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Re: Ano ba sa iyo ang gitarang may hiyaw?
« Reply #200 on: May 10, 2013, 11:46:09 AM »


this is the reason why i'd rather spend my time on other forums than philmusic. too much BS here

Not BS.  No other way to explain it...

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Re: Ano ba sa iyo ang gitarang may hiyaw?
« Reply #201 on: May 10, 2013, 11:53:36 AM »
Sir Alex...
Chris here... we met at Arie's haus last month
ata.. andun din si Sir Cacoy
THANK YOU for having us test  your GIL YARON at Cumtom shop Gibbie ES.
walang tanung tanung kung sino... basta inabot nalang...
Sa uulitin! haha   :drool:
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« Reply #202 on: May 10, 2013, 12:26:07 PM »
Not BS.  No other way to explain it...

"The mind is like a parachute.  It does not work if it ain't open." -- Frank Zappa

just how did you come to the conclusion na maraming gitaristang hindi nakakrinig ng hiyaw?

i know you have the best gear here pero claiming na karamihan ng gitarista ay hindi nakakrinig ng hiyaw is just ridiculous.

madam auring claims that she has a third eye and not everyone had it. should i believe her claim as well? zappa is a very logical person and for you to quote him for something you don't have proof is unacceptable.
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Re: Ano ba sa iyo ang gitarang may hiyaw?
« Reply #203 on: May 10, 2013, 12:38:12 PM »
Just like any other thread na definition of terms ang problema...wala nanaman ito pinupuntahan.

Pero kung tutuusin simple lang naman tanong ng OT.  Ano ba sa iyo.  So personal definition ang basa ko dito.  Hindi naman sinabing pasok dapat sa definition ni Arie/firemodel. Meron ng thread dati tungkol sa hiyaw na definition ni firemodel.  The science of HIYAW ata yon.  Actually kung magtatanong ka sa karamihan ng gitarista, lalo na mga di nagphiphilmusic, kung ano ang hiyaw sa gitara, baka pinch harmonics or bent note sa higher frets tapos vibrato para magsustain una nila maisip.

So pinakamainam nalang siguro, share ng videos ng hiyaw ayon sa sariling definition.

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« Reply #204 on: May 10, 2013, 12:40:36 PM »
Sir Alex...
Chris here... we met at Arie's haus last month
ata.. andun din si Sir Cacoy
THANK YOU for having us test  your GIL YARON at Cumtom shop Gibbie ES.
walang tanung tanung kung sino... basta inabot nalang...
Sa uulitin! haha   :drool:

Your welcome.  Pero may isa pang modification sa Gil Yaron na hindi umabot noong nag test ka... I suggest test mo.  Grabe ang difference.


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« Reply #205 on: May 10, 2013, 12:53:48 PM »
just how did you come to the conclusion na maraming gitaristang hindi nakakrinig ng hiyaw? (Marami kasing hindi alam kung anong hiyaw.  May mga iba kung i-demonstrate mo, hindi maintindihan or hindi ma pinpoint.)

i know you have the best gear here pero claiming na karamihan ng gitarista ay hindi nakakrinig ng hiyaw is just ridiculous. ( It is NOT the best gear.  Some other people abroad have better gear than I.  I consider it a little bit above average.)

madam auring claims that she has a third eye and not everyone had it. should i believe her claim as well? zappa is a very logical person and for you to quote him for something you don't have proof is unacceptable. (Just because you cannot see beyond the physical realm does not mean no other realm exists.  Logical.  My use for the Zappa quote is that all logic ceases to exist if you one is biased, defensive and not open.)

Randy, just give it a chance and try it out for yourself.  I have no self interest to promote.  Making myself popular will NOT add money for my gear acquisition.  I just want to help people consider or define what a great guitar is and not get caught up with advertising, commercialism of gear that really just sound bad or are NOT their worth.  Right now, I can say 90% of everything out there is crap.  I wish I could have been in music, but I, out of necessity chose a different path but that does not mean that I do not have any musical talent or ability.  You be the judge after you try it.  I won't be even there.

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« Reply #206 on: May 10, 2013, 12:56:34 PM »
Just like any other thread na definition of terms ang problema...wala nanaman ito pinupuntahan.

Pero kung tutuusin simple lang naman tanong ng OT.  Ano ba sa iyo.  So personal definition ang basa ko dito.  Hindi naman sinabing pasok dapat sa definition ni Arie/firemodel. Meron ng thread dati tungkol sa hiyaw na definition ni firemodel.  The science of HIYAW ata yon.  Actually kung magtatanong ka sa karamihan ng gitarista, lalo na mga di nagphiphilmusic, kung ano ang hiyaw sa gitara, baka pinch harmonics or bent note sa higher frets tapos vibrato para magsustain una nila maisip.

So pinakamainam nalang siguro, share ng videos ng hiyaw ayon sa sariling definition.

Better yet, go over to Guitar Hospital and bring your guitar and try out yourself to compare.  No spoon feeding dito boss.  But your point is well taken and noted.

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« Reply #207 on: May 10, 2013, 01:41:51 PM »
^
Agree 100%.  Going to arie for assessment for hiyaw according to his definition is the best way to go.

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« Reply #208 on: May 10, 2013, 01:55:15 PM »
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Randy, just give it a chance and try it out for yourself.  I have no self interest to promote.  Making myself popular will NOT add money for my gear acquisition.  I just want to help people consider or define what a great guitar is and not get caught up with advertising, commercialism of gear that really just sound bad or are NOT their worth.  Right now, I can say 90% of everything out there is crap.  I wish I could have been in music, but I, out of necessity chose a different path but that does not mean that I do not have any musical talent or ability.  You be the judge after you try it.  I won't be even there.

thanks for the offer pero i cant go to arie's place to test your gear dahil nasa ibang bansa ako. i don't have to test your gear, i know it will sound orgasmic with the price you've paid for it. i accept that commercialism sucks, everyone has the same mass produced stuff.

just cant accept the claim that you must have a gift just to hear hiyaw kasi parang pinapalabas mo na the scalarizer really works
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Re: Ano ba sa iyo ang gitarang may hiyaw?
« Reply #209 on: May 10, 2013, 03:03:52 PM »
Frankly i'm more concernef with Alex's health than hiyaw.

Alex, wag kang mamatay ha! Life is too precious, even more precious than hiyaw! Be well kumpadre!
I have stated that there are more bad sounding suhrs then there are good ones.

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« Reply #210 on: May 10, 2013, 03:55:30 PM »
Just a few insights:

1.  People are born with different ears, with different brain configurations.  So chances are, some people may hear hiyaw, some may not.  DITO PA LANG, UBOS NA ORAS NATIN SA PAGTATALO.
2.  Granting that we arrive at a definition of hiyaw, the next question is, how much is it really worth to the player?  Conversely, if your guitar does NOT have hiyaw, should you weep and kill yourself? 
3.  If hiyaw is truly an important aspect to tone, then how come some great players can 'pass up' on guitars with hiyaw?   Maybe the hiyaw does not fit their style of playing, or maybe they just can't take full advantage of it.

But as for guitars with hiyaw, I honestly feel that it makes the guitar speak back to you.  I dunno.  That's how I feel about hiyaw.  I look for that quality in guitars where it does not become a struggle to play with it (even in clean tone) and no it is not pickup output, but something endemic to the guitar's overall character.  It's a rare quality, but it is not a necessity to some.

And lastly, granting that we can line up all the guitars in the world, and sort the ones with 'hiyaw' and those that do not,  and the salesman wants to charge an extra $2000 for the ones that have it, is it worth it?  What about at an extra $1k?  Or extra $800?



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« Reply #211 on: May 10, 2013, 04:58:51 PM »
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thanks for the offer pero i cant go to arie's place to test your gear dahil nasa ibang bansa ako. i don't have to test your gear, i know it will sound orgasmic with the price you've paid for it. i accept that commercialism sucks, everyone has the same mass produced stuff.

just cant accept the claim that you must have a gift just to hear hiyaw kasi parang pinapalabas mo na the scalarizer really works

oh... ok abroad ka pala. Marami rin mahal na gitara na panget.  Believe me nakaka disappoint.

I know there are others who can hear hiyaw and that is what I believe.  I just have the ability to sort thru guitars for hiyaw real fast and more importantly luck to get to the guitars with hiyaw.  Mas maraming panget ka madadaanan na gitara bago umabot sa gitara na may hiyaw.

I never believed in the scalarizer.  In fact, I was one of the first people who flamed it and even suggested spending money on an Angela Paper in Oil Cap instead of the scalarizer. 

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Re: Ano ba sa iyo ang gitarang may hiyaw?
« Reply #212 on: May 10, 2013, 05:01:49 PM »
langhiya yung scalarizer na yan, ok na sana..tapos nakita ko yung website..hahaha..

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Re: Ano ba sa iyo ang gitarang may hiyaw?
« Reply #213 on: May 10, 2013, 05:11:16 PM »
langhiya yung scalarizer na yan, ok na sana..tapos nakita ko yung website..hahaha..

mayroon pa siyang pangpahaba ng bird..hahaha freaky.. tsaka yung mp3 player na kakabitan mo ng picture ng crush mo..WTF..hahaha

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« Reply #214 on: May 10, 2013, 05:17:16 PM »
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Re: Ano ba sa iyo ang gitarang may hiyaw?
« Reply #215 on: May 10, 2013, 05:34:20 PM »
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In general, charismatic personalities are known for their inescapable magnetism, their winning style, the self assurance with which they promote something, a cause, a belief, a product. A charismatic person who offers hope of new beginnings often attracts attention and a following. Over the years we have witnessed the likes of this in Dale Carnegie, Werner Erhard (founder of est, now the Forum), John Hanley (founder of Lifespring), Mahareshi Mahesh Yogi, Shirley MacLaine, John Bradshaw, Marianne Williamson, Ramtha channeler J. Z. Knight, and a rash of Amway "executives," weight loss program promoters and body building gurus.

One dictionary definition of charisma is "a personal magic of leadership arousing special popular loyalty or enthusiasm for a public figure (as a political leader or military commander); a special magnetic charm, or appeal." (5) Charisma was studied in depth by the German sociologist Max Weber, who defined it as "an exceptional quality in an individual who, through appearing to possess supernatural, providential or extraordinary powers, succeeds in gathering disciples around him."(6)

Weber's charismatic leader was "a sorcerer with an innovative aura and a personal magnetic gift, [who] promoted a specific doctrine....[and was] concerned with himself rather than involved with others....[He] held an exceptional type of power: it set aside the usage's of normal political life and assumed instead those of demagoguery, dictatorship, or revolution, [which induced] men's whole hearted devotion to the charismatic individual through a blind and fanatical trust and an unrestrained and uncritical faith."(7)

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Re: Ano ba sa iyo ang gitarang may hiyaw?
« Reply #216 on: May 10, 2013, 05:36:20 PM »


I never believed in the scalarizer.  In fact, I was one of the first people who flamed it and even suggested spending money on an Angela Paper in Oil Cap instead of the scalarizer.

Or just buy a new set of pickups.  :-D

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Re: Ano ba sa iyo ang gitarang may hiyaw?
« Reply #217 on: May 10, 2013, 07:02:49 PM »
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Re: Ano ba sa iyo ang gitarang may hiyaw?
« Reply #218 on: May 10, 2013, 11:29:44 PM »
Hala bakit ganun...About 8-9 years ago Arie explained to me what he called is "Hiyaw". He explained it very simple, logical and comprehendable way. Bakit from back reading parang full blown chismis na definition ng "hiyaw". People are analysing too much, complicating by overthinking, and standing on a very poorly equated logic... Now to discredit such, people categorized it as a mental condition, to a cult practice, to paranormal phenomena...ect? Parang political arena na rin etong thread na eto... :eek:

 
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« Reply #219 on: May 11, 2013, 02:08:19 AM »
^just curious bro, if it is simple & comprehensible, so what's the explanation of 'hiyaw' according to arie daw bro?

Share mo naman  :)
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« Reply #220 on: May 11, 2013, 03:17:40 AM »
I have to disagree.  In my experience, less than 1-2% of guitars made have it.  And halos wala sa mga cheap. 

Don't confuse HIYAW for love of guitar playing.  Those are two different aspects.
Pero pwede mong pahiyawin ang gitara kung may pagmamahal ka sa paggigitara.
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Re: Ano ba sa iyo ang gitarang may hiyaw?
« Reply #221 on: May 11, 2013, 04:20:30 AM »
Sometimes hiyaw cannot be find in the guitar itself unless it is plugged in the right amp. Guitar and amp has a chemistry. If you find the perfect match of guitar and amp then the product is HIYAW.

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« Reply #222 on: May 11, 2013, 05:30:24 AM »
Pero pwede mong pahiyawin ang gitara kung may pagmamahal ka sa paggigitara.

Pero mas madali at marami sa gitara na mayroon hiyaw...

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« Reply #223 on: May 11, 2013, 07:44:43 AM »
an attempt at cutting through the BS and being completely objective about "hiyaw":

i think what Alex is referring to when he first started calling it "hiyaw" is yung way some guitars emphasize higher overtones and sustain them longer than the fundamental tones. strings naturally vibrate in more than one frequency and you can hear the higher pitched ones as a note decays. some guitars DO tend to hold those tones longer than others.

yung natural harmonics you can play on the 12th, 7th and 5th frets of the guitar? those harmonics are usually present on every note in the guitar. its just that you hear the loudest one (the fundamental tone, which is the biggest ossilation) first then it decays into the harmonics as different portions of the string go into smaller ossilations, like in a natural harmonic sa 12th fret where you have the string vibrating between the nut to 12th fret as 1 node then another between the 12th fret to bridge as another node. then those decay into smaller nodes.

take a guitar on a stand, plick an open string. you'll hear the fundamental tone (the first "BOONNNNGGG...") then decay into a higher pitched, softer tone (the "NNNGGG...") at the tail of the note. thats usuallly the equivalent in pitch to one of those natural harmonics.

i've had a few guitars where the first tone dies out too fast (for me) and fades into those higher overtones ON SPECIFIC NOTES. like the washburn ct2q i sold to veggie joe years back. it did that on Bb but not all Bb notes. just the one on the 1st string, 6th fret. and on the 2nd string, 11th fret. and on the 3rd string, 15th fret. THAT note. it wasnt a function of setting it up right to get the note to ring out clearly. tune the guitar half a step down and the magic note would move up a fret. THAT guitar was doing crazy things with THAT note.

some "magical" guitars do it all over the neck and some sustain then transition from the fundamental tone into those overtones consistently. on some guitars, those overtones dont sustain too long. some people like the overtones to stay long, some prefer the guitar to hold the fundamental tone, some like a good mix of both. this is why sustainer systems have switches that allows you to choose what tones or overtones the sustainer will be holding.

some ears will like it, some wont. it certainly isn't an indicator of desireability. no more than the color of the finish or the type of knobs used.

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« Reply #224 on: May 11, 2013, 07:59:08 AM »