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Title: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: slave_unit on August 26, 2005, 09:32:01 AM
Nahanap ko sa WWW 'tong video tungkol sa heel and toe technique:

http://evansdrumheads.com/EVAMultimedia.aspx?VideoID=2650

Kelangan yata ng Quicktime para mapanood 'to.
Title: Heel and Toe
Post by: cs_mapper on August 27, 2005, 07:26:04 PM
badtrip mga streaming vids na yan pag naka-56 k modem ka lang.
oo parang quicktime or macromedia flash ata codec nyan.
Title: HEEL - TOE
Post by: manson on August 03, 2006, 06:32:06 PM
ANYONE HERE USE HEEL - TOE??
Title: HEEL - TOE
Post by: TaMBoL on August 03, 2006, 08:28:23 PM
dami ko problema ragarding sa paa....mas maganda pag combined... heel para sa downbeat... toe para sa upbeat.. ayos din

mas may chance na makuha ung pinakamabilis na mga stroke...
Title: HEEL - TOE
Post by: Eni on August 03, 2006, 09:31:11 PM
i use it a lot.
Title: HEEL - TOE
Post by: manson on August 03, 2006, 10:13:54 PM
ok. i can doubles now much faster using heel - toe. what do u guys recommend for developing speed and accuracy?? thnx...
Title: HEEL - TOE
Post by: Eni on August 03, 2006, 10:41:42 PM
Quote from: manson
ok. i can doubles now much faster using heel - toe. what do u guys recommend for developing speed and accuracy?? thnx...


before u develop ur speed. u must 1st develop control of ur feet.
practice at slow tempos. when ur comftable,increase the tempo and so on and speed comes into play.

i dunt know what ur saying about accuracy,cguro un ung time.
use metronome.
Title: HEEL - TOE
Post by: manson on August 03, 2006, 11:55:38 PM
cool. thanks for the advice. another question i was just wondering could you apply heel - toe with slow songs? i tried but it felt kinda weird...
Title: HEEL - TOE
Post by: autoexec on August 04, 2006, 12:28:46 AM
pano po ba gawin ng tama yung heel toe? dapat ba maganda yung pedal mo? hindi ba gagana yun sa stock ng fernando? hehe tnx
Title: Re: HEEL - TOE
Post by: pinoymusika on August 04, 2006, 10:53:17 AM
Quote from: manson
ANYONE HERE USE HEEL - TOE??


Er, how is that the same/different from "heel up" or "heel down" on the pedal?
Title: HEEL - TOE
Post by: inigo on August 04, 2006, 11:17:41 AM
Heel-toe's practically a heel-up type of movement. It's focusing weight on either the heel or toe, using the ankle as leverage for more efficient movement. It's uh....

Grabe, ang hirap pala i-verbalize (hahaha).  Buti na lang may YouTube:


Meron din sa Tiger Bill: http://www.drummagazine.com/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1096&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
Title: HEEL - TOE
Post by: autoexec on August 05, 2006, 02:00:30 AM
nakita ko na yan kaso di ko talaga magawa sa stock ng fernando.
Hmmm. Siguro dapat branded talaga yung pedal. Thanks inigo for the infos
Title: HEEL - TOE
Post by: inigo on August 05, 2006, 06:39:08 PM
I think as long as kasya yung buong foot mo sa pedalboard, kaya ang heel-toe, regardless of the pedal's brand.  

I think that most pro drummers who play heel-up use their toes as main point where weight goes down on, and they use the leg and ankle movement in the heel-toe videos above for more efficient movement. You can see this in Steve Gadd's Up Close video, among others. :)
Title: HEEL - TOE
Post by: bam0120 on August 05, 2006, 07:50:09 PM
Quote from: autoexec
nakita ko na yan kaso di ko talaga magawa sa stock ng fernando.
Hmmm. Siguro dapat branded talaga yung pedal. Thanks inigo for the infos


mas madali to gawin sa mas mahaba na pedal board.
kung maikli.. parang mahirap eh.. lalo na kung malake paa mo.
hehe
Title: HEEL - TOE
Post by: autoexec on August 06, 2006, 04:44:36 AM
Quote from: inigo
I think as long as kasya yung buong foot mo sa pedalboard, kaya ang heel-toe, regardless of the pedal's brand.


Ganun ba? Kasi pag kinikick ko ng heel ko yung pedal hindi naman pumapalo sa head yung beater eh.. Hehe bat kaya ganun? :lol:
Title: HEEL - TOE
Post by: pmack on August 06, 2006, 10:33:36 AM
sarap gamitin ng technique na yan pag sinasabayan ko sa drums yung mga hip-hop songs.
hehehehe
Title: HEEL - TOE
Post by: legnacilyz on August 06, 2006, 11:02:46 AM
Long Footboard!!! WAAAAA! T_T ano kayang pedal ang mei mhabang gnun? kaya pla nde ko mgawa! damn... ahuhuhuhu.. pero do think mas effective ang technique ni Jojo Mayer? Lufet, parang dobol peds! ambilis.. i want to develop those! HOw?

cheers!!
Title: HEEL - TOE
Post by: drummerboy827 on August 06, 2006, 01:27:22 PM
use both para effective
Title: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: manson on August 11, 2006, 11:21:27 PM
hello fellow drum bums... i just have a quick question. How do you guys play doubles on the bass drum. u guys use heel-toe or just normal heel up/ heel down strokes? i find that when i use heel-toe, i cant do it slow it has to be fast.. hope u guys can help me out... thnx!!
Title: doubles on bass...
Post by: suspendead on August 12, 2006, 12:12:19 AM
Bro im using heel up, mahirap kasing gawin ang heel-toe technic pagmaikli ang foot board. to be fast, practice lang katapat nyan. Si Robert Dela Cruz nagsabi nyan at kita mo naman ang nagagawa nya, hope that helped...
Title: doubles on bass...
Post by: Eni on August 12, 2006, 11:34:28 AM
kc develop the control first bago ka mag speed up.
Title: doubles on bass...
Post by: inigo on August 12, 2006, 01:01:53 PM
Quote from: Eni
kc develop the control first bago ka mag speed up.

+1,000,000
Title: doubles on bass...
Post by: jun_BALARAW on August 12, 2006, 02:46:08 PM
USE METRONOME!!!!!
Title: doubles on bass...
Post by: Eni on August 12, 2006, 02:51:30 PM
Quote from: jun_BALARAW
USE METRONOME!!!!!


123^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Title: doubles on bass...
Post by: jun_BALARAW on August 12, 2006, 03:05:41 PM
kung gusto mo talaga ma build ang control and speed mo i suggest you use a metronome.
Title: doubles on bass...
Post by: Eni on August 12, 2006, 03:06:28 PM
Quote from: jun_BALARAW
kung gusto mo talaga ma build ang control and speed mo i suggest you use a metronome.

456^^^^^^^^^^^^
Title: doubles on bass...
Post by: Miggleness on August 12, 2006, 08:19:33 PM
palitan mo na yung pic ng bata jun.

nakakata-cute e
Title: doubles on bass...
Post by: jun_BALARAW on August 13, 2006, 03:28:30 PM
Quote from: Miggleness
palitan mo na yung pic ng bata jun.

nakakata-cute e

OT:
hehehe nakakata cute ba?
oks lang yan pogi naman yung avatar ko. robert akizuki of mask rider black hahaha.
Title: doubles on bass...
Post by: drumster on August 13, 2006, 03:49:28 PM
I also do the slide/heel-toe technique when doing doubles on a single kick pedal.  It's not perfect, but it works for me most of the time.  Practice practice & more practice lang talaga...  8)
Title: doubles on bass...
Post by: pyong_2 on August 17, 2006, 06:20:03 AM
heheehe bro alm u b weird ung nging technique ko nw coz im doing heel-toe s kaliwa ko & slide sa kanan ko, ang gulo no kaya nggwa ko ko double strokes s twin pedz pro inixplore ko pdn kng ano mas mgnda hell-toe o slide pg two strokes n o paradiddle, nsanay kc ako slide noong d pko ng twin pedz


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Title: doubles on bass...
Post by: pmack on August 17, 2006, 02:17:12 PM
Quote from: pyong_2
heheehe bro alm u b weird ung nging technique ko nw coz im doing heel-toe s kaliwa ko & slide sa kanan ko, ang gulo no kaya nggwa ko ko double strokes s twin pedz pro inixplore ko pdn kng ano mas mgnda hell-toe o slide pg two strokes n o paradiddle, nsanay kc ako slide noong d pko ng twin pedz



sir, no offense ha pero tol nahilo ako sa tinayp mo. buoin mo naman yung mga words para mas madaling basahin. wala namang limit yug characters eh.

pero sa pagkakaintindi ko, mukha namang ok ung technic mo. i mean, magkaiba ng style yung mga paa mo. pag nakaka-keep ka pa rin ng time and constant yung pressure, tol saludo ako sayo.
Title: Heel-toe double kick strokes
Post by: skunkyfunk on August 30, 2006, 09:56:48 PM
Hey there.  I was wondering if you do heel-toe strokes when doing those blast beats.  And if ever, what pedals do you use?  Do you recommend Axis Longboards?  Wala kasi dito sa 'pinas eh.
Title: Heel-toe double kick strokes
Post by: autoexec on August 31, 2006, 12:31:24 AM
Sabi sakin ni kuya JP si robert ng skychurch nag hheal-toe eh. Elims gamit mya na belt drive (color red yung cam na ginagamit nya.)

All this info came from kuya JP. Nakausap ko kasi siya nung nag punta ako sa perfect pitch.  :D
Title: Heel-toe double kick strokes
Post by: Bammbamm on August 31, 2006, 09:07:10 PM
I DO!  heel-toe ako pang flam at ruff sa bass (single ped)
tsaka yung tugtutuPAtutugtugtutuPatutugtug na groove.Parang pinatatalbog ko lang yung beater sa head ng bass drum.
PS-2002(?) Elim twin peds ang gamit ko....
...Red cam pala at belt drive ang setup ni Robert, huh?!.......makabyahe nga ng tomlee sa sunday :idea:
Title: Heel-toe double kick strokes
Post by: autoexec on September 01, 2006, 12:28:52 AM
Ang ginagawa kong style yung kay jeff porcaro. Yung iniislide yung paa. Ok naman kaso minsan pumapalya ko. Hehe. Practice pa din. Tingin nyo mas ok heel-toe kesa dun ano? Di ko kasi magawa heel-toe sa pedal kong stock sa fernando set eh.  :cry:
Title: Heel-toe double kick strokes
Post by: pmack on September 01, 2006, 09:45:17 AM
Quote from: autoexec
Sabi sakin ni kuya JP si robert ng skychurch nag hheal-toe eh. Elims gamit mya na belt drive (color red yung cam na ginagamit nya.)  :D


let's not forget, he mentioned last EB na gibraltar beaters ang gamit niya. kasi gusto raw niya medyo mabigat.
Title: Re: Heel-toe double kick strokes
Post by: toybitz on September 01, 2006, 04:34:58 PM
Quote from: skunkyfunk
Hey there.  I was wondering if you do heel-toe strokes when doing those blast beats.  And if ever, what pedals do you use?  Do you recommend Axis Longboards?  Wala kasi dito sa 'pinas eh.


I believe the Axis may have a different feel to the chain and belt driven peds.  But it will do.  It's pretty fast.  The feel that may throw you off at first is that it has great playability.
Title: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: dictatone on October 16, 2006, 08:39:42 AM
questions:
 
#1. Are you leaving the beater on or off the drum skin?
#2. What technique are you using? sliding/heelup or down/etc?
#3. Which of these technique is versatile meaning madaling i handle, accurate if you need to those triplet, 32nd note going, easy to incorporate dynamics with? salamat po!


it would be better din to show a video, pwede post sa you tube. so that all of us will see the motion of the foot! tnx Godbless
Title: bass drum technique question// mga senor tulong po hehehe
Post by: manson on October 16, 2006, 07:20:34 PM
try watching steve smith, drum set technique. That will answer ur questions. :D
Title: bass drum technique question// mga senor tulong po hehehe
Post by: fredzs on October 16, 2006, 08:48:37 PM
I've seen Thomas Lang's Creative Control and he explains his foot technique quite well.

If your after the dynamics on your feet. Try playing or switching between Heel up and Heel down. A good Exercise is playing 16th notes singles with one feet playing heel down and one playing heel up. Then switch every 2 bars or something. It will give you a good sense of dynamics and coordination. :)

But if your after speed.. Like Death Metal speed. I suggest practicing with your ankles. It goes like this, Raise your leg. The whole leg floating. Then just "tap" the pedal. using your ankles. Thats the technique most death metal drummers use. George Kollias, Flo Mounier included. Takes a while to get used to but once you get it. You'll be doing 16th Notes Singles at 240BPM while watching TV and not having a bit of Smirk or "asim look" on your face.  :lol:
Title: bass drum technique question// mga senor tulong po hehehe
Post by: g0d5_g1ft on October 16, 2006, 09:42:38 PM
Quote from: fredzs
I've seen Thomas Lang's Creative Control and he explains his foot technique quite well.

If your after the dynamics on your feet. Try playing or switching between Heel up and Heel down. A good Exercise is playing 16th notes singles with one feet playing heel down and one playing heel up. Then switch every 2 bars or something. It will give you a good sense of dynamics and coordination. :)

But if your after speed.. Like Death Metal speed. I suggest practicing with your ankles. It goes like this, Raise your leg. The whole leg floating. Then just "tap" the pedal. using your ankles. Thats the technique most death metal drummers use. George Kollias, Flo Mounier included. Takes a while to get used to but once you get it. You'll be doing 16th Notes Singles at 240BPM while watching TV and not having a bit of Smirk or "asim look" on your face.  :lol:


hmmmm gotta try that one out... :D
Title: Heel-Toe Technique thread
Post by: kibohead on November 01, 2006, 02:42:34 PM
ey guys a bit curious of how you play your pedals, i'm very sure most of you are masters of these techniques...ako i use heel-toe, quite useful in my playing. hope you could share your ideas. thanks Bros and Sis
godbless
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: drummerboy827 on November 01, 2006, 02:50:21 PM
pano ung powerslide?
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: intake on November 01, 2006, 03:00:46 PM
^^yung ginagawa ni dave weckl sa back to basics...parang ganun diba?  :-)

more on heel-toe ako...ewan ko ba at kung bakit hindi ko magawa yung sliding thing  :cry:
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: Lil' drummer on November 01, 2006, 03:10:06 PM
mas prefer ko yung heel-toe pattern mas nadadalian ako sa concept na yun kesa sa power slide...



Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: pyong_2 on November 01, 2006, 03:16:02 PM
slide ang akin pero kapag nag dodouble stroke ako sa twin pedal ko yung left ko ay heel-toe and ung right ko slide parin inaaral ko padin na magawa ko yung parehas heel-toe & parehas slide, yung fastest drummer in foot categories ay heel-toe ang gamit but karamihan sa sikat na drummer na kilala ko ay slide ang technique so iexplore natin kung ano saan tayo komportable o nadadalian o ano ang kapakipakinabang sa trabaho & sa iba pa hehehe hope na nakatulong ako GDBLZsaludo sating mga tamboleros
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: Agent_So on November 01, 2006, 03:19:23 PM
i use sliding technic na naka tip toe.. its easy to play doubles on single ped pag ganun..
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: fredzs on November 01, 2006, 03:51:19 PM
Slide technique for me.. pero i use more ankles when going fast. i find it easier. :)
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: Agent_So on November 01, 2006, 09:09:34 PM
Quote from: hyper0822 on November 01, 2006, 08:55:47 PM
Quote from: Agent_So on November 01, 2006, 03:19:23 PM
i use sliding technic na naka tip toe.. its easy to play doubles on single ped pag ganun..
wow ang galing ha

uyyy nandidito nanaman stalker ko!  :-o hehehe.. yan mr. moderator ha.. nakikilala nyo na kung anu at sino siya.. better ask mr kitC and pinoymusika kung sino ito..  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: ayoice on November 01, 2006, 09:17:46 PM
agent_so, idol ka lang nyan. although nakakainis nga... i saw rin his replies sa iba mong post... hmm, mr anthony dio, what to do??? to me this dude is going overboard...
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: drumster on November 01, 2006, 09:32:19 PM
Off-topic...

Hyper0822 and Agent So, please introduce yourselves at the Pinoydrums Bio Thread sticky.

Hmm... you two will make a great couple.  We're keeping an eye on the both of you.

This goes to everybody...  Please don't waste the message spaces here if you're not going to post something related to the topic, or if you're just gonna post some senseless one-liners. 

Like what I said, I assume that everybody here is mature and civilized.  No more kiddie games here, aight??

*****


Okay, enough intermission... Back to the topic...


I'm more of a slider when it comes to my technique.  It's very helpful especially on quick doubles on the bass drum.

When I'm already playing live, I really don't think too much about the technique that I'm using.  I'm more focus on the music and on the creative aspects.  I think I do some heel-toe motions occasionally.  I'll try to check my foot technique one of these days; or better yet, have a fellow drummer observe my foot technique.  But one thing I'm sure of, I do those slides.

 8-)
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: Agent_So on November 01, 2006, 09:34:42 PM
Quote from: ayoice on November 01, 2006, 09:17:46 PM
agent_so, idol ka lang nyan. although nakakainis nga... i saw rin his replies sa iba mong post... hmm, mr anthony dio, what to do??? to me this dude is going overboard...

thanks bro. buti napansin mo rin mga post nito... actually pang 3 na tong alternick nya.. and just doing this just to annoy me... pero sorry siya hindi ako naasar.. kundi, im exposing him.. kung sino talaga siya.. anung klaseng tao siya.. so guys beware.. sayang nabura na ng ibang mods yung mga post nya sa iba nya nick..para at least malaman yung history ng taong ito....


Quote from: drumster on November 01, 2006, 09:32:19 PM
Off-topic...

Hyper0822 and Agent So, please introduce yourselves at the Pinoydrums Bio Thread sticky.

Hmm... you two will make a great couple.  We're keeping an eye on the both of you.

This goes to everybody...  Please don't waste the message spaces here if you're not going to post something related to the topic, or if you're just gonna post some senseless one-liners. 

Like what I said, I assume that everybody here is mature and civilized.  No more kiddie games here, aight??

*****


Okay, enough intermission... Back to the topic...


I'm more of a slider when it comes to my technique.  It's very helpful especially on quick doubles on the bass drum.

When I'm already playing live, I really don't think too much about the technique that I'm using.  I'm more focus on the music and on the creative aspects.  I think I do some heel-toe motions occasionally.  I'll try to check my foot technique one of these days; or better yet, have a fellow drummer observe my foot technique.  But one thing I'm sure of, I do those slides.

 8-)


ok sorry sir... ill just ignore this dude..
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: drumster on November 01, 2006, 09:58:31 PM
Off-topic...

Apology accepted, Agent_So.  Yeah, that's the best thing to do...  Ignore.


I want to share this quote to all of you..... 

If somebody is pulling you down, it only means one thing...  You're above them.

Think about it. :wink:
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: marko21 on November 01, 2006, 11:01:10 PM
meron ba kayong video kung pano yang power slide na yan?

 :-D
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: intake on November 01, 2006, 11:21:11 PM
watch dave weckl's "back to basics"
for the heel-toe technique..try warching Jojo mayer vids. Actually jojo calls this technique as the heel-knee, wanna know why?

Hello Mr Mayer

I recently attended one of your clinics in New Zealand and was totally blown away by your ability.I was also totally amazed with your pedal speed and was woundering if you would be able to describe to me how your foot technique works that gives you so much speed.Does your technique work on all pedal brands and what tension is best? I would be absolutly thrilled with any advice you could send me.
thanks for the inspiring clinic.

Dylan


Hi Dylan,

In regards to your questions about the "reverse stroke", Heel Toe,"push pull" or "watheverthef'#$%k" -Foot technique i would point out the following:
I like light, low mass pedals like the old flexi flyer or the old camco or gretsch floating action pedals ( all of 'em out of manufacturing) .In any case,I use very minimal spring tension on my pedal. The spring is real loose, so the beater almost falls back to me after impact (as opposed to snap back at me). Personally,I preferre longer footboards (tama iron cobra, Sonor phonic, the new Pearl pedal's good too), but you can do the technique on any pedal if executed the right way. I also HATE toe stops and i remove'em if neccessary. They reduce the aera of my foot's action.I need every inch of my footboard.
The basic idea is to generate the first "down"- stroke launched from your heel up position, generated from your knee, not your toes (important!).Followed by a 2nd " up"- stroke, generated by the calf. So your leg goes :
up-down, up-down,(bam-bam, bam-bam..).

It LOOKS's like a heel toe action but really it is kne (heel) -toe. That's the secret !

Experience the best way for you to push yourself. If you get cramps or pains, You obviously push yourself too hard or you did'nt observe the mechanics of your technique carefull enough.Therefore you have to "compensate" for the lack of agility, balance or training in a particular part of your body action, wich will result in "overemployed" muscular action hence cramps. I pay lot's of attention to the way i feel when i play. Dont' squeeze. If you "squeeze" when you practise, you will "squeeze" when you perform. Be patient let it grow naturally...experiment,observe yourself, use your immagination, relax, relax, RELAX, be patient! It took me a long time to cultivate and master this technique, and as im trying to improve it's still a work in progress to this day..
Learning a new technique is like growing a rare tropical plant. It requires sensitivity and all the above more than just hours of mindless shedding...
To conclude : wathever you do with your feet, allways be aware of were your balance and center is. Try to stay balanced and relaxed, it's important to every aspect of your playing and it starts with the way you sit and your pedal work. It's easy to loose center when getting into that kinda' right foot stuff!

Good luck,
Jojo Mayer

www.jojomayer.com (http://www.jojomayer.com)
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: Agent_So on November 02, 2006, 12:51:07 AM
Quote from: marko21 on November 01, 2006, 11:01:10 PM
meron ba kayong video kung pano yang power slide na yan?

 :-D


bro eto watch mo sa youtubehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjcyOAsvBeQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjcyOAsvBeQ) nandito yung power slide.. i hope this helps..
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: autoexec on November 02, 2006, 12:56:53 AM
Quote from: drumster on November 01, 2006, 09:58:31 PM

I want to share this quote to all of you..... 

If somebody is pulling you down, it only means one thing...  You're above them.

Think about it. :wink:

Hehehe, thats right!  :evil:
------------------------------

Sakin dati nung hindi pa ko naka elims, since hindi ko magawang mag heel-toe sa pedal ko dati, slide talaga ako, pero nung nagka eliminator na 'ko, na realize ko mas ok pala mag heel-toe kesa slide kasi yung speed na nagagawa ng pag heel-toe ko hindi kaya tapatan ng speed pag slide. It depends on what pedal Im using.  :-D
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: ayoice on November 02, 2006, 08:59:11 AM
power slide... if yo have elims or any pedal with a "non-slip" feature... like the elims have those rubber stops... its better to have those removed for better sliding... and if you wanna see a wizard sliding, go see mike alba do his solos... he uses the power slide at high speeds :-D although i really don't check if im sliding or what when i do doubles... but i did notice my foot goes a lot more "heel-up" during doubles... i hope im making sense here... hahaha!
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: intake on November 02, 2006, 10:20:44 AM
heel toe na talaga ginagawa ko dahil heel down player talaga ako (may sense din ba?  :lol:)
hindi naman pwede mag slide pag heel down diba? napapansin ko sa mga tugtug namin sa school, ginagawa ko na yung heel toe technique..siguro dulot na rin ng stage fright oh kung ano  :lol:
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: hyper0822 on November 02, 2006, 10:22:21 AM
Quote from: Agent_So on November 01, 2006, 09:34:42 PM
Quote from: ayoice on November 01, 2006, 09:17:46 PM
agent_so, idol ka lang nyan. although nakakainis nga... i saw rin his replies sa iba mong post... hmm, mr anthony dio, what to do??? to me this dude is going overboard...

thanks bro. buti napansin mo rin mga post nito... actually pang 3 na tong alternick nya.. and just doing this just to annoy me... pero sorry siya hindi ako naasar.. kundi, im exposing him.. kung sino talaga siya.. anung klaseng tao siya.. so guys beware.. sayang nabura na ng ibang mods yung mga post nya sa iba nya nick..para at least malaman yung history ng taong ito....


Quote from: drumster on November 01, 2006, 09:32:19 PM
Off-topic...

Hyper0822 and Agent So, please introduce yourselves at the Pinoydrums Bio Thread sticky.

Hmm... you two will make a great couple.  We're keeping an eye on the both of you.

This goes to everybody...  Please don't waste the message spaces here if you're not going to post something related to the topic, or if you're just gonna post some senseless one-liners. 

Like what I said, I assume that everybody here is mature and civilized.  No more kiddie games here, aight??

*****


Okay, enough intermission... Back to the topic...


I'm more of a slider when it comes to my technique.  It's very helpful especially on quick doubles on the bass drum.

When I'm already playing live, I really don't think too much about the technique that I'm using.  I'm more focus on the music and on the creative aspects.  I think I do some heel-toe motions occasionally.  I'll try to check my foot technique one of these days; or better yet, have a fellow drummer observe my foot technique.  But one thing I'm sure of, I do those slides.

 8-)


ok sorry sir... ill just ignore this dude..

yan pikon ka kasi
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: Gep on November 02, 2006, 10:30:05 AM
Quote from: Agent_So on November 01, 2006, 03:19:23 PM
i use sliding technic na naka tip toe.. its easy to play doubles on single ped pag ganun..

Ditto. Plus constant release hehehe.
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: BiliBidboy on November 02, 2006, 10:40:22 AM
question? ung pivot style ba same as sliding? i do sliding..mej mahirap nga lng kung puro grooves ang pedal..i usually prefer ped from ludwig and tama...madulas..pag di nmn i put a piece of bond paper sa peds..that does the trick..or play without shoes..socks lng.

dos sentimos! :lol:
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: ortigas on November 02, 2006, 10:51:32 AM
Sliding or pivoting works best for me on kick double strokes.
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: drumster on November 02, 2006, 02:38:10 PM
Quote from: hyper0822 on November 02, 2006, 10:22:21 AM
Quote from: Agent_So on November 01, 2006, 09:34:42 PM
Quote from: ayoice on November 01, 2006, 09:17:46 PM
agent_so, idol ka lang nyan. although nakakainis nga... i saw rin his replies sa iba mong post... hmm, mr anthony dio, what to do??? to me this dude is going overboard...

thanks bro. buti napansin mo rin mga post nito... actually pang 3 na tong alternick nya.. and just doing this just to annoy me... pero sorry siya hindi ako naasar.. kundi, im exposing him.. kung sino talaga siya.. anung klaseng tao siya.. so guys beware.. sayang nabura na ng ibang mods yung mga post nya sa iba nya nick..para at least malaman yung history ng taong ito....


Quote from: drumster on November 01, 2006, 09:32:19 PM
Off-topic...

Hyper0822 and Agent So, please introduce yourselves at the Pinoydrums Bio Thread sticky.

Hmm... you two will make a great couple.  We're keeping an eye on the both of you.

This goes to everybody...  Please don't waste the message spaces here if you're not going to post something related to the topic, or if you're just gonna post some senseless one-liners. 

Like what I said, I assume that everybody here is mature and civilized.  No more kiddie games here, aight??


 8-)


ok sorry sir... ill just ignore this dude..

yan pikon ka kasi


I'm giving you a warning, Hyper0822.
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: hyper0822 on November 02, 2006, 02:44:20 PM
nakakalito yan
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: kibohead on November 02, 2006, 06:37:14 PM
thanks sa mga replies peeps...sana madagdagan pa at least we'll be more aware of other techniques when it comes to bass drum work. Actually marami pa iyan.
kaya lang may mga disadvantages yang mga techniques when it comes on playing the appropriate genre.

some famous drummers who use powerslide:

steve smith, dave weckl, akira jimbo, simon phillips, tommy igoe and so on.

on the other hand, some heel-toe drummers:

dennis chambers, jojo mayer, zoro, bernard purdie, jeff porcaro d. rodey and many more.

ok naman lahat ng techniques, kaya better to practice all of them...hehehe mahirap nga lang.

godbless bros and sis!


Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: manson on November 02, 2006, 08:32:10 PM
I tried developing my heel-toe technique but I find it hard to practice constant heel-toe notes with slow speeds, it seems easier to play them fast. Am I the only one?

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Quote from: Gep on November 02, 2006, 10:30:05 AM
Quote from: Agent_So on November 01, 2006, 03:19:23 PM
i use sliding technic na naka tip toe.. its easy to play doubles on single ped pag ganun..

Ditto. Plus constant release hehehe.

I also tried learning from Steve Smith's DVD, "constant release" I need more practice still though
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: intake on November 02, 2006, 08:38:53 PM
btw..heel toe rin ba yung ginagawa ni Chris Adler?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muCAvvUgkNo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muCAvvUgkNo)
Title: how do you do 4 consecutive 16th notes on a bass drum?
Post by: omnicloud7 on November 02, 2006, 10:05:06 PM
helo po sa lahat! may band po kasi akong sinalihan tapos gusto nila tugtugin yung
"sugar, we're going down" nung Fall Out Boy na band.
nung pinakinggan ko, ang ginagawa nung drummer is gumagawa siya ng 4 na consecutive hits sa bass drum. sa alam ko hindi naman naka-double peds yung FOB. i'm only using a gibraltar singlechain singlepedal eh, tapos yun yung tutugtugin namin sa isang party. help po kasi talagang nahihirapan akong gawin itong pattern, may maisusuggest ba kayo na mga techniques? hehe. thanks in advance! noob lang ako pag dating sa drums eh, especially sa bass drum!  :-D
Title: Re: how do you do 4 consecutive 16th notes on a bass drum?
Post by: omnicloud7 on November 02, 2006, 10:09:41 PM
hahaha, sa sori nakalimutan ko ito ilagay :)

para mas madaling maintindihan yung pattern na sinasabi ko, ganito pala siya:

dug-dug-dug-dug-pak, pak-dug-dug-dug-dug-pak.  :-D

i tried yung heel-toe technique eh, pero ang nangyari lang is

dudug-dudug-pak, pak-dudug-dudug-pak.

hehehe, para sakin ang awkward gamitin nung heel-toe dun sa song.
Title: Re: how do you do 4 consecutive 16th notes on a bass drum?
Post by: IncX on November 02, 2006, 11:05:58 PM

uhmmm... im not a drummer, but i have a drum set here at home (i never practice with it though) ... i have an MP3 of that song... just to help you: ang count ng bass drum sa main verse is one-ee, and a two-ee... or tu-tug -(hi hat)- tu-tug ... hindi sya tug-tug-tug-tug na 16 notes.

post lang ako kasi alang nag rereply... pero hintayin mo talaga yung totoong drummer, hehehe.
Title: Re: how do you do 4 consecutive 16th notes on a bass drum?
Post by: pmack on November 02, 2006, 11:18:10 PM
hindi nga siya naka double pedals.
i suggest wag (muna) heel-toe ang gamitin mo kasi medyo matatagalan ma-master yen (pero praktisin mo rin LAGI).
suggestion ko na gawin mo is try mo heel up (wag naman todo heel up, slightly lang) lahat ng bass strokes. mas makokontrol mo yung timing ng bass drum hits.
and as always, practice, practice, practice...
kaya mo yan...
Title: Re: how do you do 4 consecutive 16th notes on a bass drum?
Post by: waybine on November 03, 2006, 12:46:32 AM
practice slowly, use a metronome
Title: Re: how do you do 4 consecutive 16th notes on a bass drum?
Post by: bangbus on November 03, 2006, 03:56:45 AM
i picked out these youtube videos of FOB sugar we're goin down where you get to see a lot of the drummer:



i hope by gettin a 'visual' of the drummer at it, you'll be able to emulate him more. ako rin kasi i learn faster by just watchin. pmack was right, you dont need dpedals for this, heel up ka lang.

tu tutug tupapak, tu tutug tupapak  <----thats the best i can do in describin it to you, sige listen to the kick and snare lang muna ng intro before the verse... yung mga "tutu-tug tu" for bass (4 strokes), yung "papak" for double snare strokes...wag mo muna i-drums, sing/beatbox the drum pattern to yourself, sabay kayo ng song...game!...tu tutug tupapak, tu tutug tupapak....if you can sing it, you can play it!...next use a drumpad or airdrums mo habang nagbi-beatbox ka with the song...with feelings ha! pwera biro, concert material dapat! be sure to lock the door ha, baka may biglang pumasok!

 :mrgreen:
Title: Re: how do you do 4 consecutive 16th notes on a bass drum?
Post by: jun_BALARAW on November 03, 2006, 09:53:25 AM
dayain mo... bass floor tom combo!!! yan minsan ginagawa ko. heheh
Title: Re: how do you do 4 consecutive 16th notes on a bass drum?
Post by: 420 on November 03, 2006, 10:00:19 AM
never heard the song but what i've pictured out on the patterns they are suggesting is to flam the 2nd bass note-- form what bangbus said tu tutug(do a flam on this part[slight heel up]) tupapak, tu tutug tupapak.. i hope it may help, i think.. practice lng din lagi makukuha yan
Title: Re: how do you do 4 consecutive 16th notes on a bass drum?
Post by: Gep on November 03, 2006, 12:11:58 PM
Napakinggan ko uli kagabi yung kanta (sorry I'm more into Panic! at the Disco hehehe).

Sa may bandang refrain ba binabanggit mo? Hindi naman siya ganun kabilis. Practice lang.  :wink:

Gawin mo heel up. Ang ginagawa ko, may pressure na yung toes ko dun sa board kaya nakadikit na yung beater sa head. Yung ball ng foot ang magiging weight na tutulak pababa. Basta parang lever ang dating, ang fulcrum mo e yung toes mo at ang force e galing sa ball ng feet mo mo. Wow sobrang scientific ito haha. Pero basta, magiging mabilis at kontrolado ang paa mo sa ganon.

Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: kibohead on November 03, 2006, 05:13:42 PM
adler....slide yun man pero he uses his last not with his heel.  :-D
galing noh?
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: palolo_worm on November 03, 2006, 05:41:11 PM
ako naman mostly slide. kasi heel-up ako lagi, except sa mga time keeping on swing, etc.  :-D at dun na rin ako nasanay e, mga doubles sa single ped using the sliding motion.

hindi ko alam kung heel-toe rin un isa ko pang ginagawa, its like the first stroke bababa ang buong feet (flat footed) sabay taas ng toes after the stroke (with the heel on the heel plate na). tapos next stroke bababa ung nakataas na toes sabay taas ng heel. tapos bababa ulit ung buong feet like the first stroke.
i got it from a forum, nalimutan ko na. haha. ages ago pa un. pero parang it follows the controlled double stroke on the hands, where in the first motion is the wrist, then the fingers. parang buong foot, then ankle lang.  :-)
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: kibohead on November 03, 2006, 05:45:52 PM
yes, that is heel-toe, grabe man ang dami palang malulupit talaga dito, hope we could all meet up and help each others concerns on playing. Sana sa QC. bago mag pasko!!!
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: drumachine on November 03, 2006, 07:20:17 PM
tips nmn para mapabilis heel toe! la kc kong pambili twin peds eh.
Title: Re: how do you do 4 consecutive 16th notes on a bass drum?
Post by: omnicloud7 on November 03, 2006, 09:00:07 PM
wow, thanks sa mga replies! =D

actually matagal ko ng plinaplay yung song, i can do most parts except nga dun sa apat na sunod sunod na bass. tama ka gep! dun nga sa refrain part!  :-D

as of now, pag-ginagawa ko siya, feel ko parang may sumisikip sa muscles ko at ndi ko macontrol yung bass leg ko. kaya instead na dug-dug-dug-dug pak, ang nagagawa ko ay pangit na version! parang duduuududug pak. hahaha.  :-D

thanks guys! keep the advices coming! =)
Title: Re: how do you do 4 consecutive 16th notes on a bass drum?
Post by: omnicloud7 on November 03, 2006, 09:05:51 PM
Quote from: bangbus on November 03, 2006, 03:56:45 AM
i picked out these youtube videos of FOB sugar we're goin down where you get to see a lot of the drummer:



i hope by gettin a 'visual' of the drummer at it, you'll be able to emulate him more. ako rin kasi i learn faster by just watchin. pmack was right, you dont need dpedals for this, heel up ka lang.

tu tutug tupapak, tu tutug tupapak  <----thats the best i can do in describin it to you, sige listen to the kick and snare lang muna ng intro before the verse... yung mga "tutu-tug tu" for bass (4 strokes), yung "papak" for double snare strokes...wag mo muna i-drums, sing/beatbox the drum pattern to yourself, sabay kayo ng song...game!...tu tutug tupapak, tu tutug tupapak....if you can sing it, you can play it!...next use a drumpad or airdrums mo habang nagbi-beatbox ka with the song...with feelings ha! pwera biro, concert material dapat! be sure to lock the door ha, baka may biglang pumasok!

 :mrgreen:

haha thanks bro bangbus! =) actually nagagawa ko naman yung intro, yung refrain nga lang talaga, to be exact, yung part na "lying in the grass, next to the mausoleum" , hehe yan yung drum part which i can't do. thanks sa advice about putting in feelings sa pagplay! oo tama kailangan ko nga nun, i saw myself play and look like a statue playing! yung limbs lang ang gumagalaw while the head+neck and everything else are still...
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: autoexec on November 04, 2006, 01:30:20 AM
Quote from: drumachine on November 03, 2006, 07:20:17 PM
tips nmn para mapabilis heel toe! la kc kong pambili twin peds eh.

hmm, I guess kung fast consecutive double lang naman ang gagawin mo heel toe ka talaga(or slide :wink:).
Pero kung ang plano mo is 16ths, you can try doing it using only one foot with heel-up. Check my sound clip here -> http://www.geocities.com/josephxv10/temp/single16ths.mp3 (http://www.geocities.com/josephxv10/temp/single16ths.mp3). Since wala akong pambili ng double peds, right foot lang ang gamit ko jan with my pedal eliminator, heel-up. Pangit ang beat ko jan man :-D but at least madinig mo yung ibig kong sabihin.
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: intake on November 04, 2006, 10:19:36 AM
Quote from: kibohead on November 03, 2006, 05:13:42 PM
adler....slide yun man pero he uses his last not with his heel.  :-D
galing noh?

kakaiba eh no?  :-D
pero parang nakakapaod ata yung ganun diba?
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: ayoice on November 04, 2006, 10:30:26 AM
^^^ walang nkkpagod kapag sanay na :-D
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: kibohead on November 04, 2006, 11:54:02 AM
i'm no pro nor an expert of these techniques, but i'm sure that enough practice would answer all your concerns. i'd prefer doing accents rather than straight 16ths mas groovy kasi. heheh 8-).
Totoo yun ayoice pag sanay na talaga di na masyado mahirap, but still sa akin may hirap parin. :-)
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: ayoice on November 04, 2006, 11:56:48 AM
oh yeah definitely may hirap parin. we can blame that mysterious curse. kasi sometimes you just can't do stuff diba... pro sometimes naman you're shredding like a madman... that stupid curse...
Title: Re: how do you do 4 consecutive 16th notes on a bass drum?
Post by: kibohead on November 04, 2006, 12:00:16 PM
if your foot is laid near your cam mahirap talaga lagyan ng intervals kapag heel-toe, but if you try placing half of your foot on the board and half on the heel plate, mas ma-emphasize mo yung gusto mong intervals, kaya lang its more of legs and toe technique. parang ganun.
heheh :-D
godbless!
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: kibohead on November 04, 2006, 12:10:27 PM
dati may barkada rin akong drummer...nasa states na, hehe first time niya try ung heel -up, so ng nakuha na niya ung technique, excited siya gawin on stage...nang sila, para daw nakalimutan niya ulit gawin :? hahaha ang sama ma noon na-out of balance pa sa throne!!! :evil: :-D hahaha ang kulit.  :lol:
Title: Re: how do you do 4 consecutive 16th notes on a bass drum?
Post by: xalanx on November 04, 2006, 04:01:05 PM
i watched the video of FOB di naman ganun kabilis kaya mo yan!.....try mo slow tempo muna or use a metronome it helps a lot!!....paractice lang foot exercise and if nagawa mo na try mo makinig sa mga ibang drummers like (dontai)virgil donati, thomas lang lahit sila lang muna magagaling kasi sa foot works yang mga yan mga halimaw!!! and then pag-aralan mo pag nakuha mo na ang technique sisiw na lang yan mga FOB or other emo songs. ok naman ang emo may bands din ako na mga nagustuhan like (taking back sunday,the used,thursday,coheed and cambria etc.)kaya mo yan!!.. feel mo yung song :mrgreen:   
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: intake on November 04, 2006, 04:43:43 PM
Quote from: ayoice on November 04, 2006, 10:30:26 AM
^^^ walang nkkpagod kapag sanay na :-D

sabagay  :-D
ako nasanay nang naka heel down eh  :-)
Title: Re: how do you do 4 consecutive 16th notes on a bass drum?
Post by: intake on November 04, 2006, 04:46:44 PM
eto...try mo muna magpractice ng single stroke sa bass
start slow ha? tapos pag nasanay ka na, apply mo sa song  :-)
dug-dug-dug-dug-dug-dug-dug-dug......
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: lil.drummerboy on November 04, 2006, 06:20:37 PM
Quote from: intake on November 04, 2006, 04:43:43 PM
Quote from: ayoice on November 04, 2006, 10:30:26 AM
^^^ walang nkkpagod kapag sanay na :-D

sabagay  :-D
ako nasanay nang naka heel down eh  :-)
hindi ka ba nahihirapan pag mabilis? kasi ako pag heel down nahihirapan ko tapos sumasakit eh. kaya heel up ako. pag heel down gamit ko hirap ako at kulang sa power.  :-D sabagay depende nga yan kung saan nasanaay ang isang drummer hehe. dati heel down ako pero mas compfortable ako heel up  :-D
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: intake on November 04, 2006, 07:26:51 PM
may mga oras din naman na nahihirapan ako mag heel down
so nagsswitch ako sa heel up..pero bihira lang
sanayan na rin yun bro :lol:
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: ayoice on November 04, 2006, 07:37:54 PM
tama... sanayan lang tlga... voltaire of valley of chrome plays fast using heel down.  :-D
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: Agent_So on November 04, 2006, 07:42:13 PM
aww. sakit sa muscle nyang heel down.. pero siguro sanayan nga lang talaga... pero diba in terms of balance, mahirap heel down? mas may balance ka sa upuan kapag naka heel up ka..
Title: Re: how do you do 4 consecutive 16th notes on a bass drum?
Post by: jasperjugan on November 04, 2006, 11:03:18 PM
haha sinasanay ko nga sarili ko sa 8-16-16, 16-16-8 at 16-16-16-16 right now, nakakalito lang pag sabay-sabay na
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: kibohead on November 05, 2006, 10:03:04 AM
ewan ko bro, pero parang mas stable ka nga pag heel-down kasi both feet are laid flat on ground, making you much stable. correct me if i'm wrong, pero abdominals or core muscles play a vital role in balancing. yun rin ang isang reason bakit most of us don't fall from thrones.
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: intake on November 05, 2006, 03:05:56 PM
based on my own experience. mas stable ako pag heel down compared sa heel up
tama yung explanation ni kuya kibohead  :-)
eto oh...heel down talaga eh
di ko kaya masyado ang heel up  :lol:
never mind the last part (00:40)  :cry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHReYVCbVNs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHReYVCbVNs)
Title: Re: Which do you prefer Heel-Toe or Power Slide?
Post by: kibohead on November 05, 2006, 07:15:33 PM
ano pa man technique ang gamit mo, the important thing is that you develop it at it's fullest and not afraid of making room for adjustments and developments. A good knowledge of it and making no reasons for failure. :-)

Title: Re: how do you do 4 consecutive 16th notes on a bass drum?
Post by: omnicloud7 on November 05, 2006, 11:35:04 PM
hey guys, i just want to give my thanks to all of you. i took in all your advices, and ayan tuloy, nagagawa ko na siya! woohoo! konting linis na lang at kailangan at maplaplay ko na yung song. hehe, thanks again!

Godbless tayong lahat!  :-D
Title: heel toe method.. Effective ba?
Post by: amber_rsm on November 16, 2006, 11:25:07 PM
Mga master ano masasabi nyo sa heel toe method, effective ba talaga?? :?
Title: Re: heel toe method.. Effective ba?
Post by: dictatone on November 16, 2006, 11:41:45 PM
dude i think all methods are effective. pro every individual is unique kaya iba iba parin ang ma-aacquire natin na technique. ang impt is tunog na maiproproduce ng bass drum mo..
Title: Re: heel toe method.. Effective ba?
Post by: kert on November 17, 2006, 03:22:43 PM
in my own opinion effective naman un nga lang kelangan po tlaga ipraktis kc mahirap ung consecutive na double stroke at matagal  :-D
Title: Re: heel toe method.. Effective ba?
Post by: jcbska on November 17, 2006, 05:31:36 PM
its effective but you need a long footboard.. its hard to execute it in a standard pedal..
Title: Re: heel toe method.. Effective ba?
Post by: Dheniz on November 17, 2006, 06:31:05 PM
Quote from: jcbska on November 17, 2006, 05:31:36 PM
its effective but you need a long footboard.. its hard to execute it in a standard pedal..

yes! sir jcbska is right,kailangan mo ng longboards para madaling gawin like axis longboards kaso sobrang mahal nun at walang nagbebenta nun dito sa pinas, pero pag normal pedal lang gamit mo praktis ka na lang lagi kasi ang pagkakaalam ko sa heel toe method is yung right motion or pag execute mo sa pedal kc kahit anong pedal pa yan magagawa mo bstat tama yung process ng pag execute mo,cheers!  :-D
Title: Re: heel toe method.. Effective ba?
Post by: jcbska on November 17, 2006, 06:33:45 PM
and its very hard to master, it takes a lot of practice and time.. hehe kya hnggng ngyun dko pa din ma master.. pero nakukuha ko n sya.. hehe..
Title: Re: heel toe method.. Effective ba?
Post by: Dheniz on November 17, 2006, 06:41:45 PM
Quote from: jcbska on November 17, 2006, 06:33:45 PM
and its very hard to master, it takes a lot of practice and time.. hehe kya hnggng ngyun dko pa din ma master.. pero nakukuha ko n sya.. hehe..

sir parehas tayo,pero sakin sablay pa sa left foot,practice practice lang para ma master. :-D
Title: Re: heel toe method.. Effective ba?
Post by: pmack on November 17, 2006, 06:46:55 PM
grabe mga pinapraktis niyo mga brothers (and sisters kung merong sis sa topic na ito). ayos yan. nakaka-inspire.
Title: Re: heel toe method.. Effective ba?
Post by: jcbska on November 17, 2006, 06:55:10 PM
kaya mo din yan kuya pmack.. practice lng ng practice.. hehehe
d ko kya ung heal toe sa double peds.. single peds lng para mas msaya.. parang
jojo mayer..
Title: Re: heel toe method.. Effective ba?
Post by: kert on November 17, 2006, 07:27:53 PM
parehas pala tayo d ko pa rin master heel toe pero sabi ni tim waterason kya daw kahit mahaba ung paa mo dinemonstrate nya nagasuot sya ng mahabang boots nagagawa p rin nya sabagay master n nya un kya praktis lang ng praktis  :lol:
Title: Re: heel toe method.. Effective ba?
Post by: jcbska on November 17, 2006, 07:46:17 PM
hehe... tama.. add nyo ako sa ym: jcbska  salamat!
Title: Re: heel toe method.. Effective ba?
Post by: jun_BALARAW on November 18, 2006, 12:02:24 AM
Quote from: amber_rsm on November 16, 2006, 11:25:07 PM
Mga master ano masasabi nyo sa heel toe method, effective ba talaga?? :?

para sakin lang to ha...
sa tingin ko depende sa tugtugan...
Title: pwd magpaturo? heel-toe atbp...
Post by: killuaxp on November 18, 2006, 01:16:22 AM
mga master... help... pwd ba kau mag post ng links dito papano ung heel toe method tsaka ung ibang methods para pa-improve ang pagsipa sa bass drum?salamat po sa inyong mga tugon...
Title: Re: heel toe method.. Effective ba?
Post by: amber_rsm on November 18, 2006, 02:01:16 AM
salamat sa comment mga master.. parang madali kapag pinapanuod ko ginagawa ni derrick pope, pero hindi ko mgawa.hehe ano po ba kaibahan ng heel toe sa slide?
Title: Re: pwd magpaturo? heel-toe atbp...
Post by: amber_rsm on November 18, 2006, 02:10:17 AM
sir try mo to sana mkakatulong yan.

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Title: Re: pwd magpaturo? heel-toe atbp...
Post by: killuaxp on November 18, 2006, 02:30:29 AM
salamat men! sana post pa kau ibang mga techniques... ty ng marami!
Title: Re: pwd magpaturo? heel-toe atbp...
Post by: kert on November 18, 2006, 01:00:56 PM
bro type mo sa tube tim waterson marami siyang drum lesson hope this help  :lol:
Title: Re: pwd magpaturo? heel-toe atbp...
Post by: kibohead on November 18, 2006, 07:38:16 PM
drummerworld.com---tapos drum clinic---then hanapin mo nalang dun yung heel-toe. Goodluck man. Godbless.
Title: Re: pwd magpaturo? heel-toe atbp...
Post by: autoexec on November 19, 2006, 03:33:57 AM
Para sakin ang heel-toe kelangan matutunan muna sa matinong pedal, tapos pag sanay ka na kahit saang pedal magagawa mo na.. ang hirap kasi pag starter ka pa lang tapos sa walang kwentang tension mo papraktisin.. Anyway iba iba naman tayo shinare ko lang..
Title: Re: pwd magpaturo? heel-toe atbp...
Post by: killuaxp on November 19, 2006, 06:06:00 AM
meron ako un pearl p-120p, ok nmn un db? :-)
Title: Re: pwd magpaturo? heel-toe atbp...
Post by: killuaxp on November 19, 2006, 06:32:27 AM
kita ko na ung video pero walang audio dito office punta ko netopia tom para mapanuod ng maayos. hehehe! mdyo may idea na ko kya tatry ko mamaya sa bhy.
Title: Re: pwd magpaturo? heel-toe atbp...
Post by: autoexec on November 19, 2006, 06:36:27 AM
Quote from: killuaxp on November 19, 2006, 06:06:00 AM
meron ako un pearl p-120p, ok nmn un db? :-)
Yeah ayos yan. Practice lang talaga bro. Kailangan matuto kang makibagay dun sa pag bounce ng beater mo sa head ng bassdrum.. kasi pag kinontra mo yun parang mabubulol yung tunog. heheh.. Tapos pag nasanay ka na kahit sa pangit na pedal magagawa mo na din. hihihih  :-D
Title: Re: pwd magpaturo? heel-toe atbp...
Post by: killuaxp on November 19, 2006, 07:44:28 AM
hihi! excyted na ako umuwi! gawin ko un. bad trip lng wala ako praktis pad... haaay improvise na naman...
Title: Re: pwd magpaturo? heel-toe atbp...
Post by: autoexec on November 19, 2006, 07:51:48 AM
try mo din pag padjak mo ng heel mo sa pedal mejo pa forward, papunta ng konti sa bassdrum yung force mo, i mean hindi dapat straight 90° yung angle.. Ewan ko ha pero ako ganun ginagawa ko mas effective... Pero pag tinignan mo yung paa mo parang straight lang yung pag apak mo, parang ikaw na lang nakakaalam nun a mejo pa paforward yung force ng heel mo. tapos tsaka mo sabayan ng toe.  :-)
Title: Re: pwd magpaturo? heel-toe atbp...
Post by: killuaxp on November 19, 2006, 07:56:52 AM
ah olryt men! ill try it. thanx tlga sa tips. mahina kasi ako sa bass eh. limited ung kicks ko
Title: Re: pwd magpaturo? heel-toe atbp...
Post by: autoexec on November 19, 2006, 07:59:31 AM
No problem man. Ako naman mahina sa mga rolling rollings at sa mga ghost note ghost notes.. heheh.. Pati sa accents din. Hahaha.
Title: Re: pwd magpaturo? heel-toe atbp...
Post by: killuaxp on November 19, 2006, 08:07:25 AM
ako din tol! mahina ako sa lahat! ngaun plang din ako nakakapraktis tlga. sabi sa akin para mag improve sa rolling aral daw rudiments single stroke, doeble, paradiddles, flams mga basic lng nun tas aun nga ung galing sau ung tip mo sa bass pedal dagdag ko na din sa aaralin ko.kht papano nag improve nmn rolling ko pero hindi mablis ah. saktong posteng rolling lng singit2X lng. di pa pwd magsolo hihi!
Title: Re: pwd magpaturo? heel-toe atbp...
Post by: autoexec on November 19, 2006, 08:20:43 AM
ayun nga eh.. Rudiments nga daw.. Marunong naman ako nung mga yun kahit papano.. ang hindi ko lang alam eh kung papano ililibot yun sa drumset. hahah marunong ako mag rudiments pag sa isang part lang ng drums. Di ko alam kung papano ko sila ililipat lipat.  :?
Title: Re: pwd magpaturo? heel-toe atbp...
Post by: killuaxp on November 19, 2006, 08:29:11 AM
wahihi! ako nag uumpisa plang sa rudiments eh. pero nitry ko lang nakakalito pa din hehehe!
Title: Re: pwd magpaturo? heel-toe atbp...
Post by: dictatone on November 20, 2006, 05:24:37 AM
dapat pagaralan ung motion ng paa. agree din ako with autoexec. sometimes kylangan ng magandang pedal to do this trick kase ibang feel ang nbibigay ng mga high end pedals w/c made it easier to execute the technique. im sure you'll be able to do it too with a regular pedals but it may take you a longer time. well its my own opinion.

tsaka for me i like the heel-toe although di ko pa tlga siya inaaral kase it releases the beater 1-2inches after it hits the bass drum w/c is impt para "bilog" para nkakahinga yung tunog. same thing w/ the hands, kpag pumapalo kyo ng toms di nyo naman binabaon ung stick diba. u drop/hit it and lets it bounce or release it. "ano kaya tunog nun noh kpag pinalo mo ung stick mo tpos nkabaon lng siya sa tom" hehehe. same thing din with our bigger tom w/c is our bass drum kaya "MISMO" sken and heel-toe. =)
Title: Re: pwd magpaturo? heel-toe atbp...
Post by: killuaxp on November 22, 2006, 03:43:50 AM
tsong napanuod ko na si derrick pope, astig! ty men! meron din pla siya ibang videos ng techniques pero concentrate muna ko sa rudiments at foot exercises yung basic para magawa yung mga flashy stuff after. hehehe! ty! :-)
Title: Re: doubles on bass...
Post by: pyong_2 on November 22, 2006, 03:11:16 PM
sir pmack im sorry kasi that time bago pa lang ako, di ko alam yung rules na no short text style heheheheh, im so sorry talaga hehehehe.......pinapractice ko pa din na both heel-toe or both slide, pra pantay, iba kasi ang tunog gaya ng 2strokes sa kamay may magkakaibang accents merong accent yung 1st note o 2nd note or pantay, mahirap pero tyagaan lang heheheh, saludo sa mga pinoy tamboleros GodBless
Title: effective exercise/drills to improve our footwork.
Post by: bone on January 25, 2007, 12:54:43 AM
hi everyone.

share naman kayo.
effective exercise/drills to improve our footwork.
sinlge ped and double peds.

thanks
Title: Re: effective exercise/drills to improve our footwork.
Post by: daemonite on January 25, 2007, 01:39:38 AM
for physical fitness, it is a great help when you do running exercises heel-up. or running up and down the stairs heel-up. basta any leg exercises ng mga athletes for the foot can be used in footwork training. hehehe. I hope i'm right kasi eto ang mga exercises ko. I run a lot and walk a lot days before a gig or practice.
Title: Re: effective exercise/drills to improve our footwork.
Post by: autoexec on January 25, 2007, 03:52:29 AM
Quote from: bone on January 25, 2007, 12:54:43 AM
hi everyone.

share naman kayo.
effective exercise/drills to improve our footwork.
sinlge ped and double peds.

thanks
Isip ka ng beat na more on bass drum. Like "tug tutupak, tutug, tutug, patutug tutupak, etc..."
Then apply mo sa drumkit. Ganon kasi ginagawa ko eh. Effective naman.
Title: Re: effective exercise/drills to improve our footwork.
Post by: jpmb on January 25, 2007, 10:33:57 AM
Quote from: daemonite on January 25, 2007, 01:39:38 AM
for physical fitness, it is a great help when you do running exercises heel-up. or running up and down the stairs heel-up. basta any leg exercises ng mga athletes for the foot can be used in footwork training. hehehe. I hope i'm right kasi eto ang mga exercises ko. I run a lot and walk a lot days before a gig or practice.


i kinda agree with that..hehehe...right now i have my own statio bike sa bahay namin for two purpose...its for my leg excercise sa drumming and para pumayat...hahaha..taking out the beer belly....... :mrgreen:
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: pmack on January 25, 2007, 12:30:24 PM
Quote from: daemonite on January 25, 2007, 01:39:38 AM
for physical fitness, it is a great help when you do running exercises heel-up. or running up and down the stairs heel-up. basta any leg exercises ng mga athletes for the foot can be used in footwork training. hehehe. I hope i'm right kasi eto ang mga exercises ko. I run a lot and walk a lot days before a gig or practice.

i agree with this one too.
if you wanna improve your footwork, improve on your feet. focus on exercises that help build the calf muscles.

and one more thing, try adjusting your seat height. taasan konti. i don't know kung ganito talaga para sa lahat pero nagkaroon ako ng strength and konting versatility sa both feet ko nung tinaasan ko seat height ko (payo ni mod drumster dio). share ko lang.
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: Gep on January 25, 2007, 12:39:46 PM
Quote from: pmack on January 25, 2007, 12:30:24 PM
one more thing, try adjusting your seat height. taasan konti. i don't know kung ganito talaga para sa lahat pero nagkaroon ako ng strength and konting versatility sa both feet ko nung tinaasan ko seat height ko (payo ni mod drumster dio). share ko lang.

Ito yung naging advise ni Steve Smith nung tumugtog siya dati sa Zildjian Day. That way, mababawasan ang effort na kakailanganin sa pag-apak ng pedal.

Sa tingin ko, ikaw rin ang makakabuo ng style mo sa pag-apak sa pedal e. Basta ang goal mo lang e consistent ang strokes at hindi hahalik sa bass head (oops! guilty! hehehe). Kahit next time na yung speed.  :-D
Title: tips on heel- toe technique
Post by: lil.drummerboy on February 18, 2007, 11:35:23 PM
can you give me some tips or exercise to improve my heel - toe technique? ung mga ginagawa ni chris adler, tim waterson, nick graham,derrick pepe at derek roddy. hirap gawin pag mabilis.. pag mabagal medyo kaya pa. 8-)
Title: Re: tips on heel- toe technique
Post by: skunkyfunk on February 18, 2007, 11:49:57 PM
Quote from: lil.drummerboy on February 18, 2007, 11:35:23 PM
can you give me some tips or exercise to improve my heel - toe technique? ung mga ginagawa ni chris adler, tim waterson, nick graham,derrick pepe at derek roddy. hirap gawin pag mabilis.. pag mabagal medyo kaya pa. 8-)

Bili ka ng Axis Longboards.  And try to compete in the next WFD... Tim Yeung rocks!
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: pyong_2 on February 19, 2007, 02:15:07 AM
nasanay na kasi ako ng slide but i exercise heel-toe technique hirap din tyagaan talaga...GodBless
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: autoexec on February 19, 2007, 04:04:08 AM
ano po ba ang pedal mo? Mahirap kasi yan simulan sa matigas na pedal..
Title: Re: tips on heel- toe technique
Post by: lil.drummerboy on February 20, 2007, 06:50:12 PM
Quote from: skunkyfunk on February 18, 2007, 11:49:57 PM
Quote from: lil.drummerboy on February 18, 2007, 11:35:23 PM
can you give me some tips or exercise to improve my heel - toe technique? ung mga ginagawa ni chris adler, tim waterson, nick graham,derrick pepe at derek roddy. hirap gawin pag mabilis.. pag mabagal medyo kaya pa. 8-)

Bili ka ng Axis Longboards.  And try to compete in the next WFD... Tim Yeung rocks!
oo yun nga ung nakita ko na gamit ni chris adler sa mga insructional bass drum technique at sa mga sound check nya. mahaba nga un pang heel toe tlga..  8-)
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: fredzs on February 20, 2007, 09:51:35 PM
The Heel-Toe Technique doesn't have anything to do with your foot being too big or the pedal board being too small. You DO NOT use the heel of your feet to make a strike.

Don't get me wrong.. I can't do the heel-toe technique. But I've seen a video in youtube of a guy.. I think his handle is Ironcobra something.. and he demonstrated that you don't actually use the heel of your foot.

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Watch Tim Waterson explain the technique. IMO, It's more of a "BALL-TOE" Technique. since you use the ball of your foot then the toe.
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: phfreq on February 20, 2007, 10:01:35 PM
Quote from: fredzs on February 20, 2007, 09:51:35 PM
The Heel-Toe Technique doesn't have anything to do with your foot being too big or the pedal board being too small. You DO NOT use the heel of your feet to make a strike.

actually, iirc, there's one video that I saw where chris adler uses his heel to make the first strike then do doubles using the toe. Something like one strike with heel slide down, then hit doubles with his toe. Yun din ang sinabi nya dun sa video -- hindi daw nya magagawa yung technique na yon sa regular peds -- kaya daw longboards ung ginagamit nya. Please correct me if I'm mistaken.
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: fredzs on February 20, 2007, 10:03:28 PM
That's True. I've seen that video and I've seen Chris Adler's foot technique. But if other drummers can do it without using the heel to make the first strike, why can't we ? :-)

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Another vid with the feet about midway on his Iron Cobra's
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: Bammbamm on February 20, 2007, 10:52:55 PM
Ei! There's no rule about techniques!
Let's always consider other factors that contribute to the efficiency of each method ie seat height, physical size of the player,pedal size and their configurations,style of music, etc!

IMHO, drummers should try to learn as many different techniques as possible. Kasi may iba't-ibang tempo ng songs na hindi applicable ang  particular technique.
Foot technique, like hand technique, will develop over time.These depend on the music that you play, and your personality. We just have to be open-minded to learn as many as we can.

... And always practice, practice, practice! :-)


Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: lil.drummerboy on February 21, 2007, 07:26:39 PM
teka lang mukhang hindi kayo sumasang ayon sa isat isa.. cguro pwede mo naman ma gawa ung heel toe kahit hindi axis long boards na pedal ang gamit. pero alam ko mas mapapadali yun. meron akong dvd ng lamb of god killadelphia. merong sound check at intructions si chris adler dun. mas ok talaga gumamit ng mahabang pedal kung mag heel-toe ka. :-)
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: compvr on February 21, 2007, 08:21:09 PM
Quote from: dictatone on October 16, 2006, 08:39:42 AM
questions:
 
#1. Are you leaving the beater on or off the drum skin?
#2. What technique are you using? sliding/heelup or down/etc?
#3. Which of these technique is versatile meaning madaling i handle, accurate if you need to those triplet, 32nd note going, easy to incorporate dynamics with? salamat po!


it would be better din to show a video, pwede post sa you tube. so that all of us will see the motion of the foot! tnx Godbless


#1. Are you leaving the beater on or off the drum skin?

follow up ko lang mga bossing yung question # 1 ,  thanks
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: peeves24 on February 21, 2007, 08:24:04 PM
ako ginagamit ko pareho (on and off) para ma emphasize mo yung short notes sa bass drum pag on the skin. open sounding naman kung off the skin.

pero balewala tong technique na to kung may butas yung front head mo.
Title: heel and toe technique
Post by: judithp_shredder on April 17, 2007, 03:48:08 PM
sino dito me alam? at nakakagawa??  :-o :?

post naman kayo mga suggestions and practice para dito.

 :evil: :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Heel-Toe Technique thread
Post by: drummerboy827 on April 20, 2007, 07:03:51 PM
diba nga sabi ni chris adler na maganda ang axis pedals sa mga heel toe user. wala kasi heel plate un. foot board lang.
Title: Re: pwd magpaturo? heel-toe atbp...
Post by: lil.drummerboy on April 22, 2007, 03:29:08 PM
Quote from: killuaxp on November 22, 2006, 03:43:50 AM
tsong napanuod ko na si derrick pope, astig! ty men! meron din pla siya ibang videos ng techniques pero concentrate muna ko sa rudiments at foot exercises yung basic para magawa yung mga flashy stuff after. hehehe! ty! :-)
onga pala galing mag turo ni derick pope kahit video lang. :-) parang ang dali lang gawin pag pinanood mo mga video nya ptai yung sa heel-toe. :-)
Title: Re: Heel-Toe Technique thread
Post by: jcbska on April 22, 2007, 07:43:40 PM
mga bro.. share ko lng.. im using heel toe technique.. pero ang masasabi ko lang dito,, mahirap talaga sya at limitado lang. ksi 1st of all u need a long footboard.. yan ang problema ko.. di ,mo sya pede gawin pag dating sa mga ordinaring pedal.. kaya un.. pero masarap pag nakuha nyo.. sakin kaya nakuha ko sya.. kasi maliit lang ang paa ko.. im using a pear p122tw powershifter pedal.. i use to practice it slowly and try to experiment para makuha nyo ung tamang bounce.. at para maging komportable ang foot nyo sa pedal.... hope that helps.. mga bro.. cheers!  :-)
Title: Re: Heel-Toe Technique thread
Post by: autoexec on April 22, 2007, 08:33:31 PM
Tsaka pag nasanay nyo na mabuti sa mahahabang footboards magagawa nyo na din sa mga ordinaryong pedal kahit may mga konting sabit..
Title: Re: Heel-Toe Technique thread
Post by: marko21 on April 22, 2007, 09:32:10 PM
haba kasi ng paa ko  :-D

pero nagagawa ko na ng onti  :-D

Title: Re: Heel-Toe Technique thread
Post by: fouljan on April 22, 2007, 10:19:13 PM
astig,,,, try ku rin,, hehehehe................ :-D
Title: Re: Heel-Toe Technique thread
Post by: MEdeA on April 23, 2007, 01:04:59 AM
pede din i apply sa paa ung moeller teqnique pag nakuha u na ung hell toe...
Title: Re: Heel-Toe Technique thread
Post by: autoexec on April 24, 2007, 12:50:14 AM
Huh? ala Pat Torpey? :-D Hmm sa kamay nga di ko kaya moeller sa foot pa kaya? Hehehe mukang mahirap to ah..
Title: Re: Heel-Toe Technique thread
Post by: peeves24 on April 24, 2007, 08:12:53 AM

tagal na nitong video na to sa pearldrummersforum.com

goes to show you dont need long boards to execute heel-toe  :-D
Title: Re: Heel-Toe Technique thread
Post by: autoexec on April 24, 2007, 12:04:06 PM
Aw, naunahan mo ko kuya peeves.. :-D
Anyway post ko na din yung na search ko..
Nagpapatunay din na hindi kailangan ng mahahabang pedal boards..
http://www.drumheads.org/richmedia/tips/heeltoevids/heeltoe1.zip (http://www.drumheads.org/richmedia/tips/heeltoevids/heeltoe1.zip)

Pero para sakin mas mahirap talaga gawin ang heel-toe pag maikli ang pedal.. :)
Title: Re: Heel-Toe Technique thread
Post by: Gep on April 24, 2007, 02:13:11 PM
Sa youtube din, may pinakita si Watterson na hindi necessary ang longboards sa pedal.

Sa shorter boards, subukan mo i-drop ang heel mo sa floor, habang may contact ang toes at ball ng paa sa gitna or bottom 1/4 ng pedal. Tapos itaas uli yung paa. May doble nang palo ang beater sa action na yun. Practice na lang ang feel para consistent at mas even ang hits.
Title: Re: Heel-Toe Technique thread
Post by: akosichok on April 24, 2007, 03:25:03 PM
may nkatry na ba sa inyo ng vruk? ang alam ko maganda pang heel-toe un

(http://www.vrukpedal.com/public_html/images/modelscustom.jpg)
Title: Pedal slides
Post by: blackhawk7a on June 03, 2007, 11:11:44 PM
guys,help naman anu ba talaga ang technique sa Pedal slide???ang hirap kasi gawin eh,panu po ung main technique,thanks po....
Title: Re: Pedal slides
Post by: peeves24 on June 04, 2007, 08:20:07 AM
Title: Re: Pedal slides
Post by: blackhawk7a on June 04, 2007, 12:20:29 PM
Quote from: peeves24 on June 04, 2007, 08:20:07 AM



Sir Peeves,maraming salamat,hehe
Title: Re: Pedal slides
Post by: boytambol on June 04, 2007, 02:35:51 PM
Quote from: peeves24 on June 04, 2007, 08:20:07 AM

Sir Peeves salamat din po....  tanong ko lang po kung kilala niyo yung drummer na un.... si joey jordison po ba un???
Title: Re: Pedal slides
Post by: peeves24 on June 04, 2007, 02:47:04 PM
nope di ko sya kilala

mahilig lang ako magyoutube  :-D
Title: Re: Pedal slides
Post by: boytambol on June 04, 2007, 02:56:01 PM
ah... ganun po ba???  uhhmmm.. sir peeves pwede po ba inform niyo po me kung kylan ung sunod na EB????  gusto ko po sana sumama ehh...  kaso 16 yrs old lang ako eh nakita ko mga pics niyo dun puro matatanda at pro na kayo...  pwede po ba sumama??????   
Title: Re: Pedal slides
Post by: peeves24 on June 04, 2007, 04:14:24 PM
abang abang ka lang sa mini eb thread at hindi naman R18 yun. lahat din kami batang isip kaya di ka dapat mag alala :-P

hmmm im not sure kung kailangan pa ng parental consent o kaya waiver para sa parents mo pero para sure hehehe magpasama ka na lang sa isang adult pagpunta dun sa gig studio para wala prob

jok jok  :-D
Title: Re: Pedal slides
Post by: prjm14 on June 04, 2007, 04:21:57 PM
haha waiver.. hehe
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: drumster on June 04, 2007, 08:55:33 PM
I just merged the Heel-Toe Technique thread with this Footwork Technique thread.  So, (almost) all the footwork discussions and stuff can be found here.

Okay, back to topic.....
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: autoexec on June 16, 2007, 12:51:23 AM
Tanong lang po, mas mabilis ba talaga pag ankles na lang ang gamit kesa sa buong leg? Oo siguro nga pero diba mejo mahina na ang sound pag ankle motion lang?
Title: Re: Pedal slides
Post by: jeva on June 16, 2007, 09:48:40 AM
Quote from: peeves24 on June 04, 2007, 08:20:07 AM

Ask ko lang sa lahat, nagagawa nyo ba ito sa Tama Iron Cobra? Sa akin kasi ang irap mag slide, I tried chanding the shoes, pero isa lng nag fit, smooth surfaced n stinelas. Unlike sa Elims, kahit rubber shoes pwede.

I hope you can share an idea kung paano...

Note: sorry kung di ko mabasa buong thread, may problem ako sa connection
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: wax_static on June 16, 2007, 10:16:05 AM
Quote from: autoexec on June 16, 2007, 12:51:23 AM
Tanong lang po, mas mabilis ba talaga pag ankles na lang ang gamit kesa sa buong leg? Oo siguro nga pero diba mejo mahina na ang sound pag ankle motion lang?

phisically mas mabilis talaga pag ankles ang ni-utilize mo.. kaya lang gaya ng sabi mo nga mas mahina... try mo heel up tapos combination leg and ankle motion.. yung first stroke leg gamitin mo then pag taas nung leg sabay "pitik" ng ankle... pero hindi consistent.. parang accented yung first stroke... hehehe

just sharing lang po... :-)
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: autoexec on June 16, 2007, 07:39:26 PM
Thanks sir! Susubukan ko yan pag nagka double pedal na ako. :)
Title: Re: Pedal slides
Post by: peeves24 on June 16, 2007, 10:14:08 PM
Quote from: jeva on June 16, 2007, 09:48:40 AM
Quote from: peeves24 on June 04, 2007, 08:20:07 AM

Ask ko lang sa lahat, nagagawa nyo ba ito sa Tama Iron Cobra? Sa akin kasi ang irap mag slide, I tried chanding the shoes, pero isa lng nag fit, smooth surfaced n stinelas. Unlike sa Elims, kahit rubber shoes pwede.

I hope you can share an idea kung paano...

Note: sorry kung di ko mabasa buong thread, may problem ako sa connection

any pedal pwede mo gawin yan kahit barefoot (yes, its possible) medyas lang pwede na pero masyado madulas para sa iba. ako basahan lang minsan kapag nahubad ko na shoes ko at natripan ko magpractice. madulas like medyas but it teaches you not to rely on brute slide force and its so nakakangalay you know but you really have to sweat like chuvaness to get the technique down
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: stilljey on June 17, 2007, 03:14:11 AM
nice you tube peeves.  :-)
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: phfreq on July 15, 2007, 04:34:08 AM
share ko lang po...

had a chance to watch john stanier dun sa battles mirrored tour nila (lupit nung concert na yon). Napansin ko, ang ginagawa nya, kapag 8th-16th notes na hindi masyado mabilis, yung ball nung toes nya nasa around three-fourths from the heel end nung nung footboard from the pero kapag 16th (and 32nd notes din siguro) na mabilis, binababa nya yung ball nung toes nya mas malapit dun sa around one fourth to three eights from the heel end of the footboard.

Mainly heel up ang playing nya -- combination ng ankles and legs. Single pedal na iron cobra ang gamit nya.

sinubukan ko sa pedals (medium tension spring), mas ok nga. Mas controlled and consistent. Hindi masyado maraming energy ang kailangan para magkaron ng consistent na sound. Medyo in-analyze ko, ok nga yung ganong technique kasi parang ang nagiging fulcrum ay yung pinaka-cam (with the beater on the other end tapos ung heel end nung footboard dun sa kabilang end). Mas konti lang ang tinatravel (up and down motion) nung ball ng toes and ng legs kapag nandun sa may dulo na (around one fourth to three eights from the heel end ng footboard) as compared dun sa kung nasa mas malapit yung toes mo sa beater end nung footboard.

he he he.. sharing lang.. hopefully makatulong :-)

Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: cymor on July 15, 2007, 10:56:25 AM
Mga sir pde ako mag tanong?

1.)anu po ba ung feeling...when ur using "Tama Iron Cobra pedals"?,may pagkakaiba po ba sila ng gibraltar?


Title: newbie in need of help..,
Post by: kuk13 on October 23, 2007, 09:13:38 PM
mga kuya! newbie drummer hir., patulong naman., nahihirapan ako sa bass drum e., di ko magawa ng mabilis na sunod2., im using single pedal., mejo hirap talaga ako., kasi pasmado paa ko., at nasanay ako ng heels down style of playing., any advice para maging smooth ung bass drum playing ko., or magbuiLd ng technique sa paa ko., salamat po in advance., =)
Title: Re: newbie in need of help..,
Post by: drumachine on October 23, 2007, 09:23:02 PM
uhmm. practice lang. syempre umpisahan mu sa mbagal. wag mu mamadaliin. pa unti unti mu bilisan. halimbawa,, practice ka for today ng 80bpm for several minutes, nxt day, 85bpm and so on..  wag ka magsasawa (although nakakasawa nga xa nung gnagawa ko) hehe. aun.. ok na ko ngaun sa speed ko. . pero xempre, the faster, the better. hehe. i hope naka2long ako *dugdugpak*
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: Paolo-I-b on October 24, 2007, 06:20:45 PM
this might help you guys..
i not practicing this though..im just using the standard whatever you call it technique

<<ang nipis pala tlga ng axis..hmmm parang marupok sya tingnan...of course hindi pero para lang..

Tim Waterson - fastest feet on earth
1407 beats per minute
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: toybitz on October 27, 2007, 11:52:10 PM
^thanks for sharing this
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: jeff_proX40 on October 28, 2007, 12:07:34 AM
I used heel toe since I started drumming. yun daw ang tama eh sabi ng nagturo sakin. hehehe well its easy. mejo complicated paguna pero when you get use to it maganda. pero mahirap gawin sa kaliwang paa. I tried pero parang ting ting yung isa kong paa hehehe malamya. It takes a lot of practice to perfect the art of heel toe. start with "dug- tak - dudutak- dug - dug" slow then gradual increase in speed. peace out!
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: Paolo-I-b on October 28, 2007, 01:15:42 PM
no prob
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: el Brutal on October 28, 2007, 04:52:28 PM
i use heel toe... tulad nung ginagawa ni chris adler...
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: drummer_boy17 on October 28, 2007, 05:23:35 PM
medyo na pe-perfect ko na sliding ko.. kaso nakakangalay minsan :)
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: el Brutal on October 28, 2007, 06:45:09 PM
uhm about sa sliding.. hindi ko un trip...kasi gusto kong foot wear pag pedals ung makapit talaga sa pedals.. kaya i think mas ok ung style ni tim waterson or kay chris adler.. just my opinion! :-D
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: glynminded on October 29, 2007, 12:29:37 AM
This is where I learned all my footwork techniques... I still use it up to now...
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: Paolo-I-b on October 29, 2007, 01:50:58 AM
Quote from: el Brutal on October 28, 2007, 04:52:28 PM
i use heel toe... tulad nung ginagawa ni chris adler...
yeah chris adler is a good drummer. good footwork too! ..and i like his attitude hehe..
anyway. OT: el brutal, music prod ka ba sa benilde?? wala lang ask ko lang..
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: el Brutal on October 29, 2007, 02:13:48 PM
Quote from: Paolo-I-b on October 29, 2007, 01:50:58 AM
yeah chris adler is a good drummer. good footwork too! ..and i like his attitude hehe..
anyway. OT: el brutal, music prod ka ba sa benilde?? wala lang ask ko lang..

yes the attitude! astig si adler.! music prod? nope.. drummer lng..haha!
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: el Brutal on October 29, 2007, 02:16:51 PM
you may also want to work out on the swivel technique bros! ok din un!
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: Paolo-I-b on October 29, 2007, 02:28:06 PM
yeah bro ok din ung swivel foot technique..sa tingin ko nga mas madali ung swivel foot kesa sa heel and toe technique..for me para lang din syang heel-up pero the only difference is nag mo move ung foot mo sideways..hehe
and kung gusto ko talaga matuto ng gantong techniques..the best talaga panooring ung mga videos ni tim waterson..how he explains kasi is ung maganda..malinaw hehe..
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: h@Lo on October 29, 2007, 03:46:05 PM

share ko lang..hindi ko sure kung may nagpost na dito neto..perfect para sa heel toe.. sonor giant step twin effect pedal
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: el Brutal on October 29, 2007, 08:12:41 PM
Quote from: h@Lo on October 29, 2007, 03:46:05 PM

share ko lang..hindi ko sure kung may nagpost na dito neto..perfect para sa heel toe.. sonor giant step twin effect pedal
wow! astig ung pedal... kakaiba ... may quad-blast pa! ayos! :evil:
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: Paolo-I-b on October 30, 2007, 02:13:42 AM
Quote from: h@Lo on October 29, 2007, 03:46:05 PM

share ko lang..hindi ko sure kung may nagpost na dito neto..perfect para sa heel toe.. sonor giant step twin effect pedal
hmm lemme guess..... a sonor giant step twin pedal?....
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: h@Lo on October 30, 2007, 09:41:37 AM
sonor giant step twin effect SINGLE pedal lang po..hindi double pedal.. single pedal po siya na dalawa beaters..pag heel strike, left beater..kapag toe naman yung right beater kaya may double pedal effect den kaso single pedal lang..worth $600 plus po single pedal tapos yung double pedal version worth $900..hehe
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: Paolo-I-b on October 31, 2007, 01:17:12 AM
Quote from: h@Lo on October 30, 2007, 09:41:37 AM
sonor giant step twin effect SINGLE pedal lang po..hindi double pedal.. single pedal po siya na dalawa beaters..pag heel strike, left beater..kapag toe naman yung right beater kaya may double pedal effect den kaso single pedal lang..worth $600 plus po single pedal tapos yung double pedal version worth $900..hehe
oops sorry. twin effect pedal then.
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: jeff_proX40 on November 03, 2007, 04:08:54 AM
I like Virgil donati. double stroke on the doubles. hehehe and also paradidle using right hand and kick. kinda cool. thats ol. peace y'all
Title: Improving Double Pedal Speed
Post by: drumnoob on November 11, 2007, 04:24:08 AM
Mga master panu po ba bumilis sa double pedals? Tips nman po.  :?
Title: Re: Dpeds...
Post by: g0d5_g1ft on November 11, 2007, 09:17:10 AM
sabi ni robert dela cruz nung last mapex drumfest: "start slow, keep the hits even, then from there build up speed and if possible play with a metronome"
Title: Re: Dpeds...
Post by: daemonite on November 11, 2007, 09:21:16 AM
count 1 to 4....
Title: Re: Dpeds...
Post by: alvin_11 on November 11, 2007, 02:39:13 PM
"Speed only comes in time and practice there's no way around it."

galing kay kuya cavs yan..  8-)
Title: Re: Dpeds...
Post by: cavsdieagram on November 11, 2007, 09:54:55 PM
Quote from: alvin_11 on November 11, 2007, 02:39:13 PM
"Speed only comes in time and practice there's no way around it."

galing kay kuya cavs yan..  8-)

hindi sa ken galing yan... :evil:

i'm learning heel toe technique...weeee
naaapply ko na sa mga songs kaso, left handed nga ko pero right handed pumalo so ang consistent pa rin tlga eh ung left foot ko...nahihirapan ako iapply sa right foot...weird...kylangan pa ng matiyagang practice para maging equal sila... :lol:
Title: Re: Dpeds...
Post by: alvin_11 on November 11, 2007, 09:58:43 PM
Quote from: cavsdieagram on November 11, 2007, 09:54:55 PM
hindi sa ken galing yan... :evil:

sayo galing, pero hindi sayo nanggaling. yan tol? oks na? hehehe..btw, kitakitz sa mapex drumfest bro. :wink:
Title: para makapag heel-toe technique
Post by: deriru on January 08, 2008, 08:55:03 PM
mga sir san po ba nakakabili ng mahabang pedal???
yung pwede ka mag heel-toe....salamat po...
Title: Re: para makapag heel-toe technique
Post by: autoexec on January 08, 2008, 09:15:15 PM
gibraltar lang ok na tsong. wag lang talaga yung mga stock pedal na karaniwang kasama sa mga kits yung maiikli talaga, pero minsan makakachamba ka pa rin magheel-toe dun pag mejo sanay ka na. Mas maganda rin na nakapaa ka lang or mejas para mas solid yung heelstroke mo. sana nakatulong. :-)
Title: Re: para makapag heel-toe technique
Post by: drumster on January 08, 2008, 11:04:48 PM
Quote from: deriru on January 08, 2008, 08:55:03 PM
mga sir san po ba nakakabili ng mahabang pedal???
yung pwede ka mag heel-toe....salamat po...

You might find this topic interesting... 

Paano po gawing long board ang pedals?
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php?topic=64330.5 .

But in my humble opinion, in order to execute the heel-toe technique correctly, I think our feet matter the most, not the pedal.  A good pedal can help, but it's still up to us to develop our own foot technique.
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: pyong_2 on January 10, 2008, 09:37:42 PM
i agree with drumster..coz still alot of drummers using normal pedal boards but still theyre all good executing heel- toe technique...... GB.
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: niNgpo on January 12, 2008, 09:18:43 PM
buti pa kayu kaya yan!! mga sir comment waa!!

ang pag-kick ko ano flat yung paa ko sa peds tas ano parang umaapak
ng gas sa kotse waa!! ganuun sa akinflat sa peds... di ako sanay sa toe at heel!!
panu yan??
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: rastah on January 15, 2008, 06:50:46 AM
guys question medyo OT ata ako pero related naman sa foot itong tanong ko pano ba i-adjust yung beater ng pedal ko para mas malapit sa bass drum kasi every time na nag papractice ako ng slide's pag nag bounce back ung beater tumatama sa paa ko at masakit sya pano ko ba ayusin yun para d naman sya masyadong naka lean back and mapalapit ko sa bass drum. ang plano ko kasi eh bawasan yun links ng chain tama ba yun? honga pla gibraltar 6611 db yung gamit kong pedals... thanks alot.! peace!
Title: which pedal set up would be more effective for a specific foot technique???
Post by: sonnaqs on January 16, 2008, 03:09:12 AM


i dont know if this question has been asked here already...
(if ever meron na sa footwork tech, just lead the way mods.. tnx)

do you guys think executing the heel-toe technique would be easier on a specific type of bass pedal cam, foot board or drive?? would it really be easier on a direct drive, long foot board, or rolling glide cam??

and/or, ofcourse there would be specific techniques of what would really suit the type of cam you're using. but which one is for which??

is sliding, swivel, constant release, heel-toe be more effective on a specific set up for you pedal??

sensya sa physics mind twist naisip ko lang bigla hehhe
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: underprog on January 23, 2008, 07:18:41 PM
ung mga hindi pa alam ung heel-toe method... ito ay nakakatulong sa accent... check nyo nalang to...

Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: mikeeboy on January 24, 2008, 10:39:30 PM
maybe another thing to consider is the footwear? i recently tried to learn double strokes using slide technique but somehow i find it easy wearing only socks but maybe sanayan din yan, what shoes do you guys wear? i see most drummers wear ung manipis na leather shoes..
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: autoexec on January 26, 2008, 12:25:51 AM
socks!   :evil:
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: dasplinter on April 25, 2008, 10:19:39 PM
i do not wear any shoes or even slippers.. socks lang o kaya barefeet.. so i can do "heel-toe" kahit maikli o "generic" na pedal ang gamit ko eh..

actually un lang naman talaga ang gamit ko :lol: .. hndi sya branded at marami na kong nakitang ganun ang itsura.. yung kasama sa package pag bumili ka ng drumset..

pwera nalang sa mga gig.. ibat-ibang pedal ang makakasalamuha mo.. hndi ko kasi dinadala yung pedal ko eh.. (nakakahiya)  :lol:

pero ok lang din kahit ganun atleast machachalenge ka kung pano mo madidiskartehang i-apply ung technique mo dun..

though sometimes, pag minamalas-malas naman.. heel-ups lang nagagawa ko..

so yun, siguro sanayan lng din yan..

meron kasing mga long-board.. na ambigat apakan kahit yung tension nya eh yung pinaka loose na..
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: rastah on April 26, 2008, 07:16:21 AM
ok lang naman siguro kahit anung klaseng pedal ang important eh makuha yung concept yung rocking motion tapos ok na yun ako kasi gamit ko 6611 db ok naman sa heel toe kaso hindi ko pa kaya ng dalawang paa  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: kriz_dabu on May 08, 2008, 06:06:34 PM
Heel-Toe ala Steve Gadd is the best!  :lol:
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: kibohead on May 08, 2008, 10:25:20 PM
basta sakin, as long as you're comfortable playing it...go!!! its just a matter of time spent on practice...walang hindi nakukuha sa pag ensayo... :-)
hayyy...sana magawa na natin lahat...hehe
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: daleee on January 23, 2010, 03:13:36 PM
up!  :-D
Title: Re: HEEL - TOE
Post by: francisnuega on January 23, 2010, 04:58:08 PM
Quote from: manson on August 03, 2006, 11:55:38 PM
cool. thanks for the advice. another question i was just wondering could you apply heel - toe with slow songs? i tried but it felt kinda weird...

pwede din kung gusto mo malakas ang kick...
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: drytone on January 24, 2010, 06:07:59 PM
mas prefer ko ang slide sa bass pedal... pra mabilis ang pedal... astig dn s coordination.. less effort.. =) pra mganda dn sa mga jazz beat...
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: cholok3 on January 25, 2010, 01:48:52 AM
siguro may nkapag sabi na ng sasabihin ko.. :-D



sa una lang nkakaadik ang heel-toe.. pro malaking tulong den yan pra sa speed.. mas nakakapagod kasi ang heel & toe technique.. panundot lang talaga ang heel-toe.. mas ok pa den ang single stroke.. well.. pra saken lng naman..




Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: archraven_012 on January 26, 2010, 01:09:19 PM
heel - toe pa rin...pero mas maganda may maganda kang bass pedal kz mas ok kapag naadjust yung sa beater...


Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: francisnuega on January 28, 2010, 05:53:21 PM
i use always use toe para mas malakas ang sipa..
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: pauldavid_7 on January 28, 2010, 08:46:48 PM
i use sliding :D
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: SAITOHAJIME on January 29, 2010, 01:14:43 AM
Tagal ko nang pinag-aaralan yan heel-toe method na yan.... ayaw talaga gumana. Problema ko malaki paa ko, pag bagsak ng heel eh di abot sa board hehehe (bwiset). Kaya sliding method ang pinag-aaralan ko, mas consistent pa ang tunog ng bass.  :-D
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: autoexec on January 29, 2010, 03:15:52 AM
Quote from: SAITOHAJIME on January 29, 2010, 01:14:43 AM
Tagal ko nang pinag-aaralan yan heel-toe method na yan.... ayaw talaga gumana. Problema ko malaki paa ko, pag bagsak ng heel eh di abot sa board hehehe (bwiset). Kaya sliding method ang pinag-aaralan ko, mas consistent pa ang tunog ng bass.  :-D
Matagal nang na-clear yang issue na yan about sa size ng paa sa heel-toe technique bro, effective ang heel-toe kahit hindi sumasayad ang heel mo sa pedal, nasa pagsisikap mo na lang, pero pag nadevelop mo, swabe. :)
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: cholok3 on January 30, 2010, 01:37:25 AM
Quote from: autoexec on January 29, 2010, 03:15:52 AM
Matagal nang na-clear yang issue na yan about sa size ng paa sa heel-toe technique bro, effective ang heel-toe kahit hindi sumasayad ang heel mo sa pedal, nasa pagsisikap mo na lang, pero pag nadevelop mo, swabe. :)


uu tama.. parang magiging toe-toe.. hehehe.. kumbaga mag babounce yung beater.. prang ganun sa aking palagay.. hehehe..
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: straightedgejep on February 01, 2010, 11:14:28 PM
na try ko na both, mas nauna ako matuto ng heel toe, (pero hindi ibig sabihin na kayang kaya ko na) medyo hindi lang ako satisfied kaya feel ko mas okey yung sliding technique kasi parang pakiramdam ko mas consistent yung tunog. . pero parang mas mahirap yung sliding, hehe
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: archraven_012 on February 05, 2010, 02:35:03 PM
heel toe talaga mas maganda gamitin for may opinion kz halos lahat yun na aapply tlga yun ang napansin ko...
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: mahikawon666 on February 05, 2010, 03:01:24 PM
swivel
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: uy12umainer on February 05, 2010, 11:39:29 PM
slide para sakin masmabilis hhehehe pero accented nga lang 
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: SAITOHAJIME on February 22, 2010, 03:32:02 AM
Quote from: cholok3 on January 30, 2010, 01:37:25 AM

uu tama.. parang magiging toe-toe.. hehehe.. kumbaga mag babounce yung beater.. prang ganun sa aking palagay.. hehehe..

Wow,,,nagagawa ko na heel-toe weeee! salamat sa video ni Jared Falk sa youtube. Importante pala yun initial
position na naka heel up position ka. At kahit  mababa ang paa mo sa foot board pwede pa rin! I was able to fairly
execute in less than 2 days since nakita ko yun video hehehe, though not up to speed pa. (Unti-unti lang, konting praktis pa). Hindi ko pa makuha yun timing na huhulihin mo yun pedal sa rebound nya para mabilis sa 2nd hit mo. :-D
Title: Re: doubles on bass...
Post by: cs_mapper on February 28, 2010, 05:39:48 AM
Quote from: jun_BALARAW on August 12, 2006, 03:05:41 PM
kung gusto mo talaga ma build ang control and speed mo i suggest you use a metronome.

korek! pero mas enjoy kung may actual music para madevelop din yung pano pasarapan yung palo hehe kemo sa paa or swa kamay!

BTT...
so foot teknik mas gusto ko tlga yung slide up gaya nila weckl or porcaro.
date heel toe as in heel muna tapos toe for fast doubles kaso namimili ng pedal at dapat
naka tsinelas or nakatapak lang ako. buti salamat sa kantang africa ng toto na develop ko yung
slide up teknik slowly yet gently tnx to that relaxing song hehe.

sila donati naman at lang mukhang more on ankle teknik pag dating sa mga fast double strokes
sa bd.
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: mahikawon666 on March 02, 2010, 09:24:00 AM
ayos sana heel toe kaso parang nakakasira ng pedal,try nio swivel,praktis lang mga men,one hit per side,bouncing teknik din,....lalo na sa mga metal drummers na nagsi single pedal blast beat ...try nio lang
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: docjigs on March 02, 2010, 03:59:39 PM
Quote from: mahikawon666 on March 02, 2010, 09:24:00 AM
ayos sana heel toe kaso parang nakakasira ng pedal,try nio swivel,praktis lang mga men,one hit per side,bouncing teknik din,....lalo na sa mga metal drummers na nagsi single pedal blast beat ...try nio lang
sige nga share mo naman,gawa ka ng video tapos post mo ha!! :-P :-P :-P
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: mahikawon666 on March 02, 2010, 09:49:34 PM
online nlang para sayo docjigs hehe ala akong cam na maganda ,kaw nga gusto kong makita magpost eh hehe :evil: :evil: :evil:
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: pauldavid_7 on April 07, 2010, 02:10:42 PM
opinion mas maganda sliding... cause pwede ka makagawa ng four beats.. 2 beat slide up another 2 slide down.. minsan hanapin tlga kung san mas comfortable
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: kibohead on April 07, 2010, 02:41:55 PM
wala naman mas magandang technique ata mga bro, kaya mas maganda malaman mo din yung iba, kasi may pros and cons talaga lahat yan.
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: mhayce08 on April 20, 2010, 01:27:23 PM
para sakin kung saan ka komportable ^_^ hehehe peace ^_^
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: shaun_kuyukot on April 21, 2010, 10:57:01 AM
fellow drummer, I was watching a Steve Smith DVD and he was explaining the constant release foot technique.

I have been practicing the HEEL-TOE technique for quite a while now, note that I have yet to get it  and apply it to my playing  :-D

Is it just me or the HEEL-TOE technique has a striking resemblance to the Constant Release technique?

The foot motion is the same, was wondering what your inputs on the statement above.

Thanks bros :-D
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: kimpoy19 on April 21, 2010, 08:52:24 PM
Until now,, hina ko talaga sa foot works..  :-(
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: hen8 on April 22, 2010, 07:33:16 AM
trip na trip ko talaga tong heel-toe technique na toh. hirap lang sa beginner na tulad ko.  :oops:
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: narz on May 07, 2010, 09:30:54 AM
astig talaga heel toe. kaso pag yung peds ang gamit ko (generic) ang bilis ko mag heel toe. pero pag ibang peds na like mga branded na peds e hirap ako,m ang tigas kc masyado ng spring nila, at di ako sanay. siguro pang generic lang talaga ako. hehehe
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: SAITOHAJIME on May 07, 2010, 10:47:54 AM
Quote from: narz on May 07, 2010, 09:30:54 AM
astig talaga heel toe. kaso pag yung peds ang gamit ko (generic) ang bilis ko mag heel toe. pero pag ibang peds na like mga branded na peds e hirap ako,m ang tigas kc masyado ng spring nila, at di ako sanay. siguro pang generic lang talaga ako. hehehe

Brad, sanayan lang yan hehehe. Nasanay ka lang cguro sa settings ng ginagamit mong generic pedal. Tapus yun branded ay hindi naka-set sa trip mong settings.
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: narz on May 07, 2010, 09:07:17 PM
Quote from: SAITOHAJIME on May 07, 2010, 10:47:54 AM
Brad, sanayan lang yan hehehe. Nasanay ka lang cguro sa settings ng ginagamit mong generic pedal. Tapus yun branded ay hindi naka-set sa trip mong settings.

ganun na nga sir., pag kc branded gamit ko ang tigas-tigas sipain ng peds. hehehe.. pang mahirap na ped lang talaga ako, hehehe
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: shaun_kuyukot on May 07, 2010, 09:26:24 PM
 :cry: My pedal broke.
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: SAITOHAJIME on May 08, 2010, 01:12:01 PM
Quote from: narz on May 07, 2010, 09:07:17 PM
ganun na nga sir., pag kc branded gamit ko ang tigas-tigas sipain ng peds. hehehe.. pang mahirap na ped lang talaga ako, hehehe
Kagandahan kasi sa mga branded pedals. Fully customize-able ang mga ito. Pwede mo sya i-tweak na parang generic pedals. Kailangan mo lang pag-aralan. Hehehe :-D
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: mambo on May 08, 2010, 01:56:30 PM
Quote from: shaun_kuyukot on May 07, 2010, 09:26:24 PM
:cry: My pedal broke.
:cry: and my footwork sucks.
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: kssael on May 08, 2010, 09:50:16 PM
Quote from: narz on May 07, 2010, 09:30:54 AM
astig talaga heel toe. kaso pag yung peds ang gamit ko (generic) ang bilis ko mag heel toe. pero pag ibang peds na like mga branded na peds e hirap ako,m ang tigas kc masyado ng spring nila, at di ako sanay. siguro pang generic lang talaga ako. hehehe
Same here tol. I have tried an Iron Cobra before and I was like "WTF, ang tigas pumalo!".
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: shaun_kuyukot on May 09, 2010, 02:12:48 PM
Quote from: kssael on May 08, 2010, 09:50:16 PM
Same here tol. I have tried an Iron Cobra before and I was like "WTF, ang tigas pumalo!".

Hahahaha! True man! Before I had an Iron cobra, the pedal I used was owned by the church. It was this raggedy ass old pedal, Has these big chains and the foot plate and foot board was held together by "Kawad" hehehe, Metal wire. Its was the best pedal I ever used, swear. Pero pag iba na ung gumagamit, sabugan talaga. Tapos the pedal had this habit of falling apart during services. Ayun. tamang tama

Now with my Cobra, I try to get the feel of that old pedal.  :-) Pero siyempre mas reliable lang ung cobra ngyon
Title: Re: PINOYDRUMS UNIFIED HELP THREAD (POST ALL GENERAL DRUM-RELATED QUESTIONS HERE!)
Post by: brownbread on May 29, 2013, 07:19:54 PM
 :x guys any tuitorial how to learn double pedal.
im really so frustrated right now, im already trying my best for almost one week, and still i dont feel that im getting better. :cry:

i already watched several youtube videos, read some article for a beginner like me.
BTW im a good drummer covering SOAD, typecast, tool songs etc. etc. 8-) by  single pedal
Title: Re: Re: PINOYDRUMS UNIFIED HELP THREAD (POST ALL GENERAL DRUM-RELATED QUESTIONS HERE!)
Post by: peeves24 on May 29, 2013, 07:55:01 PM
one week? try months and years  :-D

Title: Re: Re: PINOYDRUMS UNIFIED HELP THREAD (POST ALL GENERAL DRUM-RELATED QUESTIONS HERE!)
Post by: brownbread on May 29, 2013, 08:07:56 PM
 :oops:
hahaha luck for me
but i will not quit pedal to the metal :razz:
Title: Re: Re: PINOYDRUMS UNIFIED HELP THREAD (POST ALL GENERAL DRUM-RELATED QUESTIONS HERE!)
Post by: jake z on May 29, 2013, 09:34:06 PM
Quote from: brownbread on May 29, 2013, 07:19:54 PM

BTW im a good drummer covering SOAD, typecast, tool songs etc. etc. 8-) by  single pedal

the only song that mr dolmayan played with soad with double bass pedals was byob. the rest were single pedals.

you'll be a good drummer if you play any periphery song with a single pedal.  :eek:
Title: Re: Re: PINOYDRUMS UNIFIED HELP THREAD (POST ALL GENERAL DRUM-RELATED QUESTIONS HERE!)
Post by: brownbread on May 30, 2013, 07:45:46 PM
Considering periphery I think I'm still a beginner  :cry:
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: vhinming on July 31, 2013, 12:43:02 AM
sabi sa isang forum, kung ano ginagawa ng kamay mo na rudiments , hindi ipinagbabawal na gawin sa paa mo :)

paradiddle doubles etc.. as footwork  yeah!   :mrgreen:

practice practice!
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: cokeandjahsmoke on August 01, 2013, 04:08:46 PM
Quote from: vhinming on July 31, 2013, 12:43:02 AM
sabi sa isang forum, kung ano ginagawa ng kamay mo na rudiments , hindi ipinagbabawal na gawin sa paa mo :)

paradiddle doubles etc.. as footwork  yeah!   :mrgreen:

practice practice!


tama si sir vhinming, wala talaga easy way/secret sa pag learn ng double pedal technique.. Hardwork lng talaga yan at determination ang kelangan para sa pag practice para maabot mo yung technique with ease na hinahanap mo..

payo ko lng sa mga nag DP start talaga sa basics, wag piliting mag DP pag hindi pa maayos ang technique sa single peds.. if ok na yung isang paa, do the same sa other foot... you can play drums naman kahit di gumagamit ng DP eh.. take it slow lng, di naman overnight ang pag learn ng technique...

when it comes naman sa gear, mapa longboard or short board pedal man yun bastat tamang technique lng pwede na yun.. I'm using the heel-toe technique, but it seems to be a toe-toe, akala ko before kelangan ng longboard, nung may longboard na i found out din naman pala kelangan... yung movement lng ng paa ko yung heel-toe pero yung heel ko di naman umaapak sa pedal para gumawa ng note  :-D
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: iplaydrums4u on October 04, 2013, 12:22:02 PM
may tanong ako, nag start akong mag train gumamit ng double pedal 2 months ago pero di constant practice ngayon kaya ko pa lang 116 bpm na tuloy tuloy na quarter notes. ang problema ko, yung right foot ko always tends to swivel pag tuloy tuloy na pero nakikita ko sa ibang drummers steady lang ang feet nila. ako lang ba yun or kayo rin nung nagsisimula pa lang? salamat sa magrereply :D
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: vhinming on October 05, 2013, 10:33:33 AM
Try reconfigure your kit to lefty if you're right, vice versa, 
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: kimpoy19 on October 12, 2013, 05:31:48 PM
This is a burden for me.
 haha

sa ngayon pa lang ako nagfofocus sa footworks ko. I am using d.pedal now para mai practice yung left foot ko kahit dahan dahan lang. for my right foot, i usually practice heal-toe technique. maganda yung instructional video ni jared regarding foot works. hehe
Title: Re: FOOTWORK TECHNIQUE thread
Post by: Peter on December 09, 2013, 11:53:33 AM
sinusubukan ko explore ang slide technique. dati plain heel up lang gamit ko. Mukhang mas may control nga lalo na sa fast melodic beats. kayalang nagsslide din mga kamay ko sumasabay sa paa ko. may nakaexperience din ba sa inyo nito?
mukhang kailangan ko mas mahabang practice time. Gusto ko talaga sya matutunan.
Title: Re: Help double kick basic
Post by: paeng074 on August 21, 2014, 09:03:59 PM
Help! naman po double kick excercise pwede naman paradiddle or meron ba kayo ma susggest saken kelangan ko pagaralan double peds eh..paturo nman basic kong san ako mag uumpisa