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Offline greatwolf

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« Reply #850 on: October 11, 2007, 10:19:15 AM »
O, may legal trial portion na tong thread na to. Pang-Pinoy movies talaga! Ang kulang na lang eh.. May magkaamnesia! Hahahaha! :lol:

At saka kontrabidang may bigote...

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« Reply #851 on: October 11, 2007, 10:58:16 AM »
At saka kontrabidang may bigote...
"Dalaga na anak mo, MAMENG!"(Romy Diaz tone) :lol:

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« Reply #852 on: October 11, 2007, 11:04:03 AM »
Bago mag-song & dance number sa beach, may habulan muna with Alma Moreno. Tas yung halikan, sarado yung bibig. Tukaan lang na ismak.
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« Reply #853 on: October 11, 2007, 11:33:38 AM »
Bago mag-song & dance number sa beach, may habulan muna with Alma Moreno. Tas yung halikan, sarado yung bibig. Tukaan lang na ismak.
Kiskisan ng bibig.!hahahaha

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« Reply #854 on: October 11, 2007, 11:44:30 AM »
Oo, kiskisan ng bibig. :-D
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« Reply #855 on: October 11, 2007, 12:11:37 PM »
Have you ever heard of this rhetoric question...

"Can you hear the flames [in the maple top]?"

For me, a custom guitar is good if and only if the FINISHED PRODUCT satisfies you.  Iba-iba naman ang level of satisfaction ng tao, kaya doon pa lang can of worms na ang topic na ito.

Although I think, there is such a thing as BARE MINIMUM.  There is also such a thing as LAW OF DIMINISHING RETURNS when it comes to building a guitar.  How much would one guitar cost to maintain a certain level of consistency and *nice tone* (which is again relative)?  Consistency is NOT relative though.  It is either a production line of guitars is CONSISTENT or LESS-CONSISTENT, to NOT AT ALL CONSISTENT.

What makes these boutique guitar-makers charge so high?  It is the CONSISTENCY that these boutique manufacturers offer that you are after.  As for the TONE, you may or may not like one of them (price factor aside).  In a blindfold test, you may or may not like a Baker B3, not because the tone "sucks", but maybe because it is not your cup of tea.  Timbre is what we are very receptive to.  But as for "player response", I believe that this is less-subjective.  IMO, everyone wants a playable guitar.  Everyone wants a guitar that responds better to fingers.  Everyone wants notes to bloom. 

And imagine, the high-end luthiers reject up to 40% of the wood inventory.  And when there is no available wood to their liking, they have moratorium on manufacturing.

As for Elegee, I do believe he is not yet at the level of the high-end luthiers.  But for the price, should you be complaining?  Everything is a hit and miss thing for any guitar, except that with a custom Elegee, you are guaranteed not to sell it for a good price should you not become happy. 

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« Reply #856 on: October 11, 2007, 12:29:53 PM »
Have you ever heard of this rhetoric question...

"Can you hear the flames [in the maple top]?"

For me, a custom guitar is good if and only if the FINISHED PRODUCT satisfies you.  Iba-iba naman ang level of satisfaction ng tao, kaya doon pa lang can of worms na ang topic na ito.

Although I think, there is such a thing as BARE MINIMUM.  There is also such a thing as LAW OF DIMINISHING RETURNS when it comes to building a guitar.  How much would one guitar cost to maintain a certain level of consistency and *nice tone* (which is again relative)?  Consistency is NOT relative though.  It is either a production line of guitars is CONSISTENT or LESS-CONSISTENT, to NOT AT ALL CONSISTENT.

What makes these boutique guitar-makers charge so high?  It is the CONSISTENCY that these boutique manufacturers offer that you are after.  As for the TONE, you may or may not like one of them (price factor aside).  In a blindfold test, you may or may not like a Baker B3, not because the tone "sucks", but maybe because it is not your cup of tea.  Timbre is what we are very receptive to.  But as for "player response", I believe that this is less-subjective.  IMO, everyone wants a playable guitar.  Everyone wants a guitar that responds better to fingers.  Everyone wants notes to bloom. 

And imagine, the high-end luthiers reject up to 40% of the wood inventory.  And when there is no available wood to their liking, they have moratorium on manufacturing.

As for Elegee, I do believe he is not yet at the level of the high-end luthiers.  But for the price, should you be complaining?  Everything is a hit and miss thing for any guitar, except that with a custom Elegee, you are guaranteed not to sell it for a good price should you not become happy. 

Tone is hit or miss kahit sino pa ang gumawa nyang guitara...

Ang maasahan mo lang ay ang build quality at attention to detail...

The dragon has put out my fire.

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« Reply #857 on: October 11, 2007, 12:41:53 PM »
Tone is hit or miss kahit sino pa ang gumawa nyang guitara...

Ang maasahan mo lang ay ang build quality at attention to detail...
Tama ka dyan men. Like pedals for instance. Go to music store and test all of the DS1s on the shelf,meron talagang isang good sounding DS1 among the rest diba? FYI,pare-pareho pang components nakalagay jan.  :-)
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« Reply #858 on: October 11, 2007, 01:05:30 PM »
Ang kahoy very unique yan sa isat isa...

There are no two guitars in the world that sound exactly alike...

Kahit pa parehong model, production year kahit parehong tao pa mismo gumawa d parin yan magkaka pareho...

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« Reply #859 on: October 11, 2007, 01:14:22 PM »
Ang kahoy very unique yan sa isat isa...

There are no two guitars in the world that sound exactly alike...

Kahit pa parehong model, production year kahit parehong tao pa mismo gumawa d parin yan magkaka pareho...

Mali ka dyan, bro...  Pare-parehas lang yan...

Pare-parehas lang yang pangit tumunog sa kamay ng taong di naman marunong tumugtog!!! 

 :-D :-D :-D

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« Reply #860 on: October 11, 2007, 01:15:32 PM »
Mali ka dyan, bro...  Pare-parehas lang yan...

Pare-parehas lang yang pangit tumunog sa kamay ng taong di naman marunong tumugtog!!! 

 :-D :-D :-D

Hahahaha tama ka jan oo nga naman hehehe!!!  :-D

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« Reply #861 on: October 11, 2007, 01:27:30 PM »
For me, a custom guitar is good if and only if the FINISHED PRODUCT satisfies you.  Iba-iba naman ang level of satisfaction ng tao, kaya doon pa lang can of worms na ang topic na ito.

Totoo ito.  It's the same reason why many are afraid of buying guitars sight unseen.  Even a custom guitar w/ handpicked everyting is not an assurance.  But there's one exception and it applies to the barong analogy before... If you know and trust your builder/sastre very well, malinaw ang communication lines and level ang expectations, you can more or less predict with accuracy kung ano lalabas sa gtr/barong mo.

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But as for "player response", I believe that this is less-subjective.  IMO, everyone wants a playable guitar.  Everyone wants a guitar that responds better to fingers.  Everyone wants notes to bloom. 

True. Di madalas mapag-usapan ito cuz it's hard to describe in a few words, unlike timbre/eq/tone. Kaya parang under-estimated or overlooked tuloy ang aspect na ito.  Sometimes I use the term "intuitive" to describe this quality:  the guitar does what you expect it to do given a specific 'instruction' from your hands.

But I wonder, sinong builders ba ang magaling, or claim to be good, in terms of playability or player-responsiveness.  Is Baker one of them?  Sa acoustics madaling ma-determine e. But acoustics are much easier to evaluate in terms of tone and playability -- it's one whole system in a box.  An electric guitar is nothing without an amp and cable -- both of which have a huge impact on the final tone. 

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« Reply #862 on: October 11, 2007, 01:29:41 PM »
Mali ka dyan, bro...  Pare-parehas lang yan...

Pare-parehas lang yang pangit tumunog sa kamay ng taong di naman marunong tumugtog!!! 

 :-D :-D :-D
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« Reply #863 on: October 11, 2007, 01:31:23 PM »
Mali ka dyan, bro...  Pare-parehas lang yan...

Pare-parehas lang yang pangit tumunog sa kamay ng taong di naman marunong tumugtog!!! 

 :-D :-D :-D

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« Reply #864 on: October 11, 2007, 01:44:21 PM »
I also wanted to add , one thing you pay for with high end luthiers is their experience. We can all say we know what good tone is, but these guys have been consultants in tone for alot of successful artists. Some of them actually own 250k USD REAL 59 Les Pauls. It might be a stretch to you guys to imagine this ... but there is real value in the ears of the more experienced.

When you pay for a high end guitar, you are also paying for the luthiers ear and experience. Wehn you pay for a high end gibson, you are paying the shareholders  :evil:.

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« Reply #865 on: October 11, 2007, 01:51:37 PM »
"Dalaga na anak mo, MAMENG!"(Romy Diaz tone) :lol:

Sabay sisigaw yung babae "huwag po kuya"  :-D

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« Reply #866 on: October 11, 2007, 05:03:27 PM »

When you pay for a high end guitar, you are also paying for the luthiers ear and experience. Wehn you pay for a high end gibson, you are paying the shareholders  :evil:.
correct ka jan hahaha

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« Reply #867 on: October 13, 2007, 12:33:04 AM »
may bagong topic na naman???? eto hulaan natin pag natapos...kay anton to..eto muna post ko then yng mga bago pa...marami to pero kay anton na muna hehehe :-D :-D :-D

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pag eto natapos tanungin natin si sir anton....waaaaaa  :-D gudluck skin. :-)
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« Reply #868 on: October 13, 2007, 01:01:27 PM »
Mali ka dyan, bro...  Pare-parehas lang yan...

Pare-parehas lang yang pangit tumunog sa kamay ng taong di naman marunong tumugtog!!! 

 :-D :-D :-D

Hurt naman ako sa inyo :D.

My guitars seem to be taunting me these days. Like "pot*** ano ba bos, puro power chords lang ba alam mo tugtugin sa min ??"

This is so pathetic. Even my guitars are rejecting me...
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« Reply #869 on: October 13, 2007, 02:41:11 PM »
Here's what's new at the Elegee Custom Shop...  :lol:











Jon at work hehehe...
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« Reply #870 on: October 13, 2007, 04:28:03 PM »
Here's what's new at the Elegee Custom Shop...  :lol:











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« Reply #871 on: October 13, 2007, 09:17:13 PM »
hahaha pinost mo na rin ha????? hehehehe  :-)
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« Reply #872 on: October 14, 2007, 03:55:29 AM »
ganda talaga ng camera mo bluenote
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« Reply #873 on: October 14, 2007, 06:30:59 AM »
ang ganda ng kuha mo ng mga pics John Boy!!

good photographic skills at work!!  :-D

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« Reply #874 on: October 14, 2007, 06:59:47 AM »
Here's what's new at the Elegee Custom Shop...  :lol:











Jon at work hehehe...

wahh!! ganda ng pagkakuha ah!

ganda rn ng tele!