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Re: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
« Reply #650 on: June 22, 2014, 09:44:03 PM »
It's an art bro,I'm ok in tuning drums without mic,pero when it's miced setup bano pako,haha
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Re: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
« Reply #651 on: June 22, 2014, 11:02:51 PM »
It's an art bro,I'm ok in tuning drums without mic,pero when it's miced setup bano pako,haha

yun oh hahaha share naman jan :P

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« Reply #652 on: June 23, 2014, 12:02:36 AM »
Depende sa drums at skin,pag 2 ply skin,I go for the egoy sharp attack sound,hehe,
Pero Minsan maganda din ang tight tuning ala jazz,just experiment,start with tuning top and bottom the same,then vary it.konting tight sa taas etc,iba iba kasi ang drums and skins kaya madami factors.
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« Reply #653 on: June 23, 2014, 08:32:40 AM »

Tagal ko na din kasi nag ttono wala talaga pag asa dami ko ng pinanood na tutorials -.- HAHAHA

Tulad ng sabi ni harugrugrug, art yan. Sabi mo beginner ka pa lang, so di mo pwede sabihin na wala talagang pag asa kasi kakasimula mo pa lang. Yung galing hindi naaacquire sa pagpapanood ng mga tutorial. Sabi nga eh, niroromansa ang tunog ng drums. Hindi yung kakasimula mo pa lang magjowa na kayo. Tinatiyaga yan nang matagal para makuha mo yung gusto mo. And every head is different, single ply 7 mil 10 mil 12 mil, double ply 7 mil 10 mil, may langis, glue, perforations, o-rings, foam sa gitna ng plies; clear hazy black suede fiberskyn kevlar, lahat yan iba iba ang tuning qualities - minsan mag-iba ka lang ng head parang beginner ka ulit.

It took me four tries just to get my snare to sound they way I want it with Evans Hydraulics. Four tries as in tinanggal ko yung snare wires, reso at yung hydraulics na batter, every time. Yung rack toms ko nga taeng [ice cream] ako kasi di ko mapakanta nang maayos - acceptable pero pilit, kaya tinanggal ko yung resos. Mas maayos na pero medyo kulang pa. I think yung toms ko mga 10 beses ko na tinune. Yung floor tom ko one time big time ayos na. Again, skill yan, it comes with time. Kahit ako, if it took me 5 years to learn how to tune my electric guitars to an acceptable level, but with very good intonation across the fretboard; even I have a long way to go in tuning drums.

And manage your expectations nga, kasi baka ok na naman pala ang tunog ng drums mo, pero dahil sa room acoustics nasisira. Try mo yung mag earmuffs after magtune, para mabawasan yung bias sa room acoustics.
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Re: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
« Reply #654 on: June 23, 2014, 08:58:22 AM »
Sir drum tuning has a learning curve...you acquire the skill as you gain more experience, I can't even say if I'm good at it at this point after a few years of doing it. I always thought that there's both science and art to tuning...and I realized you can't do it alone and I'm thankful to this forum for providing a wealth of information, just like the one below that I'm sharing...di ko ito matutuklasan if not for philmusic. It's a take on the practical side of tuning. I tried it and boy I can't believe it but it works  :):

http://talk.philmusic.com/index.php?topic=10184.0

How To Tune Your Toms - Quick & EASY w/ Rob Brown
How to Tune Your Bass Drum - Quick & EASY w/Rob Brown
How To Tune A Snare Drum: Perfect Sound in Less Than 2 Minutes w/Rob Brown


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« Reply #655 on: June 23, 2014, 09:10:43 AM »
Sir drum tuning has a learning curve...you acquire the skill as you gain more experience, I can't even say if I'm good at it at this point after a few years of doing it. I always thought that there's both science and art to tuning...and I realized you can't do it alone and I'm thankful to this forum for providing a wealth of information, just like the one below that I'm sharing...di ko ito matutuklasan if not for philmusic. It's a take on the practical side of tuning. I tried it and boy I can't believe it but it works  :):

http://talk.philmusic.com/index.php?topic=10184.0

I tried this method once just because I saw it, the ones for toms I mean. Really practical and it works when you've got zero time and you don't have the luxury to tune to exact pitches. I think it would work really well for that thuddy rock sound, as well as urban drumming. The overtones can be all over the place though, and a loose head would dent faster. Haven't seen the bass and snare ones though.
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Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
« Reply #656 on: July 11, 2014, 11:00:04 AM »
Sana may Before and After audio clips :)
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« Reply #657 on: July 11, 2014, 11:02:29 AM »
Sana may Before and After audio clips :)

thanks for reminding me, I should do that this weekend  :wave:
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« Reply #658 on: July 11, 2014, 11:08:40 AM »
Dude, anong method ang gumana? :)
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« Reply #659 on: July 11, 2014, 11:37:00 AM »
Dude, anong method ang gumana? :)

didn't get back to it yet, though getting the reso heads off still yields a weak boxy tone. keeping them on naman, mas boxy pa yung tone. G2 clears ang batter, so I don't know if I got two duds or my bearing edges suck ass. Rack toms lang talaga kasi problema ko eh  <_<

I'll make recordings this weekend para magkaalaman na  :)
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« Reply #660 on: July 11, 2014, 10:35:52 PM »
just a weird suggestion. crank up your toms to like the timabale sounding type then tune it lower in quarter turns.dont
forget to push the head after you loosen it. :-D
di kaya nagwarp ang bilog ng toms mo from storage?
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« Reply #661 on: July 12, 2014, 11:49:01 PM »
just a weird suggestion. crank up your toms to like the timabale sounding type then tune it lower in quarter turns.dont
forget to push the head after you loosen it. :-D
di kaya nagwarp ang bilog ng toms mo from storage?

I actually like my toms nice and tight, parang yung FT ko tunog pang orchestra.
The lugs won't go so far though, sagad na, at baka nga out of round na sya dahil sa storage.
Notable kasi nung kinuha ko may kalawang yung boots sa loob ng high tom, tapos may amag yung hoop ng bass (pero ok naman yung bass, ganda ng tunog!)
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Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
« Reply #662 on: July 13, 2014, 09:15:32 AM »
I actually like my toms nice and tight, parang yung FT ko tunog pang orchestra.
The lugs won't go so far though, sagad na, at baka nga out of round na sya dahil sa storage.
Notable kasi nung kinuha ko may kalawang yung boots sa loob ng high tom, tapos may amag yung hoop ng bass (pero ok naman yung bass, ganda ng tunog!)


Awwwww.... Magexperiment Ka,baka sa room lang din. Itune mo sa Ibang part ng Bahay niyo.
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Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
« Reply #663 on: July 16, 2014, 12:41:16 PM »
Yung 12" ko ganto rin. Pag nakadetach sa tom arm. Ok tumunog(May sustain). Pero pag nakakabit na sa arm. Wala na. As in patay na patay. May space naman yung bottom rim sa bass drum hindi siya nakadikit. Btw, hindi siya virgin tom.
My 13" sounds ok naman. Ginawa ko na siyang floating floor tom. Ano kaya problema nito?  <_<
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« Reply #664 on: July 16, 2014, 05:31:05 PM »
Yung 12" ko ganto rin. Pag nakadetach sa tom arm. Ok tumunog(May sustain). Pero pag nakakabit na sa arm. Wala na. As in patay na patay. May space naman yung bottom rim sa bass drum hindi siya nakadikit. Btw, hindi siya virgin tom.
My 13" sounds ok naman. Ginawa ko na siyang floating floor tom. Ano kaya problema nito?  <_<

8-10-14 na raw tayo  :wink:
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Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
« Reply #665 on: July 17, 2014, 09:26:47 AM »
8-10-14 na raw tayo  :wink:

Panong 8-10-14 sir? Hahahaha! Nakakalungkot kasi. Natono mo na ng maayos pero wala sa drumset. Pag nilagay mo sa rack. Patay na.  :cry:

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« Reply #666 on: July 17, 2014, 10:24:54 AM »
Panong 8-10-14 sir? Hahahaha! Nakakalungkot kasi. Natono mo na ng maayos pero wala sa drumset. Pag nilagay mo sa rack. Patay na.  :cry:
8 and 10 inch na rack tapos 14 na FT  :lol: I swear I've heard 8" toms singing with pinstripes on, eh ako naka 12-13 na G2 ayaw pa rin kumanta!  :eek:
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Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
« Reply #667 on: July 17, 2014, 10:59:27 AM »
8 and 10 inch na rack tapos 14 na FT  :lol: I swear I've heard 8" toms singing with pinstripes on, eh ako naka 12-13 na G2 ayaw pa rin kumanta!  :eek:

virgin toms ka ba? or yung naka-TOM ARM insert? mejo mas madalas dead sounding ang non virgin toms because of the holes (parang sa vented snare kumbaga)


yung kay bro JVIADO, bro check mo yung tom arms tska mounting hardware ng drums mo, baka may maluwag na or kumakalog. this is another killer of resonance. :)
hahaha ako binibiyak ko muna yung wetpaks para makita kung may yellow thingy hahahaha

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« Reply #668 on: July 17, 2014, 11:02:37 AM »
virgin toms ka ba? or yung naka-TOM ARM insert? mejo mas madalas dead sounding ang non virgin toms because of the holes (parang sa vented snare kumbaga)


yung kay bro JVIADO, bro check mo yung tom arms tska mounting hardware ng drums mo, baka may maluwag na or kumakalog. this is another killer of resonance. :)

ah sabagay natuhugan na yung toms ko eh. naka suspension mount nga  yung 8" na nakita ko  :-o
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Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
« Reply #669 on: July 17, 2014, 11:20:12 AM »
ayun. :O try mo itune ng hawak mo siya na hindi nakamount. malamang hindi deadsounding yan.
hahaha ako binibiyak ko muna yung wetpaks para makita kung may yellow thingy hahahaha

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« Reply #670 on: July 17, 2014, 04:34:51 PM »
virgin toms ka ba? or yung naka-TOM ARM insert? mejo mas madalas dead sounding ang non virgin toms because of the holes (parang sa vented snare kumbaga)


yung kay bro JVIADO, bro check mo yung tom arms tska mounting hardware ng drums mo, baka may maluwag na or kumakalog. this is another killer of resonance. :)

Oo nga sir. Maluwag na nga yung tom arm ko. Pano kaya to? Bili na ko bagong tom arm?
Natono ko siya ng sobrang ganda nung wala sa arm. Pag kabit mo sa tom arm.....  :lol: :lol:

8 and 10 inch na rack tapos 14 na FT  :lol: I swear I've heard 8" toms singing with pinstripes on, eh ako naka 12-13 na G2 ayaw pa rin kumanta!  :eek:

Hahahaha!! :lol: G2 Clear over Genera Resonant ako sa toms. TBH, ngayon ko lang narinig tumunog yung drums ko ng maayos. :-D

Pero ok nga yung sinabi ni sir raLpH_pEtRucCi na itune mo yung tom mo sir ng hindi nakamount. :) yun yung issue ko sa 12"ko na tom. Natotono ko siya ng maayos pag hindi nakamount. :)

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« Reply #671 on: July 17, 2014, 04:40:47 PM »
Oo nga sir. Maluwag na nga yung tom arm ko. Pano kaya to? Bili na ko bagong tom arm?
Natono ko siya ng sobrang ganda nung wala sa arm. Pag kabit mo sa tom arm.....  :lol: :lol:

Hahahaha!! :lol: G2 Clear over Genera Resonant ako sa toms. TBH, ngayon ko lang narinig tumunog yung drums ko ng maayos. :-D

Pero ok nga yung sinabi ni sir raLpH_pEtRucCi na itune mo yung tom mo sir ng hindi nakamount. :) yun yung issue ko sa 12"ko na tom. Natotono ko siya ng maayos pag hindi nakamount. :)

actually ralph deads na yung ball mount ko eh (tanging sakit ng yamaha) baka dun din. although true mas resonant nga sya pag tuned off the rack, pero di pa rin ako satisfied eh, boxy talaga.

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Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
« Reply #672 on: July 17, 2014, 04:43:00 PM »
Oo nga sir. Maluwag na nga yung tom arm ko. Pano kaya to? Bili na ko bagong tom arm?
Natono ko siya ng sobrang ganda nung wala sa arm. Pag kabit mo sa tom arm.....  :lol: :lol:

Hahahaha!! :lol: G2 Clear over Genera Resonant ako sa toms. TBH, ngayon ko lang narinig tumunog yung drums ko ng maayos. :-D

Pero ok nga yung sinabi ni sir raLpH_pEtRucCi na itune mo yung tom mo sir ng hindi nakamount. :) yun yung issue ko sa 12"ko na tom. Natotono ko siya ng maayos pag hindi nakamount. :)


nako, palit na ng mounts. or mount mo via snare stand. i prefer mounting via snare stand hahahaha
hahaha ako binibiyak ko muna yung wetpaks para makita kung may yellow thingy hahahaha

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« Reply #673 on: July 17, 2014, 04:44:50 PM »
actually ralph deads na yung ball mount ko eh (tanging sakit ng yamaha) baka dun din. although true mas resonant nga sya pag tuned off the rack, pero di pa rin ako satisfied eh, boxy talaga.

PROMISE this weekend talaga magrerecord na ako ng samples.

yun na yan most probably + bearing edges. tancha ko bearing edges talaga. rounded na yan most prob.
hahaha ako binibiyak ko muna yung wetpaks para makita kung may yellow thingy hahahaha

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Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
« Reply #674 on: July 17, 2014, 05:04:16 PM »

nako, palit na ng mounts. or mount mo via snare stand. i prefer mounting via snare stand hahahaha

Sige sir. Balitaan ko kayo sa tunog pag nakapag palit na ko mounts. Masyado mahal ang snare stand at hindi ako sanay sa pwesto pag snare stand. HAHAHAHA!!  :lol:

maraming salamat sir raLpH_pEtRucCi.  :-D :-D