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Offline rastah

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Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« on: July 22, 2007, 06:23:30 PM »
ano b ma susudgest nyo balak ko ksi mag p sound proof ng room.. na gagalit kse ung kapit bahay pag nag ddrums ako hehehe.... :?


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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2007, 09:51:45 AM »
ano b ma susudgest nyo balak ko ksi mag p sound proof ng room.. na gagalit kse ung kapit bahay pag nag ddrums ako hehehe.... :?

You need around P20,000-30,000 worth of materials to soundproof your room depending on the size and height of the ceiling.  Don't forget the laborers  350-400/day.

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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2007, 11:08:12 AM »
thats way to expensive is their a cheap way to sound prof a room just for personal use... just to minimize the sound or wat not..
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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2007, 11:09:23 AM »
bilan mo ng earmuffs yung mga kapitbahay  :-D





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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2007, 11:12:55 AM »
thats way to expensive is their a cheap way to sound prof a room just for personal use... just to minimize the sound or wat not..

Sound proofing is NOT cheap.  Otherwise the mystic egg-carton on the ceiling + carpets on the walls thing. 

Just as a rule of thumb - 

AIRTIGHT = SOUNDPROOF
SOUNDPROOFING = ROOM WITHIN A ROOM.

Now once you have your room soundproofed, next thing is how to treat the sounds bouncing all over the place, which doesnt sound so good.,


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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2007, 11:50:19 AM »
not to threadjack, pero how bout the materials that are used in sound proofing, san kaya nakakabili? ung parang foam na egg carton ung itchura.. :)

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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2007, 12:02:27 PM »
yah cuz im planing to use styro and egg trays for the ceiling you think that will do the job
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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2007, 12:04:24 PM »
wag na ung egg cartons.. meron ung foam eh teka hanap ako pics. di ko lam tawag dun.

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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2007, 12:20:43 PM »
ah i saw one of those already and its expesive its like 1k plus just for a size on a single bed
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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2007, 12:29:16 PM »
san mo nakita bro? bili sana ako.

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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2007, 12:37:19 PM »
it looks like a foam with spikes on it in sm department stores
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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2007, 01:33:41 PM »
it's cheaper if you get them directly from uratex. they're not very effective sound absorbers though. you're still stuck with a lot of midrange and low frequencies. far from ideal. you might be wasting your money in the end. your neighbors are still going to hear the low frequencies. and they're the hardest to manage.

skunkyfunk is right -- sound proofing is not cheap.
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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2007, 03:32:49 PM »
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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2007, 07:16:23 PM »
or try mo mag drums 10-12pm tsaka 4-6pm, pwede naman mag ingay ng ganung oras. or yung foam na makapal ng bed ilagay mo sa tapat ng drums, absorb niya karamihan ng sound. gamit ka din ng 7a na stick para mas mahina yung tunog. hth
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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2007, 10:18:52 AM »
thats way to expensive is their a cheap way to sound prof a room just for personal use... just to minimize the sound or wat not..

Sir, there is no such thing as soundproofing for "personal" use and "commercial" use.  The very same principles of soundproofing for commercial purposes are the same as that of personal purposes,  so if you really want to consider soundproofing, make it a major investment.  I would say however, that there are different levels of attenuation needed for soundproofing - either for music or industrial noise.

Anyway, good luck with the foam thing.  Rest-assured you'll be spending much as well, but the results would be disappointing.  I talked to the owner of Blue Room Rehearsal studios in UP Village and I was surprised at how much he spent for the blue convoluted foam you're talking about.  He also had to make sure he has a fire extinguisher as foam and electricity do not mix well.  And one last thing, the room sounds very dead... almost anechoic.

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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2007, 11:29:40 AM »
im ok with that... as long as i can minimize the sound so i can practice w/o really annoying the others
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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2007, 11:34:57 AM »
that's the thing. you'll only be decreasing the volume of the high frequencies with the foams. well, at least the neighbors won't have any trouble as long as you only play your cymbals.
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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2007, 12:11:15 PM »
Foam and egg cartons are not for "sound proofing". They're for acoustic treatment.

To achieve what you want, just find a way to seal the room so that no noise gets out. Sound can get out through your windows, door, and ceiling (if it's not concrete). Tightly-glued thick plywood sandwiches patched onto these is a cheap option, although it will not entirely keep sound from bleeding out.  Also consider getting a heavier door (or putting another door on top of your existing door).

(BTW, isn't the correct term "sound-isolation", meaning to keep the sound from getting out? "Sound proof" means that a thing is impervious to sound, that sound from the outside can't get in.)
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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2007, 12:15:12 PM »
a bit OT, but this might help...

try playing softer. it will tighten your technique. also, you might wanna use mesh heads for your drums and mutes for your cymbals when you practice. then, you'll never have to worry about bothering your neighbors.
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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2007, 12:29:31 PM »
First off, TREAT AIR LIKE WATER.  They can come out in the littlest of gaps and holes.  Do you know that small gaps from windows, doors and CRACKS can dramatically lessen the sound isolation by 40dB! 

That is why the mental hospitals have very tightly-sealed bartolinas (not that I have gone there, achehehhehe).

Rastah, not that we're dissing your known methods for pseudo-soundproofing... IT'S ALL MYTH.  The foam you see in studios are acoustic foam and they are not meant to soundproof, but to treat the acoustics.  We just want to steer you in the right direction and take away all these fallacies about soundproofing in a lot of people's minds.

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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2007, 07:06:46 PM »
I too have an irate neighbor. The "room within a room" solution is quite expensive, so I'm toying with the idea of just doubling the wall that separates our apartments. Dunno yet if that will help even a bit. And even if it will, it has to pass approval of the kumander since it will decrease our floor area. And the new wall must look nice... di pwede blue foam like Blue Room ang appearance...  :|

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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2007, 11:36:36 PM »
Easy on the foam.  Fire hazard unless you put a retardant on it.  You would not like your whole system (recording, instruments, even your house) on flames, do you?  Foam used as bedding are not very good acoustic absorbers.  Acoustic foam (a little expensive, not available here) are the ones to use.  But then again you have to fire retard them.  Egg trays are never acoustic materials.  Your understanding of the present day egg tray and the ones used long ago are totally different.  Egg trays do not have appreciable absorptive coefficient usable for acoustic purposes.

To sound proof, you need mass.  Or series of constructed panel materials arranged as a sandwich.  To tame the frequency of the room, you need absorption, diffusion and reflection.

To save money, make sure you get in touch with somebody who understands acoustics.  There are several acoustic consultants around.  It will save you a lot of trouble.

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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2007, 06:07:00 AM »
what implaning to do is like doubling the wall the original one plus the one that im going to add its like a sandwich it consists of of a sheet of plywood+ 1inch thick styrofoam inside +sheet of ply wood again what do you think guys :?
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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2007, 10:57:18 PM »
I would say styrofoam is not a very acoustic material.  You are better off with rock wool or glass fiber.  If you wanna do that, use metal studs placed about 4 inches away from your present wall, set them at 16" o. c. for the vertical, 4 feet apart for the horizontal.  Put isolation blankets in between the studs, put double gypsum board 1/2" thick, seal all joints with elastomeric or non hardening putty.  Make a tight seal.  But that's only for one wall.  What about the other walls?  Remember, sound flanks - it turns in corners.  No joke doing it.

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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2007, 03:14:42 AM »
technical stuffs gnawrly.. ill try to understand that one  :-D
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