Author Topic: Help! Alder Body Finish! (Read 9564 times)

omeng · « **Reply #25 on:** April 16, 2015, 11:51:26 AM »

Ayus yun ha!!!

So meaning nito sir, yung egg white na ang mag act as sealer???
Then after that pwede na lagyan ng oil? If i understand it correctly

it's like, sand it up to like 400 grit, egg white wash, overnight dry
sand it up to 600 grit, then oil finish? do you think this egg white wash
is worth the try? pwede bang sand down sa lower grit kung sakaling
pumalkpak ako dito hehehe.

Again, very much appreciated help mga master!

Keep them coming!

free2rock · « **Reply #26 on:** April 16, 2015, 04:20:16 PM »

Pwede i-sand off syempre. (y)

Good luck

sonicassault · « **Reply #27 on:** April 16, 2015, 04:28:47 PM »

good luck, and pics!

omeng · « **Reply #28 on:** April 16, 2015, 04:38:49 PM »

sana d maupod ang body kaka sand ko hehehe

wish me luck sir's!

Hopefully masubukan ko this weekend hehehe
need muna tlga mprepare yung wood ng maayus bago
itlugan hehehe

salamat ulit mga master's!

Keep the advice coming!!!

sonicassault · « **Reply #29 on:** April 16, 2015, 04:53:49 PM »

Quote from: omeng on April 16, 2015, 04:38:49 PM

sana d maupod ang body kaka sand ko hehehe

wish me luck sir's!

Hopefully masubukan ko this weekend hehehe
need muna tlga mprepare yung wood ng maayus bago
itlugan hehehe

salamat ulit mga master's!

Keep the advice coming!!!

ay nabasa ako somewhere pag nag sand ka by hand tapos napapaso ka na sa init, you're sanding too hard!

free2rock · « **Reply #30 on:** April 16, 2015, 05:04:06 PM »

Oh and use a sanding block. A wood block will do for flat surfaces. Styrofoam for curves.

sonicassault · « **Reply #31 on:** April 16, 2015, 05:26:18 PM »

Quote from: free2rock on April 16, 2015, 05:04:06 PM

Oh and use a sanding block. A wood block will do for flat surfaces. Styrofoam for curves.

I don't know this! Much too late, tapos na ako magrefinish ng drums!

free2rock · « **Reply #32 on:** April 16, 2015, 06:42:58 PM »

Quote from: sonicassault on April 16, 2015, 05:26:18 PM

I don't know this! Much too late, tapos na ako magrefinish ng drums!

Hahahaha! There's always next time bro!

Styrofoam is great! Helps with blending the carves, too. Pwede rin rubber eraser.

sonicassault · « **Reply #33 on:** April 16, 2015, 06:53:48 PM »

Quote from: free2rock on April 16, 2015, 06:42:58 PM

Hahahaha! There's always next time bro!

Styrofoam is great! Helps with blending the carves, too. Pwede rin rubber eraser.

hwaaaaw nice!

free2rock · « **Reply #34 on:** April 16, 2015, 07:00:37 PM »

Quote from: sonicassault on April 16, 2015, 06:53:48 PM

hwaaaaw nice!

Thanks! Sorry sa threadjack, TS! LOL

omeng · « **Reply #35 on:** April 20, 2015, 08:37:30 AM »

Nice project sir!

Hindi ko pa nasubukan ang White Egg wash hehehe
hindi ko pa natapos ang sanding nung weekend hehehe
Will post some pics after ko matry ang egg wash

Thanks ulit mga sir!

PS: Hirap pala maghanap ng Tung or Danish oil
puro polyurethane ang binebenta sa MC hehe

sonicassault · « **Reply #36 on:** April 20, 2015, 09:45:18 AM »

Quote from: omeng on April 20, 2015, 08:37:30 AM

Nice project sir!

Hindi ko pa nasubukan ang White Egg wash hehehe
hindi ko pa natapos ang sanding nung weekend hehehe
Will post some pics after ko matry ang egg wash

Thanks ulit mga sir!

PS: Hirap pala maghanap ng Tung or Danish oil
puro polyurethane ang binebenta sa MC hehe

stain+poly isnt a bad finish either

) pero malayo sa natural ang lalabas, unless meant to be yung stain at wood color at grain mo

omeng · « **Reply #37 on:** April 20, 2015, 10:33:27 AM »

actually i was thinking of staining the wood sir,

medyo light walnut siguro to compliment the color of the
frets, tipong relic type na kasi yung condition ng frets e hehehe
kaya parang mas bagay kung medyo dark color ang body.
Madali ba apply yung wipe on poly sir? and i saw meron silang
semi gloss and matte finish. And so i s go with poly finish, is
this the right step?

1. Egg Wash
2. Stain
3. Poly

And 1 more thing, i saw something in the net, what they are doing is
staining the sanding dust then using it as a grain filler? Para mas
lumabas daw yung mga grains? Is the grain filler different from the
sealer? Dami dapat pagaralan hehehe, kaya every tip ninyo sir's
is a very big help for me

btw, great project sir sonic! ang galing, inaantabayan ko dun sa thread mo hehehe
nkkuha din ako dun ng mga tricks and tips hehehe

thanks again sir's! Keep them coming!

sonicassault · « **Reply #38 on:** April 20, 2015, 12:46:53 PM »

Quote from: omeng on April 20, 2015, 10:33:27 AM

actually i was thinking of staining the wood sir,

medyo light walnut siguro to compliment the color of the
frets, tipong relic type na kasi yung condition ng frets e hehehe
kaya parang mas bagay kung medyo dark color ang body.
Madali ba apply yung wipe on poly sir? and i saw meron silang
semi gloss and matte finish. And so i s go with poly finish, is
this the right step?

1. Egg Wash
2. Stain
3. Poly

And 1 more thing, i saw something in the net, what they are doing is
staining the sanding dust then using it as a grain filler? Para mas
lumabas daw yung mga grains? Is the grain filler different from the
sealer? Dami dapat pagaralan hehehe, kaya every tip ninyo sir's
is a very big help for me

btw, great project sir sonic! ang galing, inaantabayan ko dun sa thread mo hehehe
nkkuha din ako dun ng mga tricks and tips hehehe

thanks again sir's! Keep them coming!

didn't know of the sanding dust trick, I'll go see how that looks

pero tama:
sanding sealer/egg wash > stain > poly

not sure about wipe-on poly, I used regular poly on my drums. I brush it on, make an even coat, let dry, sand, coat again. pag brush on poly, it's best to use natural fiber brushes, and never the foam ones. Sa plastic fiber brush kasi kita yung stroke, sa foam naman prone to bubbles. don't expect a lacquer type finish with poly though! parang kahoy pa rin yan, na may thin shiny (or matte) layer. oil finish is more "organic" so to say, parang wet look na kahoy.

kay free2rock ata yung project na tinutukoy mo

omeng · « **Reply #39 on:** April 20, 2015, 01:32:29 PM »

ay! uu nga, kay free2rock pla ehehe

sorry about that sir!

kapag ba na stain sir need pa talaga poly or oil finish?
given na oil based na ang stain?

sonicassault · « **Reply #40 on:** April 20, 2015, 01:44:28 PM »

Quote from: omeng on April 20, 2015, 01:32:29 PM

ay! uu nga, kay freetorock pla ehehe

sorry about that sir!

kapag ba na stain sir need pa talaga poly or oil finish?
given na oil based na ang stain?

well, yes. ang kaso kasi pag manipis lang yung stain mo, as in literal wipe on-wipe off, pag nagasgas, lilitaw agagd yung original color ng wood mo kahit kuko lang ang ipangkaskas mo. pag binabad mo naman sa stain, manunuot ng mas malalim yung stain, pero magiging masyado dark. and in either case, considered bare wood yan kasi unlike finishing oils, ang stain hindi naghaharden, kaya kailangan ng poly. personally ayoko ng varnish kasi "warm" for my taste

omeng · « **Reply #41 on:** April 20, 2015, 01:59:42 PM »

now i know! thanks sir!

sana talga makahanap ang oil finish!!!
Either tung or danish oil siguro hehehe

What do you mean by "varnish" sir? Is poly a varnish?

sonicassault · « **Reply #42 on:** April 20, 2015, 02:06:30 PM »

Quote from: omeng on April 20, 2015, 01:59:42 PM

now i know! thanks sir!

sana talga makahanap ang oil finish!!!
Either tung or danish oil siguro hehehe

What do you mean by "varnish" sir? Is poly a varnish?

well, technically speaking, poly is also atype of varnish, using a petrochemical base. but "normal/natural" varnish is a combination of oils and resin and thinners, so basically it's like an oil finish with additives.

natural varnish tends to have a much yellower tint than poly, which I personally don't like (because I like bluer hues like walnut, vs a similarly dark but warmer mahogany)

curiousdcat · « **Reply #43 on:** April 20, 2015, 02:15:33 PM »

Sorry but pa-rewind lang po saglit...

How do you use styro as a sanding block for curves?

omeng · « **Reply #44 on:** April 20, 2015, 02:47:59 PM »

i see, dami pala talaga dapat pagaralan hehehe

thanks ulit sa tulong sir sonic!

hunting mode na ako para sa mga oil finishes hehehe

yekoz · « **Reply #45 on:** April 20, 2015, 02:53:14 PM »

Show some pictures Before and After...

curiousdcat · « **Reply #46 on:** April 20, 2015, 02:54:32 PM »

There used to be Tung-Oil available at Hahn Manila. Pero maliliit na bottles lang for use sa gun stocks. Not sure kung meron pa. Baka sa ibang gun stores meron.

omeng · « **Reply #47 on:** April 20, 2015, 03:06:41 PM »

meron na ako mga before and after ng sanding
hindi lang mkpost ng pics kasi blocked dito sa office
ang mga photosharing websites hehehe

currently nasa sanding stage parin hehehe
nawalan ng oras after ng office hours

nagtawag na ako sa mga Hahn Manila, unfortunately wala na sila ng Tru-oil
pero hindi ko natanong kung meron din silang Tung oil and schedule ko din
kung kailan ako mag-scout sa mga gun store sa makati cinema square hehehe

sonicassault · « **Reply #48 on:** April 20, 2015, 03:15:24 PM »

Quote from: curiousdcat on April 20, 2015, 02:54:32 PM

There used to be Tung-Oil available at Hahn Manila. Pero maliliit na bottles lang for use sa gun stocks. Not sure kung meron pa. Baka sa ibang gun stores meron.

OT: for some reason gun stock finishing is a big deal with gun owners. I'm not a gun owner but I do appreciate them for appreciating fine craftsmanship for tung oil to be synonymous with gunstock oil

omeng · « **Reply #49 on:** April 20, 2015, 03:37:49 PM »

i agree with you sir sonic, kaya nakakapag taka kung bakit wala silang stock nung Tru-oil hehehe

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Author Topic: Help! Alder Body Finish! (Read 9564 times)