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« Reply #1650 on: September 24, 2015, 05:28:10 PM »
may Uno pa ba si JB? ang mura nun ah  :lol: o kaya yung Remo UX pwede na  :lol:

remo UX, di ko masyado trip. bilis mag wear off ng coating tska nagwawarp. masmatibay parin yung AMBASSADOR US <3
hahaha ako binibiyak ko muna yung wetpaks para makita kung may yellow thingy hahahaha

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« Reply #1651 on: September 24, 2015, 05:40:35 PM »
remo UX, di ko masyado trip. bilis mag wear off ng coating tska nagwawarp. masmatibay parin yung AMBASSADOR US <3

ah may coating pala. Remo US nga  :lol:
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its me again. got my TAMA rhythm mate. meron ng kasamang cymbals (TAMA din).  di ko lang alam if ok na to or go for PlanetZ or sabian B8. Malaki ba difference? help po. thanks.

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its me again. got my TAMA rhythm mate. meron ng kasamang cymbals (TAMA din).  di ko lang alam if ok na to or go for PlanetZ or sabian B8. Malaki ba difference? help po. thanks.

malaki difference ng planet z tska b8. planet z is brass, hindi siya musical. parang pumapalo ka lang ng bakal na plato.

definitely B8. isusuggest ko sana ang STAGG at Istanbul pero since first kit mo ito, try mo muna with B8. di hamak mas matibay ang b8 kesa kay StAGG.
hahaha ako binibiyak ko muna yung wetpaks para makita kung may yellow thingy hahahaha

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malaki difference ng planet z tska b8. planet z is brass, hindi siya musical. parang pumapalo ka lang ng bakal na plato.

definitely B8. isusuggest ko sana ang STAGG at Istanbul pero since first kit mo ito, try mo muna with B8. di hamak mas matibay ang b8 kesa kay StAGG.

talaga?   :roll: or Sabian B8 vs Stagg na B8 alloy?
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talaga?   :roll: or Sabian B8 vs Stagg na B8 alloy?

I'm saying sabian B8 vs STAGG SH. mas makapal pa rin si B8 and can take more abuse than an SH.
hahaha ako binibiyak ko muna yung wetpaks para makita kung may yellow thingy hahahaha

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thanks po sa help. B8 nalang.  gas nanaman.hehehe.

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I'm saying sabian B8 vs STAGG SH. mas makapal pa rin si B8 and can take more abuse than an SH.

well sa bagay, B8 can take more abuse than B20 naman talaga. siguro dahil pag kaya mo na mag-invest sa B20 alloy nag mature na rin yung playing technique kaya di na nababasag
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well sa bagay, B8 can take more abuse than B20 naman talaga. siguro dahil pag kaya mo na mag-invest sa B20 alloy nag mature na rin yung playing technique kaya di na nababasag


actually... no. B20 can take more abuse in general. nasa lathing and hammering parin ng company kung matibay ang cymbal o hindi.

STAGG kasi leans on the thinner cymbals. lalo na yung SH nila. compare an SH to say, a zidjian or sabian pie. noticable agad yung difference sa weight. pati sa "feel" ramdam mo agad na flimsy si STAGG.

no offense sa mga STAGG users. just being honest here.
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actually... no. B20 can take more abuse in general. nasa lathing and hammering parin ng company kung matibay ang cymbal o hindi.

STAGG kasi leans on the thinner cymbals. lalo na yung SH nila. compare an SH to say, a zidjian or sabian pie. noticable agad yung difference sa weight. pati sa "feel" ramdam mo agad na flimsy si STAGG.

no offense sa mga STAGG users. just being honest here.

I've always thought B8 had more "flex" kasi stamped sheet metal sya, compared to B20 na prone magcrack (tulad ng Z3 na kahit ubod sa kapal), tapos kaya maraming basag na B8 kasi ginagamit as rental pieces kaya lagari talaga. well that's what I thought.

kaya siguro gongy din yung Stagg dahil sa design plus weight? although yung SH china ko solido pa rin  :wink:
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I've always thought B8 had more "flex" kasi stamped sheet metal sya, compared to B20 na prone magcrack (tulad ng Z3 na kahit ubod sa kapal), tapos kaya maraming basag na B8 kasi ginagamit as rental pieces kaya lagari talaga. well that's what I thought.

kaya siguro gongy din yung Stagg dahil sa design plus weight? although yung SH china ko solido pa rin  :wink:

lately, wala na sa alloy. nasa lathing and hammering na talaga, and how it was forged. paiste's premium cymbals are made from b8. meinl top of the line cymbals are made from sheet B20. nagkakatalo talaga sa lathing and hammering, plus the thickness of the cymbal.

cymbal durability is dependent on 1. thickness of the cymbal; and 2. striking technique.


kaya maraming nagccrack na z3 kasi nga, pinipilit ng iba na icrash siya, kahit hindi naman siya crashable. lalo na yung ride nila. sana nga thin cymbal sila. like an A or K custom. zzzzzzz.

and yes, ganun din ang reason sa B8. mas madalas ka lang makakita ng B8 na cracked kasi nga, ginagamit sa rehearsal studio na kadalasan, newbie ang gumagamit na wala pang proper striking technique.

pero between you and me, mas marami akong kilalang nabasagan ng STAGG or Wuhan kesa sa nabasagan ng B8 na talagang "seasoned' player na.

hahaha ako binibiyak ko muna yung wetpaks para makita kung may yellow thingy hahahaha

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naku pang rehearsal studio ko gagamitin. balik nalang sa planetZ?hehehe

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naku pang rehearsal studio ko gagamitin. balik nalang sa planetZ?hehehe

hindi pa rin. unless gusto mo bumili ng planet z every two weeks.

yung mga brass cymbals na yan, pangit na ang tunog tapos madali pa mabasag.

dun sa B8 vs B20 durability, basically ang guideline, to rephrase boss ralph, basta same qorkmanship/quality yung cymbal, mababasag at mababasag yan dahil sa maling technique.
madalas mangyayari yan sa rehearsal studio. pero kung sa Stagg vs sa B8, sa B8 ka panalo dahil mas maganda ang kalidad nung cymbals at dun magiging sulit ang pera mo.

lately, wala na sa alloy. nasa lathing and hammering na talaga, and how it was forged. paiste's premium cymbals are made from b8. meinl top of the line cymbals are made from sheet B20. nagkakatalo talaga sa lathing and hammering, plus the thickness of the cymbal.

cymbal durability is dependent on 1. thickness of the cymbal; and 2. striking technique.


kaya maraming nagccrack na z3 kasi nga, pinipilit ng iba na icrash siya, kahit hindi naman siya crashable. lalo na yung ride nila. sana nga thin cymbal sila. like an A or K custom. zzzzzzz.

and yes, ganun din ang reason sa B8. mas madalas ka lang makakita ng B8 na cracked kasi nga, ginagamit sa rehearsal studio na kadalasan, newbie ang gumagamit na wala pang proper striking technique.

pero between you and me, mas marami akong kilalang nabasagan ng STAGG or Wuhan kesa sa nabasagan ng B8 na talagang "seasoned' player na.



hmmm I seeeee. Yung wuhan oo sobrang nipis, parang imposible ata hindi mabasag yun. pati yung ride nakakatakot i wash-ride eh.  :roll:
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naku pang rehearsal studio ko gagamitin. balik nalang sa planetZ?hehehe


hindi. kasi hindi tunog cyambals ang planet z. ang tendency, lalakasan ng drummer yung hataw nila para mapalabas yung tunog nito. in turn, mababasag agad. B8 at the least paps. madali pang palitan.
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ah ok,Sabian AAX Stage Performance Set Cymbals? better sa B8 or same lang ng PlanetZ?
san ba usually made ang cymbals ng sabian?yung mga Taiwan made?class A?
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ah ok,Sabian AAX Stage Performance Set Cymbals? better sa B8 or same lang ng PlanetZ?
san ba usually made ang cymbals ng sabian?yung mga Taiwan made?class A?

Better than B8, pero pag nabasag yan pagsisisihan mo sa sobrang mahal. sa context to ng rehearsal studio ah. pero kung ikaw lang gagamit by all means kung afford  mo, dun ka sa AAX (although sa ganyang lebel na AAX mag Istanbul ka na lang).

Ang Sabian ginagawa sa Canada (Meductic, New Brunswick). Kung class A yan hindi Sabian yan, gawa sa China yan, which is not bad pero kung ganun sa Stagg or Wuhan ka na lang bumili para hindi sayang yung pera mo sa fake brand name.

Ganto na lang para madali:

Freebie cymbals
- mura, pero basura
- Planet Z, SBR, Pearl/Tama/whatever

Student model cymbals (B8 alloy)
-sakto lang, usable tone for students and rehearsal applications
-around 15K
-Sabian B8, Zildjian ZBT, Meinl MCS, Paiste PST3

Cast cymbals (B20 alloy)
-mahal, pero maganda ang tunog
- Sabian AA/AAX/HH/HHX/Paragon/Vault, Zildjian A/A Custom/K/K Custom/Kerope, Istanbul Traditional/Sultan/Turk, Bosphorus, Meinl Byzance

Professional B8
-same price as B20, pero B8 ang gamit na alloy
-european sound, ang pinagkaiba sa Sabian or Zildjian na B8 ay maganda ang hammering at lathing kaya maganda ang tunog
-Paiste 2002/Rude, Meinl Classics, UFIP

Budget intermediate cymbals (B8/B12/B15/B20 alloy)
-mas mura sa professional cast cymbals pero mas mababa ang quality ng tunog. mas maganda sa student level B8 sonically.
-may made in china kung China brand, pero may major brands din
- Sabian XS20 (B20), Zildjian ZHT (B15), Stagg SH/Furia/DH, Wuhan, Paiste PST5/Alpha

Generally speaking, ang mga cymbals ay gawa sa:
Sabian - Canada
Zildjian - USA
Stagg/Wuhan - China
Istanbul/Bosphorus - Turkey
Meinl - Germany
Paiste - Switzerland
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ah ok,Sabian AAX Stage Performance Set Cymbals? better sa B8 or same lang ng PlanetZ?
san ba usually made ang cymbals ng sabian?yung mga Taiwan made?class A?

ingat sa japeke n AAX sets ngayon ha. pag less than 20k yung set ng aax na brandnew, more often than not fake yan. at kulay red brown with distinct hammer marks yung peke.
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ingat sa japeke n AAX sets ngayon ha. pag less than 20k yung set ng aax na brandnew, more often than not fake yan. at kulay red brown with distinct hammer marks yung peke.

mga B8 cymbals yan na nilagyan ng Sabian na tatak. May nakita na rin ako na kakulay ng B20 pero 15K lang, ingat pa rin, malamang tinatakan na china cymbal din yun.
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sa lazada merong sabian aax, 12.5k.hangang kalian sala sa JB?

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sa lazada merong sabian aax, 12.5k.hangang kalian sala sa JB?

I won't put my money on that as a precaution. presyo pa lang ng isang ride yun. kung Stagg SH nga 15K ang isang set, sale price pa. Ang nagcacarry ng Sabian si Yupangco ata, si JB dala nila Zildjians. Yung sale nila until end of october, pero sa Lazada ngayon may 16.5K sila na ZBT set (14HH 16CR 20RD) with free 18" crash check mo sa store baka may additional discount.
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sa lazada merong sabian aax, 12.5k.hangang kalian sala sa JB?


fake. dont buy it.

visit JB stores. or look at the catalog. meron dun, yung ZBTs3p-9. 13 hats, 14 crash, 18 ride. for 8,100.00 3 months installment pwede.
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san JB yan,bumisita ako kahapon sa JB MOA ala silang ZBT na 8k.  meron lang sila nasa 15k.

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sa lazada merong sabian aax, 12.5k.hangang kalian sala sa JB?

presyong imitation sir.... my two cents' worth: may I refer you to this thread to widen your choices...http://talk.philmusic.com/index.php?topic=175924.msg4334357#msg4334357

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well, personal opinion ko lang: you can buy fake as long as you know it IS FAKE and you dont resell them as originals  :-D

cymbals pa rin naman sila and for the price, cheap is cheap and cheap is crappy 98% of the time. yung 2% cheap na decent thomson cymbals - yes im serious its good decent.


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well, personal opinion ko lang: you can buy fake as long as you know it IS FAKE and you dont resell them as originals  :-D

cymbals pa rin naman sila and for the price, cheap is cheap and cheap is crappy 98% of the time. yung 2% cheap na decent thomson cymbals - yes im serious its good decent.

pero mas masarap yung feeling na you own an original cheap set  :lol:#IHeartStagg
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