Bacchus Guitars Made in Pampanga Exported to Japan? Looking for Factory..

[turiguiliano]

ok lang, at least they have jobs that helps provide for their daily needs.

This.

[hiskoolstudes]

Sa tingin ko galing din ng Pinas ang Kahoy. It's just the same routine as how Levi's, Vans, Italian Shoes and all this imported products which are made here the PI. All the materials, Labor, and all the stuff came from our country.

i disagree... if tonewoods are really available here, then guitar manufacturers would have a bigger presence here in the philippines,

also would you know of a local company building machine heads, bridges, knobs and such?

[maxi_musikero]

Sa tingin ko galing din ng Pinas ang Kahoy. It's just the same routine as how Levi's, Vans, Italian Shoes and all this imported products which are made here the PI. All the materials, Labor, and all the stuff came from our country. These businessmen just have to keep the customs discreet about anything. Sa madaling salita pandaraya to eh. OO I get the idea that they trained this Pinoys, about their woodcraft and all which came from the real manufacturers in Japan. But to think na isupport pa natin ang factory gayong Una, Hindi man lang nila idistribute locally ang product. Pangalawa sinasamantala nila ang cheap labor at ang money based gov't. system satin. I don't get the idea that some of you guys support them to locally have business here with us. Kahit sang anggulo tignan talo tayo dito. Kaya tayo minamaliit ng maraming Asian nations eh... tsk... Well it's just my opinion. Don't know about you guys....

i think you got your facts wrong man. materials of designer goods are not made here. they come from the parent companies from wherever they are, and we provide the labor force.

local distribution is not always feasible kasi hindi naman mataas ang demand dito sa atin for their products eh. kung binenta nila dito yan, lugi pa sila sa taxes na ipapataw sa kanila ng gobyerno. if they shoulder more taxes, babawiin nila yan sa sweldo ng mga Filipino workers nila. full circle yan eh.

[gandydancer123]

in short..compared to other ASEAN rising economies..tayo ang medyo unattractive sa mga mata ng investors to set up shop..dami pa nga lumalabas at umaalis..kaya ang pinoy..napipilitan din umalis..
kasi nga..high cost of electricty, plus masyado ngang garapal magtax ang govt at garapal pa mga tauhan sa paghingi..from governor to baranggay chairman to tanod may kuwit sa investor na magtatayo ng factory...isa pa yung organized labor unions/commies.. (di ba just this week nagpull ouy na ang direct flights ng KLM from Manila to Europe./kasi nga ayaw magkareforms ang govt.to ease taxes and restrictions...and number 1 bakit ayaw ng mga investors magset up shop...yung 60/40 restrictions ng 1987 Cory Constitution...which is placed by the oligarchs themselves..to monopolize the whole market..kaya tignan ninyo no choice tayo but to support their crappy services and products..kasi walang pumapasok na competition..na pwedeng makapagpaluwag sa buhay ng ordinary pinoy...PLUS JOBS! JOBS! JOBS!

like I have been telling everybody...through economic libralization...mores jobs will be created, less people will fneed to go abroad..the rich will loose a bit..the poor will be richer..the middle class will flourish.....middle class can afford better education..everybody is working kaya crimes will be less..self worth will be at an all time high...thus better society...

WIth more opportunities you back up boy,barker, takatak boy, pedicab driver..could be in factories earning decently winding epiphone pick ups...or spray painting sunbursts on Cort Guitars..

to think na kahit paano mas musically inclined at arts oriented ang Pinoy..bakit sila magset up sho sa Vietnam?>Indonesia? thailand or India di ba?

Buti kamo BPO is flourishing and giving thousands of graduates every year an opportunity to work and get paid well...kahit biology. mathematics, sciences..etc...pero ang tanong hanggang kailan? and paano naman ang mga fields nila? syempre after working 5-6 years sa BPO..at gusto mo na makapagpursue ng Engineering or Nursing career mo..magaalangan na mga employers mo sa work experience di ba?

[dakungfuking]

i disagree... if tonewoods are really available here, then guitar manufacturers would have a bigger presence here in the philippines,

also would you know of a local company building machine heads, bridges, knobs and such?

not necesarrily kailangan may presence sila, for all we know they source out materials here like woods etc... but definitely not hardwares you go to korea and japan for hardwares, yes even the well known brand that say's MADE in USA gets Raw tuners, bridge, machine heads and other hardwares then assemble and paint them sa US, how do i know? cause the plant where we order parts makes a couple of known USA brands that claims to be 100% US Made

i know a couple of botique stringed instrument builders sa US that loves quilted narra but he doest make guitars here he just gets his wood sa pinas but makes them sa US, daming tonewoods around southeast asia philippines included its really not that hard to look for instrument grade woods here you just have to be picky

[walanakamingyelo]

ok lang, at least they have jobs that helps provide for their daily needs.

So short term man... wag ganun... and besides, what jobs? contractual jobs? no benefits? no security of tenure?
I think we should be more vigilant about this. It's not just about having GAS for the gears. It's also about how this things should be done. Nurture not Rape.

Sa mga kahoy at mga materyales, mas malaki ang tyansa na dito din sila galing. sabihin na nating imported ang mga saddles and some pieces but majority of the stuff came here. You know how the SYSTEM works here. At para sa isang tropikal na bansa, niyebe lang ata ang hindi mo makikita dito.

[Musikerochan]

slave wages FTL.

[jefisipbata]

So short term man... wag ganun... and besides, what jobs? contractual jobs? no benefits? no security of tenure?
I think we should be more vigilant about this. It's not just about having GAS for the gears. It's also about how this things should be done. Nurture not Rape.

Sa mga kahoy at mga materyales, mas malaki ang tyansa na dito din sila galing. sabihin na nating imported ang mga saddles and some pieces but majority of the stuff came here. You know how the SYSTEM works here. At para sa isang tropikal na bansa, niyebe lang ata ang hindi mo makikita dito.

short term, long term, i couldn't care less. as long as they are bringing jobs here. masyado ng madaming tao ang wala trabaho ngayon and to criticize a company bringing those sought after jobs is a bit harsh. as for their employee's tenure, i'm not familiar with their contracts so i can't comment on that (neither can you unless you know something we don't). pero seeing this can be classified as a highly skilled job, i doubt they change employees every 6 months.

my point is just because we can't avail of those goods they are making here doesn't make them evil.

[treblinkalovescene]

I just want someone to help bring in goods from Japan.

[crazyvoice]

im from cavite and after reading it parang gusto ko makita yung factory nila sa bayang luma which is one ride of tricycle away from our place. 

Tignan lang no planned to purchase one. 

[prince22]

short term, long term, i couldn't care less. as long as they are bringing jobs here. masyado ng madaming tao ang wala trabaho ngayon and to criticize a company bringing those sought after jobs is a bit harsh. as for their employee's tenure, i'm not familiar with their contracts so i can't comment on that (neither can you unless you know something we don't). pero seeing this can be classified as a highly skilled job, i doubt they change employees every 6 months.

my point is just because we can't avail of those goods they are making here doesn't make them evil.

+1
and insisting the righteousness of the "maker can't enjoy his own products" analogy is just plain wrong.
I can understand the negative sentiments but you have to be realistic. You think this only happens in the RP?
you think that construction workers in 1st world countries can afford a unit at the condos they build?

[itchybrain]

you think that construction workers in 1st world countries can afford a unit at the condos they build?

I think so. In Denmark, garbage collectors live in the same neighborhood as doctors, lawyers, etc., and garner the same prestige. So I guess you cited an invalid premise.

[hiskoolstudes]

not necesarrily kailangan may presence sila, for all we know they source out materials here like woods etc...

point taken, but again doub't that they source their woods here.

[walanakamingyelo]

short term, long term, i couldn't care less. as long as they are bringing jobs here. masyado ng madaming tao ang wala trabaho ngayon and to criticize a company bringing those sought after jobs is a bit harsh. as for their employee's tenure, i'm not familiar with their contracts so i can't comment on that (neither can you unless you know something we don't). pero seeing this can be classified as a highly skilled job, i doubt they change employees every 6 months.

my point is just because we can't avail of those goods they are making here doesn't make them evil.

This is a "pwede na yan" opinion. I ain't saying they're evil. what I'm saying is what is happening with the industry is not right.

+1
and insisting the righteousness of the "maker can't enjoy his own products" analogy is just plain wrong.
I can understand the negative sentiments but you have to be realistic. You think this only happens in the RP?
you think that construction workers in 1st world countries can afford a unit at the condos they build?
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I'm not insisting it. I'm just saying this is how it should be but it's not the way it is which is actually not good for someone who gives his labor for a highly priced product.

[hiskoolstudes]

This is a "pwede na yan" opinion. I ain't saying they're evil. what I'm saying is what is happening with the industry is not right.

this i don't get, what exactly is not right in the "industry"? having Pinoy built guitars be only available in the Japanese market and not be available here?  when in fact, if it was made elsewhere (like for say Korea, Indonesia ), it would still be sold only in Japan?  SO i'd rather have those jobs than else where.

[paengkee]

i talked to one of the people who works at the bacchus factory a year ago. they do custom guitars pero incognito. lost interest after i heard nasa 30k lol.

[Rmansh]

question ko lang.

would you buy a 30k Filipino made bacchus guitar or a 30k 100% MIJ bacchus guitar?

[treblinkalovescene]

question ko lang.

would you buy a 30k Filipino made bacchus guitar or a 30k 100% MIJ bacchus guitar?

I'd get either.

[siore]

+1
and insisting the righteousness of the "maker can't enjoy his own products" analogy is just plain wrong.
I can understand the negative sentiments but you have to be realistic. You think this only happens in the RP?
you think that construction workers in 1st world countries can afford a unit at the condos they build?

Agree with this.  Globalization can be a bitch.  The Chinese population can't afford those condos, yet they build a lot of cities.  Ghost malls, ghost residential complexes, ghost commercial towers etc.  The workers who build the gov't's 'housing' projects travel long distances daily, and go back to crammed living compounds they call home.  The Americans complain how they're losing jobs to overseas workers and factories, and we complain how our good products are not available to us.  Also, that's why a lot of Filipinos go to other nations.  And I suppose, if you were to go into business, it would be better sense to cater to foreign markets first, unless you distribute.  Local guys prefer the foreign made stuff anyway (at least those with the spending capability).  If you're just a local guy, as a seller, babaratin ka lang.  There's no added value on your product other than your material costs and most minimum possible wage, unless you get the reputation from overseas.

Mostly generalizations in what I've stated.  But some things are just the way it is.  Hey I'd love to change the world too, but there's only so much an individual can do.  You can't change people and their habits overnight.  We start within our own selves, and try to promote and advocate what we do, but ultimately, it's anyone's guess how the world will turn out.

[prince22]

I think so. In Denmark, garbage collectors live in the same neighborhood as doctors, lawyers, etc., and garner the same prestige. So I guess you cited an invalid premise.

hmmm, interesting fact but nonetheless off the mark.

[pakool]

pinagkaiba ng ibang bansa sa atin (China, Vietnam, Korea, etc) e industrialized nations na sila kaya mas mura ang pagkuha ng finished products. sa atin kasi, puros semi-manufacture lang ang ginagawa natin. ang dami nating mineral resources pero anong ginagawa? semi-manufactured or raw material lang dito tapos ginagawa overseas tapos mas mahal na ang finished product.

[Bart]

How can you be thankful when your countrymen makes a world class product yet they themselves can't use it as their own? It's like a construction worker who dedicated all his life making skyscrapers and top of the line condominiums yet he himself couldn't afford a decent house. How can you be happy? Yes I know we have our GAS on those gears but to think of it that way in the point of view of a musician who truly loves and is proud his countrymen this situation is not good.

Well, what have you done so far so as not to perpetuate this practice?

[guitarbrat]

Very nice guitar. Meron na ko na try na bacchus. Ok naman pagkakagawa. Gawa pala ng mga kapatid natin . Maganda siguro pag may kakilala ka sa factory. You can get a discount for sure.

[rainierito]

+1
and insisting the righteousness of the "maker can't enjoy his own products" analogy is just plain wrong.
I can understand the negative sentiments but you have to be realistic. You think this only happens in the RP?
you think that construction workers in 1st world countries can afford a unit at the condos they build?

to answer your last question, yes! in norway, sweden and where i'm currently residing; denmark.
carpenters, construction workers get big pays... well, they're also very good in their craft and studied their ass off unlike other "first world countries" you can't be a carpenter here without getting a degree in carpentry...
the more physically demanding the job, the higher the pay, that's socialism 101. sorry, get another example ;P

mostly guitar luthiers here are carpenters.

[walanakamingyelo]

Well, what have you done so far so as not to perpetuate this practice?

This could be done through collective action. Let us not be so messianic about this. If there would be any chance that you can get all what you need through a local manufacturer why wouldn't I? But sadly there is none and the access are limited.

to answer your last question, yes! in norway, sweden and where i'm currently residing; denmark.
carpenters, construction workers get big pays... well, they're also very good in their craft and studied their ass off unlike other "first world countries" you can't be a carpenter here without getting a degree in carpentry...
the more physically demanding the job, the higher the pay, that's socialism 101. sorry, get another example ;P

mostly guitar luthiers here are carpenters.

This!