Question: how much money do you need to build a jamming studio..

[LouieAzcona]

What would be better (and hopefully cheaper) materials to use, Sir?

kung soundproof... hollow blocks at cement. cheaper yon. pero hindi guarantee... pero malaking bawas na sa ingay. may mga tamang methods sa DIY soundproof na thread. pero you were asking for the cheaper.. kaya ayan... ang samin kasi ginawa ko, concrete hollow block ung wall tapos dalawa yung door.

tapos... para hindi masiyado magreflect yung sound sa mga walls... gawan niyo nalang ng panels na gawa sa foam. wag niyo punuin yun buong wall. basta NEVER gumamit ng egg cartons. walang silbi yon.

[LouieAzcona]

renovation = 10k
2 mic stands = 1200 (raon tol. 600 lang ang isa)
2 electric fans = di ko na maalala pero 600 yata ang isa so 1200
cabinet shelf = no offense man, pero kelangan ba talaga niyan sa rehearsal studio. kung ako kasi matatakot ako magiwan ng equipments habang nagppractice ang mga bandang hindi ko kilala eh. plus. kain pa ng space yan. recording ayos yan. pero hindi ko gagawin sa rehearsal. except kung may receiving area ka.
cleaning materials = walis at dustpan 300 sa SM
curtains = 450/ meter. pero depende eh. punta ka tutuban, sobrang dami don
lighting fixtures = 300 ang isang piece, 25 pesos ang 10-watt na light bulb

 

[Tasty]

kung soundproof... hollow blocks at cement. cheaper yon. pero hindi guarantee... pero malaking bawas na sa ingay. may mga tamang methods sa DIY soundproof na thread. pero you were asking for the cheaper.. kaya ayan... ang samin kasi ginawa ko, concrete hollow block ung wall tapos dalawa yung door.

tapos... para hindi masiyado magreflect yung sound sa mga walls... gawan niyo nalang ng panels na gawa sa foam. wag niyo punuin yun buong wall. basta NEVER gumamit ng egg cartons. walang silbi yon.

Thanks for the tips. I'll check the soundproofing thread as well.

[mikep]

Never use foam as an acoustical material.  Very dangerous.  Very flammable.  A big expensive pro studio went to flames years ago because of this material.  Several people died in a club in Boston (?) sometime ago when they lighted their fireworks effect and hit the foam acoustical treatment of the club.  Use rock wool or glass fiber instead.  They are fire retardant and effective sound absorbers.  Dapat lang, balutan ng textile.  Search the threads for sources of these acoustic materials.

FWIW

[LouieAzcona]

Never use foam as an acoustical material.  Very dangerous.  Very flammable.  A big expensive pro studio went to flames years ago because of this material.  Several people died in a club in Boston (?) sometime ago when they lighted their fireworks effect and hit the foam acoustical treatment of the club.  Use rock wool or glass fiber instead.  They are fire retardant and effective sound absorbers.  Dapat lang, balutan ng textile.  Search the threads for sources of these acoustic materials.

FWIW

yun po ba ung sa pasig din? kinabahan ako kasi akala ko tracks na yung nasusunog...

sir mike, nadalaw ko na po kasi tracks, sa pantry po, may dark green na panels... stuffed na panels... ano po ba tawag doon sa mga fabrics na laman ng panels na yun? hindi siya foam eh...

[siore]

OT lang po..  I understand we're all concerned about the amount required to put up the jamming studio.  But how about the actual monthly operating expenses?  Wouldn't you all agree that if one rents a commercial space, he'd be barely making a profit?

Look at this monthly operating expenses VS projected revenue:

Lease                                12000
Electricity                             3000
Water                                 1000
                                        16000

Rental   150/hr x 120hrs =    18000

And I'm not even putting into consideration the times when equipment breaks down, or days when business is slow.  What do you think?

[Fretduster]

  siore where did you get the accumulated of number hours of rental of 120?as far as i know u can pretty much get more than that in a month of operation.it would be at least twice as much as your computation i guess or else people wouldnt be on this business anymore since according to you its like a burden for those who leases their space for a rehearsal studio.what more if you have 2 or more rooms to feed you more cashflows.i would say you'll definitely earn a decent amount of profit if you happen to choose an accesible/visible location to attract and be seen by your prospective clients.

[siore]

@Fretduster

Sure?  I got that from 6hrs a day x 20days in a month.  I don't have a studio yet, so i really wouldn't know.  But there's this location I'm considering directly in front of a university.  Just across the street.  So you think you could get 240hrs (double my projection) per month consistently?  And still keep the electric bill under 3000??

Actually, I like the idea of putting it up.  It's just that the monthly lease turns me off.

[Fretduster]

 so your business' target market are the students who study from a university nearby.why not keep open on saturdays?extend the number of hours of your daily operation.add up some promos that will boost your shops popularity to your prospective clientel.amaze them with your service and comfort while inside your studio.make some sideline..benta ka ng yosi,strings, and drinks that will definitely help in the long run.be creative and use your imagination how to get that extra juice out of your investment.but if afterall you still find it non profitable then decide wisely if you need to fold up or not.its always good giving it a try especially if its your passion.but put into mind that during summer or sembreak it'll be the slowest time of the year for your desired business with regards of its location.so keep a heads up on that.why not look for a better and less expensive to lease location and a wider target market for you studio?

[Fretduster]

 well if im gonna put up a rehearsal studio it'll be at least 2 units.id rather spend a lil over for what im paying for a one unit place that could possibly double up your earnings for doing so.and will be up for at least 12 hours a day.i know there were times you'll get some lazy days but there'll be those crazy days as well where most of the time the problem with one unit studios severely takes(clients standing by..idle rakistas waiting outside that might end up losing the interest of jamming for that day for waiting too long)and is a waste of oppurtunity.ill make sure i got a fridge to store up some mineral water available for the thirsty rakistas too ,sell cigars if you noticed that there's a potential of profit with it.but i would say it requires great attention and a proper way of handling your time and system management inter your studio.

  honestly i wouldnt be too worried about the monthly rent if i could get good things going on with the studio.and besides its the cost of having a business especially if we dont own any property that costed the building owner millions of pesos to put up.considering its a commercial place and near a university maybe its not perfectly suited(jam studio) to that kind of area or maybe im wrong.but school supply shop is most suited with that given location.just my 2 cents.

[in_the_tent]

keep it coming.

[siore]

keep it coming.

+1

Who else can validate this?  At least 240hrs most months, with under 3k electric bill?  Hmmmm...

[LouieAzcona]

OT lang po..  I understand we're all concerned about the amount required to put up the jamming studio.  But how about the actual monthly operating expenses?  Wouldn't you all agree that if one rents a commercial space, he'd be barely making a profit?

agree...

pwede sana kung magtataas ka ng singil... 200 pesos... problem is,,, madami nang murang rehearsal studio sa paligid... chances are,,, humanap sila ng iba kahit mas malayo pa kasi mahal na ang 200 ngayon...

sinwerte lang ako at pumayag mama ko na gawing rehearsal studio ung sari sari store namin na 1970s pa tinayo. haha! sinira ko ang LEGACY!

sa tingin ko... kikita parin kahit papano... iniisip ko ung mga rehearsal studio sa munoz. nakedmind.. 4 years ago nagppractice kami dun, hanggang ngayon buhay pa ung studio. chka ung mga rehearsal studo sa morayta, buhay parin. kahit hindi magaganda mga gamit doon, antataas ng singil... dahil nga sa rent sa space yun...

[skunkyfunk]

Dude I have a question, is there such a thing as "where the pro's rehearse" because the equipment is much better, and the place is convenient?

I have plans of opening Skunk Jr., a rehearsal studio in Bgy Kapitolyo.  There is a studio nearby that charges 250/hour.  I can invest on MUCH BETTER equipment than that of the other such as

- a Mapex V- series kit with Sabian AA Metal-X cymbals, and Attack 2-ply clear heads
- Hughes and Kettner Attax 100 Tour guitar amp
- Fender Concert Tube amp or Musicman RD112 amp
- an Ashdown MAG 300W bass combo
- a Korg X5D keyboard with stand
- Acoustic Research powered speakers
- Audix handheld mics or Samson mics
- a Mackie Tapco Mixer

additional stuff for rent:
- PRS SE guitar
- Epiphone Elitist Les Paul
- Fender Standard Jazz Bass (MIM) or a Warwick Rockbass Streamer

(I cannot disclose but definitely I'm getting these from trusted sources... druggies )


Everything shall be soundproofed properly so midnight jams are possible.  Refreshments like C2, 3-in-1 coffee and soda will be for sale with unlimited water from the dispenser.  Cable TV for the bantay and the band waiting. 

Magkano ang babayaran niyo dito per hour?  As in, babayaran na hindi pilit (dahil puno yung ibang studio kaya dito kayo napadpad) and at the same time babalik-balikan niyo?

Kasi ang target ko sana P200/hour.  May public high school din dito na malapit (mga 5-minute walk away)   Ang upa ay around 10,000/month. Kikita kaya?

[siore]

Dude I have a question, is there such a thing as "where the pro's rehearse" because the equipment is much better, and the place is convenient?

I have plans of opening Skunk Jr., a rehearsal studio in Bgy Kapitolyo.  There is a studio nearby that charges 250/hour.  I can invest on MUCH BETTER equipment than that of the other such as

- a Mapex V- series kit with Sabian AA Metal-X cymbals, and Attack 2-ply clear heads
- Hughes and Kettner Attax 100 Tour guitar amp
- Fender Concert Tube amp or Musicman RD112 amp
- an Ashdown MAG 300W bass combo
- a Korg X5D keyboard with stand
- Acoustic Research powered speakers
- Audix handheld mics or Samson mics
- a Mackie Tapco Mixer

additional stuff for rent:
- PRS SE guitar
- Epiphone Elitist Les Paul
- Fender Standard Jazz Bass (MIM) or a Warwick Rockbass Streamer

(I cannot disclose but definitely I'm getting these from trusted sources... druggies )


Everything shall be soundproofed properly so midnight jams are possible.  Refreshments like C2, 3-in-1 coffee and soda will be for sale with unlimited water from the dispenser.  Cable TV for the bantay and the band waiting. 

Magkano ang babayaran niyo dito per hour?  As in, babayaran na hindi pilit (dahil puno yung ibang studio kaya dito kayo napadpad) and at the same time babalik-balikan niyo?

Kasi ang target ko sana P200/hour.  May public high school din dito na malapit (mga 5-minute walk away)   Ang upa ay around 10,000/month. Kikita kaya?

Tell you what sir, pinag-iisipan ko rin yang pricing.  I had a place in front of a school (college students, lots of budding talented bands), and I decided against putting up my rehearsal studio.

These days parang talo na yung 150 per hour, considering you have to pay rent (check my earlier post here).  But at the same time, if you charge 200 an hour, I don't think I'll practice at your place (same sentiments with my bandmates).  That 200/hr is a luxury for us, like, "hey we have extra cash, dun naman tayo sa studio na may tube amps!"...

Well, it's an opinion.  Maybe we're just cheapos willing to practice (tiis) at a crappy place for 100-150 an hour.   

[skunkyfunk]

Oo nga no, mukhang 150 na ang "ceiling" ng karamihan ng mga nagjajam.  Which explains why most budget studios have behringers.   

BTW, eh kung celebs and can-afford folks naman ang magjajam, ok din kaya yung 180-200/hour?  As in yun ang target market?

[jefisipbata]

Oo nga no, mukhang 150 na ang "ceiling" ng karamihan ng mga nagjajam.  Which explains why most budget studios have behringers.   

BTW, eh kung celebs and can-afford folks naman ang magjajam, ok din kaya yung 180-200/hour?  As in yun ang target market?

crush the cherry studio charges 200/hr. maganda yung studio itself(yung place, maluwag, soundproof,maganda acoustics), equipment used are marshall half-stacks, tama drums, sm58 mics, the works. may waiting area, may mabibiling refreshments. and base sa hirap mag book ng rehearsal time dun, i think their business is doing well so siguro hindi na ganon kataas ang 200/hr na rate. and judging sa proposed equipment na gagamitin mo, baka ikaw pa lugi. clientele nila is a mixed of students, variety bands and yuppies (yun yung nakita namin habang naghihintay kame). and kung sa kapitolyo lang yan, count me in as one of your future customer.

[LouieAzcona]

Oo nga no, mukhang 150 na ang "ceiling" ng karamihan ng mga nagjajam.  Which explains why most budget studios have behringers.   

BTW, eh kung celebs and can-afford folks naman ang magjajam, ok din kaya yung 180-200/hour?  As in yun ang target market?

malamang nga yan ang mga maging market mo, ang tanong, wala pa kaya silang private na lugar kung saan sila pwede magrehearse. diba sabi mo nga. "can afford" sila.

Kung mayaman ako, id rather pay for the comfort of not needing to go out para lang makagamit ng magagandang amps. bibili nalang ako ng sarili kong setup at ilalagay ko sa bahay. iguess, ganon din ang ginagawa  ng mga "can afford." eh isang koche lang naman ang halaga ng isang disentend rehearsal studio eh. kayang kaya nila yon.

[bhenard]

malamang nga yan ang mga maging market mo, ang tanong, wala pa kaya silang private na lugar kung saan sila pwede magrehearse. diba sabi mo nga. "can afford" sila.

Kung mayaman ako, id rather pay for the comfort of not needing to go out para lang makagamit ng magagandang amps. bibili nalang ako ng sarili kong setup at ilalagay ko sa bahay. iguess, ganon din ang ginagawa  ng mga "can afford." eh isang koche lang naman ang halaga ng isang disentend rehearsal studio eh. kayang kaya nila yon.

may punto ka nga dyan sir louie

[kureiori]

pwede po ako makisali dito??
hehe
may budget po ako n 150k i nid your help kung tama ang mga bibilhin ko at wat pa po mga kulang

eto po cia


BASIC 112 (BASS AMPLIFIERS & ENCLOSURES)     
BASS AMP 50W @ 8ohms, 60W @ 4ohms


TRANSTUBE ENVOY 110 (GUITAR AMPLIFIERS & ENCLOSURES)   
GUITAR AMP 40W @ 8ohms


YAMAHA STAGEPAS 300 PORTABLE P.A. SYSTEM Price:


6190S-WR/BK (Olympic Drum Sets)     


LE-10 MI     P950 x5  =  P4,750
LEADER ELITE 10-FOOT CABLE for Guitar


Aircn    


soundproof/ wiring/      


mics       


Guitar and bass       



nid you help po if wat kulang at wat mali sa set up ko

[jamming_papu]

pwede po ako makisali dito??
hehe
may budget po ako n 150k i nid your help kung tama ang mga bibilhin ko at wat pa po mga kulang

eto po cia

BASIC 112 (BASS AMPLIFIERS & ENCLOSURES)     
BASS AMP 50W @ 8ohms, 60W @ 4ohms

TRANSTUBE ENVOY 110 (GUITAR AMPLIFIERS & ENCLOSURES)   
GUITAR AMP 40W @ 8ohms

YAMAHA STAGEPAS 300 PORTABLE P.A. SYSTEM Price:

6190S-WR/BK (Olympic Drum Sets)     

LE-10 MI     P950 x5  =  P4,750
LEADER ELITE 10-FOOT CABLE for Guitar

Aircn    

soundproof/ wiring/      

mics       

Guitar and bass       

nid you help po if wat kulang at wat mali sa set up ko

ok na 'to. mayron na 'to ng lahat ng basics ng isang rehearsal/jamming studio.
kaya lang ...
1.) kung may banda na more than 1 guitar amp yung kailangan o ginagamit nila, mag-kakaproblem ka kasi isa lang yung guitar amp mo. pwede i-recta na lang sa stagepass pero this only applies sa acoustic saka sa may effects na gitara na.

2.) di ko lang alam kung kaya na ng 40-50 watts na amp na sinabi mo above kung kaya nyang sabayan yung lakas ng drum set. may chance kasi na matabunan ng tunog ng drums kung 40-50 watts lang yung amp mo. or mapupwersa yung amp  na todo lagi yung volume at gain para makasabay sa drums which is not advisable na gawin sa amp. pero pwede na ito kung i-mmic or i line-in mo sa stage pass.

saka mic stands pa pala. 

[kureiori]

ok na 'to. mayron na 'to ng lahat ng basics ng isang rehearsal/jamming studio.
kaya lang ...
1.) kung may banda na more than 1 guitar amp yung kailangan o ginagamit nila, mag-kakaproblem ka kasi isa lang yung guitar amp mo. pwede i-recta na lang sa stagepass pero this only applies sa acoustic saka sa may effects na gitara na.

2.) di ko lang alam kung kaya na ng 40-50 watts na amp na sinabi mo above kung kaya nyang sabayan yung lakas ng drum set. may chance kasi na matabunan ng tunog ng drums kung 40-50 watts lang yung amp mo. or mapupwersa yung amp  na todo lagi yung volume at gain para makasabay sa drums which is not advisable na gawin sa amp. pero pwede na ito kung i-mmic or i line-in mo sa stage pass.

saka mic stands pa pala. 

kaw pala yan hehe

yahp 2 amps sa guitar

anu po suggest mo na watts???

ok lang ba yung stagepass??

[jamming_papu]

yup. i suggest na may 2 guitar amp ka para sure. mas ok kung magkaiba yung brand para may variation naman.

depende rin sa amp. ang standard kasi talaga, sabi na rin ng mga kakilala kong may rehearsal studio e 100 watts. pero may mga 30-50 watts naman na kahit na nasa 12oclock yung setting ng volume e kaya na. wala pa akong nakitang rehearsal studio na mas mahina pa sa 50 watts yung mga amps. usually 50 and above.

[knightburn]

Just in case, I have a big amount of cash to spend on amplifiers... do you think it would be ok to buy tube amplifiers? 'di kaya masira agad 'to ng mga rockers natin sa Pinas? Stack sana ang gusto kong bilhin...

Any suggestions for tube or solid state amps that will cut in the mix and of course good value for the money? Most of the amps will be coming from the U.S.

[in_the_tent]

I'm really thankful for the provision of God sa akin.. God has been so gracious to me na makakapagbukas na ako ng studio ko sa Roosevelt Ave sa Friday. (shameless plug) So far, maliban sa mga existing na gamit ko na pinundar ko isa isa without a clue na magkakastudio ako, at sa mga huhulugan kong konting bagay, at sa support ng mga naniniwala sa vision ko (i didn't solicit, no loans except for the 1 year to pay a/c at konting equipments).. 6 thousand plus pa lang ang lumalabas na pera sa akin.. Wala naman kasi akong maraming pera. I just saw the blessings of God falling into the right place and at the right time. Uncommon favors from God that I experienced this past month. i just wanted to share para mangencourage. God is really good.