There's no excuse for playing a bad cover....

[guitarwiz02]

You don't hear classical players improvise too often on classical music (do they).

Not too often, yes, but doesn't mean never. The thing with classical players is that they have a very strict and tight discipline. That's something jazz and rock don't have because the two genres promote freedom and self-expression. That's clearly why an awfully lot of people dig rock and jazz more than classical.

[IncX]

I knew I'd hit a nerve. But who was insulting who? Was simply stating some facts.

Please get your insecurities in check, I wasnt insulting anyone and meant no offense. I was simply saying (read the original post) that to those who still can, please push the envelope and not be okay with being mediocre. To add, I believe that there's a lot of talent out there, there are even more talented people who end up being mediocre or slightly above simply because the mediocre people around them say its ok to be mediocre. They gain some comfort in knowing that they're just slightly above, kaya pwede na yon. Sometimes its even worse, someone will say its okay to "play bad covers, be insulted and improve slowly", the world's gone mad.

True I am one of those resigned, defeated and chickensh*t to get out of their bedrooms to play out. This is because I've tried and failed and had to make do with reality. But that doesn't mean I can't appeal to other younger guitarists to push it further. Because we have a lot of potentially amazing players and I would not like them to end up in the league of resigned, defeated and chickensh*t to get out of their bedrooms to play out. (I was hoping to find some caricature for that)

if you have the chance, please check my youtube page (i will PM you the link if you are really interested - i play bass) ... you will see both good and bad comments. please read how i react to them so you will know whether i am insecure.

as for the other part of your reply - stop making excuses. practice verrrryyy slowly ... take one step at a time. you do not need to cover steve vai songs note for note to post a video that you will be happy and proud about - i am also sure there will be other individuals out there who would get inspired with your playing, eventhough it's far from perfect.

i know that, because eventhough i get 10000 criticisms and the bass playing community doesnt think much of me... i still get a message that says: hi im new to bass and i love your style.

i did my part. i just inspired a person to pick up a bass because eventhough im not good... i still go out there and do my best.

isn't that what music is all about? ... inspiring people, giving them dreams? ... at least for me it is

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im sorry if i came out strong ... but i just react strongly to people WHO DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM TRYING OUT THINGS.

again TS, come out with a video... work hard on it, and post it eventhough it wont be perfect. not everyone is out to criticize people.

[mikki_blinkme]

^^^ Amen...

[samishellacool]

im sorry if i came out strong ... but i just react strongly to people WHO DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM TRYING OUT THINGS.

Exactly what the thread looked like to me first time i read it, kind of discouraging for guitar players/guitarists like myself(If ever I'm still qualified to be called one. Haha). But hey, that's how I see it. Though there are a points that I actually agree to, I still think the TS should've approached this topic in a different angle or perspective. Something less negative sounding I guess.

[guitarwiz02]

I wonder what they think about this..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_8WNYDtPF4

[jepbueno]

WHO DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM TRYING OUT THINGS.

I think that both you and the TS are not trying to discourage people. Instead, based on the statements I've read here, pareho niyo gusto i-uplift ang mga young guitarists pero magkaiba kayo ng perspective or pamamaraan. 

[mintzkie009]

bookmarked 

[hollowtech]

Of course there is an excuse for playing a bad cover. I think, any virtuoso was mediocre (or lesser) at one point before achieving  a high level of mastery , maybe even prodigies. Being unable to copy a song ‘correctly ‘ in the context of the thread author’s  view shouldn’t  discourage anyone from trying altogether. 
A note-for -note copy of a song is a display a guitarist’s diligence, and improvisation that of creativity and mastery. Both are positive attributes. IMO, there is even an excuse for posting a bad cover. You only get better through practice and criticism. And, constructive criticism is determined not by the mouth speaking but by the ears listening. ‘nuff said..

[samuelfianza]

Many guitarists actually improvise on their own song but still sound similar to the original tune.

[heyman]

I wonder what they think about this..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_8WNYDtPF4

love it.... VAN HALEN ROCKS

[havananas]

Good read. This made me realize that I'm below mediocrity, and just a guitar collector. 

[ianhisoka47]

This reminds me of B-boying. Steal others' move and add flavor then it will be yours.

If you express yourself on whatever you choose to play. That's Music.

[rednas]

Of course there is an excuse for playing a bad cover. I think, any virtuoso was mediocre (or lesser) at one point before achieving  a high level of mastery , maybe even prodigies. Being unable to copy a song ‘correctly ‘ in the context of the thread author’s  view shouldn’t  discourage anyone from trying altogether. 
A note-for -note copy of a song is a display a guitarist’s diligence, and improvisation that of creativity and mastery. Both are positive attributes. IMO, there is even an excuse for posting a bad cover. You only get better through practice and criticism. And, constructive criticism is determined not by the mouth speaking but by the ears listening. ‘nuff said..

Well said

[hack3rberry]

this is the reason why i dont post videos of myself playing.

[guitarwiz02]

love it.... VAN HALEN ROCKS

Kent Carlevi is probably the best Van Halen cover guitar player. When it comes to covering VH songs, no one even comes close. Not even Satchel (a.k.a. Russ Parrish). Check out the rest of his videos. His tone is even close or similar to EVH's post OU812 guitar tone. But here's the thing, he doesn't play cover songs note for note. He does it with his own flavor. And that's what makes him great.

[mintzkie009]

mas maganda kasi kung perfect ang pagkapa ng cover songs... kasi pag iniba na ng kumapa, parang hindi kana magagandahan kasi ang nasa isip natin yung original song, hindi yung creativeness ng kumapa. gaya ng i'm alright ni neil zaza, mas maganda yung cover ni jerry c para sakin kasi hindi binago masyado ang orig, pinaganda pa ang tone. ganun din ang canon rock ni jerry c covered by fun2wo, hindi rin niya masyado binago ang verses, pinaganda lang niya ang tone at mas klaro ang mga notes. masasabi ko agreed ako sa TS, kung magcocover lang naman gawin nalang near perfect kesa sa improvision. kasi pag inimprovised na yan, hindi na cover tawag dyan, revision na. I'm Alright cover by Juan dela Cruz changed to I'm Alright revised by Juan dela Cruz na dapat.

[mikki_blinkme]

kasi sabi ng thread... "There's no excuse for playing a bad cover...."

ang tanong:
So, may nagexcuse na ba? Pano nating masasabing bad cover? May official standards ba sa pagcover? Kung meron ano yun? Kung wala e bakit pa di magkasundo e wala naman pala?

conclusion:
pag trip ng nakinig ang pagkakacover may improv man o plakado... maganda pa rin? nasa taste na yan ng nakikinig. So sino tayo para pintasan ang link sa 1st page? Demokrasya? 

[guitarman8294]

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un nga!!! wala naman nag excuse.

[mikki_blinkme]

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un nga!!! wala naman nag excuse.

o yun naman pala e. yung nakalagay sa link sa youtube sa 1st page. Guitar Idol 2009 Winner na si Jack Thammarat na tiga Thailand ba yun? Di naman sya nagexcuse a. Winner lang sya ng Guitar Idol. Abay natural maraming kritisismo lagi naman e.

KASI si JACK may compo nakakacover ng maganda at WINNER ng Guitar Competition. E tayo? Eto nandito sa thread puro TONE ng TONE tapos mamumuna ng SKILLS.

Ayun ang pinagkaiba ni Jack kesa satin. 

[mintzkie009]

excuse me po mag c-cr lang ako 

[jellogz]

o yun naman pala e. yung nakalagay sa link sa youtube sa 1st page. Guitar Idol 2009 Winner na si Jack Thammarat na tiga Thailand ba yun? Di naman sya nagexcuse a. Winner lang sya ng Guitar Idol. Abay natural maraming kritisismo lagi naman e.

KASI si JACK may compo nakakacover ng maganda at WINNER ng Guitar Competition. E tayo? Eto nandito sa thread puro TONE ng TONE tapos mamumuna ng SKILLS.

Ayun ang pinagkaiba ni Jack kesa satin. 

Haha, tone tone tone pakitone kitone

[ianhisoka47]

It's very disappointing that people put rules in art.

[heyman]

It's very disappointing that people put rules in art.

ang masama nga jan e yung nagccriticize na iba yung mga nagyayabang lang... sige kayo na ang may alam ng lahat! hehe

[bryanarzaga]

Haha, tone tone tone pakitone kitone

alimango, sa suba tadadad dada..

OT:

its such a confusing topics, some off the points veered off to far from either side..

i for one think especially in a solo..there are situations when it feels like canvas your can play around with or times you get to stick with what worked well in the first place..

such as Dime's solo for cemetery gates..that first slow solo parts notes works 100% for that song..also the mid parts..but the outro of that solo i've heard him do different variances of that and most of them worked really well..also if one needs to change a solo part, just make sure it steps up to the plate..

well this is how i understand the topic..if not..oh well..

[officebiker]

watching someone do a "plakado" cover is like watching the same porn film repeatedly