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Offline Thechief

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Putting up a production? Read this!
« on: August 19, 2007, 01:03:53 PM »
good day guys!

im thinking of putting up a production.. how much do i need? what do i need to know? share naman jan.. :wink: :-D
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Re: productions-- what are the basics?
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2007, 02:56:02 PM »
Tip: it's better to have a production that don't do ticket selling. Follow that and you're all set.
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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2007, 05:02:32 PM »
nice..thnks.. uhmm.. how much do we normanlly pay for the venue?

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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2007, 11:53:07 PM »
look for a venue you think you could fill up with a lot of people, regardless if there is an entrance fee or not. Usually, you need to meet bar or gate gaurantees. and yes, if possible, not on a ticket selling aggreement but that does not mean the bands shouldn't bring guests/ crowd. :-D
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« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2007, 03:07:23 PM »
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« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2007, 03:55:25 PM »
hmmm, dagdag na katanungan...

papano kikita yung production, kung walng ticket selling?

may porsyento ba sa kita ng bar/venue sa mga order ng food and drinks?

PM nalang po yung kasagutan, kung feeling nyo (mga prodduction) e medyo mabibisto yung raket  :-D
balak ko rin kasi, pero ayaw ko ng ticket selling, kasi as a band ayaw ko rin ng ticket selling na production... pero syempre gusto ko rin naman rumaket  :-D

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« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2007, 04:06:35 PM »
Sa Kolumn Bar alam co laging free entrance eh. Siguro may cut nga yung nagpa-prod sa mismong bar. Not sure though.
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« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2007, 04:14:56 PM »
Paying for the venue: talk to the venue owner. May venues that ask for a guarantee, there are those who don't. Bar guarantees start from 5K and go to as high as... sobrang mahal, depende sa venue. May iba naman na walang guarantee for weekdays, but meron on weekends. Purple Haze is like this.

Bands: Ikaw ang bahala magtawag ng banda. Mas OK kung similar genres or similar audiences, para lahat ng tao mag-eenjoy at hindi agad aalis. Mas maraming banda, mas maraming oorder ng beer, pero mas konti ang songs per set. TF can be arranged, depende sa banda. Pwede ring may hati sila sa cover charge. Kung walang TF, magpa-beer ka man lang. At.... importante nga pala na terms are clear for the band the moment pa lang na inimbita sila, hindi yung surprise terms when they get to the venue na.

Scheduling scheme - may iba first-come, first choice of sked. May iba naman, may set sked na. May iba naman, walang kwenta magsked, labo-labo... huwag tularan ang mga ito.

Tickets: Depende ang presyo sa areglo with the venue owner. On a consumer point of view, 100-150 is acceptable, 200 and up is ok only if the band inside is worth watching, a.k.a. sikat or magaling. Ticket selling... ayoko magplay para sa prod niyo kung ticket selling. Meron bang matinong banda na papayag sa ticket selling? Dahil hindi ka makakakuha ng magaling na banda, you will be known as the olats prod... hindi uunlad ang prod mo. You just need to promise a good show para balik-balikan ka. The first prod night will probably leave you penniless, pero if you accumulate a good reputation, hindi ka na mahihirapan humatak ng magagaling na banda, sponsors, at kita in the long run.

Marketing: Bilang prod organizer, kayo ang may main responsibility magpromote ng gig. Bands also do this through their mailing lists, mass texting, inviting their friends, etc. Pero putting up posters, announcing the gig on radio, disseminating in mailing lists (e.g. Pinoy rock) ay sa inyo na.

Sponsors: sila ang bahala gumastos para sa prod mo, at least to an extent. Pero ang kapalit ay maraming tao ang makakarinig ng produkto nila. Pag olats ang prod, lesser tendency for sponsorship. Kelangan din ng pagpaplano ito... ang mga companies (e.g. San Miguel), gusto ng 1 month in advance ang proposals for sponsorship. And mas trip nila ang series of gigs, hindi paisa-isa lang. And... consult your yellow pages for details.

Profit: Money comes from consumers and sponsors. Consumers give you money via tickets, or through an arrangement with the venue owner on the percentage of the night's sales. Aregluhan yun with the venue owner. 

Isa pang source ng income ay merchandise... sell demo cds, buttons, silk-screened shirts, etc ng bandang tutugtog. With their consent ha.

Pero essentially, walang kitang pambuhay sa pagpoprod. Unless big time.

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« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2007, 04:20:21 PM »
karaniwan sa bar is mga 7k ata sa kanila

me porsyento kapa dun

ang gusto kase ng bar eh mapalitan ng production mo yung kita nila ng regular night

because your renting the bar

me porsyento kapa siguro dun

and ok lang na may ticket selling

mga 100 per head wit free beer

ok na yun

i have a friend na may production kase

and ok naman buhay niya ngayon

basta hanap ka ng bar na ok talaga

no problem sa gamit

and ticket selling and price

sa mga bands,madale na yun

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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2007, 09:28:35 AM »
Excellent explanation.. couldn't have said it better myself :)

And I totally agree with the last point... unless all the bands you get agree to not get paid for the night, then putting up productions is not a good way of making money.. most productions do it for the exposure and the camaraderie.

The most important thing to remember is that ALL of the work in putting up a production happens at least a month or two before the actual event. This means getting sponsors, putting up posters, getting the bands, sending out flyers, blast emails, etc. etc. Usually having a small team in your production can accomplish this, which means you can just delegate certain responsibilities. Playground Productions is like this, as well as Heartfire Productions. They are very well organized and know how to plan in advance. Putting up a prod is not just about finding out the terms of the bar, and then getting the bands. You can't rely on walk ins.. kailangan may hatak yung mga banda.

Good luck with your prod and hope you succeed  :-D

Paying for the venue: talk to the venue owner. May venues that ask for a guarantee, there are those who don't. Bar guarantees start from 5K and go to as high as... sobrang mahal, depende sa venue. May iba naman na walang guarantee for weekdays, but meron on weekends. Purple Haze is like this.

Bands: Ikaw ang bahala magtawag ng banda. Mas OK kung similar genres or similar audiences, para lahat ng tao mag-eenjoy at hindi agad aalis. Mas maraming banda, mas maraming oorder ng beer, pero mas konti ang songs per set. TF can be arranged, depende sa banda. Pwede ring may hati sila sa cover charge. Kung walang TF, magpa-beer ka man lang. At.... importante nga pala na terms are clear for the band the moment pa lang na inimbita sila, hindi yung surprise terms when they get to the venue na.

Scheduling scheme - may iba first-come, first choice of sked. May iba naman, may set sked na. May iba naman, walang kwenta magsked, labo-labo... huwag tularan ang mga ito.

Tickets: Depende ang presyo sa areglo with the venue owner. On a consumer point of view, 100-150 is acceptable, 200 and up is ok only if the band inside is worth watching, a.k.a. sikat or magaling. Ticket selling... ayoko magplay para sa prod niyo kung ticket selling. Meron bang matinong banda na papayag sa ticket selling? Dahil hindi ka makakakuha ng magaling na banda, you will be known as the olats prod... hindi uunlad ang prod mo. You just need to promise a good show para balik-balikan ka. The first prod night will probably leave you penniless, pero if you accumulate a good reputation, hindi ka na mahihirapan humatak ng magagaling na banda, sponsors, at kita in the long run.

Marketing: Bilang prod organizer, kayo ang may main responsibility magpromote ng gig. Bands also do this through their mailing lists, mass texting, inviting their friends, etc. Pero putting up posters, announcing the gig on radio, disseminating in mailing lists (e.g. Pinoy rock) ay sa inyo na.

Sponsors: sila ang bahala gumastos para sa prod mo, at least to an extent. Pero ang kapalit ay maraming tao ang makakarinig ng produkto nila. Pag olats ang prod, lesser tendency for sponsorship. Kelangan din ng pagpaplano ito... ang mga companies (e.g. San Miguel), gusto ng 1 month in advance ang proposals for sponsorship. And mas trip nila ang series of gigs, hindi paisa-isa lang. And... consult your yellow pages for details.

Profit: Money comes from consumers and sponsors. Consumers give you money via tickets, or through an arrangement with the venue owner on the percentage of the night's sales. Aregluhan yun with the venue owner. 

Isa pang source ng income ay merchandise... sell demo cds, buttons, silk-screened shirts, etc ng bandang tutugtog. With their consent ha.

Pero essentially, walang kitang pambuhay sa pagpoprod. Unless big time.

Good luck!
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« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2007, 03:48:49 PM »
maraming salamat sa mga replies..  ok na ok.. time to assemble the team..hehe

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« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2007, 06:28:47 PM »
hello mga tol, share ko lang. . . .
- bago ang lahat, alamin mo muna tunay na pakay mo for production; income? to help new bands? to promote a certain genre? to promote a specific band? to promote a venue or product? or maybe just to create a music scene or party.
- kung income, be ready to gamble, minsan kita, minsan abono ka. bihira yung bar na walang bar guarantee
- regarding ticket selling, ok lang yun, basta reasonable yung price ng ticket sa lugar, sa banda, at kung gaano kadami naka line-up.
- stick to common genre if possible, pero para sa mga tunay na musikero, genre doesn't exist, A -Z, it's music. masarap halo-halo di ba? basta may yelo, gatas, asukal  :-D
- wag ka kukuha ng banda na paimportante, yung mga naka helmet agad, bad trip yun. mas maganda pa kumuha ng mga bagong banda, basta nandun yung passion sa musika, kahit hindi gaano teknical, mas maganda pa.
- get sponsors, do the promotion.
- planuhing mabuti, pati yung mga upuan ng banda, etc.
- inom ka 3 beer bago magsimula prod, have fun !!! in the end, it's all about music.

peace  :mrgreen:
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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2007, 02:25:19 PM »
nice one pachangka, thanks.. :-D

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« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2007, 02:33:13 PM »
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« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2007, 06:15:16 PM »
ask lng po: :?

kelangan pa ba ng permit to have a prod?

ano po ung pinaka first step to set an event? contact bars po ba?

pano po pag may nsira ung band sa bar.. babayaran po ba ng prod un?

may contract po ba dpat between bar and production?

ano po ung mga bars na alam nyong matulungin sa mga bagong production?


thanx po in advance sa mga sasagot!  :-D

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« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2007, 10:41:03 PM »
can someone answer my questions... please nman po.. :?

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« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2007, 11:41:13 PM »
ask lng po: :?

kelangan pa ba ng permit to have a prod?

ano po ung pinaka first step to set an event? contact bars po ba?

pano po pag may nsira ung band sa bar.. babayaran po ba ng prod un?

may contract po ba dpat between bar and production?

ano po ung mga bars na alam nyong matulungin sa mga bagong production?


thanx po in advance sa mga sasagot!  :-D


sir, wala po kong experience sa professional productions pero gusto ko lang ishare yung kaunting nalalaman ko about it.  nung college kasi ay madalas nag-oorganize kami ng projects for the school, but i think applicable pa din ito on a professional level.

hindi na kailangan ng permit kung sa loob lang ng bar gagawin yung production since private venue naman at ikaw ang nagrerent ng place for the whole night. covered na ng business permit nung bar kung anuman ang mangyayari sa loob ng bar during the event. kakailanganin mo lang ng permit kung sa public place mo na gagawin yung production mo (e.g., concert sa isang open air na lugar like basketball courts or parang street party). kailangan mo ng permit sa barangay at sa city hall kung saan mo gagawin yung event at syempre may babayaran. kailangan mo din inform ang local police about sa event.

syempre yung first step is to look for a venue.

i think there should be a contract between the bar and the production para na din sa security ng both parties just in case may isang hindi nakapagdeliver (like hindi mo nakumpleto yung napagkasunduang bar guarantee in which case gagawa ng promisory note yung production or kapag yung bar naman ang hindi nakapagbigay ng cut sa production), at syempre the production will be held liable for any damages during the event..

sana po nakatulong...

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« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2007, 08:37:16 AM »
just target the music lovers and the paying crowd. marketing and strategy is a must. Get an event organizer to plan the whole thing for you.
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« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2007, 03:45:36 PM »
thanx rfe!!  :wink:

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« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2007, 03:47:08 PM »
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« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2007, 12:13:31 AM »

sir mod, since madami din bars na nagpopost dito na nag-iinvite ng productions, why not make a thread exclusively para sa mga bars na pwede maging venue ng production? i think malaking tulong ito sa mga nagbabalak magventure sa ganito.. just my two cents..  :-)

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« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2007, 02:27:01 AM »
ask lng po: :?

kelangan pa ba ng permit to have a prod?

ano po ung pinaka first step to set an event? contact bars po ba?

pano po pag may nsira ung band sa bar.. babayaran po ba ng prod un?

may contract po ba dpat between bar and production?

ano po ung mga bars na alam nyong matulungin sa mga bagong production?


thanx po in advance sa mga sasagot!  :-D

I believe the first step is to get at least 1 or 2 really good and popular bands to join your prod.. and then you can usually fill out the lineup with lesser known bands. That way, your prod can gain ground quickly. Unless maraming hatak yung mga bands na kukunin mo, you really won't get anywhere getting unknown bands to play in your prod. It really pays to know the right people.

The second step is to get as many contacts as you can. Contacts with other prods can help, as you can trade bands in each other's roster if you need to fill out a lineup with good bands. Most especially, you need to contact the bars.

***VERY IMPORTANT: you should not just text the bar owner and ask for a date. That is so unprofessional. Putting up a prod in a bar is exactly like trying to get a job. You have to do a job interview pa di ba? You don't just text the place you want to work at and ask for a job. You need to present yourself. This shows your dedication and commitment. The bar owner also needs to assess your character in order to see kung maayos ka magpa-prod o hindi. Unless you are a very well known production like Admit One, Kerplunk!, or Sonicboom, then texting a bar owner without introducing yourself face to face is not a good idea.

If a bar hosts prods regularly (at least 3-5 times a week) then usually walang contract na yan. Most of the professional prods find it a hassle kung may kontrata pa and would rather not work with the bar if this was the case. There needs to be trust between the bar and the prod. It's the bar's obligation naman to screen the good prods from the bad ones kasi there's a liability issue with the equipment.

If the bar's equipment gets damaged and the fault can be linked directly to the prod, then it is only fair that the prod compensate the bar for damages. Usually ang nasisira dyan is drum skins (which is about P1,000 per skin), mic stands (P280-P700 lang yan sa Raon), Microphones (eto medyo mahal to), mic cables (some vocalists kasi tug on the mic cable hard while they're singing so either nagiging loose sya on the mic end, or natatanggal yung "lock" nya from the mixer's connecting end). Kung nasira naman yung amp, well, that's a big problem. It wouldn't be such a bad idea if your production would bring your own guitar amps for use. You only need about 2-3 depending on the set up. Just to be on the safe side and to make sure the liability issues will be avoided.

Permits - walang problema unless the venue exceeds 200 people and you're expecting a crowd that would fill up a small auditorium.

Hope this info helps and good luck :)
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« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2007, 06:24:10 AM »
tanong lang.... ilang bands ba tlaga ang ideal na magpeperform sa isang gig....??? syempre kasi pag marami malalaspag yung gamit kawawa naman yung nasa bandang huling slot...... at isa pa kung bandang huling slot ka, baka ndi pa kayo makatugtog...... nandun na ako sa may hinahabol na quota ang mga productions, pero syempre dapat emphatize din sa mga banda diba.......
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« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2007, 05:48:11 PM »
Invite ko kayo sa bar ko, Roland's bar and grill, North Fairview. Open prod sa Sept 15. No ticket selling, dry run lang for production. Rock, Alternative, Punk, Ska, Reggae. First 6 bands lang. Baka may malapit, punta kayo, dun natin pagusapan mga ideas.

Thanks

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« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2007, 07:13:27 PM »
gud day pachanka

gud luck sa project mo.. nagtxt ka kanina sa akin.. sayang ksi may conflict.. may gig un band namin eh.. next time sana invite mo ulit kami..

more power

good luck!