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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #50 on: October 27, 2012, 06:07:45 PM »
Live spk have TS parameters inside the box , sir jojo already made some wsx box for our spk
napanood ko dati sir sa youtube yong testeng ng WSX ng masterfix loaded ng storm @ 20k saka live batle 18 sa sobrang lakas ng speaker at amps ay napapalakad yong box,,ganon po ba ka lakas yong live speaker,,

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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #51 on: October 28, 2012, 12:14:54 AM »
napanood ko dati sir sa youtube yong testeng ng WSX ng masterfix loaded ng storm @ 20k saka live batle 18 sa sobrang lakas ng speaker at amps ay napapalakad yong box,,ganon po ba ka lakas yong live speaker,,
Anung amp ang ginamit?

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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #52 on: October 28, 2012, 03:31:08 AM »
sir sa horn loaded box like WSX some are using JH186 , Lexus, Live, C18 1200wtts ,IMF 18B, SD18el ,sa mga local at china speakers karamihan ay walang tayong makikitang TS parameters ,so papaano po kaya natin malalaman kung anong local at china speakers ang match sa wsx , yong Paudio meron TS parameter sa site nila..
Karamihan myrun pero mga basic lng binigay at pwding makuha yn ibang values by deriving and computing. Search nu sa net yan formula kng panu makuha dami site dyan. Yn xmax ng driver sa loob sukatin ang vc length at gap height then subtract then divide by 2. Masukat lng pg inalis yn vc. About china speaker malalaki lng mga magnet kaya normaly mataas ang BL value at pg mataas BL normaly mababa dn yn qts  value kaya mdyo ok na ilagay sa mga horn box.kahinaan lng pg  malamg humahataw pa pero pg ilang oras na at uminit na malaki na ang loss o power compression, mataas yn compresion ratio kaya kht mg gain ka pa sa amp at mixer d na lalakas. D ba naeexperience nio to mga bro, sinabayan pa ng china amp na pg umiinit humuhina dn, d lalong humina pa.hehehe

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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #53 on: October 28, 2012, 07:10:10 AM »
Anung amp ang ginamit?
Live Fet3000 yong amps na ginamit sir,, live battle 18 at live tsunami @20k yong speaker

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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #54 on: October 28, 2012, 08:53:55 AM »
Karamihan myrun pero mga basic lng binigay at pwding makuha yn ibang values by deriving and computing. Search nu sa net yan formula kng panu makuha dami site dyan. Yn xmax ng driver sa loob sukatin ang vc length at gap height then subtract then divide by 2. Masukat lng pg inalis yn vc. About china speaker malalaki lng mga magnet kaya normaly mataas ang BL value at pg mataas BL normaly mababa dn yn qts  value kaya mdyo ok na ilagay sa mga horn box.kahinaan lng pg  malamg humahataw pa pero pg ilang oras na at uminit na malaki na ang loss o power compression, mataas yn compresion ratio kaya kht mg gain ka pa sa amp at mixer d na lalakas. D ba naeexperience nio to mga bro, sinabayan pa ng china amp na pg umiinit humuhina dn, d lalong humina pa.hehehe

It depends on the materials used like cone, damper and voice coil.. Also the cooling system. And the design ng speaker. Just because malaki magnet but the materials used are sub stanndard.. Walang kwenta...  Pero Kung world class quality Ang materials ginamit I'm sure na maganda po yan. Taob pati po neo speakers ng branded... Malaking factor po Kung malaking magnet and malaking voice coil... Pero you better need a big amp to drive the speaker...


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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #55 on: October 28, 2012, 12:14:51 PM »
It depends on the materials used like cone, damper and voice coil.. Also the cooling system. And the design ng speaker. Just because malaki magnet but the materials used are sub stanndard.. Walang kwenta...  Pero Kung world class quality Ang materials ginamit I'm sure na maganda po yan. Taob pati po neo speakers ng branded... Malaking factor po Kung malaking magnet and malaking voice coil... Pero you better need a big amp to drive the speaker...
doon nalang ako sir sa 220mm magnet size at 4"VC pero branded naman at cgurado ang mga materyales na ginamit at dina din kailangan ng malakas na amps na pang drive...maybe sa iloilo kailangan nila talaga ng malalaking magnet at VC na speaker kc nag babattle sila doon,,at kaya yata lumabas  ngayon yong mga 6" VC at 300mm magnet size ay para doon sa taga iloilo  :-D

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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #56 on: October 28, 2012, 01:20:49 PM »
doon nalang ako sir sa 220mm magnet size at 4"VC pero branded naman at cgurado ang mga materyales na ginamit at dina din kailangan ng malakas na amps na pang drive...maybe sa iloilo kailangan nila talaga ng malalaking magnet at VC na speaker kc nag babattle sila doon,,at kaya yata lumabas  ngayon yong mga 6" VC at 300mm magnet size ay para doon sa taga iloilo  :-D
   Tama ka Sir. Mants.  :-D

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« Reply #57 on: October 28, 2012, 04:00:04 PM »
doon nalang ako sir sa 220mm magnet size at 4"VC pero branded naman at cgurado ang mga materyales na ginamit at dina din kailangan ng malakas na amps na pang drive...maybe sa iloilo kailangan nila talaga ng malalaking magnet at VC na speaker kc nag babattle sila doon,,at kaya yata lumabas  ngayon yong mga 6" VC at 300mm magnet size ay para doon sa taga iloilo  :-D

Sir Hindi po binibili ng Customer brand... Binibili nila quality na speaker. Meaning po faital pro, precision device, Rcf, 18 sound and b&c...yan Ang tunay
 na quality speaker


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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #58 on: October 28, 2012, 05:39:56 PM »
It depends on the materials used like cone, damper and voice coil.. Also the cooling system. And the design ng speaker. Just because malaki magnet but the materials used are sub stanndard.. Walang kwenta...  Pero Kung world class quality Ang materials ginamit I'm sure na maganda po yan. Taob pati po neo speakers ng branded... Malaking factor po Kung malaking magnet and malaking voice coil... Pero you better need a big amp to drive the speaker...
We all know by the price alone and compare to those reputable brands we can conclude that this speaker are low grade. They used low cost materials that in the run long expect mechanical failure so it is advisable to buy  those reputable brands.

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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #59 on: October 28, 2012, 05:49:58 PM »
Sir Hindi po binibili ng Customer brand... Binibili nila quality na speaker. Meaning po faital pro, precision device, Rcf, 18 sound and b&c...yan Ang tunay
 na quality speaker
     Maaford ba ng karamihan ang mga  speaker na yan dito?  Yung Paudio lang yata ang bang of the buck speaker dito may durability at good sound quality, kahit saan isabak pewde na.   Hindi man sila ang pinakamalakas pero hindi rin sila nagpapahuli sa mga branded na sinasabi mo.

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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #60 on: October 28, 2012, 06:25:17 PM »
Sir Hindi po binibili ng Customer brand... Binibili nila quality na speaker. Meaning po faital pro, precision device, Rcf, 18 sound and b&c...yan Ang tunay
 na quality speaker
mostly naman sir pag ang isang brand ng speaker ay kilala na sa ibang bansa at marami na ang gumagamit nito international nangangahulogan na ito ay may quality ,,
« Last Edit: October 28, 2012, 06:26:21 PM by mants »

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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #61 on: October 28, 2012, 07:28:25 PM »
mostly naman sir pag ang isang brand ng speaker ay kilala na sa ibang bansa at marami na ang gumagamit nito international nangangahulogan na ito ay may quality ,,
Yes po. Yan po mga brand na ginagamit ng mga touring companies... Mahal sila pero proven na..also forgot to mention another brand na proven... fane po.

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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #62 on: October 28, 2012, 07:46:15 PM »
B&c speakers bro daming sinusuplyan yan dyn ngpapagawa ang martin audio, danlley, eaw. Basrmax,

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« Reply #63 on: October 28, 2012, 07:51:48 PM »
Yes actually sir napansin ko Lang sa china... Mas gusto nila European brand kesa American brand... Mas prefer nila Rcf, B&C and Martin audio speakers while here mas prefer natin jbl.

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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #64 on: October 28, 2012, 07:56:38 PM »
     Maaford ba ng karamihan ang mga  speaker na yan dito?  Yung Paudio lang yata ang bang of the buck speaker dito may durability at good sound quality, kahit saan isabak pewde na.   Hindi man sila ang pinakamalakas pero hindi rin sila nagpapahuli sa mga branded na sinasabi mo.

Sorry I beg to differ. Kaya Nga mas mahal Ang mga branded sa p. audio is because their material is much much better than that. Once saw faital pro voice coil and isa Lang masasabi ko... Wow! Ngayon alam ko na Kung bakit mahal faital pro

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« Reply #65 on: October 28, 2012, 08:04:22 PM »
Faital pro bagong company pa yn pero succesful sa market

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« Reply #66 on: October 28, 2012, 08:06:25 PM »
Yes may quality :)

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« Reply #67 on: October 28, 2012, 08:50:26 PM »
Yes may quality :)
  Yung European Brands at American Brands Speakers talagang mataas yung quality nila. Yung parts na ginagamit hindi generic, there parts are made for one specific design or model and cannot be used in another if possible. Hindi katulad ibang Asian Brands na generic dahil yung isang part pwede mo magamit sa maraming brands of speakers.  Tulad ng double magnet bihirang makita yan sa european at american brands.

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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #68 on: October 29, 2012, 01:51:51 AM »
Sa Faital Pro, B&C, Fane, RCF, 18 Sound at PD speaker components, ilang grupo na kaya gumagamit nito sa Pinas ?

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« Reply #69 on: October 29, 2012, 02:49:17 AM »
would also add ng Celestion, Royal Turbomax, Volt amongst good European drivers.

must admit some of them do sound really good on a right box and good engineer :)

but that doesnt mean they dont fail as well as generic drivers do :-)


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« Reply #70 on: October 29, 2012, 03:45:09 AM »
Celestion at b&c yn ang supplier ng qsc na ginagamt sa box nla. I only know jbl, ev,das,rcf, cv manufacturd ther own driver  at the same time box. Most professional speaker manufacturer, b&c ang provider ng driver nla even famous l-acoustic sa b&c. Nexo,turbosound, bose, d&b, yorkville sa b&c. good engineering tong b&c
« Last Edit: October 29, 2012, 04:00:37 AM by alghanold »

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« Reply #71 on: October 29, 2012, 05:00:59 AM »
agree B&C drivers are really good quality and sounding drivers....(do like the sound of their comps :))........Sica also from Italy provides loudspeakers for other Manufacturers.

Beyma and BMS are good sounding drivers also.

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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #72 on: October 29, 2012, 07:06:41 AM »
Sa Faital Pro, B&C, Fane, RCF, 18 Sound at PD speaker components, ilang grupo na kaya gumagamit nito sa Pinas ?
sa mahal ng price ng mga ito sir, baka mangilan ngilan lang ang meron nito ,yong may mga malalaking sounds lang cguro ang meron nito saka yong madatung :-D,,eh Paudio nga halos di pa kaya  :-D
« Last Edit: October 29, 2012, 07:07:46 AM by mants »

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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #73 on: October 29, 2012, 08:48:52 AM »
agree B&C drivers are really good quality and sounding drivers....(do like the sound of their comps :))........Sica also from Italy provides loudspeakers for other Manufacturers.

Beyma and BMS are good sounding drivers also.

Yes heard about beyma and bms... But never hEard of Sica... New company?

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Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
« Reply #74 on: October 29, 2012, 10:30:11 AM »
sa mahal ng price ng mga ito sir, baka mangilan ngilan lang ang meron nito ,yong may mga malalaking sounds lang cguro ang meron nito saka yong madatung :-D,,eh Paudio nga halos di pa kaya  :-D

Yun na nga Bos Mants. 

Nakakwentuhan ko dati si Bos Richard Tan. Hirap daw talaga nila maibenta ang Faital Pro dahil, una, mahal ito at pangalawa, yun na-compare nila sa P.audio Sd18-1700el, halos parehas lang daw ang lakas at quality. Gamit pa nilang amp ay yun Powersoft  :-o

Pati sila Bass Head na nagpasok ng PD, B&C at Fane ganun din ang naikwento.  At dahil na din sa mahal ng mga tinda nila at lagi P.audio ang reference ng mga inaalok nila.  Proven na daw kasi ang performance at mas affordable ang P.audio.  Kwento ko nga kay Bos Marcel na kami satisfied na sa IMF na very standard model lang :-D