ANG TOTOONG BLUESERO inborn... hindi pinag aaralan...

[Ralph_Petrucci]

Sino ba ang nakakaalam ng 10 greatest bluesero of all time? kung mas marami ang walang formal education eh panalo si ts.

Ang pinaguusapan dito eh kung inborn ba daw ang blues talent. no need to self study or to take formal lessons.

[mayoroadie]

Ang pinaguusapan dito eh kung inborn ba daw ang blues talent. no need to self study or to take formal lessons.

alam kung tama ka...ang mali lang siguro ay yung pagkakaintindi ko kay ts na di na kailangan ng formal lesson para maging isang magaling na bluesero..peace 

[robertshanepascual]

Inborn - Exist from the time of birth.

[mayoroadie]

 

Inborn - Exist from the time of birth.

[qroon]

- be open minded lang sana Sir, even the african american people aware dto, hindi to discrimination, pnapaliwanag ko na even nung years of slavery nagawang sumama ni Clapton sa mga black people para mag aral nang blues, kahit delekado. sinasabe ko ung Times nang earlier 19th century not to offend someone under discrimination.

I'm asking you to provide info na sumama sya sa mga African Americans during the time of slavery. Because the African Americans were emancipated in 1863. So legally, wala ng slaves nung panahon ni Clapton.

What am I getting into? Be precise, back-up your statements. Making sweeping statements like the thread title would get you nowhere. Mabubutasan ang arguments mo.

[Kusanagi]

Every true guitarist must know any of the blues.

+1 to this. Naalala ko yung sinabi ni Marty Friedman sa Melodic Control na kahit gaano ka pa ka metulz you have to know even a little of Blues. IMO para magka starting point ang isang gitarista when it comes to learning or during actual improvisation. And another thing is maybe dahil madali rin kasi gamitin ang "Blues Scale", which is a pentatonic scale with added blue notes. Konti lang kailangan aralin, makakagawa ka na agad ng funky music.

Regarding sa statement ni TS, maybe ang naging basis ng kanyang argument ay, for a person to be identified as a true Blues artist, yung mga Blues licks, riffs and melodies ay dapat readily available sa kanya once he learns how to play any kind of instrument and without having to hear a Blues song. Di na kailangan ng kahit konting fiddling, noodling and doodling para malaman niya yung Blue notes, Blues progressions and turn-arounds. Siguro sinasabi niya na kailangan mo ng Blues genes para ma consider ka as TOTOONG BLUESERO.  In short kailangan maging ganito ka:

   

[j.nikko3123]

uu nag punta syang chicago at the age of 14 para kumuha at maghalungkat nang mga chords, dahil na din sa lack of sources nung panahong yon. sinabe nya un sa isang interview before a tribute concert na hindi ko na maalala.

Wow,never heard of that though, but as far as I remembered he received his first guitar at the age of 13. So I guess Clapton was really innate with the blues for him to seek guidance in a foreign land by that age.     

[toshi_joovshin]

Wow,never heard of that though, but as far as I remembered he received his first guitar at the age of 13. So I guess Clapton was really innate with the blues for him to seek guidance in a foreign land by that age. 

He's first Guitar is an acoustic hoyer Guitar, he received it as a birth day gift for his thirteenth birth day. pero nag simula sya mag blues at the age of 15. after a year (16) dun na sya nag travel kung saan saan para maexplore ang mundo nang blues, busking around along Richmond, London, Chicago, Kingston, West End, etc., and when he reached 17, he joined his first band The Roosters pero na disband din un nung taong un, after eight months, dun na pumasok sila Keith Relf and Paul Smith na nabuo as Yardbirds, then tuloy tuloy na ang pagkaadik nya sa blues hanggang kay George Harrison at hanggang ngayon.

[toshi_joovshin]

I'm asking you to provide info na sumama sya sa mga African Americans during the time of slavery. Because the African Americans were emancipated in 1863. So legally, wala ng slaves nung panahon ni Clapton.

What am I getting into? Be precise, back-up your statements. Making sweeping statements like the thread title would get you nowhere. Mabubutasan ang arguments mo.

earlier of 19th century, slavery starts in the year of 1920 ends 1981 with an average of 8%, tinapos nalang ung documentaries kasi banishing na, natapos kasi ung slavery nang 1865 na may 254,000 numbers, and that is 80.3% Sir. Well, nung sinabi un ni Clapton sa interview hindi na ko nag halungkat, hindi naman siguro sya mag sisinungaling.

[fretboard]

+1 to this. Naalala ko yung sinabi ni Marty Friedman sa Melodic Control na kahit gaano ka pa ka metulz you have to know even a little of Blues. IMO para magka starting point ang isang gitarista when it comes to learning or during actual improvisation. And another thing is maybe dahil madali rin kasi gamitin ang "Blues Scale", which is a pentatonic scale with added blue notes. Konti lang kailangan aralin, makakagawa ka na agad ng funky music.

Regarding sa statement ni TS, maybe ang naging basis ng kanyang argument ay, for a person to be identified as a true Blues artist, yung mga Blues licks, riffs and melodies ay dapat readily available sa kanya once he learns how to play any kind of instrument and without having to hear a Blues song. Di na kailangan ng kahit konting fiddling, noodling and doodling para malaman niya yung Blue notes, Blues progressions and turn-arounds. Siguro sinasabi niya na kailangan mo ng Blues genes para ma consider ka as TOTOONG BLUESERO.  In short kailangan maging ganito ka:



   

+1 hehe, nung nag attend ako ng guitar clinic ni kiko loureiro ditto sa KL, may comment din sya "bakit kapag impromptu jams dapat blues? well maybe that's the place where we all belong.

actually kuha naman ng lahat ang point ni TS 
ang medyo sumabit lang e yung word na " hindi pinag aaralan"

kaya dun umikot ang discussion instead na sa PASSION SA BLUES!

kung babasahin din natin mga posts ni toshi_joovshin , same POV parin naman satin , na technical lang sya dahil sa eric Clapton comment nya,
 which I think went out of bounds dahil kahit sa mga statements nya
nakalagay dun na nagaral parin si mr.clapton, hanap ng chords, went to different places to LEARN some more! so nagaral parin diba?

[Ralph_Petrucci]

+1 hehe, nung nag attend ako ng guitar clinic ni kiko loureiro ditto sa KL, may comment din sya "bakit kapag impromptu jams dapat blues? well maybe that's the place where we all belong.

actually kuha naman ng lahat ang point ni TS 
ang medyo sumabit lang e yung word na " hindi pinag aaralan"

kaya dun umikot ang discussion instead na sa PASSION SA BLUES!

kung babasahin din natin mga posts ni toshi_joovshin , same POV parin naman satin , na technical lang sya dahil sa eric Clapton comment nya,
 which I think went out of bounds dahil kahit sa mga statements nya
nakalagay dun na nagaral parin si mr.clapton, hanap ng chords, went to different places to LEARN some more! so nagaral parin diba?

Mejo mahilig lang talaga siya sa numbers na hindi mo alam kung san niya nakuha. pero i get the point though. hahahaha

[fretboard]

^ 80%? di ko parin alam saan galing yun

[j.nikko3123]

He's first Guitar is an acoustic hoyer Guitar, he received it as a birth day gift for his thirteenth birth day. pero nag simula sya mag blues at the age of 15. after a year (16) dun na sya nag travel kung saan saan para maexplore ang mundo nang blues, busking around along Richmond, London, Chicago, Kingston, West End, etc., and when he reached 17, he joined his first band The Roosters pero na disband din un nung taong un, after eight months, dun na pumasok sila Keith Relf and Paul Smith na nabuo as Yardbirds, then tuloy tuloy na ang pagkaadik nya sa blues hanggang kay George Harrison at hanggang ngayon.

So what happened with his journey to chicago when he was 14???

[toshi_joovshin]

So what happened with his journey to chicago when he was 14???

not 14, 16. puro black american ang nag guide sa knya dun. that's what happen.

[toshi_joovshin]

^,ipunin mo ung lahat nang blues player or marunong magblues na kilala mo, tas himayin mo kung sino ung mga hindi pumasok sa school para matuto mag blues, makakabuo ka nang 80% o higit pa.

[j.nikko3123]

not 14, 16. puro black american ang nag guide sa knya dun. that's what happen.

Should I believe you? You seem to say that with conviction...but then again you've also said this:

uu nag punta syang chicago at the age of 14 para kumuha at maghalungkat nang mga chords, dahil na din sa lack of sources nung panahong yon. sinabe nya un sa isang interview before a tribute concert na hindi ko na maalala.

oh spare my small brain,that's too much history.

[toshi_joovshin]

Should I believe you? You seem to say that with conviction...but then again you've also said this:

oh spare my small brain,that's too much history.

not 14, 16, my bad typo lang, pero 16 years old sya nag simulang gumala hindi 14, yan ang totoong alam at sagot ko. tsaka ang side ko lang naman lahat nang tao pwedeng mag blues, like Clapton na sinabe ko nga at humaba na nang ganto ung usapan na hindi ko alam kung baket kelangan kong magpaliwanag nang todo, well, hindi sya gifted, matyaga lang tlga sya.

[gnarly]

satan: hindi totoo yan.chenes lang yang inborn chorva na yan. si robert johnson nakiapag-eb sa akin noon sa crossroads at may dalang gitara. ang siste, sa akin pa ipina-tono yung guitur. itinono ko naman at made sure na tama ang bawat nota. i played him some tasty licks tapos nakipag-bargain na in exchange for his soul magiging magaling siyang bluesero. bago siya madami na ding nakipag-meetup sa akin sa crossroads. kaya tigilan niyo ako  sa mga  inborn-inborn na yan ha.

 

[fretboard]

^,ipunin mo ung lahat nang blues player or marunong magblues na kilala mo, tas himayin mo kung sino ung mga hindi pumasok sa school para matuto mag blues, makakabuo ka nang 80% o higit pa.

san mo nakuha yung 80%?

tsaka kanino ba galing yung 80% bakit kailangan ako magipon? ikaw yung nagbibigay ng FIGURES and PERSONA kung sino ang totoong blusero e,

back up your statements! dun palang sa eric Clapton story mo sablay na, andami kong link na napost for your reference.

so conclusion mo pag di pumasok sa music school hindi na nagaral ng blues?

satan: hindi totoo yan.chenes lang yang inborn chorva na yan. si robert johnson nakiapag-eb sa akin noon sa crossroads at may dalang gitara. ang siste, sa akin pa ipina-tono yung guitur. itinono ko naman at made sure na tama ang bawat nota. i played him some tasty licks tapos nakipag-bargain na in exchange for his soul magiging magaling siyang bluesero. bago siya madami na ding nakipag-meetup sa akin sa crossroads. kaya tigilan niyo ako  sa mga  inborn-inborn na yan ha.

 

hahaha yan ang sa simula palang e pinupunto ng mga tao, meron lang di makaintindi. 

[harugrugrug]

hahaha yan ang sa simula palang e pinupunto ng mga tao, meron lang di makaintindi. 

Tomoooooooo.... Anyway bahala na Siya,magpraktis na lang ako,hehe

[dirtybluesplayer]

satan: hindi totoo yan.chenes lang yang inborn chorva na yan. si robert johnson nakiapag-eb sa akin noon sa crossroads at may dalang gitara. ang siste, sa akin pa ipina-tono yung guitur. itinono ko naman at made sure na tama ang bawat nota. i played him some tasty licks tapos nakipag-bargain na in exchange for his soul magiging magaling siyang bluesero. bago siya madami na ding nakipag-meetup sa akin sa crossroads. kaya tigilan niyo ako  sa mga  inborn-inborn na yan ha.

 

hahaha buti nalang at i'm not into fame and magaling, kundi i don't have my soul already.

[mayoroadie]

actually kuha naman ng lahat ang point ni TS 
ang medyo sumabit lang e yung word na " hindi pinag aaralan"

kung babasahin din natin mga posts ni toshi_joovshin , same POV parin naman satin , na technical lang sya dahil sa eric Clapton comment nya

o ayan ayusss na pala ang lahat...bluesero ka man since birth o doctor of blues...tugtugan na. 

[fretboard]

o ayan ayusss na pala ang lahat...bluesero ka man since birth o doctor of blues...tugtugan na. 

hahaha after ng comment kong yan, may HIRIT parin si maestro e, mukhang kailangan ko bawiin ang statement ko 

[harugrugrug]

hahaha after ng comment kong yan, may HIRIT parin si maestro e, mukhang kailangan ko bawiin ang statement ko 

Kaya nga e,nakapagpraktis nako at lahat,haynakoooo.
Makikinig na lang ako SRV,hehe

[toshi_joovshin]

san mo nakuha yung 80%?

tsaka kanino ba galing yung 80% bakit kailangan ako magipon? ikaw yung nagbibigay ng FIGURES and PERSONA kung sino ang totoong blusero e,

back up your statements! dun palang sa eric Clapton story mo sablay na, andami kong link na napost for your reference.

so conclusion mo pag di pumasok sa music school hindi na nagaral ng blues?

hahaha yan ang sa simula palang e pinupunto ng mga tao, meron lang di makaintindi. 

80% - sarili kong figures. isama mo na ko sa mga hindi pumasok sa music school pero natutong mag blues nang sarili ko lang - yan ang pinupunto ko, kung marami kang kilalang marunong mag blues pero hindi nag aral music education makakabuo ka din nyan, o mas mataas pa nga diba? - kay Mr. Clapton, kung tatanggapin mo lang yung sinabe ko okay na, kaso bubutasan mo pa e tlgang hindi tayo magkakaintindihan, at hindi tayo matatapos. diba niyayaya nga kitang mag jam? o cge kahit sa lugar mo pre, dadalhin ko lahat nang gusto kong ipaintindi sayo matpos lang to hahaha, parang dito kasi hindi tayo magkakaintindihan e.