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« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2007, 01:16:29 PM »
Tip: it's better to have a production that don't do ticket selling. Follow that and you're all set.


hmm  :? pano kikita ung prod d2? ) again, this belief is one sided. mga bands lang ang mag bbenefit sa mga productions that dont do ticket selling.

i have friends from productions that do ticket selling  and prod that dont do ticket selling. i have also some plans of putting up my own productions soon (nasimulan ko na rin magtawag-tawag sa mga bars). and basing from my friends' experience, e2 conclusion ko.

una. pano kikita ung prod if sa bar alone eh antaas na ng rentals. sa mayrics 5K daw yata bar rentals. maximum of 6 bands puwede tumugtog. ok cge assuming na pa prod tayo dun without ticket selling. invite tayo 6 bands 4 example. ung isang banda kunwari back out. ngaun 5 bands na lang makakatugtog. since walang ticket selling, walng nag-effort sa mga bndang tutugtog na magdala ng khit konting guest para makatulong sa prod. say, may 10 na walk in na nagbayad ng entrance. (100 ung ticket with 1 free beer kunwari).  scenario: mga banda tumutugtog ng walang hassle. tapos ang prod namomoblema sa pambayad ng bar rentals. hehe. kawawa naman.  :-D (ung 700 na nakuha sa walk in pang-bayad sa renta ng cymbals kasi bulok cymbals sa mayrics. haha  :evil: )

ung iba naman no ticket seliing just bring guest naman diskarte. difference? wala. kasi may required number of guest ka dn naman na dadalhin. say 5,7,10 guest. tsk3x.

ung iba naman, no ticket selling and walang required guest na dalhin (sunshine prod). ok to sa mga banda. pero a fraction of the thousand bands na gusto tumugtog ng walang ticket selling lang naman ang napapagbigyan.   una. the reason if bakit walang ticket selling and walang required guest ung deal eh dahil bumabawi ung prod sa BAR ORDERS. may share or commision sila if naabot na ng prod ung quota na sales ng bar. so kung ikaw ang magppaprod ng ganito, cno pipiliin mo na bndang ilalayn up? syempre mga MAYAYAMAN na banda na malalakas umorder at madami din mga mayayaman na kaibigan. or pwede rin mag-invite ka ng kilalang banda para pang-akit sa mga walk-in or crowd na pwede mag consume ng madame sa bar. kunin natin for example ang IMAGO na may talent fee na 25k pag maliit na bar. or kamikazee na 60-80k ang talent fee sa mga maliliit daw na bar din. ano mangyayari? kayo na mag-isip.

cguro kung may sponsor ka sa prod, pwede ka pa cguro mag prod "that don't do ticket selling" to cover up your expenses.   tama ba mga tol?

worst case scenario. say gusto mo invite urbandub. (25k-30k talent fee). venue mo freedom bar (6k bar rentals). 12 bands maximum ksama na daw main. wala kang sponsor. tapos kuha ka 11 more bands without ticket selling. assumming na meron kang 100 na walk in. ticket price mo mga 100-200 pesos. [(expenses) - (walk-in) = income ]. ayun. ano matitira sayo?

kaya aun. lagi na lang negative ang perception natin sa ticket selling. bkt? unfair ba sila if that's their technique to cover up their expenses? hndi ba negative ung perception natin sa ticket selling dhel iniisip lang natin mga banda eh ang mga kapakanan natin? dhil masa madali tumugtog pag walang ticket selling? ganun ba?

tapos kung sumikat naman ang mga bandang ito na gumigig sa mga prod that dont do ticket selling, cla naman ngaun ang mahirap abutin since for sure may t.f na din cla. tsk 3x.

siguro if libre lang lahat (bars, etc) eh puwede pa ang cnasabe nlang PRODUCTION that dont do ticket selling. (ano un? PRODUCTION FOUNDATION?)

if meron man gig na libre,  isali nyo na rin kami dun. 

peace!


 

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« Reply #26 on: September 11, 2007, 07:12:45 PM »
Actually addictus may point ka. kailangan syempre masaya lahat, makatugtog ng maayos yung mga banda, mabigyan ng exposure both the band and the place, matuwa ( hindi matawa ) mga manonood, kumita ang prod. pero yun eh mga short-sighted goals.

madalas kasi kanya-kanya mga banda. pati prod. pagkatapos ng tugtugan, kanya kanya na. pero kung tulungan, mas gaganda. yung bar kasi ( like in my case ), 5pm to 10pm lang yung gig, after nun kasi may folk night kaya kikita pa rin. gusto lang namin maging tambayan ng musikero sa North Metro Manila.kahit walang tugtugan, yung tipong kita kits lang dun, 3 bottles habang nagpapalitan ng ideas.

so magkakaroon tayo ng live network, aside sa on-line. from there, madami na tayong puwedeng gawin. battle of the bands, concert, prod, side projects, mauutangan, tribute nights, etc.

kaya nga i'm inviting pati mga prods para mas dumami din network nila. i don't know about the other bands, pero kami kasi, we just want to make music, cover man or orig, masarap din tumugtog, yung pagsikat, bonus na lang yun. ang masarap, pag may apo ka na, maiku kuwento mo sa apo mo yung mga happenings mo . . . wow heavy

kaya i'm again inviting yung mga seryosong banda, prods, kita kits tayo sa sept 15. Roland's bar and grill, North Fairview. May 3 nagpa line-up na, ( sana pumunta kayo  :mrgreen: ), yung mga gusto,pa, text lang 09192205461.

peace.

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« Reply #27 on: September 25, 2007, 04:19:32 PM »
personally, sa view ng nagbabanda, parang sobrang talo ng may ticket selling eh. Una sa lahat, ikaw na yung tumugtog, parang ikaw pa yung nagbayad.(kasi yung mga nagpapaticket selling na prods, pag di mo nabenta, ikaw bibili diba?).. Minsan tuloy, pakiramdam mo pagkatapos ng gig, para kang nanakawan. Pero masaya na din dahil nakatugtog, kaya next time sa prod na lang na walang ticket selling ka.

*madaming prod na hindi nagpapabenta ng tickets, at mukhang matagal na din yung prod nila(kahit small time lang), bakit kaya? Siguro, bago ka magsimula ng prod, kailangan mo talaga muna isipin kung anong purpose mo sa pagpapaprod. Maganda kung gusto mong tumulong sa mga  nagsisimulang mga banda with lots of potential diba? para sabay sabay kayo mag-grow. dadating din yung araw na malakas na yung hatak nila, at mababawi mo na puhunan ninyo.  :cry: hehe  :mrgreen:
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« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2007, 12:26:03 AM »
You need lots of money, dedicated people who will work for you, and CONNECTIONS!  Start building contacts.   :-D

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« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2007, 10:34:02 AM »
dapat marami kang kilalang pulis at bumbero !!!  :-D
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« Reply #30 on: October 12, 2007, 02:12:03 AM »
waaaa?! pwede ba sa gitna!hehehe lahat xe my tamang point...hehehe dun na lang ako sa lahat makikinabang..para lahat masaya up na lang!yahahaha
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« Reply #31 on: October 12, 2007, 05:12:13 AM »
waaaa?! pwede ba sa gitna!hehehe lahat xe my tamang point...hehehe dun na lang ako sa lahat makikinabang..para lahat masaya up na lang!yahahaha



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« Reply #32 on: October 17, 2007, 08:07:34 AM »

if meron man gig na libre,  isali nyo na rin kami dun. 

peace!

 

MERON!
Sa Friday (oct. 19) sa Wilfredo's Fairview!
WALANG TICKET SELLING, NO GUESTS REQUIRED!
Tugtugan lang tayo at bonding-bonding (nyehehe!)...
c'mon!
Kung sakaling may gusto pang magpa-line-up, nakapost yung contact details ko sa thread na to.
Thanks!

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« Reply #33 on: December 03, 2007, 12:06:34 AM »
 :-D :-D :-D

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« Reply #34 on: January 24, 2008, 06:18:54 PM »


 ano pong requirements pag meron po kami invite na mga recording artist? :-D

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« Reply #35 on: March 13, 2008, 10:32:02 AM »

hmm  :? pano kikita ung prod d2? ) again, this belief is one sided. mga bands lang ang mag bbenefit sa mga productions that dont do ticket selling.

i have friends from productions that do ticket selling  and prod that dont do ticket selling. i have also some plans of putting up my own productions soon (nasimulan ko na rin magtawag-tawag sa mga bars). and basing from my friends' experience, e2 conclusion ko.

una. pano kikita ung prod if sa bar alone eh antaas na ng rentals. sa mayrics 5K daw yata bar rentals. maximum of 6 bands puwede tumugtog. ok cge assuming na pa prod tayo dun without ticket selling. invite tayo 6 bands 4 example. ung isang banda kunwari back out. ngaun 5 bands na lang makakatugtog. since walang ticket selling, walng nag-effort sa mga bndang tutugtog na magdala ng khit konting guest para makatulong sa prod. say, may 10 na walk in na nagbayad ng entrance. (100 ung ticket with 1 free beer kunwari).  scenario: mga banda tumutugtog ng walang hassle. tapos ang prod namomoblema sa pambayad ng bar rentals. hehe. kawawa naman.  :-D (ung 700 na nakuha sa walk in pang-bayad sa renta ng cymbals kasi bulok cymbals sa mayrics. haha  :evil: )

ung iba naman no ticket seliing just bring guest naman diskarte. difference? wala. kasi may required number of guest ka dn naman na dadalhin. say 5,7,10 guest. tsk3x.

ung iba naman, no ticket selling and walang required guest na dalhin (sunshine prod). ok to sa mga banda. pero a fraction of the thousand bands na gusto tumugtog ng walang ticket selling lang naman ang napapagbigyan.   una. the reason if bakit walang ticket selling and walang required guest ung deal eh dahil bumabawi ung prod sa BAR ORDERS. may share or commision sila if naabot na ng prod ung quota na sales ng bar. so kung ikaw ang magppaprod ng ganito, cno pipiliin mo na bndang ilalayn up? syempre mga MAYAYAMAN na banda na malalakas umorder at madami din mga mayayaman na kaibigan. or pwede rin mag-invite ka ng kilalang banda para pang-akit sa mga walk-in or crowd na pwede mag consume ng madame sa bar. kunin natin for example ang IMAGO na may talent fee na 25k pag maliit na bar. or kamikazee na 60-80k ang talent fee sa mga maliliit daw na bar din. ano mangyayari? kayo na mag-isip.

cguro kung may sponsor ka sa prod, pwede ka pa cguro mag prod "that don't do ticket selling" to cover up your expenses.   tama ba mga tol?

worst case scenario. say gusto mo invite urbandub. (25k-30k talent fee). venue mo freedom bar (6k bar rentals). 12 bands maximum ksama na daw main. wala kang sponsor. tapos kuha ka 11 more bands without ticket selling. assumming na meron kang 100 na walk in. ticket price mo mga 100-200 pesos. [(expenses) - (walk-in) = income ]. ayun. ano matitira sayo?

kaya aun. lagi na lang negative ang perception natin sa ticket selling. bkt? unfair ba sila if that's their technique to cover up their expenses? hndi ba negative ung perception natin sa ticket selling dhel iniisip lang natin mga banda eh ang mga kapakanan natin? dhil masa madali tumugtog pag walang ticket selling? ganun ba?

tapos kung sumikat naman ang mga bandang ito na gumigig sa mga prod that dont do ticket selling, cla naman ngaun ang mahirap abutin since for sure may t.f na din cla. tsk 3x.

siguro if libre lang lahat (bars, etc) eh puwede pa ang cnasabe nlang PRODUCTION that dont do ticket selling. (ano un? PRODUCTION FOUNDATION?)

if meron man gig na libre,  isali nyo na rin kami dun. 

peace!


 


oo nga... i have a prod... yes we do ticket sell... pero we make sure na may sikat na guest band kaming maisasama sa mga bagong banda na tutugtog... and not only that... we choose bands na willing makipag interact dun sa mga baguhan... kumbaga atleast for a night makabonding nila tong mga taong to na nakikita lang nila sa tv at naririnig lang nila sa radyo...

another point... tulad namin... Laguna based kami... so normally... we pay extra sa mga guest bands since considered out of town na... kung hindi kami magpapaticket sell... sa tingin nyo sa paanong paraan namin mababayran yung guest band na nirequest nyo db?  and to think ang dami ng paimportante at pasaway na mga batang banda ngayon... magsset kami ng call time... 2 hours late silang pupunta kasi ayaw nilang mag first band... ang ayos ng usapan days bago ung gig... tapos pupunta don tapos ang daming reklamo.... eh hello... we're paying for the venue db???? pano kaya tayo matatapos on time... kung ndi makakapag start on time dahil lang sa pasaway na mga banda.... and that means kelangan namin magbayad ng extra sa bar dahil nag exceed kami sa time...

madaming galit sa ticket selling prods.... pero ang tanong.... ung mga prods ba nakakakuha ng enuf support galing sa mga banda kung d namin oobligahin.... and kayong mga banda nag eexert ba kayo ng extra effort para naman suportahan ung mga prods.????!!!!


at eto un eh... kung talagang willing kayo na magsama ng friends nyo na manonood at willing magbayad ng entrance.... hindi ba parang same thing lang un???  :-D

we are not asking you to pay for the tickets naman eh... waht we are asking is for the bands to help us sell the tickets.....

kaya nyo iniisip na kayo pa ung nagbabayad samin... kasi ndi nyo ibinebenta ung tix nyo... and u end up paying for it by yourselves.... db?  :-D


siguro ganito lang un eh... para lahat tayo masaya...


kung banda ako:
1. suportahan natin ung mga prods na magpaticket sell man eh makatarungan pa din... like worth naman for the venue, guest bands and the equipments, maayos kausap at organized...

2. ibebenta ko ung tix ko sa mga kaibigan ko at relatives ko... at syenpre kung d naman olats yung banda ko... hindi un mahirap gawin db? :-D


kung prod ako:
1. hanap ao ng venue na accessible para sa banda.

2. lugar na malakas ang eksena.

3. give reasonable price for the tickets.

4. look for a quality guest band.

5. be organized and responsible throughout the gig...

6. suportahan din ung mga banda na nakatugtog na syo sa iba pa nilang gigs... and at least create a good relationship with these bands...

un lang...  :-D

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« Reply #36 on: March 21, 2008, 07:52:38 PM »
waaaa?! pwede ba sa gitna!hehehe lahat xe my tamang point...hehehe dun na lang ako sa lahat makikinabang..para lahat masaya up na lang!yahahaha


+1. mahirap mag ticket selling pag banda ka. pero sobrang stressful mag-prod.  :-D

kaya lahat may point.  :-)
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« Reply #37 on: April 09, 2008, 09:58:58 PM »
may mga bar na ang requirement ay "bring some guests" at sa sales nila that night may 10% ka... ok na yun para pamasahe pauwi at pang-load para magkayaya uli ng mga banda sa susunod na gig. ang ganitong sistema ay kayang patakbuhin ng isang tao. ang kailangan mo lang ay mga contact ng banda.

minsan talaga yung venue ang sikreto sa maayos na gig. yung gamit at yung presyo ng beer.

wala namang siguro masama kung kumikita ka sa pagpo-prod. basta ba kukuha ka lang ng tama para sa 'yo at yung makatarungan (yung hindi talo yung mga banda mula sa sikat haggang sa pinakabata..lahat dapat masaya!). at laging isaisip na F*ck ang pera.

Sa ticket selling, siguraduhing bukas ang isip ng  mga banda sa ideyang ang prod ay isang kolektib-eport na ang punto ay ang pagtutulungang makahanap ng mga audience (bayanihang banda at ang nagpapatakbo ng prod.) wala ka namang kukuning pera sa banda. minsan nga may porsyento pa sila sa bentang ticket.

yan lang konti kong nalalaman pero mahaba lang paliwanag.

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« Reply #38 on: April 15, 2008, 06:55:04 PM »
 

i seriously advise you to not go into prods for business. you have better chances of making money if you work as a call center agent...

you do prods as a HOBBY.

i own equipment, and i can do prods without paying for musical instruments in a small bar ... and guess what? ... i expect to have a NEGATIVE at the end of the night ... kung break even, thank you GOD! ... kung positive ... i doubt na lalampas ng 2K, at least makapag French Fries celebration kami ng mga banda ...
« Last Edit: April 15, 2008, 06:57:50 PM by IncX »

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« Reply #39 on: April 18, 2008, 11:08:28 PM »


i seriously advise you to not go into prods for business. you have better chances of making money if you work as a call center agent...

you do prods as a HOBBY.

i own equipment, and i can do prods without paying for musical instruments in a small bar ... and guess what? ... i expect to have a NEGATIVE at the end of the night ... kung break even, thank you GOD! ... kung positive ... i doubt na lalampas ng 2K, at least makapag French Fries celebration kami ng mga banda ...

tama ka bossing! sobrang llaki na nga yung P2k e...

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« Reply #40 on: May 05, 2008, 08:28:30 PM »
Good day'

Tanung ko lang kung mas mura gumawa ng gig sa mga bahay na pwede gawing gig house just for a night? Kung may alam kayo pakipost lang dito thanks! :?
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« Reply #41 on: June 24, 2008, 12:57:58 AM »
Good day'

Tanung ko lang kung mas mura gumawa ng gig sa mga bahay na pwede gawing gig house just for a night? Kung may alam kayo pakipost lang dito thanks! :?

Bro, sa palagay ko kakayanin yan. Kasi may natugtugan kami before, sa garahe ng bahay lang. Ang magiging kalaban mo dyan yung mga kapitbahay na magrereklamo sa sobrang ingay.

Yung house nung natugtugan namin malayo and mataas ang pader kaya siguro naisagawa yun.
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« Reply #42 on: June 30, 2008, 12:37:59 AM »
Salamat sa tip ser!

Bro, sa palagay ko kakayanin yan. Kasi may natugtugan kami before, sa garahe ng bahay lang. Ang magiging kalaban mo dyan yung mga kapitbahay na magrereklamo sa sobrang ingay.

Yung house nung natugtugan namin malayo and mataas ang pader kaya siguro naisagawa yun.
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« Reply #43 on: August 09, 2008, 07:20:20 PM »
wow! dami ko natutunan!

ayaw ng banda namin sa ticket selling. Parang nagbabayad kami para makatugtog. hahahaha

siyempre dapat di ba, ikaw nag entertain, ikaw ang bayaran? lolz!!!

nag prod din ako dati may ticket selling pero ayoko na ulitin kasi nakakaawa naman yung mga banda na baguhan e.
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« Reply #44 on: August 24, 2008, 05:09:06 PM »
Tip: it's better to have a production that don't do ticket selling. Follow that and you're all set.

+1 approve to you sir  :-D
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« Reply #45 on: September 04, 2008, 05:53:09 PM »
I'd like to post my thread here... teka.

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« Reply #46 on: September 09, 2008, 08:40:32 PM »
yung ibang prod..pinapahirapan nila ung bands..

example:

production: "hey tugtog naman kayo sa event ko! pls"

band: "sure, kelan ba yan?"

prod: " blah blah blah..600 remit"

band: " aww.. panu pag konti lng nadala naming friends?"

prod: " ok lang, bayaran nio nalang yung kulang."

*deads ang banda,panu pag nag commuter lng sila? then ang layo ng venue?

ubos pera, walang pang kain..dhil pinang abono dun sa prod

:cry:

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« Reply #47 on: September 16, 2008, 11:44:53 AM »
An Organizer's Guide to Better Gigs
(from http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,99165.0.html)

In Manila’s music scene, there are good music productions that have well-attended and well-respected gigs, and there are productions that have a lot of horror stories from the bands. Many people usually have low regard for these kinds of productions, and it is quite a mystery how these types of productions strive despite the bad publicity they get across blogs and online forums.

The main problem of these types of productions is the sore lack of long-term planning. These are usually composed of barkadas who just came up with an idea of having a production to be seen, to give their friends a chance to play in bars, and/or to earn money.

What’s common with these productions is their “quantity over quality” mentality. They’d invite a lot of eager amateur bands for a gig because they are easier to get and they are much easier to be fooled with unfair policies. Sometimes, they may get one or two mainstream bands as lures for bands. These productions usually hold their events in seedy and equally abusive bars.

The good news is that these kinds of productions are usually short-lived, because they build bad impressions in the long run. The bad news is that they are usually replaced by similar productions.
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« Reply #48 on: September 16, 2008, 11:46:19 AM »
At a disadvantage

Amateur bands don’t benefit from these kinds of productions for several reasons. Firstly, they only get to play a handful, or even merely a couple, of songs because of the number of bands crammed into one tight schedule, which is more often than not made worse by late starts or long sound checks by inexperienced bands. Secondly, the audience may not be that receptive because they are usually composed of people from other bands themselves, who are too preoccupied with their own egos and music to appreciate the other songs played. Non-band viewers are usually friends of bands (“hatak”) that only focus on the bands that brought them there. Lastly, and most importantly, the policies of these productions – pay-to-play, a padrino system (organizers favoring friends' bands), etc. – are not meant to help the band gain exposure or money. Money and fame (or notoriety) belong to the “organizers”.

Despite these disadvantages, amateur bands keep on playing in these productions because they don’t see other options in the scene. They end up in an endless cycle of hoping and failing.
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« Reply #49 on: September 16, 2008, 11:48:02 AM »
Moving towards a healthier system

Taking cues from successful and respectable productions like Revolver, Admit One, and Ninja Kiss, as well as productions that respect amateur bands like Kermit and Sunshine, I have discovered a process to help aspiring organizers and bands get their much-deserved respect.

The best solution is to have productions that would promote a “quality over quantity” mentality. It is a much healthier practice for any production because it provides a bigger and better reputation, profit, and network in the long run.

To pursue this positive mentality, organizers should go against unfair practices. The following are some suggestions for those who want to make a difference for the underground scene:
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