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Offline KitC

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Re: DIY Acoustics and Soundproofing Thread
« Reply #75 on: December 26, 2007, 07:17:45 PM »
so double walling a recording studio is not necessary?

It depends. 2 concrete walls is way too overkill, but a room-within-a-room concept depends on how much sound isolation you want to achieve. For example, if your studio is located near a busy roadway, you will want as much isolation to shield you from rumble and other noises coming from outside. Another case is if you are in a commercial apartment and the neighbors are complaining of sound leaching into their unit.
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« Reply #76 on: December 26, 2007, 08:54:02 PM »
so double walling a recording studio is not necessary?

Double walling the recording studio side is the cheaper alternative.  The control room side can have a higher noise criteria rating, thus, you may not do double walling.  If you have CHB walls, as long as they are plastered and painted, they will give you a respectable isolation.  But for the studio side, where you record your vocals, instruments, etc., additional walling is always necessary especially for low frequency control.  A room within a room concept is the best design for a studio.

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Re: DIY Acoustics and Soundproofing Thread
« Reply #77 on: December 26, 2007, 09:45:07 PM »
tnx!
things are clearer now.

so if two CHB wall is an overkill, how should i double wall?

how about this:

CHB wall(outer layer)
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6-inch space
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1-inch thick plywood(inner)

thats just for the recording side of the room. 
i now understand that double walling the control room is not necessary

« Last Edit: December 26, 2007, 09:54:50 PM by LouieAzcona »

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Re: DIY Acoustics and Soundproofing Thread
« Reply #78 on: December 26, 2007, 11:00:07 PM »
Try this:

http://www.saecollege.de/reference_material/index.html

Go to Construction and Studio Plans sections to get some ideas.
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Re: DIY Acoustics and Soundproofing Thread
« Reply #79 on: December 27, 2007, 08:39:13 AM »
tnx sir kit! ganda nito!


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Re: DIY Acoustics and Soundproofing Thread
« Reply #80 on: January 18, 2008, 05:04:11 AM »
Setup ko is:

Wall (wood) + 4-6 inch space + Gypsum 1/2 + Rockwool 50 + 2 inch space + Gypsum 1/2..

ayus lang ba to.


Tsaka pwede bang gawing Bass Trap ang Rockwool 60?
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Re: DIY Acoustics and Soundproofing Thread
« Reply #81 on: January 18, 2008, 08:28:38 PM »
sir leachim, saan nakukuha at magkano ang rockwool?

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Re: DIY Acoustics and Soundproofing Thread
« Reply #82 on: January 19, 2008, 02:43:52 AM »
Setup ko is:

Wall (wood) + 4-6 inch space + Gypsum 1/2 + Rockwool 50 + 2 inch space + Gypsum 1/2..

ayus lang ba to.


Tsaka pwede bang gawing Bass Trap ang Rockwool 60?

Dapat Wall (wood) + 4 - 6 inch air space + Roxkwool 50 + 1/2 Gypsum+1/2 gypsum.

Rockwool is just one of th components in making a bass trap.  Effectivity of the low frequency absorption depends on how thick your rockwool is, or the depth of your bass trap, where you use the rockwool to aborb soundwaves inside the trap.  Look into site where bass traps are discussed.  The bigger the cavity, the lower the frequency it will absorb.

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« Reply #83 on: January 28, 2008, 10:31:27 AM »
check the ff. site  www.acousticfirst.com   www.gkacoustics.com.

 
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Re: DIY Acoustics and Soundproofing Thread
« Reply #84 on: February 29, 2008, 09:13:43 PM »
sir, i need your help regarding the studio that im constructing in calbayog city samar... it is ready now for sound proofing (ill post pic of the studio tomorrow).,. all sides of the walls are concrete also the ceiling is concrete..

1.   how do i soundproof the walls, what materials do i use..
2.   how do i soundproof the ceiling..
3.                                 door...
4.                                  window between control room and live room


and were do i buy this materials because there are no soundproofing materials here in calbayog.. can u give me contact number of the suppliers.. were can i get it cheap...

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« Reply #85 on: March 02, 2008, 01:01:04 PM »
ako naman 7 peace of rockwool, for sound absorbers, pati fiberglass for bass traps, and kahoy, nasa more than 10k na! hindi na ako ng palabor. ako nalang lahat gumawa.. kala ko dati aabutin lang ako ng 8k. pero grabe....
sir lahat po nyan for 10k lng?kc nung nagtingin ako ng mineral wool plang sa ortigas abot na ng 20k?where did you get your rockwool?please reply im desperately looking for cheaper rockwool/mineral wool cos i will be starting to soundproof my studio very soon.anyone who can help please do...thanks mga sirs!!!

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« Reply #86 on: March 02, 2008, 01:03:06 PM »
mga ser ok lng ba kng gamitin ko marine ply for my double walling instead of gypsum boards or acoustic board?and how thick should the mineral wool be?

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Re: DIY Acoustics and Soundproofing Thread
« Reply #87 on: March 04, 2008, 09:56:55 AM »
They say that a room with a wooden ceiling/floor, one wooden wall, two opposing concrete walls, and one real brickwall is a good setup. One just has to add more woods and foam here and there...

...is this a good setup? They say recording drums and guitars are good this way with the back of the amps and drums facing the brickwall. What about vocals?

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« Reply #88 on: March 04, 2008, 01:41:45 PM »
Doing a room to sound good is not just a matter of putting surface materials here and there.  You have to compute for the correct RT60, NCs and wall STCs.  That's a lot of math.  You want your room to sound good, study acoustics, how sound behaves and other elements in recording.  The net has a lot of info on that.  A lot of books about studio design are also available for the taking.  Do not just guess.  It will cost you a lot of money.

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« Reply #89 on: March 04, 2008, 01:47:05 PM »
Doing a room to sound good is not just a matter of putting surface materials here and there.  You have to compute for the correct RT60, NCs and wall STCs.  That's a lot of math.  You want your room to sound good, study acoustics, how sound behaves and other elements in recording.  The net has a lot of info on that.  A lot of books about studio design are also available for the taking.  Do not just guess.  It will cost you a lot of money.

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I'm not making fun or guesswork for the sake of it, bro. Neither am I good at this so yeah, I'll take the tip. But then again, there are tricks that hit the jackpot by accident, right? Guys like Bon Jovi recording vocals in his kitchen counter, and they found that it sounded good by accident.

Peace out.

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« Reply #90 on: March 04, 2008, 01:52:05 PM »
Sure.  There are lot of instances where super sounding recordings were obtained at different locations or manners of recording.  But better to be fully educated and being able to know the nuances to obtain such "great" acquisitions.  They may be accidents but the guys who did it understand the basics.  In the case of doing a studio, it is rather prohibitive to do experimentations.  I have been there, done that.  So, I am just giving a friendly (or brotherly) advise.

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Re: DIY Acoustics and Soundproofing Thread
« Reply #91 on: March 05, 2008, 03:29:27 PM »
mga sir..where can i buy rockwool here in Qc.or in near places? :? :-D
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« Reply #92 on: March 07, 2008, 06:11:02 PM »
sirs, tanong lang.. yun bang soundproofing and acoustic treatment na gagawin sa isang room eh detachable? halimbawang aalis ka na dun sa nirerent mo?
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« Reply #93 on: March 11, 2008, 11:14:00 PM »
Guys, I've been planning to put up my own practice room (band setup), Using my 7X14 ft. open space on the 2nd floor of my house. I've already have the walls built with 4" CHB walls and 1/4" plywood ceilings (the floors are concrete).

Iniisip ko kung pwede ito.
12mm gypsum board with 2" thick rockwool fiber 60kg as a filler for the walls.
regular carpeting for the floor. And acoustic boards for the ceilings.

Rough estimate ko dito eh mga 40,000 ang lahat including the labor. Which is a bit out of my budget. Meron ba kayong naiisip na alternative? Or baka meron kayong kilalalang murang supplier?
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« Reply #94 on: March 16, 2008, 05:21:32 PM »
sirs, tanong lang.. yun bang soundproofing and acoustic treatment na gagawin sa isang room eh detachable? halimbawang aalis ka na dun sa nirerent mo?

pwede nga ba itong ganito? halimbawa, nagrent ka lang ng commercial space, pero hindi ka sure kung permanent ka sa lugar na yon. pwede bang, i-disassemble yung  treatments mo sa kwarto?

o pumapayag ba ung bulding owners na magtayo ng studio kahit hindi siya commercial space?

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Re: DIY Acoustics and Soundproofing Thread
« Reply #95 on: April 04, 2008, 07:51:58 PM »
Sirs and ma'ams, I am need of bass traps for my control room. I wish to do it DIY to (hopefully) save on money. What can I use as materials for my bass traps? If you will also be kind enough to give me some building/constructing tips to make the traps practical and at the same time effective, it would be really appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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« Reply #96 on: April 04, 2008, 07:59:29 PM »
Sirs and ma'ams, I am need of bass traps for my control room. I wish to do it DIY to (hopefully) save on money. What can I use as materials for my bass traps? If you will also be kind enough to give me some building/constructing tips to make the traps practical and at the same time effective, it would be really appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Just google DIY bass traps... here's one: http://www.runet.edu/~shelm/acoustics/bass-traps.html
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Re: DIY Acoustics and Soundproofing Thread
« Reply #97 on: April 17, 2008, 11:42:13 AM »
mga sir im not into soundproofing stuffs pero nagka-interes ako. base sa mga magazines and places na napuntahan ko like yung sa philamlife theater sa UN ave. napansin ko parang wood ginamit nila sa acoustics nung lugar. yun din nabasa ko sa mga magazines ko dito. sabi kasi mas maganda yung wood acoustics na may mga spaces from each other before the main wall. maybe that idea can be apply on building a studio. pero mukhang mahal, na-share ko lang please correct me mga sir or enlighten me na lang.  :-)

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« Reply #98 on: April 18, 2008, 08:04:28 PM »
base sa mga magazines and places na napuntahan ko like yung sa philamlife theater sa UN ave. napansin ko parang wood ginamit nila sa acoustics nung lugar.

Wood is a very reflective acoustical material reflecting more of the higher frequencies and absorbing low frequencies.  To get the correct room balance in an acoustical nature, you have to combine wood with diffusive and absorptive materials.  The reason why wood was mainly used in the PhilamLife Auditorium is because it was designed as a concert hall - with higher reverberation especially on the HF.  Here, however, high frequency control is done through carpets on the floor, the leatherette type seats, people and the curtains by the proscenium.  Mid frequency control is done through some absorptive treatment somewhere.  I have not been to PhilamLife for a long time, but if memory serves me right, the wood panels were devised as diffusive elementsl - to get a nice sonic character for the room; with ample control of bass, raising up on the mids and good, clear highs.

Can you use wood in studios?  You can, but it depends n what kind of character you want for your studio.  If you want a highly reflective and highly reverberated room, where orchestras, strings, classical music would be best recorded, wood would be it.  If you want a flexible studio that is capable of doing rock, pop, jazz, etc., a combination of the different acoustic treatments, aside from wood, is necessary.

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« Reply #99 on: April 19, 2008, 10:29:47 AM »
Bakit nga ba pala gypsum ang ginagamit imbis na plywood? alin ang mas mahal? at mas mabigat?
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