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Offline fanboyfriday

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Home recording
« on: September 17, 2016, 10:51:48 AM »
Hello po. Good morning. Plano ko po kasi mag setup ng home recording ng banda namim sa bahay preferably sa kwarto ko lang. Pero sobrang tight lang ng budget. OK po ba yung magiging gantong setup kung sakali:

Guitars/bass/edrums/vocals
->
Jamhub Bedroom
->
Cheap but decent laptop/pc (through USB out)
->
Cool Edit Pro 2.0.

Makakaproduce na po ba kami ng at least demo-worthy na recording dito? May kulang pa po ba? Minimal lang po talaga kasi, tight budget saka making the most out of limited resources lang po talaga. Haha. Salamat po sa tulong. :)

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Re: Home recording
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2016, 02:50:56 PM »
Di ko alam pano gumagana ang jamhub pag out sa DAW.  Pero kung lalabas ang bawat input sa hiwahiwalay na tracks sa DAW mas ok, pero kung all inputs into single track lang, medyo limited pero ok parin naman depende sa pagmix mo.

Di ko alam yung cool edit pero i suggest reaper as DAW


As for pc, you need a decent at least i5 with 4 gb ram, yung guitars ba plug through effects then amp then amp to jamplug? Or guitar straight to jamplug? Kung guitar straight to jumplug, mas powerful na pc kelangan mo since gagamit ka ng vst and cab simulators in real time kasabay yung isa pang guitar and bass using vsts too.
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Re: Home recording
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2016, 09:06:56 PM »
Ayy. Through effects po then pa-jamplug. Super thanks for the advices po. I'll take note of these po. Salamat. :)

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Re: Home recording
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2016, 07:00:04 AM »
Di ko alam pano gumagana ang jamhub pag out sa DAW.  Pero kung lalabas ang bawat input sa hiwahiwalay na tracks sa DAW mas ok, pero kung all inputs into single track lang, medyo limited pero ok parin naman depende sa pagmix mo.

Di ko alam yung cool edit pero i suggest reaper as DAW


As for pc, you need a decent at least i5 with 4 gb ram, yung guitars ba plug through effects then amp then amp to jamplug? Or guitar straight to jamplug? Kung guitar straight to jumplug, mas powerful na pc kelangan mo since gagamit ka ng vst and cab simulators in real time kasabay yung isa pang guitar and bass using vsts too.

Nopee.. The bedroom does not support usb connection. Pero meron syang recording output.. So it will simply work like a mixer.
Yung higher series ata ng jamhub ang meron.
It is great for silent rehersal, pero you might wanna reconsider it kung for recording purposes na solid.

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Re: Home recording
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2016, 08:07:23 AM »
Nopee.. The bedroom does not support usb connection. Pero meron syang recording output.. So it will simply work like a mixer.
Yung higher series ata ng jamhub ang meron.
It is great for silent rehersal, pero you might wanna reconsider it kung for recording purposes na solid.

Ah i see, again di ako familiar sa jamhub, pero yun nga ts, malamang pwede siya i-out sa DAW as single track? So eq should be done on jamhub or effects pedals. Kaya parin yan ng decent "live" demos
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Re: Home recording
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2016, 08:44:56 PM »
Good na din po for live recording. Kelangan nga lang talaga maganda na timplahan bago i-record sa PC/laptop. Kinokonsider ko po talaga young Jamhub as of late bilang ayaw naming makabulahaw ng kapitbahay. Haha. Salamat po sa mga inputs. :)

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Re: Home recording
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2016, 09:22:15 PM »
kung jamhub bedroom, pwede ka magrecord as multitrack basta bili ka nung jamhub tracker mt16. ikakabit mo sya sa remote port.

kaso hindi pwedeng ikabit sa pc yung mt16, bali may sd card yung mt16 tapos ililipat mo yung files sa pc via copy. saka mo import sa daw to edit/mix

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Re: Home recording
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2016, 09:28:43 PM »
Ahh. Ok po. Ang balak ko po sana kasi e coconect ko yung output sa mic input ng PC or quarter inch jack to USB. Mga ganun po sana since starting pa lang naman. Yun nga lang, inaalaa ko yung latency issues kung rekta rekta lang papuntang PC. Pero gagawan ko pa rin ng po ng paraan gamit yung mga advice's nyo. Super thanks po :)

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Re: Home recording
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2016, 10:34:30 PM »
@ts

hindi kailangan na irecord sabay sabay lahat ng instrument ha, just in case you didn't know. otherwise, live track nga tawag dun, as mentioned earlier.

loaded kase question mo ts kaya di talaga alam ng mga reader kung pano sagutin question mo. google mo muna individually, how to record bass... how to record guitar etc etc.

ano ba first concern? hardware o yung process ng pag record?

hardware? short answer is: computer first. audio interface second. latency only becomes an issue when your vst plugins start weighing down on your processor. if you do not use/monitor with live vst effects, you're most likely ok.

the pink jack on your laptop is mic level. do not enter. lol.
the blue jack is line level, pero inexpensive consumer sound cards have quality control issues --- very possible na may DC bias yan (bad).

software? long time user ako ng cool edit and adobe audition... reaper is much much better. also get asio4all.

recording process ba? create a click track. not familiar? google. then record just the drummer playing along the click track. then record just the bassist. then record guitar. then record vocalist. add effects to tracks when needed. mixdown. master. google pa more.

in short, google x infinity. hahaha jk.

good luck, masaya yan :D
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Re: Home recording
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2016, 10:55:44 PM »
enjoy sana kase may edrums kayo. if i were you I'd record just MIDI info para pag sumablay yung drummer, pwedeng ayusin. nahuli yung palo? quantize! mahina palo? adjust velocity. then bounce that "perfect" midi drums to a wav track. dugas no? hehe.

na-try mo na ba mag paint ng iyong obra maestra sa kwarto na pula yung bumbilya? nung lumabas ka at ipinakita sa friends mo, mali-mali pala yung kulay? if you have a bad room and bad monitors (pc speakers)... your mix will probably suck when you listen to it on different devices/speakers outside your room. ok lang yun. part of the learning process yun.

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Re: Home recording
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2016, 12:23:49 AM »
Wag ka mag-live recording kung tight ang budget unless nasa indie rock, grindcore or black metal band ka. Just buy a decent audio interface (1-2 channels) and a decent mic (sm57/58 will do) then record every instrument one by one.
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Re: Home recording
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2016, 02:50:57 AM »
Hello po. Good morning. Plano ko po kasi mag setup ng home recording ng banda namim sa bahay preferably sa kwarto ko lang. Pero sobrang tight lang ng budget. OK po ba yung magiging gantong setup kung sakali:

Guitars/bass/edrums/vocals
->
Jamhub Bedroom
->
Cheap but decent laptop/pc (through USB out)
->
Cool Edit Pro 2.0.

Makakaproduce na po ba kami ng at least demo-worthy na recording dito? May kulang pa po ba? Minimal lang po talaga kasi, tight budget saka making the most out of limited resources lang po talaga. Haha. Salamat po sa tulong. :)

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I googled Jamhub bedroom, watched a couple of videos in Youtube. I think I get what you're aiming for and it looks like it's doable.
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Re: Home recording
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2016, 05:34:08 AM »
kung jamhub bedroom, pwede ka magrecord as multitrack basta bili ka nung jamhub tracker mt16. ikakabit mo sya sa remote port.

kaso hindi pwedeng ikabit sa pc yung mt16, bali may sd card yung mt16 tapos ililipat mo yung files sa pc via copy. saka mo import sa daw to edit/mix

Eto mas ok yung ganito TS. Marerecord mo ng multitracks yung tugtog niyo nang di nakakabulahaw.
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Re: Home recording
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2016, 10:53:47 PM »
Eto mas ok yung ganito TS. Marerecord mo ng multitracks yung tugtog niyo nang di nakakabulahaw.
Yup yup. Salamat po sa mga advices. :)

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Re: Home recording
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2016, 10:58:14 PM »
I googled Jamhub bedroom, watched a couple of videos in Youtube. I think I get what you're aiming for and it looks like it's doable.
Kaya din po eto talaga yung target ko bilhin. Kumbaga all in one na rin. Medyo pricey nga lang, pero worth it naman kung mamamaximize din yung features nya. Thanks for the help po. :)

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Re: Home recording
« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2016, 11:04:40 PM »
Wag ka mag-live recording kung tight ang budget unless nasa indie rock, grindcore or black metal band ka. Just buy a decent audio interface (1-2 channels) and a decent mic (sm57/58 will do) then record every instrument one by one.
Di naman po ganun tugtugan namin. Sakto lang naman po. Haha. Pero, i'll take note of your inputs sir. Lalo na po dun sa mic. Thanks thanks po. :)

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Re: Home recording
« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2016, 07:48:16 AM »
Bibilhin mo palang? Then interface na bilhin mo man,  record per tracks nalang or overdub like sir chiq said. Pero kung isa pang purpose is for jamming silently then go for jamhub.
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Re: Home recording
« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2016, 02:40:13 PM »
I think almost the same ang goal naten TS.

What I'm planning to do is to have a bedroom studio but instead of Jamhub, I would use a mixer and headphones amp for silent band practice since we live in a small apartment. I prefer a mixer for flexibility in case we need to use it outside for live gigs
But I want to film our cover songs using a Gopro Hero4 while recording it through the mixer for "Youtube" purposes..(syncing the audio and video later though I still need to learn how to do that later)
Setup:
Behringer Xenyx Q1202USB or Behringer Xenyx 1202FX + UCA222 soundcard (not sure if I'd get the mixer with built in effects or USB interface..maybe with built in effects)
2 guitars, 1 bass and e-drumkit plus 3 dynamic mics
Our headphones connect to a Behringer HA400

Your thoughts?

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Re: Home recording
« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2016, 08:09:52 PM »
I think almost the same ang goal naten TS.

What I'm planning to do is to have a bedroom studio but instead of Jamhub, I would use a mixer and headphones amp for silent band practice since we live in a small apartment. I prefer a mixer for flexibility in case we need to use it outside for live gigs
But I want to film our cover songs using a Gopro Hero4 while recording it through the mixer for "Youtube" purposes..(syncing the audio and video later though I still need to learn how to do that later)
Setup:
Behringer Xenyx Q1202USB or Behringer Xenyx 1202FX + UCA222 soundcard (not sure if I'd get the mixer with built in effects or USB interface..maybe with built in effects)
2 guitars, 1 bass and e-drumkit plus 3 dynamic mics
Our headphones connect to a Behringer HA400

Your thoughts?

cant beat jamhub for rehearsals because each player will have independent stereo mix with independent controls - which you can never do on simple mixer. pwede pa kung yung mixer na bibilin yung mackie matrix mixer http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/mackie-hmx-56-6-channel-headphone-matrix-mixer but still not as good as the jamhub

and for the recording setup you are planning which is just a simple stereo mix then just record the R channel of the jamhub direct from the headphone out, its just as good.


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Re: Home recording
« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2016, 08:34:17 PM »
^actually kaya din I don't want to go the Jamhub direction kasi we don't really need the independent controls on the stereo mix. Timplahin na muna namen sa mixer then 1 out to the PC and 1 out to the Headphones amp. Kelangan from mixer pa lang tama na timpla kasi it's the same mix that we will use to sync with the video recording for Youtube. Buti na lang compromise is not an issue sa band namen mababaet naman sila hehe..but the most we can do is adjust the output level of our own headphones

Apart from my plan being half the price of a Jamhub bedroom I also want it to be versatile so in case we need to use it for live performances then we have that option to explore.

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Re: Home recording
« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2016, 08:45:28 PM »
Magkano ba jamhub dito? Sino din distributor?
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Re: Home recording
« Reply #21 on: October 10, 2016, 08:58:56 PM »
300 usd sa sweetwater. ang mahal pala niyan. may 1 channel version ba niyan? jamhub bathroom... lol

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Re: Home recording
« Reply #22 on: October 10, 2016, 09:24:44 PM »
@jellybean

ok yun kung mababait and willing mag compromise ang members volume-wise, kaya lang... what if you are the only one who can play/sing your part flawlessly?

take #1... rimshot sana si drummer kaya lang hindi tumunog.
take 2... sintunado si vox 1.
take 3... nahuli sa pasok si vox 2.
take 4... pinch harmonic sana si guitar 1 pero di tumunog
take 5... naka mute pala yung mic 3.
take x... may nag ring na cp and pinapauwi na si guitar 2.

willing kang mag x takes kase may sumablay na member? and when the band finally nails it... you get a somewhat okay mix of a stellar performance. parang sayang effort/oras diba?
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Re: Home recording
« Reply #23 on: October 11, 2016, 02:44:48 AM »
^actually kaya din I don't want to go the Jamhub direction kasi we don't really need the independent controls on the stereo mix. Timplahin na muna namen sa mixer then 1 out to the PC and 1 out to the Headphones amp. Kelangan from mixer pa lang tama na timpla kasi it's the same mix that we will use to sync with the video recording for Youtube. Buti na lang compromise is not an issue sa band namen mababaet naman sila hehe..but the most we can do is adjust the output level of our own headphones

Apart from my plan being half the price of a Jamhub bedroom I also want it to be versatile so in case we need to use it for live performances then we have that option to explore.

nakaka spoil ang tunog ng jamhub. it actually makes you play better since you can hear better. you only say you dont need stereo or independent controls but trust me, you NEED to experience it to realize what you're missing. napakalaking bagay nila.

my biggest regret was selling may jamhub bedroom, ayaw din ibenta pabalik sa kin nung buyer. even if i have full digital mixer now - kaya ko binenta si jamhub - na mimiss ko pa rin si jamhub


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Re: Home recording
« Reply #24 on: October 11, 2016, 06:52:17 PM »
thanks for posting the video. Ayos ah. Nakaconnect pa ba sa amp yun guitar and bass?