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Offline badfinger

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Re: Christian buyers at classifieds
« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2013, 10:25:22 AM »
Ginagawa bang sangkalan ang CHURCH nila para makuha ang gusto at pigain ka, at para di ka makatanggi? LOLS  hmmmm MALI na yan.... gawa ka ng KARATULA eto ilagay mo para mahiya-hiya naman kahit Leader nila...

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meaning: Dapat hindi ikaw ang magdikta sa presyong gusto mo... hintayin mo na ibigay yun sayo ng kusa at maluwag sa loob nya... hindi yung ibibigay sayo dahil pinipilit mo...  eh nakuha mo nga yung gusto mo kasi napilit mo, pinighati mo naman yung kapwa mo kasi  nilugi mo nag abuno pa... edi nagkasala kapa....

Sa akin walang problema basta ang sinasabi sana ay laging totoo. Baka na generalized na rin natin tuloy. Ang tawaran ng presyo nangyayari yan sa bentahan di lang sa mga instrumento.


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Re: Christian buyers at classifieds
« Reply #26 on: August 14, 2013, 04:15:36 AM »
I never believe when buyers use the term "sa church toh gagamitin" possibly a buyer would buy the item then donate it or he will buy it personally then use it in church,

but if you ask the question that the church would be buying it directly?? never!!

before a church would buy an equipment they always ask for a quotation from a reputable store, then a purchasing team or the church council will decide if the purchase is approved, always the lowest bidder wins!! once they gave the go signal  & the purchase was done, finance dept will ask official reciept for auditing in which a second hand seller from PM cant provide.

there is nothing wrong if a buyer ask for a discount or "tawad" its in our culture, but low balling is a different story..

Just put in mind that a seller would not sell his/her beloved possesion if he/she is not in need...  :cry:

sometimes as a buyer put your self in to a sincere sellers shoes & you will understand!
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Re: Christian buyers at classifieds
« Reply #27 on: August 14, 2013, 09:45:12 AM »
I never believe when buyers use the term "sa church toh gagamitin" possibly a buyer would buy the item then donate it or he will buy it personally then use it in church,

but if you ask the question that the church would be buying it directly?? never!!

before a church would buy an equipment they always ask for a quotation from a reputable store, then a purchasing team or the church council will decide if the purchase is approved, always the lowest bidder wins!! once they gave the go signal  & the purchase was done, finance dept will ask official reciept for auditing in which a second hand seller from PM cant provide.

there is nothing wrong if a buyer ask for a discount or "tawad" its in our culture, but low balling is a different story..

Just put in mind that a seller would not sell his/her beloved possesion if he/she is not in need...  :cry:

sometimes as a buyer put your self in to a sincere sellers shoes & you will understand!

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Re: Christian buyers at classifieds
« Reply #28 on: August 23, 2013, 02:04:36 PM »
I never believe when buyers use the term "sa church toh gagamitin" possibly a buyer would buy the item then donate it or he will buy it personally then use it in church,

but if you ask the question that the church would be buying it directly?? never!!

before a church would buy an equipment they always ask for a quotation from a reputable store, then a purchasing team or the church council will decide if the purchase is approved, always the lowest bidder wins!! once they gave the go signal  & the purchase was done, finance dept will ask official reciept for auditing in which a second hand seller from PM cant provide.

there is nothing wrong if a buyer ask for a discount or "tawad" its in our culture, but low balling is a different story..

Just put in mind that a seller would not sell his/her beloved possesion if he/she is not in need...  :cry:

sometimes as a buyer put your self in to a sincere sellers shoes & you will understand!

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Re: Christian buyers at classifieds
« Reply #29 on: August 24, 2013, 11:18:12 PM »
I never believe when buyers use the term "sa church toh gagamitin" possibly a buyer would buy the item then donate it or he will buy it personally then use it in church,

but if you ask the question that the church would be buying it directly?? never!!

before a church would buy an equipment they always ask for a quotation from a reputable store, then a purchasing team or the church council will decide if the purchase is approved, always the lowest bidder wins!! once they gave the go signal  & the purchase was done, finance dept will ask official reciept for auditing in which a second hand seller from PM cant provide.

there is nothing wrong if a buyer ask for a discount or "tawad" its in our culture, but low balling is a different story..

Just put in mind that a seller would not sell his/her beloved possesion if he/she is not in need...  :cry:

sometimes as a buyer put your self in to a sincere sellers shoes & you will understand!
I sometimes do this. I'm a pastor. What does this make me?

Not all churches in our country have corporate departments, brother. Only big, established churches have it and quite frankly there's more small churches than big here. Our local church in particular only has a treasurer and some of our purchases, in order to save, are second hand. Not all churches have the pockets to:

1. Always ask for a quotation from a reputable store
2. Have a Purchasing Team
3. Call for bidding

I pray that you don't judge people that easily, moving forward. Not everything is what it seems.


Offline kaishin_zurcs

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Re: Christian buyers at classifieds
« Reply #30 on: August 25, 2013, 04:42:58 PM »
 I don't think that buyers or sellers need to use "church" para makabawas ng presyo. para din kasing gingmit yun para makadiscount e. God will supply all  our needs. if hindi kaya ng budget para bumili nun, then maybe its not yet time or maybe may mas mura na swak sa budget ng church ang dadating din. When I sell my stuff medjo sumisimple ako ng tanong kung saan ggmitin. pag binagit yung church dun pa lng bnbgyan ng malaking discount.
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« Reply #31 on: August 25, 2013, 08:40:21 PM »
I don't think that buyers or sellers need to use "church" para makabawas ng presyo. para din kasing gingmit yun para makadiscount e. God will supply all  our needs. if hindi kaya ng budget para bumili nun, then maybe its not yet time or maybe may mas mura na swak sa budget ng church ang dadating din. When I sell my stuff medjo sumisimple ako ng tanong kung saan ggmitin. pag binagit yung church dun pa lng bnbgyan ng malaking discount.
It all boils down to the motive of the person doing it (using "church" to get discounts). I don't think we should establish a rule on this. Moreover, I don't think successfully getting a discount from a purchase using "church" with the right motives is not "God supplying all our needs." Again, with much humility, my only point is I hope we don't prejudge anyone just because they are not practicing how we do things.

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« Reply #32 on: September 03, 2013, 09:22:47 AM »
Again, with much humility, my only point is I hope we don't prejudge anyone just because they are not practicing how we do things.

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Re: Christian buyers at classifieds
« Reply #33 on: October 10, 2013, 01:12:50 PM »
This is my personal belief:

"If this equipment by the church for the church then leave it as it is"

I usually tell this sa mga stores (JB,AP,PP) etc. I dont want to issue them discount towards me since may budget allocated ang church para sa mga ganyan. I Just want to inform them that this is not for my glory, but for God. Alam ko kasing mas marami silang alam regarding sa mga Acoustics ng church and ako, noobitus talaga, so i personally ask for their advice.

On the other hand, if my equipment is being bought and if he tells me that he is a christian, i would give my fair decision on that. ofcourse lower than my selling price. After all, it will be for God's glory din naman diba? IF i sell something that would help others praise God then so be it. Masaya ako sa ganon, pero if my buyer will just use that equipment for non-praising God activities (alam na natin ung kung anu anu ung mga yon), Its up to him. All of these things are given to us by God to use it for praising him. God's judgement is forgiving after all diba? no one can hide under God's eyes.
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Offline anton_mtegtr

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« Reply #34 on: October 11, 2013, 12:20:20 AM »
I sometimes do this. I'm a pastor. What does this make me?

Not all churches in our country have corporate departments, brother. Only big, established churches have it and quite frankly there's more small churches than big here. Our local church in particular only has a treasurer and some of our purchases, in order to save, are second hand. Not all churches have the pockets to:

1. Always ask for a quotation from a reputable store
2. Have a Purchasing Team
3. Call for bidding

I pray that you don't judge people that easily, moving forward. Not everything is what it seems.

to pastor skyjammer:

I apologized if you think we are judging, we are not.  What we are doing is exchanging opinions, this is a forum and  this is what people do in a forum.

In your point that you are administering a small local church, I also came from a local fellowship not even a local church in a province far north when Im still living there, when we decided to buy the equipment's for our worship team they assign "ME" (alone) "one person" to be in charge of procuring the said equipment, I go around music store, classified website like PM to get prices & to compare them, in tagalog "nag kakanvas" I alone acted as;

1. Always ask for a quotation from a reputable store
2. Have a Purchasing Team
3. Call for bidding

as you mentioned you have a treasurer, also acts as auditor, he/ she will be your accounting dept right? reports your church finances.

once I decide where to buy new or secondhand, I still need to atleast present a proof of purchase or print out the classified add & present it to the congregation or to the treasurer, just to avoid doubt.

so I fall on what I stated "possibly a buyer would buy the item then donate it or he will buy it personally then use it in church"

and I do that voluntarily, no pay or what so ever.

what we are discussing here on this thread are buyers who lowball's  seller or "garapal kung mangbarat" & using GOD/church to do this.

again pastor this is just a clarification on your post, no bad intentions.
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Re: Christian buyers at classifieds
« Reply #35 on: October 11, 2013, 09:38:38 AM »
Ako walang kaso sa akin kung sabihin na "Sa Church gagamitin" or kung ano man ang rason niya for asking discount or lower price, basta magkasundo lang kami sa presyo ok na ko dun.  Ngayon kung sinabi ko na yung last price ko at humihingi pa rin ng discount, ibang usapan na yun and either I don't reply or reply respectfully na yun na talaga.

Ang medyo naiinis lang ako kapag ang ginamit na term is "Sa Church lang naman gagamitin", para bang minamaliit ang music ministry, which is hindi dapat.

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« Reply #36 on: October 11, 2013, 10:28:13 AM »
Ako walang kaso sa akin kung sabihin na "Sa Church gagamitin" or kung ano man ang rason niya for asking discount or lower price, basta magkasundo lang kami sa presyo ok na ko dun.  Ngayon kung sinabi ko na yung last price ko at humihingi pa rin ng discount, ibang usapan na yun and either I don't reply or reply respectfully na yun na talaga.

Ang medyo naiinis lang ako kapag ang ginamit na term is "Sa Church lang naman gagamitin", para bang minamaliit ang music ministry, which is hindi dapat.

I agree with u Sir....pag sa church kung kakayanin mas maganda syrmpre kung kaya ng budget.

Anyway, tlga nman pwede magcanvas d ba? pero I never tried 2nd buying. I always buy dun sa mga suki nating tindahan at regarding sa presyo kung me makikitang mababa dun ako. They will always audit me syempre sa mga receipt and kung me gusto kaming bilin na mahal pinag  iipunan namin ito basta kailangan. I never propose sa mga indi nmin kailangan, we tend to have discussions and proposals sa council dahil indi nman gaano kalaki ang budget allocation para sa P&W nmin. Pero i do not want to give God na basta basta lang, onti lang kami sa team at mgagaling tlga mga kasama ko kaya we can compensate na maging maganda yung song, indi nga lang ganun katindi mga solos nmin... :-D

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« Reply #38 on: October 25, 2013, 03:19:46 PM »
http://talk.philmusic.com/index.php?topic=303553.0

nakita nyo na po siguro to...


yeah! nkita ko yang thread n yan! ung BOGUS ALERT

so sad nga eh

aun! c Lord lng tlga ang nki2ta sa atin kung tlgang totoong Christian musician b tayo or ngku2nwari lng tau sa pgi2ng Christian ntin lalo sa music...

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« Reply #39 on: November 06, 2013, 08:26:49 PM »
- I've met to buy/sell with several guys claiming to be Christians, so far, I never had an experience to say the line "para sa church naman" to lower the price. Most transaction i had, we'll just know we're both Christian after the transaction, yung tipong nagkkwentuhan kung san ka tumutugtog. Part ng testimony ko the coming Sunday na Christian yung nkatransact ko. We'll to those who uses the line, God knows who you are and His wrath is upon you!
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« Reply #40 on: December 06, 2013, 08:57:10 PM »
What's your take on christian buyers at classifieds, (or they just say they are christian)...be it here at philmusic, sulit, fb etc...
that uses the line "bro, sa church naman gagamitin baka pwede...then they lowball"  ....
or" if they are selling " church used...at a higher price"...
or worst case..selling items that are way to far from their description...(mas pangit)

Perpetually annoyed. The gall of these people to negotiate for lower price in spite of the fact that they freely give their money to their church that doesn't get taxed for it.
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« Reply #41 on: December 27, 2013, 05:57:12 PM »
i was once a seller before and i used the term "sa church lang ginagamit" not to sugar coat anything pero dahil sa church ko lang talaga ginagamit un keys. personal item ko un pero never ko un gnamit sa gigs or elsewhere. check na lang din siguro ng buyer kung honest din ung seller.  :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

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« Reply #42 on: February 06, 2014, 09:45:18 PM »
About these thread,

Well IMO, if someone tells you that he/she would buy the item and says "sa church gagamitin" or "mga christian ang gagamit" or "christian din po ako", it's unto your conviction, if you he give him/her what he/she wants/needs. and the good things is, God is also just, let Him be the judge for all the circumstances of everyone who uses His name/ministry in vain. if you have done your part then you're done, after that God will take care of the rest.

ako i tell the seller na church player din ako, but never will i lowball to someone and use the "church" just to get what i want. the people we're dealing with are doesn't understand why we are sayoing this and might have the chance to be stumbled.

Pakiusap lang din sana sa mga gumagamit ng mga term na ito sa classifieds para makuha ang mga gusto nila, matakot kayo. makalusot man kayo sa amin, kay Lord hindi! ^-^
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« Reply #43 on: February 07, 2014, 10:35:03 AM »
aq din hindi ko n sinasabe na christian aq kasi mahirap ma-brand na low baller kasi may mga gumamit ng term na " gagamitin ko sa church " one way of lowballing nila w/c is sad to hear!

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« Reply #44 on: February 20, 2014, 04:47:04 PM »
bakit pa kase kailangan banggitin yung church sa transactions e, nakaka asar lang yung ganon.

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« Reply #45 on: February 20, 2014, 07:05:21 PM »
Maganda sana kung bilang seller, in your own little way makakatulong ka sa ministry or church na nangangailangan.
Yun ay kung totoo yung kausap mo. Ang problema lang, masyado nang na-aabuso at minsan nagagamit pa sa panloloko.
Kaya tuloy minsan ang hirap na maniwala kung ganyan ang reason ng buyer.


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« Reply #46 on: February 21, 2014, 08:57:19 AM »
To the real Christian buyers: Don't pass the burden of "helping "the church/ministry to the seller. You alone decided to "donate" instruments to your church. Now don't use the seller's conscience against himself. Plus, the seller is trying to recover or get his money's worth with the sale. Yes you can haggle the price, but please refrain from using your church as a discount tool. Remember, God will provide.

To the sellers, Christian or otherwise: Have a little bit of discernment. Not all who profess to be Christians are indeed Christians. Sometimes, sellers do the same thing: "sa church lang ginamit yan". It doesn't mean anything. Truth be told, church equipment is more often than not ill-maintained. "Kasi di naman akin yan eh".

To the fake Christian buyers/sellers: shame on all of you. May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits. :)




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« Reply #47 on: March 31, 2014, 02:53:40 PM »
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« Reply #48 on: April 01, 2014, 08:18:34 PM »
^^ibang level din kakulitan nyo sir. Di naman ito classifieds, pinaguusapan po dito yung mga Kristyanong buyers na medyo pasaway.

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« Reply #49 on: April 01, 2014, 09:22:09 PM »
Seller: Sir, benta ko itong gitara ko, pandagdag funds lang sa church.

Buyer: Ok bilhin ko na. Pwede discount? Gagamitin lang sa church.

Seller: ...

Buyer: ...


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