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which is your cup of tea?

Behhringer X32
Presonus SL
Soundcraft SI Expression

Voting closes: November 09, 2015, 12:37:13 PM

Author Topic: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers  (Read 15504 times)

Offline ellechora

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Hi, just new here. Please refer dealers/distributor/supplier of Behringer equipments (such as speakers, mixers, and subwoofers)
Thanks in advance, would really appreciate your suggestions.
:)

Offline niroh

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Hi, just new here. Please refer dealers/distributor/supplier of Behringer equipments (such as speakers, mixers, and subwoofers)
Thanks in advance, would really appreciate your suggestions.
:)

joint venture ang may hawak ng behringer

Offline tjlimjoco

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My old buddy from Audiophile Alimall branch just informed me that few units of the latest Soundcraft Si Expression Digital console have been released.   :cool: :cool:

These are the models:

Si Expression 1 16chan at 132,300

Si Expression 2 24chan at 156,800

Si Expression 3 32chan at 196,000


http://www.soundcraft.com/products/product.aspx?pid=191
Ayus to b0s ha! Mapasyalan din si B0s Peter Sa Ali Mall  :)

Offline jeo

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My old buddy from Audiophile Alimall branch just informed me that few units of the latest Soundcraft Si Expression Digital console have been released.   :cool: :cool:

These are the models:

Si Expression 1 16chan at 132,300

Si Expression 2 24chan at 156,800

Si Expression 3 32chan at 196,000


http://www.soundcraft.com/products/product.aspx?pid=191

wow..less 10% pa yan :))) will definitely visit them for a first hand look:)))
>Use your ears, dont worry about the hype!>"Not everything that counts can be measured and not everything you can measure counts">TECHNIQUE is in the FINGERS & TONE is more in the GEAR>HIYAW, if you didnt get it, its your problem not mine>killed ur killer

Offline ellechora

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joint venture ang may hawak ng behringer

Nag-request na ako ng quotation from them.
Thanks.

Offline tjlimjoco

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wow..less 10% pa yan :))) will definitely visit them for a first hand look:)))

Mism0 B0s! at S0undcraft pa yan  :)

Offline niroh

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ang expression ba batang kapatid ng SI Compact?

Online Xelly

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Masbata at masmurang kapatid bro ang alam ko

Offline mixx

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mga sirs ive heard that some of the digital boards nag ha-hang or nag ccrash pag outdoor or mainit yung area, sino na po naka experience and from the three boards mentioned alin po yung mataas na failure rate?

Offline Jef2

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mga sirs ive heard that some of the digital boards nag ha-hang or nag ccrash pag outdoor or mainit yung area, sino na po naka experience and from the three boards mentioned alin po yung mataas na failure rate?



    better make sure to use a line/power conditioner and do frequent updates on the firmware.

Offline eirol_99

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mga sirs ive heard that some of the digital boards nag ha-hang or nag ccrash pag outdoor or mainit yung area, sino na po naka experience and from the three boards mentioned alin po yung mataas na failure rate?

I have used behri x32 outdoors and medyo mainit, ok naman sya so far, basta wag lang blocked yung fan nya sa ilalim, no experience yet on the other 2 brands. better use a UPS para ok ang supply nya.

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Soundcraft SI  :-D

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I have used behri x32 outdoors and medyo mainit, ok naman sya so far, basta wag lang blocked yung fan nya sa ilalim, no experience yet on the other 2 brands. better use a UPS para ok ang supply nya.

Anong brand suggestion nyo sir and sino supplier dito sa Pinas?

Offline eirol_99

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ang daming UPS sa mga computer retailers, maganda APC na brand.

Offline king_james

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The Behringer X32 and the Soundcraft Expression series have fully automated motorized 100 mm faders  :-) :-)

Offline modular07

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Are the philippine dealers of this units can technically support the product? I mean kung maliit na company/installation ka lang tapos nag loko yung unit mo...can they give you a replacement while your unit is on their repair bays? or can their in-house repair department knows na to repair them...o hangang power supply problems pa lang kaya nila....pretty much an isolated case if you could encounter one bad unit..but what if?

For PreSonus YES. we got all the parts needed. And If we dont, we will chop it out from a b.new board. We also have service unit in case of Emergencies.

Offline modular07

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Reasons why StudioLive over the X32?

1. RockSolid,TriedandTrue
There are currently over 50,000 StudioLive mixers out in the field. We are on version 1.6 of our driver and have had numerous updates and improvements along the way. The PreSonus return rate is at 1.8% In other words – PreSonus mixers SELL AND STAY SOLD. The platform is stable and mature.

2. ChockFullofSOLUTIONS
The X32 is just another box with gazintas and gazouttas. StudioLive mixers SOLVE PROBLEMS and allow you to do more because of tight software and hardware integration. What other mixer gives you the following solutions?
•   Capture gives you the simplest 2 button multitrack recording capability with zero set up. Recording the show was never easier.
•   StudioOne Artist is an amazing DAW to fully produce your recordings
•   PreSonus’ wireless IOS apps (SL Remote and QMix) are the best in the
industry at ANY pricepoint (Have you check out Behringer’s ipad app recently? It only has level control. You can’t even tweak an eq or compressor).
•   Virtual StudioLive (VSL) gives you full control over your mixer with a laptop. Only PreSonus gives you built in Rational Acoustics SMAART integration with RTA and Spectograph. The world’s best analysis tools are built in!
•   Nimbit allows you to take your recordings and sell them online in a matter of minutes

3. AnalogWorkflowwithaDigitalBrain
You can teach any customer how to operate the StudioLive in 5 minutes. There’s no layers and digging around pages to get to what you want. Plus there are over 100 StudioLive videos online that will help any customers that want to learn more. http://www.presonus.com/videos/player When you sell a complicated mixer like the X32, get ready for tons of support calls. Especially if you are selling it to a church or club where multiple users will be operating it. The StudioLive sounds great and is the easiest digital mixer to use!

Offline modular07

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Hi Guys, we represent PreSonus

Heres our view of the StudioLive edge over the SoundCraft Expression:

Here are my initial thoughts on the Expression:
 
It looks very menu driven and not as intuitive.
You have to navigate through screens to do simple functions
The multiple layers are not very practical for your average user
The meters are not detailed at all
You have to have a router to use the ipad functionality
The ipad remote doesn’t have much functionality outside of level control
It only has 16 outputs
Doesn’t ship standard with a recording card
Doesn’t have iphone or ipod control
No onboard wireless option
Doesn’t ship with recording software
Doesn’t have built in SMAART analysis software
It doesn’t look like it has a talkback input
Can’t perform a virtual soundcheck with it as it is shipped
These are just a few of the things that I noticed on my first pass at this product.

For Best prices of PreSonus, visit our office. We give you the best discounts and freebies :)
« Last Edit: April 08, 2013, 05:47:17 PM by modular07 »

Offline jeo

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Reposting the following from other forums..just sharing :mrgreen:

There is more configuring with the X32. You cannot just turn it on and use it. You can just turn on the SL24 and use it.
The X32 does not come with a manual. SL does.
The X32 does not have the free software comparable to Capture, StudioOne Artist.
The X32 does not have the built in analyzer functions.
The X32 has noise issues. The talk back mics on our units have been pretty noisy.
The X32 has more and better effects than the SL has.
The X32 has less auxes and busses. You have 16 bus outputs to be shared between auxes, subgroups, master output, etc.
Unbalanced audio I/O in the form of RCAs is better on the SL.
Digital audio input is better on the SL.
The X32 has a matrix. SL does not.
The SL cannot do LCR panning. The X32 can do LCR assignment, but does not allow for active LCR panning.
The X32 will record right to a USB drive.
The SL has the ability to multitrack in and return much, MUCH easier. It is much easier and faster to assign digital returns on the SL.
Adjusting channel controls is a little easier on the SL IMO.
X32s labeling is cooler, although I do pride myself in killer printing and drawing on board tape .
X32s headphone jack is on the side. Hate that. Stupid idea. I keep reaching in the wrong spot for it.
Over-all, I think the X32 is noisier than the SL24.

The first one I installed developed screen flicker, boot up noises on the audio outputs, etc. The first P16D was also bad out of the box, with two bad RJ45 jacks. The S16s were fine.

The routing on the X32 is kind of confusing.
>Use your ears, dont worry about the hype!>"Not everything that counts can be measured and not everything you can measure counts">TECHNIQUE is in the FINGERS & TONE is more in the GEAR>HIYAW, if you didnt get it, its your problem not mine>killed ur killer

Offline modular07

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Right! Plus PreSonus is the only digital mixer in it's class which comes along with SMAART room analysis software and it's FREE. With SMAART, you can produce the best sound required for the room, do speaker sound checks with pink noise, built in RTA, delay lines up to 500 feet.

Offline modular07

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PreSonus is the only digital mixer in it's class which comes along with a SMAART software.....Not all digital mixers are the same

What is Smaart?

Working with Rational Acoustics, PreSonus has streamlined Smaart’s powerful Response™ and Locator™ modules to make it easy to view your P.A. system’s frequency response. Now you have all the information necessary to adjust your sound system using the parametric EQs that are available on the Fat Channel in StudioLive-series mixers. Additionally, Smaart’s Spectra’s™ RTA and Spectrograph can be viewed on top of each output’s graphic EQ so you can analyze your mix or quickly ring out your floor monitors.
Although much simpler and easier to use than the full version of Smaart, VSL’s Smaart implementation is very much the real thing, built with the same technology that is trusted by acousticians and live-sound engineers the world over.
The room is not always your friend.
Deal with it.
In many live environments, the room has not been designed to maximize the listening experience. Sure, you might mix a show in a concert hall with awesome acoustics, but more often, you’re making do in a basement club with a low ceiling and brick walls or in an old warehouse or barn—or perhaps you’re fighting the nightmare acoustics of a sports arena.
In general, the size, construction, and reflectivity of a room are primary factors that significantly affect a sound system’s performance.

Size Matters
The size of the room directly impacts how well certain frequencies will be reproduced. If you measure a room on its diagonal, you will discover how well that room will be able to sustain low frequencies. For example, a 50 Hz wave is about 22.6 feet long. So a room that is 45 feet on the diagonal is going to regenerate low frequencies more effectively than a room that is 15 feet on the diagonal.
When a room’s width or length correlates directly to the size of a waveform at a specific frequency, a standing wave can occur where the initial sound and the reflected sound begin to reinforce each other.
Let’s say we have a long, narrow room where the distance from one side to the other is 22.6 feet. When a 50 Hz wave bounces off the wall, the reflective wave travels right back along the same path and bounces off the other wall and cycle repeats. In a room such as this, 50 Hz reproduces very well—maybe even a little too well. So your mix will have a heavier low-end.
Surfaces and Construction Materials
A room’s construction, including furnishings, also can have a dramatic impact on its sonic signature.
Although we might not think of it often, low-frequency waves are powerful enough to cause the walls, ceiling, and even the floor to flex and move. This is called diaphragmatic action, and it dissipates energy and strips away the low-end definition. So if you’re in an old cotton mill, and the walls and floor are made of thick concrete that don’t vibrate much, the bass response is going to be much more powerful than if you’ve set up a show in an old warehouse where the walls are made of barge board and tin.
Another way a room interacts with sound waves is through reflectivity. Some of this is fairly obvious: soft surfaces like curtains and carpeting absorb more high frequencies, while hard surfaces reflect, which can emphasize the highs. Parallel walls, odd-shaped cubbyholes, and balconies all affect the room’s acoustics.
Reflections can be good and bad. Consider the effect of a cathedral’s reflections on a choir or a piano; this type of reverberation (reverb) is quite desirable. But not all reverb is good reverb.
Reflections can also cause comb filtering. For example, if a speaker is placed near a reflective surface (say, a concrete or painted sheetrock wall), the direct sound coming from the speaker and the reflected sound coming from the wall can arrive at the listener’s ears out of phase with each other. This creates cancellation and reinforcement, sometimes at hard-to-predict frequencies.
The good news is that you can measure what a room does to a sound system, and you can optimize the system to improve its output in that venue. That’s not to say you can make your system sound as good in Madison Square Garden as it would in the superb acoustics of Amsterdam’s Concertgebouw; but you can make it sound a lot better with the right tools, good ears, and some experience.
System optimization and alignment are the processes of minimizing the room’s effect on your speaker’s ability to reproduce sound. System alignment creates the best possible environment for your mix—even if the room isn’t the best possible environment for listening to music. This offers several benefits.

Smaart Measurement Technology and the StudioLive mixer provide the crucial tools that can help you solve these issues. With Smaart, you can really put StudioLive's graphic and parametric EQs to work improving the sound of your P.A.
Precisely identify nasty feedback frequencies. Get your loudspeakers to play nicer with the room they're in — all without having a degree in acoustical engineering. VSL’s Smaart implementation is accessible and intuitive, so that inexperienced users can make basic adjustments to the system, and experienced users can adjust the system quickly and precisely.

Offline tjlimjoco

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B0s modular07, magkano yun Presonus Studiolive na 32 channel?

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B0s modular07, magkano yun Presonus Studiolive na 32 channel?

Baka aabutin ng 300k yun sir. :eek:

Sir Modular07 yung 16.4.2 ba may Smaart Technology?

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Baka aabutin ng 300k yun sir. :eek:

Sir Modular07 yung 16.4.2 ba may Smaart Technology?

sa pagkaka-alam ko sir, lahat ng Studiolive ay may SMAART Technology, if I'm not mistaken

Offline modular07

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SL 32, SL 24, SL 16 po mat SMAART, SL 16.0.2 lang ang wala.