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Cymbal Cleaning
« on: April 29, 2015, 04:30:25 PM »
hello everyone! i've always been curious sa mga nakikita ko na different methods when it comes to cleaning our cymbals. gusto ko lang malaman kung ano ba ginagamit niyo mostly na DIY/Homemade products? i'd like to learn more on this. ang mga nakita ko na so far(but haven't tried) is using ketchup or vinegar, meron din yung paste consisting flour, salt, and vinegar. care to share your thoughts? thanks!



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« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2015, 05:19:36 PM »
hello everyone! i've always been curious sa mga nakikita ko na different methods when it comes to cleaning our cymbals. gusto ko lang malaman kung ano ba ginagamit niyo mostly na DIY/Homemade products? i'd like to learn more on this. ang mga nakita ko na so far(but haven't tried) is using ketchup or vinegar, meron din yung paste consisting flour, salt, and vinegar. care to share your thoughts? thanks!


nikko, drummer of pitik? Hello brother!


anyways, IMHO, iwasan natin yung mga acidic methods like ketchup and vinegar dahil may mga acids ito na baka magreact with the metal of the cymbals. most probably, baka mapadali ang tarnishing ng cymbal dahil dito. best to get a meinl cymbal cleaner as tested na siya by some of our fellow forumers na effective without removing the logos.

for DIY stuff, i heard that joy dishwashing soap also works as good.

Hope this helps!
hahaha ako binibiyak ko muna yung wetpaks para makita kung may yellow thingy hahahaha

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« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2015, 05:38:38 PM »

nikko, drummer of pitik? Hello brother!


anyways, IMHO, iwasan natin yung mga acidic methods like ketchup and vinegar dahil may mga acids ito na baka magreact with the metal of the cymbals. most probably, baka mapadali ang tarnishing ng cymbal dahil dito. best to get a meinl cymbal cleaner as tested na siya by some of our fellow forumers na effective without removing the logos.

for DIY stuff, i heard that joy dishwashing soap also works as good.

Hope this helps!

I just use dishwashing liquid and warm but not hot water. tapos kung may sponge ka yung pang automotive, ayos din yun. At tama si ralph, try not to use the acidic methods, especially kung worn out na yung protective coating or if you purposely stripped that coating.

and don't ever use metal cleaner. polish baka makalusot ka (don't use it often if you choose to. once in a blue moon lang). burado yung lathing mo nyan! stay away from GLO.

try mo minsan oatmeal scrub, gumana sya para sakin  :lol:
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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2015, 12:22:43 AM »


nikko, drummer of pitik? Hello brother!


anyways, IMHO, iwasan natin yung mga acidic methods like ketchup and vinegar dahil may mga acids ito na baka magreact with the metal of the cymbals. most probably, baka mapadali ang tarnishing ng cymbal dahil dito. best to get a meinl cymbal cleaner as tested na siya by some of our fellow forumers na effective without removing the logos.

for DIY stuff, i heard that joy dishwashing soap also works as good.

Hope this helps!


Yes sir ako nga! Hehe anyway, buti na lang i haven't tried doing the ketchup/vinegar method. I've seen something about baking soda and warm water. Balak ko na din bumili at subukan Groove Juice. Sa sobrang dami ko nakikitang options/suggestions nalilito na ako eh. Haha but thanks for sharing! Baka subukan ko din Meinl cymbal cleaner. :)


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« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2015, 12:29:22 AM »

I just use dishwashing liquid and warm but not hot water. tapos kung may sponge ka yung pang automotive, ayos din yun. At tama si ralph, try not to use the acidic methods, especially kung worn out na yung protective coating or if you purposely stripped that coating.

and don't ever use metal cleaner. polish baka makalusot ka (don't use it often if you choose to. once in a blue moon lang). burado yung lathing mo nyan! stay away from GLO.

try mo minsan oatmeal scrub, gumana sya para sakin  :lol:


Buti na lang never ko pa sinubukan mag metal polish or any abrasive stuff. Like i said, nalilito lang talaga ako ngayon kasi ang daming options na lumalabas eh. I even saw something about Barkeeper's Friend which is very effective daw.

Oatmeal scrub? Sosyal yan ah. Haha :)


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« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2015, 10:33:19 AM »

Yes sir ako nga! Hehe anyway, buti na lang i haven't tried doing the ketchup/vinegar method. I've seen something about baking soda and warm water. Balak ko na din bumili at subukan Groove Juice. Sa sobrang dami ko nakikitang options/suggestions nalilito na ako eh. Haha but thanks for sharing! Baka subukan ko din Meinl cymbal cleaner. :)


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Hello paps! ralph here, midnight meetings hahahaha

anyway, yung groove juice paps, may mga nagreview niyan dito sa ibang thread, ang alam ko mejo hindi maganda, nakakacause ata ng tarnishing or patina. yung meinl lang talaga yung mejo nakita kong mild enough not to damage the cymbal, but strong enough to clean.

baking soda, nakakalinis daw pero hindi nakakabalik ng shine. so kung tanggal grime lang paps, it just might work.
hahaha ako binibiyak ko muna yung wetpaks para makita kung may yellow thingy hahahaha

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« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2015, 11:44:31 AM »

Buti na lang never ko pa sinubukan mag metal polish or any abrasive stuff. Like i said, nalilito lang talaga ako ngayon kasi ang daming options na lumalabas eh. I even saw something about Barkeeper's Friend which is very effective daw.

Oatmeal scrub? Sosyal yan ah. Haha :)


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I tried the Pledge metal polish. Hindi sya cleaner, polish lang talaga. Still abrasive, but gently so. Di naman kinain yung grooves ko, so ok naman sya, but do be wary of other brands kasi polish + cleaner sila, so kakain ng metal yan. I think barkeeper's friend is a metal cleaner, so stay away from that. Not too sure with foreign brands kasi pero may nakita ako na barkeeper's friend sa Handyman, parang Zim yung powder na cleaner, tapos may oxalic aid pa. I don't think you'd really wanna put your cymbal through that.
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« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2015, 12:09:14 AM »
I tried kalamansi before. Medyo naiba yung kulay ng cymbal ko. Hehe. Di ko na inulit buti nalang di ko tinagalan. Mura nalang yung Meinl Polish tsaka cleaner sa Lyric. Parang 450php lang ata each.  :-D

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« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2015, 05:09:47 PM »
Thanks for the tips guys! :)


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« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2015, 10:25:05 AM »
paps,

i tried the Zildjian cleaner, ok naman pero nakakapagod mag linis ng cymbal dahil ibubuff mo pa, and logos get removed. I heard the groove juice you dont need to buff the cymbal to make it shine.

pwede rin tayo gumawa ng ganito:

lumang electric fan lang kailangan natin feeling ko


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« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2015, 11:01:07 AM »

paps,

i tried the Zildjian cleaner, ok naman pero nakakapagod mag linis ng cymbal dahil ibubuff mo pa, and logos get removed. I heard the groove juice you dont need to buff the cymbal to make it shine.

pwede rin tayo gumawa ng ganito:

lumang electric fan lang kailangan natin feeling ko

Ano kaya yung mga ginamit na panglinis dun sa video? Hehe


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« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2015, 01:30:11 PM »
Okay guys, alam ko sinabi namin ni ralph na wag gamitin yung mga acidic method like vinegar and ketchup. Well, nag-experimento  ako nung weekend. popular method kasi yung lemon plus salt scrub (obviously acidic to ah).  gagawin  mo may 1/2 lemon ka tapos dip the cut side in salt, sabay shot ng tequila, tapos ikaskas mo sa cymbal mo "going with the grain." ang mangyayari yung acid taga-tunaw ng stains/dirt tapos pang-alalay yung salt as an abrasive.

Sinubukan ko sya sa Stagg Furia 8" splash ko, and behold, ngayon ko lang ulit nakita yung kintab nung cymbal na yun ever since binili ko sya sa music store! pati stick marks nawala. dahil sa acid at abrasive combo talagang tanggal yung mga dumi, plus na-reveal yung layer ng bakal underneath, hindi dahil na scrape away sya tulad ng micro abrasive cleaner, pero dahil siguro nag react na chemically dun sa acid (kaya siguro makintab din).

Sinubukan ko naman sya sa Istanbul Sultan ride ko. yun kasi sobrang dumi talaga nangingitim lagi yung daliri ko pag hinahawakan ko sya, at kahit anong sabon ko sa kanya mapipickup pa rin ng twalya yung dumi. so test with lemon and salt method. wow, grabe parang built-in na libag talaga yung dumi nya! umiiyak ng itim na lemon juice yung cymbal! amazing! tapos binanlawan ko ng tubig para makita yung effect

NAGING KULAY PINK YUNG UNLATHED PORTION!!  :-o

apparently yung mga earthy hand hammered unlathed look, puro libag lang pala yun! sa totoo pink talaga yung bakal nya underneath. yung lathed part naman ng cymbal yellow pa rin kulay bronze kaya alam mo na hindi sya basta na-discolor lang ng acid.

nagisisi ba ako? hindi ah, ang kyut na ng Sultan ride ko!  :lol: tatanggalan ko pa ng libag mamaya para maging talagang all natural sya (tsaka may beef ako dun sa drum mute stains) will post pics later!
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« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2015, 06:02:57 PM »
haha! post ng pics bro,haha :-D
and hows the sound
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« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2015, 06:25:06 PM »
haha! post ng pics bro,haha :-D
and hows the sound

bwiset photobucket eh, ayaw mag upload! but sound wise and quick analysis lang, mas naging bright sya  :lol: konti lang, it's still a dry-ish, earthy ride, pero may sparkle na :lol:

pano kaya kung bumili ako nung Turk series o kaya yung Big and Ugly tapos linisin ko ng lemon and salt lahat kulay pink  :lol:
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« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2015, 09:34:11 AM »
Eto na! Pics!
So I guess this is a fair warning to all who aren't sure of what can happen when a certain method is used on your cymbals.
And also take note that I did this fully aware that anything can happen with my own cymbals.
And this is to declare that I was amazed and I'm doing this to my hihats as well  :lol:

To the left, my Istanbul Sultan crash, cleaned with soap and water. To the right is my Istanbul Sultan Ride, cleaned with half a lemon dipped in salt.



I should note that even after cleaning the crash (and the rest of the set) with soap and warm water, they're still actually pretty dirty. The cloth I used to dry the cymbals still picked up dirt. I don't like the idea of scrubbing cymbals with a scouring pad coz that will introduce really ugly scratch marks. Surprisingly, the salt did not scratch my cymbals (even my nice stagg splash). Probably coz the salt is accompanied with lemon juice and it does melt to some degree.

So there, that earthy look, libag lang yan! unlathed cast cymbal bronze is probably any color from brassy yellow to raw pork pink and maybe even psychedelic green.
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« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2015, 12:18:36 PM »
Eto na! Pics!
So I guess this is a fair warning to all who aren't sure of what can happen when a certain method is used on your cymbals.
And also take note that I did this fully aware that anything can happen with my own cymbals.
And this is to declare that I was amazed and I'm doing this to my hihats as well  :lol:

To the left, my Istanbul Sultan crash, cleaned with soap and water. To the right is my Istanbul Sultan Ride, cleaned with half a lemon dipped in salt.



I should note that even after cleaning the crash (and the rest of the set) with soap and warm water, they're still actually pretty dirty. The cloth I used to dry the cymbals still picked up dirt. I don't like the idea of scrubbing cymbals with a scouring pad coz that will introduce really ugly scratch marks. Surprisingly, the salt did not scratch my cymbals (even my nice stagg splash). Probably coz the salt is accompanied with lemon juice and it does melt to some degree.

So there, that earthy look, libag lang yan! unlathed cast cymbal bronze is probably any color from brassy yellow to raw pork pink and maybe even psychedelic green.


grabe yan bro ah! i assume same mangyayari sa Stagg DH crash ko kung gawin ko yan. anyway i decided not to try anything na muna. haha tsaka nag dispose ako ng cymbals recently and scored a 2nd hand ride and hats(thankfully malinis sila) AAX Stage ride & AAX Fusion Hats. speaking of which, thoughts on these models? :)

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« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2015, 11:22:08 PM »
Eto na! Pics!
So I guess this is a fair warning to all who aren't sure of what can happen when a certain method is used on your cymbals.
And also take note that I did this fully aware that anything can happen with my own cymbals.
And this is to declare that I was amazed and I'm doing this to my hihats as well  :lol:

To the left, my Istanbul Sultan crash, cleaned with soap and water. To the right is my Istanbul Sultan Ride, cleaned with half a lemon dipped in salt.



I should note that even after cleaning the crash (and the rest of the set) with soap and warm water, they're still actually pretty dirty. The cloth I used to dry the cymbals still picked up dirt. I don't like the idea of scrubbing cymbals with a scouring pad coz that will introduce really ugly scratch marks. Surprisingly, the salt did not scratch my cymbals (even my nice stagg splash). Probably coz the salt is accompanied with lemon juice and it does melt to some degree.

So there, that earthy look, libag lang yan! unlathed cast cymbal bronze is probably any color from brassy yellow to raw pork pink and maybe even psychedelic green.

ayus yan ha,sound wise may difference ba
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« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2015, 08:34:07 AM »

grabe yan bro ah! i assume same mangyayari sa Stagg DH crash ko kung gawin ko yan. anyway i decided not to try anything na muna. haha tsaka nag dispose ako ng cymbals recently and scored a 2nd hand ride and hats(thankfully malinis sila) AAX Stage ride & AAX Fusion Hats. speaking of which, thoughts on these models? :)

Kung yan yung DH na may raw bell, baka maging pink sya. Yung bell nung ride na yan, mostly still yellow, pero may side na medyo pink na. Yung bow yung mostly pink with a tinge of brown. Pero kung traditional/brilliant finish yan kikinang yan yellow pa rin  :)

ayus yan ha,sound wise may difference ba

ayos talaga! siguro sa iba pangit, pero sakin mas maganda sya, mas natural, mas bare pa sa bare metal. sound wise di ko alam kung psychological lang, pero super slightly less dry sya ngayon, mas nag-open up, mas wet, siguro dahil dun sa kapal ng libag na natanggal. just think, a big surface area tapos yung lemon juice sobrang black-green ang kulay at medyo malapot pa. kumbaga kung Sabian yan, from HH naging HHX  :lol:
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« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2015, 09:39:10 AM »

grabe yan bro ah! i assume same mangyayari sa Stagg DH crash ko kung gawin ko yan. anyway i decided not to try anything na muna. haha tsaka nag dispose ako ng cymbals recently and scored a 2nd hand ride and hats(thankfully malinis sila) AAX Stage ride & AAX Fusion Hats. speaking of which, thoughts on these models? :)


stage ride is nice. somewhat crashable, pero not like the A Sweet Ride. the bell on the stage ride is... well... lacks ping.

the fusion hats, im assuming thats a 13 model, they sound nice especially when open. im not a fan of its closed sound because of the air holes sa ilalim, parang kulang sa high end. nawawala yung crisp sound nung hat. IMHO lang naman :D
hahaha ako binibiyak ko muna yung wetpaks para makita kung may yellow thingy hahahaha

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« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2015, 10:43:14 AM »

stage ride is nice. somewhat crashable, pero not like the A Sweet Ride. the bell on the stage ride is... well... lacks ping.

the fusion hats, im assuming thats a 13 model, they sound nice especially when open. im not a fan of its closed sound because of the air holes sa ilalim, parang kulang sa high end. nawawala yung crisp sound nung hat. IMHO lang naman :D

OT, same din ba yung effect nung mga hats na may wave yung edge ng bottom hat. sa Meinl yata yun. nawawala yung high end?
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« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2015, 11:10:41 AM »
OT, same din ba yung effect nung mga hats na may wave yung edge ng bottom hat. sa Meinl yata yun. nawawala yung high end?

zildjian ata nagpauso nun. mastersounds. nawawalan ng bite.
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« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2015, 11:18:17 AM »


stage ride is nice. somewhat crashable, pero not like the A Sweet Ride. the bell on the stage ride is... well... lacks ping.

the fusion hats, im assuming thats a 13 model, they sound nice especially when open. im not a fan of its closed sound because of the air holes sa ilalim, parang kulang sa high end. nawawala yung crisp sound nung hat. IMHO lang naman :D

I see. Nagustuhan ko kasi siya years back nung nasubukan ko sa isang gig. And yes, it's a 13. I get what you're saying about sa closed sound niya. Eto ba counterpart ng k/z?

Sa stage ride naman, if it weren't for the price baka di ko siya kinuha. I was deciding this or hh raw bell dry ride eh. I settled on the stage kasi kahit kulang sa ping yung bell, at least crashable and may cut pa rin yung sound ng bow. Hehe


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« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2015, 11:20:42 AM »
BTW, i got the Stage Ride and Fusion Hats for 12,500php. Medyo faded lang top logos nung hats. Seems fair naman noh?


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« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2015, 11:24:09 AM »
I see. Nagustuhan ko kasi siya years back nung nasubukan ko sa isang gig. And yes, it's a 13. I get what you're saying about sa closed sound niya. Eto ba counterpart ng k/z?

Sa stage ride naman, if it weren't for the price baka di ko siya kinuha. I was deciding this or hh raw bell dry ride eh. I settled on the stage kasi kahit kulang sa ping yung bell, at least crashable and may cut pa rin yung sound ng bow. Hehe


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for pitik, i think itll work dahil rock out naman kayo hahaha. baka lang makulangan ka sa kanya pag big venues na. pero all in all, solido parin naman. hindi KZ ang coutnerpart niyan eh. Avedis quickbeat ata yung may butas din sa ilalim.

Yung stage ride, yes, the crash of that ride is pretty good, as well as the bow. rinig talaga. yung bell lang talga, its more of a pang instead of a ping. pero its a good workhorse hahaha


at 12500, i'd say its somewhat a fair price. kasi 7k ang bentahan ng stage ride na with logos na used, and then 8-9k ang fusion hats with logos. so, pwede na paps!
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« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2015, 11:39:35 AM »


for pitik, i think itll work dahil rock out naman kayo hahaha. baka lang makulangan ka sa kanya pag big venues na. pero all in all, solido parin naman. hindi KZ ang coutnerpart niyan eh. Avedis quickbeat ata yung may butas din sa ilalim.

Yung stage ride, yes, the crash of that ride is pretty good, as well as the bow. rinig talaga. yung bell lang talga, its more of a pang instead of a ping. pero its a good workhorse hahaha


at 12500, i'd say its somewhat a fair price. kasi 7k ang bentahan ng stage ride na with logos na used, and then 8-9k ang fusion hats with logos. so, pwede na paps!



Now im tempted to get a Sabian crash again. Hahaha although im happy with my Stagg DH Exo. Tempting lang since im back to using Sabians again. Heh


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