When you say "old school drum kit"

[eaRthRideR]

When you say "old school drum kit"  what does it look like?

just exploring the world of drummers  

infos and photos would be gladly appreciated.

many thanks.

[suspendead]

As far as I know, Old school kits are the set-uped kit. More toms, More bass drums, a lot of hihats and crashes. The BIG KIT. While the New School kit is composed of 3-4 toms and a couple of cymbals. A simple kit in short. Hope that helped...

[eaRthRideR]

thanks a bunch suspendead  

[drumster]

Old-school kits...

THE LOOK:  Covered finishes such as white marine pearl (made famous by most pioneer drummers like Buddy Rich), abalone, oysters (made famous by Ringo).....  The acrylic see-through drumkits such as John Bonham's famous amber Vista-Lite kit...

THE HARDWARE:  Thin, lightweight, single-braced tripods.....  Bass drum "consoles" fro the 30's and 40's.....  Stands during the yesteryears are commonly frail and unstable...

DRUM SIZES:  Traditional drum sizes popularized during the 30's (ex. - 8x12" toms, 9x13" toms).....  Power sizes popularized during the 80's (deep-sized or squared tom sizes - ex. - 11x12" and 12x12" toms, etc.)...

DRUMS:  Old-school drum brands like Ludwig, Slingerland, Leedy, Camco, Rogers, etc...  Remo Roto-Toms...  concert toms (toms with no bottom drumheads) popularized during the late 60's and 70's...


More references:

http://www.vintagedrum.com/
http://www.notsomoderndrummer.com/


Madami pang pwede idagdag na info... At least, I hope what I listed gave you ideas.  

[eaRthRideR]

yes drumster you brought out my "much-curiosity" about it ahehe,

gave me ideas though. thanks  

i need to do alot research about it, to be more familiarized with such stuff

 .. will do check out the link you gave    thanks

[drumster]

You're welcome, bro!

Another thing that you can do is check out photos of great drummers from the yesteryears - Buddy Rich, Gene Krupa, Joe Morello, Tony Williams, John Bonham, Keith Moon, Charlie Watts, Ringo, etc.....  Observe their old-school drumkits.  Looking at those old stuff can give you plenty more ideas.

A good place to research is http://www.drummerworld.com/ .  

[eaRthRideR]

thanks thanks again  drumster    very much appreciated  

will do your advice  

kaya lang bro ba?  sis ako  ahehehe

[cs_mapper]

old school drums for me is basically very minamalist.

yung mga sangdakakul na drums and cymbals hehe sarap gamitin yun kaso iba pa rin ang mag drums sa four piece lang.

[eaRthRideR]

old school drums for me is basically very minamalist.

yung mga sangdakakul na drums and cymbals hehe sarap gamitin yun kaso iba pa rin ang mag drums sa four piece lang.

ahh okay    thanks  cs_mapper. sa pampanga ka?

ako rin

[drumster]

thanks thanks again  drumster    very much appreciated  

will do your advice  

kaya lang bro ba?  sis ako  ahehehe

Oh I'm sorry!  Sister ka pala!     Better introduce yourself at the Pinoydrums Bio Thread, so that the rest of the pack won't be calling you 'bro' or 'sir' hehe!  

old school drums for me is basically very minamalist.

yung mga sangdakakul na drums and cymbals hehe sarap gamitin yun kaso iba pa rin ang mag drums sa four piece lang.

Yup that's true.  Monster drumkit set-ups were popularized during the 60's, and it's a vital part of the drumkit's evolution.  But I'm glad that playing a minimalist drumkit never went out of style.  Even if it's fun to indulge on a huge set-up, it's always nice to come home to a basic drumkit.  

[marko21]

old school ba ang ganto?

[drumster]

That's a very new-school drumkit.

But would Bobby Rock be considered as old school?  He was really big during the 90's.  Great rock drummer!

 

[peeves24]

old school illustrated

gene krupa standardized the kit as we know it today



but before that, before drum kits where called drum kits, they were called "traps" short for "contraptions"



more popularly used for providing sound effects for silent movies first before big bands adapted it

[legnacilyz]

wow! that is the picture i've been looking for a year now since i've started reading articles about drums and being curious about the very first type of the hi hats.. may dobol peds na pla noon? hehehe joke! Gene Krupa redesigned the hihats right? correct me if i am wrong..

thanks!!!

cheers!!!

[drumster]

I believe it was Chick Webb who convinced manufacturers to create a hi-hat cymbal and stand, based from the original "low-boy", "snowshoe" sock cymbals.  Why?  Because he wanted to play those cymbals not only with his foot, but with his sticks too.

Gene Krupa is credited for convincing manufacturers to develop the modern tom-tom.  See those Oriental-style drums at the right side of the trapset in the photo?  Those are Chinese tam-tams.  The toms that we know today are tunable, unlike those tam-tams.

Thank you, masters Chick & Gene!

 

[legnacilyz]

Thanks for correcting sir dio! Now i remember.. it was chick webb.. and Gene is for the tunable toms..

cheers!!!

[eaRthRideR]

hey guys, i really love reading your comments and inputs kaya lang

some things bothered me, according to cs_mapper

" old school drums for me is basically very minamalist.

yung mga sangdakakul na drums and cymbals hehe sarap gamitin yun kaso iba pa rin ang mag drums sa four piece lang. "

dba old school kit has alot of set-up cymbals

and drums tama ba? then i have seen the pix from marko21 and asking

if that was an old school, and drumster answered that it was a new school.

how did it happen? e dami drums and cymbals dun sa pix that i've

distinguished as an old school kasi nga dami drums and cymbals.

i am just appreciating each and single info i'm getting from here guys

kaya lalo dami

ko tanong ahehehe pasensya na mga bossing pero i hope you all

wont get tired of my Q's  peace. curious talaga ko, i'm planning

to take up some drumming lessons by next year siguro and i'd like

to know more about kits and such stuff para kung bili naman ako

own kit dba i know what to do and where to go and what to get,

as of now yun ang gusto ko malaman. i got baffled and confused

between that old and new school kit.. enlighten me please  

many thanks  

[eaRthRideR]

thanks thanks again  drumster    very much appreciated  

will do your advice  

kaya lang bro ba?  sis ako  ahehehe

Oh I'm sorry!  Sister ka pala!     Better introduce yourself at the Pinoydrums Bio Thread, so that the rest of the pack won't be calling you 'bro' or 'sir' hehe!  

old school drums for me is basically very minamalist.

yung mga sangdakakul na drums and cymbals hehe sarap gamitin yun kaso iba pa rin ang mag drums sa four piece lang.

Yup that's true.  Monster drumkit set-ups were popularized during the 60's, and it's a vital part of the drumkit's evolution.  But I'm glad that playing a minimalist drumkit never went out of style.  Even if it's fun to indulge on a huge set-up, it's always nice to come home to a basic drumkit.  

can i do that drumster? introduce myself at that certain thread?

hindi ako drummer e okay lang ba yun?  ahehehe, dami na nga

tumatawag sakin sir/bro harhar      

[drumster]

Here are my answers and opinions, ms. earthrider...


"...dba old school kit has a lot of set-up cymbals and drums tama ba?"

The drumkit is probably the most customize-able musical instrument.  Even back in the day, there were already drummers who add stuff on their sets and prefer huge drumkits (ex. - Louie Bellson, Keith Moon, Ginger Baker).  But there were many drummers who stuck with basic drum set-ups (ex. - Buddy Rich, Max Roach, Ringo Starr).  

Set-up preferences vary, depending on a drummers wants and needs (whether musical, aesthetic, etc.), and his/her personal preferences and playing style.  For me, describing an old-school drumkit is more about its looks and sounds, not necessarily about how it is set up.



"i have seen the pix from marko21 and asking if that was an old school, and drumster answered that it was a new school.  how did it happen?"

It's new school because Bobby Rock's drumkit is of modern design and technology - the Peavey Pro-Radial Bridge system on the drums (which replaces the standard tension lugs with outer plies of wood, which is an extension of the shell; a design exclusive to Peavey),  the heavy-duty rack system, the modern cymbals, multiple hi-hats, remote bass pedals which play the two outer bass drums...  

Though we can also say that Bobby Rock's set-up has some old-school inspiration.  Most rock/metal drummers of his generation may have taken inspiration from old-school big-kit double bass set-ups from their idols such as Billy Cobham, Keith Moon, Ginger Baker and Carmine Appice.


"can i do that drumster? introduce myself at that certain thread?  hindi ako drummer e okay lang ba yun?"

Why not?  Go ahead!  

[eaRthRideR]

many thanks drumster      dami pa talaga ko kakaining bigas

(yung naisaing na) ahehehe       .. sige punta ko dun sa thread where

i can introduce myself  (shy      ) i am a voice coach and

yun talaga forte ko.. and hopefully makapagdrums din in the near

future, 2 years ago nung nagkainterest talaga ko sa drums.

before kasi hindi ko nipapansin drumset na nakaset up sa bahay ng

father ko, after magpractice ng band ni dad, yung microphone ang

pinagiinteresan ko talaga e ahehehe, i have never imagined that i will

get myself on to such instrument, basta gusto ko magplay ng drums

while singing. naks! ahehehe. busy pa lang ako these days kaya

hindi makapag-drumming lessons. pero will make time    

sana magwork ahehehe. thanks ulit drumster    

[peeves24]

....or maybe its the player that makes it "old school" rather than the kit. id like to define old skool as the pioneering players and new skool as "the return of the comeback".


case in point:

OLD SKOOL: lars ulrich made metal hip in the 80's, though not the first metal drummer, he surely made it popular



or maybe its the HAIR that makes it old skool?  

NEW SKOOL: john otto revived metal(? maybe limpbizkit metal) when boy bands ruled the earth and so rapmetalcorepornnoisyrrraaaarrr became pop

[eaRthRideR]

thanks  peeves24  

[drumster]

Now these are 2 different yet equally interesting subject...

Old school drums.  

Old-school drummers.  

 

[eaRthRideR]

uh huh, and eventually i will ask my follow up Q's  

[drummerboy827]

probably the sound