. and we can't tell who's good and not. wala rin ako respeto sa K10 pero kung babasehan naman presyo nya napaka layo sa mga Crell at Lexus na yan

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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #40 on: April 04, 2012, 10:38:19 AM »
Sir mabilis  Lang naman po yan... Type mo crown Philippines... Lalabas na po yun website nila... Then type mo neusch and t&t llamas naman po website ng sound pro
Kung tinatamad Ito na Lang po para direct...

http://www.crown.com.ph/

http://www.soundprofessionals.com.ph/

hope this helps
 :-D

Salamat bro finally nakita ko na website ng neusch at T&t.. Matagal ko na search sa google peru hindi ko makita kita..   :-) :-)

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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #41 on: October 25, 2012, 01:18:06 PM »
Yan ang dating ko pang tinatnong... Alangan naman mas mataas ang watts nun sa pd1850 na precission device ? Mas malaki ang magnet nun and mas malaki ang  voice coil... 800w Lang nakasulat sa website ... I'm sure na world class materials ng mga precision device speakers...nakapagtataka...

http://www.precision-devices.com/ShowDetails.asp?id=15

 Look at the specs of the speaker Paudio Sd18-el 1700watts.  Gumagamit sila ng  square wire sa voice coil.  Mas tipid sa lugar yung square wire kaysa round wire.  Yung live anu ba ginamit na wire sa voice coil?  Kung false specs po yung Paudio, Bakit sing lakas lang yung C18-650el 1200watts 4inch coil at yung SD18-el 1200 watts 5inch coil.   

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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #42 on: October 26, 2012, 11:48:51 AM »
  Yung live anu ba ginamit na wire sa voice coil? 

Live spk use pure copper 6sn flat wire for battle 18
Our new model use titanium copper voice coil

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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #43 on: October 27, 2012, 05:33:04 AM »
Look at the specs of the speaker Paudio Sd18-el 1700watts.  Gumagamit sila ng  square wire sa voice coil.  Mas tipid sa lugar yung square wire kaysa round wire.  Yung live anu ba ginamit na wire sa voice coil?  Kung false specs po yung Paudio, Bakit sing lakas lang yung C18-650el 1200watts 4inch coil at yung SD18-el 1200 watts 5inch coil.   

 Hnd lng wattage ng speaker basehan ng lakas. Higher wattage speaker are mostly loaded to bass reflex cab to achieve high spl. In a horn design box is a different story hnd wattage ang hinahanap nyan, a 600 to 1000 watt with hi xmax at bl, low qts, ok na yan. Speaker are rated at thermal watt hnd katulad sa amplifier kaya the higher the watts the higher the compression.

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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #44 on: October 27, 2012, 07:11:46 AM »
Hnd lng wattage ng speaker basehan ng lakas. Higher wattage speaker are mostly loaded to bass reflex cab to achieve high spl. In a horn design box is a different story hnd wattage ang hinahanap nyan, a 600 to 1000 watt with hi xmax at bl, low qts, ok na yan. Speaker are rated at thermal watt hnd katulad sa amplifier kaya the higher the watts the higher the compression.
sir sa horn loaded box like WSX some are using JH186 , Lexus, Live, C18 1200wtts ,IMF 18B, SD18el ,sa mga local at china speakers karamihan ay walang tayong makikitang TS parameters ,so papaano po kaya natin malalaman kung anong local at china speakers ang match sa wsx , yong Paudio meron TS parameter sa site nila..
« Last Edit: October 27, 2012, 07:30:34 AM by mants »

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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #45 on: October 27, 2012, 09:06:48 AM »
Live spk have TS parameters inside the box , sir jojo already made some wsx box for our spk

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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #46 on: October 27, 2012, 09:53:55 AM »
Hnd lng wattage ng speaker basehan ng lakas. Higher wattage speaker are mostly loaded to bass reflex cab to achieve high spl. In a horn design box is a different story hnd wattage ang hinahanap nyan, a 600 to 1000 watt with hi xmax at bl, low qts, ok na yan. Speaker are rated at thermal watt hnd katulad sa amplifier kaya the higher the watts the higher the compression.
   Yung sound output po yung sinasabi ko yung actual sound po.  May nakarinig dito na yung C18-650el 1200 watts ay sing lakas or mas malakas ng kaunti sa SD18-EL 1000watts sa parehong amp at box.  Ako mismo nakarinig rin ng comparison nila. 

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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #47 on: October 27, 2012, 12:14:21 PM »
   Yung sound output po yung sinasabi ko yung actual sound po.  May nakarinig dito na yung C18-650el 1200 watts ay sing lakas or mas malakas ng kaunti sa SD18-EL 1000watts sa parehong amp at box.  Ako mismo nakarinig rin ng comparison nila.
Tama ka brad. Yun nabili ko na SD18EL 5" VCOIL 1000W kay Sir Jef dito sa Philmusic pina demo ko sa kaibigan namin na meron bagong C18 650EL 4" VCOIL 1200W.  Halos parehas ang lakas.  Ang amp ko muna ginamit na RMX5050 at next yun CRELL CA20 din ng kaibigan ko.  Ang maganda sa bagong C18 ay magaan lang.  Ang lumang SD18EL sobrang bigat at umaangal lagi yun mga boys!

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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #48 on: October 27, 2012, 12:40:18 PM »
sir Max_C kamusta tunog ng rmx 5050 at kumpara sa crell ca-20?

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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #49 on: October 27, 2012, 01:10:50 PM »
sir Max_C kamusta tunog ng rmx 5050 at kumpara sa crell ca-20?
Brad parehas malakas ang 2 amps pero kung sa sound quality ang pag-uusapan, malaki ang lamang ng RMX5050. 

Sa patagalan ng paggamit, ang CA20 kapag umiiinit na, napapansin namin humihina ang bayo.  Sa RMX5050 consistent ang lakas ng bayo.

Sa speaker protection naman, bagsak dito ang CA20. Dami nasibak samin na speakers. Hindi ko lang alam sa mga bagong batch ng CA20 kung ok na sila.