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Title: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: coolaxer on September 30, 2009, 09:58:09 PM
tips naman po oh heheh for other noobs like me!
kung meron na po gantong thread paki lock nalang po
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: frivers on September 30, 2009, 10:22:33 PM
mainly nakukuha ko yung metal sound ko sa distortion ko, ang gamit ko eh krank, hardwire tl2 at seymour d. twin tube mayhem. sineset ko sila ng ganito yung treble is almost 70% mid 40% Bass 60% tpos gain todo or 70% tapos hinahaluan ko ng eq secret na yung timpla sa eq gawa ka nalang ng sarili hehe tapos may metal tone ka na hehe depende parin yan sa trip mo eh at kung anu maganda pakingan sa tenga mo
pakingan mo yung song namen bro sa www.myspace.com/painscaleband yan tunog ng metal tone ko na ganyan ang settings
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: coolaxer on September 30, 2009, 10:26:11 PM
very nice band
yan ang hinahanap ko mala metallica
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: marc_wylde on September 30, 2009, 10:32:31 PM
painscale.
nursing ba course nyo kuya?
hehe
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: frivers on September 30, 2009, 10:38:53 PM
i agree with this one :-D the and justice for all days tone :-D but the mid should not be 0 eh, you could depending on the amp, crank it up a bit like to 4 or 5 so that it would have more chunk :-D
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: peabrain12789 on October 01, 2009, 08:57:47 AM
digitech deathmetal.... or boss MD2
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: donard on October 01, 2009, 09:03:19 AM
simple lang kasi hanap ko pag dating sa metal a boss mt2 is ok na for me pero mas maganda ngayon feeling ko nga nauuso na e digitech tl2
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: frivers on October 01, 2009, 09:46:37 AM
simple lang kasi hanap ko pag dating sa metal a boss mt2 is ok na for me pero mas maganda ngayon feeling ko nga nauuso na e digitech tl2
ok ang tl2 bro sulit sa presyo niya. pero mas pabor parin ako sa krank distortus maximus balance yung bigat ng sound eh hehe so far sa diname dame ng naging dirt ko (ds1,mt2,ml2,gdi21,gt2,sd power grid,hm100 and 200,dr.boogey,rocktron zombie and rampage,df7) ang krank tl2 at sd twin tube mayhem palang ang nakasatisfy sakin kahit di ganun kamahal solb na ako hehe
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: donard on October 01, 2009, 09:49:51 AM
ok ang tl2 bro sulit sa presyo niya. pero mas pabor parin ako sa krank distortus maximus balance yung bigat ng sound eh hehe so far sa diname dame ng naging dirt ko (ds1,mt2,ml2,gdi21,gt2,sd power grid,hm100 and 200,dr.boogey,rocktron zombie and rampage,df7) ang krank tl2 at sd twin tube mayhem palang ang nakasatisfy sakin kahit di ganun kamahal solb na ako hehe
nalunod ako habang binabasa ko yung mga dirt mo haha angdami
kahit stop muna ko sa metal nung narinig ko demo ng hardwire tl2 parang gusto kong magkaroon ganda kaso di ko alam ang price hehe
@ts 1 vote ako for the tl2 hehe
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: frivers on October 01, 2009, 09:56:07 AM
nalunod ako habang binabasa ko yung mga dirt mo haha angdami
kahit stop muna ko sa metal nung narinig ko demo ng hardwire tl2 parang gusto kong magkaroon ganda kaso di ko alam ang price hehe
@ts 1 vote ako for the tl2 hehe
hinahanap ko kasi dati yung metal tone na magsatisfy sakin pag di ko natripan benta kagad tapos try ulit ng iba hehe yung tl2 ko sa tropa ko sa states pinabili mga 5 to 6k din ata inabot di ko maalala wala kasing resibo eh nabasa sa baha haha di ko pa nga tapos bayaran haha ewan ko lang kung meron na sa audiophile nitong tl2
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: skunkyfunk on October 01, 2009, 09:58:37 AM
It is in the amp. If you like modern metal, you need powerful and gainy amps, or amps that like high gain pedals. No flabs, no farts.
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: donard on October 01, 2009, 09:59:04 AM
hinahanap ko kasi dati yung metal tone na magsatisfy sakin pag di ko natripan benta kagad tapos try ulit ng iba hehe yung tl2 ko sa tropa ko sa states pinabili mga 5 to 6k din ata inabot di ko maalala wala kasing resibo eh nabasa sa baha haha di ko pa nga tapos bayaran haha ewan ko lang kung meron na sa audiophile nitong tl2
yup nakakita ko nito sa mandaluyong branch hehe ang porma metal na metal talaga hehe kung di siguro ko bumili ng ph3 yun sana binili ko 1st time ko nakita yun kay john dinopol
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: kragz on October 01, 2009, 10:00:45 AM
grabe nakaka GAS yung TL2!!! whoaaaaaaaaaaa! i'm gassing! :-o :cry:
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: frivers on October 01, 2009, 10:04:42 AM
It is in the amp. If you like modern metal, you need powerful and gainy amps, or amps that like high gain pedals. No flabs, no farts.
dale mo ser kung may pera lang ako like other forumers dito siguro naka randall or mark IV or krank amps na ako haha ang mahal pero siguradong sulit at solid ang tunog.
last gig namen sa freedom bar with intolerant ang gamit ni ser russell eh sovtek na head and cab di ko alam brand nung cab tapos si ser joey naka line6 ata solid talaga yung tunog nila, nag loop lang ng ns2 para sa noise tapos ok na with matching emg's pala yung guitar nila panalo.
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: frivers on October 01, 2009, 10:13:06 AM
pag isipan ko pa pero mukang another gas na nga ata to haha
ayan na gas na yan haha ako kakatapos lang ng gas ko sa guitar hehe after mamili sa mga for sale sa classifieds binili ko yung xiphos xp300 hehe panalo din parang rg, hindi mahal pero komportable ang neck at okei naman ang tunog hehe
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: donard on October 01, 2009, 10:15:04 AM
^haha ayos ah baka kasi di ko magamit sa compo yung tl2
hehe sana matuloy yung video editing ko this week
certified gas to hahahaha
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: shredmonster on October 01, 2009, 10:44:08 AM
magkano tl2
gas attacks :lol:
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: skunkyfunk on October 01, 2009, 10:47:47 AM
dale mo ser kung may pera lang ako like other forumers dito siguro naka randall or mark IV or krank amps na ako haha ang mahal pero siguradong sulit at solid ang tunog.
last gig namen sa freedom bar with intolerant ang gamit ni ser russell eh sovtek na head and cab di ko alam brand nung cab tapos si ser joey naka line6 ata solid talaga yung tunog nila, nag loop lang ng ns2 para sa noise tapos ok na with matching emg's pala yung guitar nila panalo.
Actually those Sovtek tube amps are very much like Marshall JCM800s. They can kill. :evil:
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: frivers on October 01, 2009, 11:01:20 AM
bro yun ang pinakamasakit sa lahat kasi straight from sweetwater inorder ng bespren ko yun regalo sakin nakuha niya ng 12k tapos pagdating dito nagbayad pa ako tax sa fedex ng 3k haha napamahal pa ako eh meron naman 12k lang dati kay ser bluejem, pero ok lang solve naman ako eh tiyaka libre yung gadget hehe
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: digitalcyco on October 01, 2009, 11:28:02 AM
I get my metal sound from a digital stomp box.... a Zoom G2 :-D and I couple it with half a dozen analog pedals.
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: Boxedking on October 01, 2009, 11:35:29 AM
Sir MT2 and GE7? The MT2 is already a three-band equalizer right? Tanong ko lang pano gagamitin yung GE7 with MT2? Kasi may mga kakilala ako na sinasabing you don't need the equalizer kung gamit mo na ung Metal Zone dahil sa three-band equalizer. Can you tell me some infos about this? For reference sir. :-D
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: donard on October 01, 2009, 12:47:39 PM
Sir MT2 and GE7? The MT2 is already a three-band equalizer right? Tanong ko lang pano gagamitin yung GE7 with MT2? Kasi may mga kakilala ako na sinasabing you don't need the equalizer kung gamit mo na ung Metal Zone dahil sa three-band equalizer. Can you tell me some infos about this? For reference sir. :-D
minsan kasi nasal ang mt2 lalo na pang walang equalizer
you need the eq as booster or pampabigat pa ng mt2
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: frivers on October 01, 2009, 01:02:53 PM
minsan kasi nasal ang mt2 lalo na pang walang equalizer
you need the eq as booster or pampabigat pa ng mt2
ako bro kahit anung dirt gamit ko lageng may eq tamang tama yung sinabe mo pwedeng mas pampabigat ng tunog na kahit di mo otodo ang gain crunchy sound at useful ang eq sa mga gig na panget ang amps na kahit papaano e maimprove ang sound quality hehe
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: kragz on October 01, 2009, 01:08:47 PM
mga sir kung epi les paul kaya posible rin mapa metal sound kahit amplifier lang?
sure.. if you want it heavy use the neck pick-up, bass: maximun mid: 0 treble: 6-10(timplahin mo nlng) basta max lagi bass at 0 ang mid yun na yun ehehe
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: kingthomas on October 01, 2009, 10:19:48 PM
importante sa akin ang EQ talaga. i use it to boost certain parts of the songs, like for example... mahina sa verse, sabay totodo ako sa chorus! :-D
parang sa mga kanta ng tool.. hehe :-)
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: daryl090804 on October 01, 2009, 10:20:44 PM
sure.. if you want it heavy use the neck pick-up, bass: maximun mid: 0 treble: 6-10(timplahin mo nlng) basta max lagi bass at 0 ang mid yun na yun ehehe
IMO, scooped masyado, di magccut through sa mix. If you want the metal sound running just through an amp with no pedals, get a Line6 Spider, VOX Valvetronix, Peavey Vyper or the new Marshall MG series amps.
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: angeloesteban14 on October 01, 2009, 10:24:39 PM
IMO, scooped masyado, di magccut through sa mix. If you want the metal sound running just through an amp with no pedals, get a Line6 Spider, VOX Valvetronix, Peavey Vyper or the new Marshall MG series amps.
Whats the difference between the old and the new Marshall MG?
Curious lang ako sir hehe :-D
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: daryl090804 on October 01, 2009, 10:27:24 PM
Honestly, I can't remember haha! Bolt Thrower just told me about it. He's the Marshall fanboy so I guess he can answer your question if he pops up out of nowhere haha!
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: inot1105 on October 01, 2009, 11:26:22 PM
mine would be... just like the metallica way... kill the mid.. almost.
i mean, i still like a little mids, so...
equal bass & trebs, between 1 to 3 o'clock, then vary the mid to your taste.
share ko lang... happy tone-searching. :wink:
rak-on!
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: firemodel55 on October 01, 2009, 11:46:30 PM
Well, I would have to go with one of the amps I have... (http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q182/oasgomez/IMG_0348.jpg)
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: inverted_hate on October 02, 2009, 09:46:53 AM
oh here we go again lol!...(http://smileyicons.net/s/433.gif)(http://smileyicons.net/s/434.gif)(http://smileyicons.net/s/421.gif)(http://smileyicons.net/s/423.gif)
I can pretty much out metal anybody else here... LOL!!!
That's only because my friend Atz King isn't on this forum. If he were... his gear would kick your gear's a_s any day of the week and twice on sundays.
AND Atz can actually play.
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: coolaxer on October 02, 2009, 10:28:32 AM
nice!
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: peabrain12789 on October 02, 2009, 11:24:35 AM
That's only because my friend Atz King isn't on this forum. If he were... his gear would kick your gear's a_s any day of the week and twice on sundays.
AND Atz can actually play.
Basta alam ko sila ang may-ari ng SHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: frivers on October 02, 2009, 11:57:53 AM
I can pretty much out metal anybody else here... LOL!!!
ganda ng gears mo parekoy. too bad di namen kaya iafford yan.unteng bawas ng hangin sa katawan baka lumipad ka niyan. napakalupit mo siguro magguitara lalo na sa riffing ng metal demo naman ng napaka gandang gear mo sayang kung puro picture lang at salita :?
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: Boxedking on October 02, 2009, 12:02:49 PM
init... wew!!! :evil:
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: angeloesteban14 on October 02, 2009, 12:07:21 PM
hehe tama ka dyan. ganda ng gamit sarap gamitin yabang lang eh.
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: Musikerochan on October 02, 2009, 12:54:01 PM
zachman'd!
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: daryl090804 on October 02, 2009, 12:54:43 PM
Put that gear into the hands of underground metal guitarists here in the Philippines and I guarantee you, our metal guitarists will rival the material other metalheads in other countries have. I have nothing against people bragging about what gear they may have, I mean, it's their right. If you've got it, flaunt it but c'mon...do not claim to outmetal anybody. Try saying that over at FilMet or IDP. You definitely DO NOT know how it is to be metal.
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: skunkyfunk on October 02, 2009, 12:56:34 PM
Put that gear into the hands of underground metal guitarists here in the Philippines and I guarantee you, our metal guitarists will rival the material other metalheads in other countries have. I have nothing against people bragging about what gear they may have, I mean, it's their right. If you've got it, flaunt it but c'mon...do not claim to outmetal anybody. Try saying that over at FilMet or IDP. You definitely DO NOT know how it is to be metal.
Dude I also know a lot of guys in those forums who diss more than they can play. I mean, mga mahilig manukat.
I think Firemodel was saying "out-metal" in a tone aspect, but knowing the guy, he plays and looks far from being a metalhead.
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: shredmonster on October 02, 2009, 01:09:58 PM
Dude I also know a lot of guys in those forums who diss more than they can play. I mean, mga mahilig manukat.
I think Firemodel was saying "out-metal" in a tone aspect, but knowing the guy, he plays and looks far from being a metalhead.
Skills wise, I know of people in FilMet who can definitely outplay firemodel beyond the shadow of a doubt.
Tone wise, I think it's a matter of taste between people. Everyone has their idea of what their ideal tone is.
Term wise, by saying you "out metal" people means that you're head and shoulders above everyone else, which certainly isn't the case. Some people here have better gear than firemodel and a lot of people here and elsewhere can play better than firemodel. Hell, I'd take a guy who has a solid state amp, a simple pedalboard, cheap cables, stock pickups and great skills over a guy who claims to "out metal" everyone else here.
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: frivers on October 02, 2009, 01:14:53 PM
Skills wise, I know of people in FilMet who can definitely outplay firemodel beyond the shadow of a doubt.
Tone wise, I think it's a matter of taste between people. Everyone has their idea of what their ideal tone is.
Term wise, by saying you "out metal" people means that you're head and shoulders above everyone else, which certainly isn't the case. Some people here have better gear than firemodel and a lot of people here and elsewhere can play better than firemodel. Hell, I'd take a guy who has a solid state amp, a simple pedalboard, cheap cables, stock pickups and great skills over a guy who claims to "out metal" everyone else here.
dale mo ser, nakakainit ng ulo eh maganda nga gamit puro salita naman.
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: killjom on October 02, 2009, 01:29:03 PM
What's the use of having the best metal tone if you yourself don't know how to play metal. And we're not convinced until you give us a demo, just a really short demo by you, like the demo of your baker. :-) Please? it won't hurt you right?
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: kune_km on October 02, 2009, 01:38:34 PM
I can pretty much out metal anybody else here... LOL!!!
sarap nyang gears na yan!!!
pero baka di ko pa rin ma-maximize ang full potential ng mga gears na yun kung magkakaron ako kasi di naman ako malufet tumugtog eh.
sama ko na lang yan sa wish list ko!!!
:-)
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: Gunslinger on October 02, 2009, 01:39:03 PM
Bawal away dito sa forums diba? :?
Hmm.. Less pics, less talk, more demos. :evil:
Try reading my signature. It might help some of you here. Hehe. Peace. :-)
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: skunkyfunk on October 02, 2009, 01:45:20 PM
Some people are forgetting Firemodel put 'LOL'. Stop being defensive. He's a nice guy in person but here he is (http://img3.harmony-central.com/acapella/ubb/soapbox.gif)
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: kragz on October 02, 2009, 02:15:46 PM
ganda ng gears mo parekoy. too bad di namen kaya iafford yan.unteng bawas ng hangin sa katawan baka lumipad ka niyan. napakalupit mo siguro magguitara lalo na sa riffing ng metal demo naman ng napaka gandang gear mo sayang kung puro picture lang at salita :?
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That's only because my friend Atz King isn't on this forum. If he were... his gear would kick your gear's a_s any day of the week and twice on sundays.
AND Atz can actually play.
I wanna see justice :-) justice given to the equipments I mean.
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: coolaxer on October 02, 2009, 02:46:03 PM
OT: darating na pala pepeng mga guys ingat para di dumami posts sa gear casualties thread! :evil:
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: peabrain12789 on October 02, 2009, 04:00:05 PM
Some people are forgetting Firemodel put 'LOL'. Stop being defensive. He's a nice guy in person
+1 kay Sir Dodjie.
Come on guys... We've all been around long enough to know how forums work... Nothing should ever be taken personally from virtual member relationships and it's best to take it all with a grain of salt ..Right?
And after what ondoy left us with, as Filipinos we grew stronger coz nag tulungan tayo lahat. Tama na away.. Tulungan na lang lahat.. Diba? I'd like to share a quote I read online from a comment of an American Ex-Pat: "I wish you all could see the amazing community spirit, charity and compassion in the Philippines.." Dapat pati sa forums tulungan na lang at itigil na ang crab mentality.
We should just relax, share what you find sharable and enjoy what others have to share. I learn a lot from Philmusic so I guess it works in both ways. Peace na lang tayo lahat para masaya palagi sa forums.
Anyway in my case I'm happy with the metal sound I get from my shredhead.
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: kragz on October 02, 2009, 08:49:47 PM
That's only because my friend Atz King isn't on this forum. If he were... his gear would kick your gear's a_s any day of the week and twice on sundays.
AND Atz can actually play.
Sure... whatever you say... but I sincerely doubt that that his gear would kick my gear's ass. Nothing against Atz.
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: inverted_hate on October 03, 2009, 06:07:02 AM
kidding aside i would like to hear a decent sound clip/demo for that toneczar openhaus...youtube have some clips but all of it didn't made me think it is a 400 dollar pedal (all of them messed it up)
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: toybitz on October 03, 2009, 06:11:23 AM
ganda ng gamit ni Firemodel.
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: firemodel55 on October 03, 2009, 06:58:18 AM
Next thing to do is beef up your downstroke and alt picking chugs. :D
Thanks...
I do believe in what you said that its the amps that carry a metal sound. All of them are tube because they have a certain softer quality to the level of distortion and drive that solid state amps and pedals CANNOT get. And I find solid state stuff harsh compared to driving the preamp distortion of these high gain amps which are designed for metal from the ground up. The other reason, I have choices for so called metal amps is that each amp has a unique voicing like there are numerous metal pedals with unique voicings too. So, its not a matter of just prescribed settings because there are different flavors of metal. The other recent discovery I have is that the cabinet design and material has a very very very large effect on the sound for metal -- more important than pickups I would say. For metal, nothing beats an amp and speaker cabinet combination. Its a simple BUT expensive set up. Notice that majority of the so-called known metal guys do NOT use a solid state pedal with word 'metal' ? At best, to my horror, they have boost pedals in front of their 'metal' amps.
So here is a rundown of my 'metal' amps:
Diezel Herbert -- killer third channel for modern metal rhythms ... rated at 180 watts tube with an ability to switch tubes to 6550s or KT 88s to yield 300 watts tube. Also, has a lovable Channel 2 plus that sounds like a real tricked out marshall on steroids. Very flexible contour knob that does scooped metal so well all the way up to a fat elevated mid range. It terms of voicing it has a unique but slight compression and midrange that is nice to hear.
Excerpt description of the third channel from tone merchants: "The third channel is the fire-breathing monster that we've come to expect out of this long-awaited masterpiece. From 80's metal to saturated fat shred lead sounds to the most intense over-the-top detuned Nu-Metal and ultra fast doomsday death metal sounds, the Herbert dishes out some of the gnarliest, some of the most menacing, some of the biggest and some of the punchiest distortion sound EVER from a guitar amplifier. "
"From here, you flick the gain/voicing switch to "plus" and observe the Herbert morph into the brighter Marshall-like territoty with more punch and definition while retaining warmth in the midrange. It's not quite the 3rd channel of the VH4, but it was never meant to mimic the 3rd channel of that amp. With some tweaking, I was able to simulate some early-VH-esque sounds. With the gain cranked, the 2nd channel delves into the 80's metal sounds -- think Ozzy, Motley Crue, Whitesnake, etc. The Herbert's second channel can cover decades' worth of classic sounds on its own. Always toneful with a throaty midrange, this is the channel that will surprise many Diezel fans. Peter has allowed you to dial in some great low-to-medium gain sounds with more punch and definition on the bottom. I really love the fact that the Herbert can get some very nice classic rock sounds as well after these tweaks performed by Peter.
The third channel is heavy on the gain but very sweet sounding with a lot of cutting mids. This channel is superb for all-out shred a la Shawn Lane and Buckethead and over-the-top pummeling Nu-Metal rhythms and super fast Death Metal riffs. Still featuring a super fast transient attack that slowly and surely evolves into a pleasant sponginess, this channel exhibits remarkable tonal balance and tactile response with touch sensitivity. With the gain at around 1 o'clock, the treble at 2 o'clock, the mid at 3 o'clock and the bass at around noon, you get a juicy yet tight and liquid high-gain sound that's perfect for that Satriani, Vai, Petrucci sort of a sound"
Bogner Uberschall (Version 1) -- Another flexible and killer lead channel for rhythms... It is more open sounding with that fat and juicy Bogner mid range. This is what I call a fat metal sound. It also has droning overtones in the bass register which is perfect for down tuning.
Excerpt from Bogner Website "we then unleash mayhem with the Five-Mega Ton SUPER AGGRESSIVE high gain channel with gain, bass, middle, treble, volume and presence controls. You think you've heard BASS before, no way, the UBERSCHALL will shatter your rib-cage, you better put 911 on speed dial! Even with extreme gain and volume this channel stays massively focused and resists mushing out from the heaviest right-hand attack. Have some other crazy effects? Put them through the Tube buffered effects loop. Power comes from a throaty EL34 output section.
Go ahead, try and hide from the UBERSCHALL it will seek you out, relentlessly, while you sleep, in this life and the next... But all will soon embrace the UBERSCHALL and we will wonder how anyone tried to play Standard tuning, 7 String or Dropped low tuning guitar without it"
VHT Ultralead Pitbull - It does tight 80s thrash metal and punch to boot -- gotta love that built in graphic EQ that does not add any noise. It can sound really stiff but with the right guitar it gets a sharp and focused sound.
Excerpt from Tone Merchants & Fryette website "The flagship of the Pittbull line, the Ultra-Lead now features Gain-Stacking in the Lead and Rhythm channels. Preset your channel gains for subtle, biting clean, robust, chunky rhythm, or searing, pummeling overdrive, then let the footswitch do the rest. The cleanest, quietest effects loop in the world just got better with the addition of a switchable parallel mode. Mix the true amp sound with your favorite effect or process the entire pre-amp signal. The choice is yours. This head also features a Graphic EQ section for those wanting to kick in a scooped death metal sound or an ultra fat lead sound with extra mids."
"The Pittbull Ultra-Lead is a powerful, yet extremely versatile amplifier well suited for players of any style who are unafraid to own center stage. Uncompromising personality has made this amplifier the top choice of world class players from all genres of music. The Ultra-Lead's KT88 power section provides stunning clarity and definition whether playing clean or at maximum gain. The low and medium gain sounds are balanced and spacious, while the clean tones can be pristine, chunky, crisp or edgy. The wide range of sounds is limited only by your imagination."
Soldano SLO 100 -- Still my favorite of the bunch because it can do 80s to early 90s metal. Love the crunch sound. The sound is defined and yet open. Its a very expressive,revealing and touch responsive amp. In fact, it can be unforgiving specially for first timers -- Ibanez Guitar guys into multi-effects units beware because it really will reveal your technique if you plug straight. Another trick I learned to maximize its sound is to pair it up with Vintage 30s with the correctly designed and made cabinet. This smoothens out the sometimes over top upper mid cut of the Vintage 30s.
Excerpt from Soldano website: "The 100 watt SUPER LEAD OVERDRIVE is the amplifier that has set the standard for high gain tube distortion. Unchanged in over fifteen years, it remains the unmatched benchmark for modern lead guitar tone and amplifier quality."
Soldano Hot Rod 50 -- Voiced after SLO? Not really exact. Its more compressed. Its not as hi-fi or revealing and its very strong in the midrange. I like using it for shred instrumentals because its easier to play than the SLO.
Marshall 30th Anniversary Head (Not in Picture) -- I like its third channel for thrash and deathmetal because it has a really defined and chunky sound which is not too over the top. You could say that less gain is actually more.
Excerpt from Marshall -- "LEAD is what channel 3 is all about. This channel has a switch for two gain alternatives. The first, a smoldering saturation, is preset to the channel. The other is a searing gain boost that shoots screaming solos beyond the limits of any previous sonic experience. Besides awesome gain, Marshall includes a mid-shift selector to transform the middle control into an expansive "contour" control. Where other high-gain amps turn muddy and lose definition, the 30th anniversary model tonal shaping helps you to retain the definition that articulates every note."
Marshall JCM 900 SLX (Not in Picture) -- If I ever needed to do 90s Anthrax, this would be the amp to use. The distortion in this amp should have been designed into the whole JCM 900 line. Too bad. It goes a step further from the JCM 800 series but retaining the clarity and definition with more crunch and punch.
Excerpt from Marshall -- "Produced during the 1990's, the JCM 900 Mark IV SL-X (Super Lead X-tended) amp was an evolutionary link in the Marshall Master Volume series. By adding an extra ECC 83 (12AX7A) valve, Marshall engineers created a gain-drenched front end that combined twin gain controls, from 0-10, and another that went all the way to 20!"
I still have a list of more 'metal' sounding amps to buy. I appreciate them because I plug straight and I rely on their tube preamps to generate the drive and distortion I need.
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: firemodel55 on October 03, 2009, 07:22:19 AM
I will believe you when I actually see you play. Not someone else playing your gear.
You are not worth the effort... I don't care what you believe.
Let me remind you that you chickened out when I invited you first to test my equipment in my house with no strings attached. Kaya ito lang ang sagot mo:
Gain - Full Low - 9 or 10 Mid - 0 High - 4
To that, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HAH HAH HAH HAH.
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: peabrain12789 on October 03, 2009, 08:41:17 AM
^wow ang haba nun ah... tanggal amats ko... nice
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: Boxedking on October 03, 2009, 09:04:44 AM
Some people are forgetting Firemodel put 'LOL'. Stop being defensive. He's a nice guy in person but here he is (http://img3.harmony-central.com/acapella/ubb/soapbox.gif)
Skunky, you might want to change your statement. It wasn't a smiley, it was an obnoxious, sarcastic laugh.
You are not worth the effort... I don't care what you believe.
Let me remind you that you chickened out when I invited you first to test my equipment in my house with no strings attached. Kaya ito lang ang sagot mo:
Gain - Full Low - 9 or 10 Mid - 0 High - 4
To that, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HAH HAH HAH HAH.
And Mr. Gomez, let me set the record straight, I first challenged you to show off your "gear" in a recording studio. Many members volunteered their services to record the event. You balked, because of your "conditions". I even offered to pay for the studio, I even had one of the best ones on standby. You said, no. It was you that chickened out.
This is what you said on August 22, 7:14am:
I will agree to the studio challenge if: 1. There is no audio and video for the main reason that it will not capture the important elements that define good sounding equipment. 2. No BAMF blind test rules but rather invite 10 known guitarist to test my equipment against yours. Then you can video their review of the equipment. That being said: You are still welcome to come over with your guitar and amp to my house. Lets get the facts straight. This wasn't about my gear or my playing, it was about yours. See Link (http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,146834.75.html)
How about using your logic:
Re: Scalarizer Thread « Reply #885 on: February 17, 2007, 07:37:22 PM »
Vaisteen,
With all due respect, how does he calling me CHICKEN help the Pinoy Musician? By the way, it was he who claimed first that it will beat titanium, the onus is on him to prove it.
You have onus now to prove what you claim that you can outmetal anyone here. Also, I can prove I can achieve an adequate metal sound with the settings I posted.
1) A lot of people say that TONE IS IN THE HANDS, yet the number one thread here is POST YOUR GEAR PICS HERE. How come there is no POST YOUR HANDS/FINGERS THREAD?
How come you don't show us how you good you can be? - Your logic derived from above.
Mr. Gomez, I am really tired of your useless, inane, "I can afford tone" posts. I really can't imagine why some people keep defending you and saying you are nice person. Please let us not remind the members of that debate you had with a member who waited for you twice on a similar challenge but you didn't show up. You can behind your amps all you want. The truth is, people here know what kind of person you really are.
I vote to close this thread. From a forumite asking simple tips on how to achieve the metal sound, it has turned to this.
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: coolaxer on October 03, 2009, 09:40:49 AM
omg :-D
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: frivers on October 03, 2009, 09:58:07 AM
I do believe in what you said that its the amps that carry a metal sound. All of them are tube because they have a certain softer quality to the level of distortion and drive that solid state amps and pedals CANNOT get. And I find solid state stuff harsh compared to driving the preamp distortion of these high gain amps which are designed for metal from the ground up. The other reason, I have choices for so called metal amps is that each amp has a unique voicing like there are numerous metal pedals with unique voicings too. So, its not a matter of just prescribed settings because there are different flavors of metal. The other recent discovery I have is that the cabinet design and material has a very very very large effect on the sound for metal -- more important than pickups I would say. For metal, nothing beats an amp and speaker cabinet combination. Its a simple BUT expensive set up. Notice that majority of the so-called known metal guys do NOT use a solid state pedal with word 'metal' ? At best, to my horror, they have boost pedals in front of their 'metal' amps.
So here is a rundown of my 'metal' amps:
Diezel Herbert -- killer third channel for modern metal rhythms ... rated at 180 watts tube with an ability to switch tubes to 6550s or KT 88s to yield 300 watts tube. Also, has a lovable Channel 2 plus that sounds like a real tricked out marshall on steroids. Very flexible contour knob that does scooped metal so well all the way up to a fat elevated mid range. It terms of voicing it has a unique but slight compression and midrange that is nice to hear.
Excerpt description of the third channel from tone merchants: "The third channel is the fire-breathing monster that we've come to expect out of this long-awaited masterpiece. From 80's metal to saturated fat shred lead sounds to the most intense over-the-top detuned Nu-Metal and ultra fast doomsday death metal sounds, the Herbert dishes out some of the gnarliest, some of the most menacing, some of the biggest and some of the punchiest distortion sound EVER from a guitar amplifier. "
"From here, you flick the gain/voicing switch to "plus" and observe the Herbert morph into the brighter Marshall-like territoty with more punch and definition while retaining warmth in the midrange. It's not quite the 3rd channel of the VH4, but it was never meant to mimic the 3rd channel of that amp. With some tweaking, I was able to simulate some early-VH-esque sounds. With the gain cranked, the 2nd channel delves into the 80's metal sounds -- think Ozzy, Motley Crue, Whitesnake, etc. The Herbert's second channel can cover decades' worth of classic sounds on its own. Always toneful with a throaty midrange, this is the channel that will surprise many Diezel fans. Peter has allowed you to dial in some great low-to-medium gain sounds with more punch and definition on the bottom. I really love the fact that the Herbert can get some very nice classic rock sounds as well after these tweaks performed by Peter.
The third channel is heavy on the gain but very sweet sounding with a lot of cutting mids. This channel is superb for all-out shred a la Shawn Lane and Buckethead and over-the-top pummeling Nu-Metal rhythms and super fast Death Metal riffs. Still featuring a super fast transient attack that slowly and surely evolves into a pleasant sponginess, this channel exhibits remarkable tonal balance and tactile response with touch sensitivity. With the gain at around 1 o'clock, the treble at 2 o'clock, the mid at 3 o'clock and the bass at around noon, you get a juicy yet tight and liquid high-gain sound that's perfect for that Satriani, Vai, Petrucci sort of a sound"
Bogner Uberschall (Version 1) -- Another flexible and killer lead channel for rhythms... It is more open sounding with that fat and juicy Bogner mid range. This is what I call a fat metal sound. It also has droning overtones in the bass register which is perfect for down tuning.
Excerpt from Bogner Website "we then unleash mayhem with the Five-Mega Ton SUPER AGGRESSIVE high gain channel with gain, bass, middle, treble, volume and presence controls. You think you've heard BASS before, no way, the UBERSCHALL will shatter your rib-cage, you better put 911 on speed dial! Even with extreme gain and volume this channel stays massively focused and resists mushing out from the heaviest right-hand attack. Have some other crazy effects? Put them through the Tube buffered effects loop. Power comes from a throaty EL34 output section.
Go ahead, try and hide from the UBERSCHALL it will seek you out, relentlessly, while you sleep, in this life and the next... But all will soon embrace the UBERSCHALL and we will wonder how anyone tried to play Standard tuning, 7 String or Dropped low tuning guitar without it"
VHT Ultralead Pitbull - It does tight 80s thrash metal and punch to boot -- gotta love that built in graphic EQ that does not add any noise. It can sound really stiff but with the right guitar it gets a sharp and focused sound.
Excerpt from Tone Merchants & Fryette website "The flagship of the Pittbull line, the Ultra-Lead now features Gain-Stacking in the Lead and Rhythm channels. Preset your channel gains for subtle, biting clean, robust, chunky rhythm, or searing, pummeling overdrive, then let the footswitch do the rest. The cleanest, quietest effects loop in the world just got better with the addition of a switchable parallel mode. Mix the true amp sound with your favorite effect or process the entire pre-amp signal. The choice is yours. This head also features a Graphic EQ section for those wanting to kick in a scooped death metal sound or an ultra fat lead sound with extra mids."
"The Pittbull Ultra-Lead is a powerful, yet extremely versatile amplifier well suited for players of any style who are unafraid to own center stage. Uncompromising personality has made this amplifier the top choice of world class players from all genres of music. The Ultra-Lead's KT88 power section provides stunning clarity and definition whether playing clean or at maximum gain. The low and medium gain sounds are balanced and spacious, while the clean tones can be pristine, chunky, crisp or edgy. The wide range of sounds is limited only by your imagination."
Soldano SLO 100 -- Still my favorite of the bunch because it can do 80s to early 90s metal. Love the crunch sound. The sound is defined and yet open. Its a very expressive,revealing and touch responsive amp. In fact, it can be unforgiving specially for first timers -- Ibanez Guitar guys into multi-effects units beware because it really will reveal your technique if you plug straight. Another trick I learned to maximize its sound is to pair it up with Vintage 30s with the correctly designed and made cabinet. This smoothens out the sometimes over top upper mid cut of the Vintage 30s.
Excerpt from Soldano website: "The 100 watt SUPER LEAD OVERDRIVE is the amplifier that has set the standard for high gain tube distortion. Unchanged in over fifteen years, it remains the unmatched benchmark for modern lead guitar tone and amplifier quality."
Soldano Hot Rod 50 -- Voiced after SLO? Not really exact. Its more compressed. Its not as hi-fi or revealing and its very strong in the midrange. I like using it for shred instrumentals because its easier to play than the SLO.
Marshall 30th Anniversary Head (Not in Picture) -- I like its third channel for thrash and deathmetal because it has a really defined and chunky sound which is not too over the top. You could say that less gain is actually more.
Excerpt from Marshall -- "LEAD is what channel 3 is all about. This channel has a switch for two gain alternatives. The first, a smoldering saturation, is preset to the channel. The other is a searing gain boost that shoots screaming solos beyond the limits of any previous sonic experience. Besides awesome gain, Marshall includes a mid-shift selector to transform the middle control into an expansive "contour" control. Where other high-gain amps turn muddy and lose definition, the 30th anniversary model tonal shaping helps you to retain the definition that articulates every note."
Marshall JCM 900 SLX (Not in Picture) -- If I ever needed to do 90s Anthrax, this would be the amp to use. The distortion in this amp should have been designed into the whole JCM 900 line. Too bad. It goes a step further from the JCM 800 series but retaining the clarity and definition with more crunch and punch.
Excerpt from Marshall -- "Produced during the 1990's, the JCM 900 Mark IV SL-X (Super Lead X-tended) amp was an evolutionary link in the Marshall Master Volume series. By adding an extra ECC 83 (12AX7A) valve, Marshall engineers created a gain-drenched front end that combined twin gain controls, from 0-10, and another that went all the way to 20!"
I still have a list of more 'metal' sounding amps to buy. I appreciate them because I plug straight and I rely on their tube preamps to generate the drive and distortion I need.
dame mo ngang gamit nakakabilib at nakakaingit pero bigyan mo ng justice mga gamit mo wag puro yabang, wag puro explanation ang gawin mo, idemo mo para manahimik kame. maraming metal players ang hindi kasing yaman o mayaman katulad mo pero siguradong kayang kaya ka nila ilampaso.
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: angeloesteban14 on October 03, 2009, 09:59:06 AM
dame mo ngang gamit nakakabilib at nakakaingit pero bigyan mo ng justice mga gamit mo wag puro yabang, wag puro explanation ang gawin mo, idemo mo para manahimik kame. maraming metal players ang hindi kasing yaman o mayaman katulad mo pero siguradong kayang kaya ka nila ilampaso.
+1000, sir frivers, pakitaan mo nga ng metal riffs :evil:
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: frivers on October 03, 2009, 10:05:01 AM
+1000, sir frivers, pakitaan mo nga ng metal riffs :evil:
haha naku metal ako pero i dont consider myself magaling sa ibang tao dahil madame mas magaling. pero i can always make demos sa mga metal riffs ko humina hina lang ulan gagawa ako ng vid demo try ko mamaya hehe.
dito sa site namen sa www.myspace.com/painscaleband my mga songs kame at vids na ako gumawa ng halos lahat ng riffs, di mahal ang mga gamit namen pero nadeliver naman namen ang gusto nameng tunog. and sa lahat my value kame na stay humble
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: angeloesteban14 on October 03, 2009, 10:07:12 AM
haha naku metal ako pero i dont consider myself magaling sa ibang tao dahil madame mas magaling. pero i can always make demos sa mga metal riffs ko humina hina lang ulan gagawa ako ng vid demo try ko mamaya hehe.
dito sa site namen sa www.myspace.com/painscaleband my mga songs kame at vids na ako gumawa ng halos lahat ng riffs, di mahal ang mga gamit namen pero nadeliver naman namen ang gusto nameng tunog. and sa lahat my value kame na stay humble
tama, dapat maging humble ang isang musician
astig talaga Schecter Synyster Gates mo :evil:
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: frivers on October 03, 2009, 10:08:57 AM
dame mo ngang gamit nakakabilib at nakakaingit pero bigyan mo ng justice mga gamit mo wag puro yabang, wag puro explanation ang gawin mo, idemo mo para manahimik kame. maraming metal players ang hindi kasing yaman o mayaman katulad mo pero siguradong kayang kaya ka nila ilampaso.
oo nga kht mt2 lang kung magaling naman gumagamit eh wla parin sinabi yung magagarang gears :-D
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: Boosted on October 03, 2009, 10:43:31 AM
hayy.. eto nanaman tayo.. :D bos alex i wanna try your herbert im saving up for a vh4 kc para may idea ako :)
hi guys, here's a clip of a mesa dual rec and a bogner uberschall in a bi amp setup :) not too metally na super scooped mids but i think its good enough naman. sakto lang na maririnig at mararamdaman, hehehe i think gain on the amp ndi lumagpas ng 1 oclock.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEOhNm5F97I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEOhNm5F97I) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQNVnrtCVNA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQNVnrtCVNA)
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: donard on October 03, 2009, 10:48:46 AM
Skunky, you might want to change your statement. It wasn't a smiley, it was an obnoxious, sarcastic laugh.
And Mr. Gomez, let me set the record straight, I first challenged you to show off your "gear" in a recording studio.
(Nope, I first challenged you to come over to my house. You want studio? Lets fly to New York. I will book ultrasound rehearsal A for as long as you want. No local stuff. Just the two of us if you want studio. I will pay for the recording.)
Many members volunteered their services to record the event. You balked, because of your "conditions". I even offered to pay for the studio, I even had one of the best ones on standby. You said, no. It was you that chickened out.
This is what you said on August 22, 7:14am:
I will agree to the studio challenge if: 1. There is no audio and video for the main reason that it will not capture the important elements that define good sounding equipment. (Yup this is still my position. If you want to hear them just come over. Its that simple.) 2. No BAMF blind test rules but rather invite 10 known guitarist to test my equipment against yours. Then you can video their review of the equipment. (Yup, kung nasa stage ka ba double blind test ang tugtog mo?) That being said: You are still welcome to come over with your guitar and amp to my house. Lets get the facts straight. This wasn't about my gear or my playing, it was about yours. See Link (http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,146834.75.html)
How about using your logic:
Re: Scalarizer Thread « Reply #885 on: February 17, 2007, 07:37:22 PM »
Vaisteen,
With all due respect, how does he calling me CHICKEN help the Pinoy Musician? (I said you chickened out and I didn't mean you were part of the poultry livestock.) By the way, it was he who claimed first that it will beat titanium, the onus is on him to prove it. (Hah hah... Just ask the guys producing titanium if you don't believe me. It does have an effect -- a desirable one at that at least on my guitars.)
You have onus now to prove what you claim that you can outmetal anyone here. Also, I can prove I can achieve an adequate metal sound with the settings I posted. (LOL)
(Hah hah -- another misconception. You forgot to provide your amp settings and your guitar configuration. Adequate to who? Baka sa iyo lang sa set up mo.)
Also, you said this: How come you don't show us how you good you can be? - Your logic derived from above.
(Nothing to show about equipment -- its for people to try. I don't care about playing for you. Sino ka ba?)
Mr. Gomez, I am really tired of your useless, inane, "I can afford tone" posts. I really can't imagine why some people keep defending you and saying you are nice person. Please let us not remind the members of that debate you had with a member who waited for you twice on a similar challenge but you didn't show up. You can behind your amps all you want. The truth is, people here know what kind of person you really are.
(Actually, I cannot afford because I still have a long list. Again the challenge is simple, come over and try it for yourself. You try to overcomplicate things. Its for your benefit not mine. I eat, breathe and sleep on this equipment everyday.)
I vote to close this thread. From a forumite asking simple tips on how to achieve the metal sound, it has turned to this.
(Metal sounds are not as simple and are IN FACT more equipment dependent than so called 'hands'.)
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: aya_yuson on October 03, 2009, 11:10:32 AM
And in Alex/Firemodel's defense...
I sincerely don't think Alex intends to be offensive. He just happens to be very passionate about gear. And he does seem very knowledgeable about gear. Also - I must admit that his gear collection does seem quite formidable.
And I've heard from more than one person that Alex is a nice guy in person.
So maybe everyone can just lighten up a bit. :-)
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: firemodel55 on October 03, 2009, 11:29:24 AM
I sincerely don't think Alex intends to be offensive. He just happens to be very passionate about gear. And he does seem very knowledgeable about gear. Also - I must admit that his gear collection does seem quite formidable.
And I've heard from more than one person that Alex is a nice guy in person.
So maybe everyone can just lighten up a bit. :-)
Yup... Very passionate about this topic because god damn metal tones are so hard to get. But if you notice I try to prescribe less and less because as proven by your example -- its about playing.
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: firemodel55 on October 03, 2009, 11:38:07 AM
hayy.. eto nanaman tayo.. :D bos alex i wanna try your herbert im saving up for a vh4 kc para may idea ako :)
hi guys, here's a clip of a mesa dual rec and a bogner uberschall in a bi amp setup :) not too metally na super scooped mids but i think its good enough naman. sakto lang na maririnig at mararamdaman, hehehe i think gain on the amp ndi lumagpas ng 1 oclock.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEOhNm5F97I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEOhNm5F97I) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQNVnrtCVNA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQNVnrtCVNA)
Boosted, ideally, I would ask you to play thru both. You can ask Cris but I think he prefers his Bogner over the Mesa sans the honeymoon period with new gear. In my experience, as much as I tried so so so very hard to like the Dual Rectifier Series, it just doesn't sound as pleasing to the ear as either Diezel or Bogner. There are nuances with each amp that are NOT captured by the clips that WILL MAKE OR BREAK a purchase. I can only describe the sound of the VH4 in reference to my Herbert. When I went back to Ultrasound Rehearsal over a year ago, I had to recalibrate my ears to the room and the other amps by playing on the Herbert at Ultrasound. Then, I plugged into the VH4 but it was really an extensive test of the VH4 because I was just checking voicings to identify the unique Diezel voicing signature which was there for both amps. Even today, the sound you heard before will not be the same because I changed cabinets -- even though only the cabinets changed with exactly the same Celestions you heard before, its a whole new dimension to all the amps I have. Please feel free to come by anytime.
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: aya_yuson on October 03, 2009, 11:45:40 AM
Pero t_ngina - hanep yung kotse ni Cris/Boosted. :-)
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: marc_wylde on October 03, 2009, 12:08:01 PM
oo nga kht mt2 lang kung magaling naman gumagamit eh wla parin sinabi yung magagarang gears :-D
Sir kragz the way you said this parang ang low end naman ng MT-2. :cry: :cry: Hehe deh biro lang. :-D "If you are not tight, out of tune, or both, not even the most expensive sound equipment in the world can make you sound good."
(Honga pala.. Kawawa naman yung threadstarter nito na nagtatanong lang kung pano niyo makuha yung metal sound niyo tapos yung iba na satin dito nag aargue na.. :-()
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: Letour on October 03, 2009, 12:10:41 PM
Lets see who is chicken.
To refresh our memories, let people read how "good" you really are:
Hindi naman nag brownout eh! Sabi kagabi magbbrownout?! :|
Oops! :-o Wrong thread. :oops:
:lol:Sir kragz the way you said this parang ang low end naman ng MT-2. :cry: :cry: Hehe deh biro lang. :-D "If you are not tight, out of tune, or both, not even the most expensive sound equipment in the world can make you sound good."
(Honga pala.. Kawawa naman yung threadstarter nito na nagtatanong lang kung pano niyo makuha yung metal sound niyo tapos yung iba na satin dito nag aargue na.. :-()
parang low end nga yung dating nung mt2 compare sa ano ni pepeng :-D
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: donard on October 03, 2009, 02:21:32 PM
kung meron na po gantong thread paki lock nalang po
just dropped by. :-D
try this chain pare...
booster/overdrive pedal -> main highgain distrotion pedal -> eq. or amp/cab simulator pedal -> amp
daming pedal pwedeng gamitin sa chain na ganito... for booster you can use TS9, SD1, MXR MICROAMP etc.. kahit huwag kanang mag booster kung naka active yung pickups mo... for your main highgain pedal, well the guys here have almost said it all... you can use an amp simulator kapag pangit yung amp na ipapagamit sayo sa bar...
ikaw na bahala magtimpla sa mga settings ng pedal mo kase depende naman sa taste mo yun e... good luck sa pagexplore ng tone mo pare... out nako.. \m/ :-D
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: peabrain12789 on October 03, 2009, 06:05:15 PM
HOW TO GET SOME REALLY FREAKIN METAL SOUND:
GO TO A MACHINE SHOP....
YOULL HEAR A LOT OF:
HAMMER BENDS GRIND EVEN DRILLS TOO...
SO HOWS THAT?
HOPE IT HELPS....
HEHE loosen up... let's just ignore what is happening here and let's focus helping our dude here to achieve his METAL SOUND...
:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: Boosted on October 03, 2009, 07:09:06 PM
share ko lang, nung thursday we played at a benefit concert, ung raise the roof. Gnamit ko is pocket pod lang na rekta sa house/p.a. Wala nang amp amp.. Try nyo bsta maganda ung p.a sa lugar. (soundcraft ung gamit nila sa venue 12m daw un board palang. Haha) depende na lang sa timpla..
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: CARABAO on October 03, 2009, 07:35:19 PM
share ko lang, nung thursday we played at a benefit concert, ung raise the roof. Gnamit ko is pocket pod lang na rekta sa house/p.a. Wala nang amp amp.. Try nyo bsta maganda ung p.a sa lugar. (soundcraft ung gamit nila sa venue 12m daw un board palang. Haha) depende na lang sa timpla..
chris, pano mo narinig yung sarili mo kung sa board ka naka rekta? may monitors kang matino? problema ko with this kind of setup is that most bars dont have decent monitors. tapos hindi mo rin alam kung pano ang bato ng mga tech sa overall level mo sa venue. wala lang. may way ba para maging okay tong sitwasyon? kasi kung meron, i'll bring my preamp na lang kung ganun :) thanks :D
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: dontan on October 03, 2009, 07:51:06 PM
sa akin turo ni bryan arzaga for percussive metal sounds more ka sa mid lessen mo ung treble mo
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: Boxedking on October 03, 2009, 08:01:29 PM
sa akin turo ni bryan arzaga for percussive metal sounds more ka sa mid lessen mo ung treble mo
ganon din kadalasan timpla ko. para kasi sakin, mas litaw or mas ok yun blend mo sa mix with more mids. but, it still depends kung pano rin ang timpla ng mix mo, kung warm or bright ba.
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: Boosted on October 03, 2009, 10:59:12 PM
chris, pano mo narinig yung sarili mo kung sa board ka naka rekta? may monitors kang matino? problema ko with this kind of setup is that most bars dont have decent monitors. tapos hindi mo rin alam kung pano ang bato ng mga tech sa overall level mo sa venue. wala lang. may way ba para maging okay tong sitwasyon? kasi kung meron, i'll bring my preamp na lang kung ganun :) thanks :D
hi greg, :) medyo malupit ung monitors/p.a dun sa event kaya ok naman lumabas.. and kinausap ko muna ung tech dun sa venue bout my setup.. sabi nya sha na daw bahala. :) gumawa lang ako ng cable na may male xlr, tapos tinanggal ko ung mic cable dun ko kinabit. :) cguro kung tinatamad ka mag dala ng gamit sa maliit na lugar ok na ung set up na un (i.e magnet katipunan) senyasan mo na lang ung tech na lakasan ka pag mahina for you :) hope this helps!
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: Boosted on October 03, 2009, 11:07:28 PM
hi greg, :) medyo malupit ung monitors/p.a dun sa event kaya ok naman lumabas.. and kinausap ko muna ung tech dun sa venue bout my setup.. sabi nya sha na daw bahala. :) gumawa lang ako ng cable na may male xlr, tapos tinanggal ko ung mic cable dun ko kinabit. :) cguro kung tinatamad ka mag dala ng gamit sa maliit na lugar ok na ung set up na un (i.e magnet katipunan) senyasan mo na lang ung tech na lakasan ka pag mahina for you :) hope this helps!
ahhh! Sige pare,ill keep that in mind.dapat talaga alamin ko mna setup sa bar pag ganun.salamat chris!kita kits na lang ulit sa LOA!ingat!
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: paranoid on October 04, 2009, 04:32:26 PM
What metal specifically?
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Post by: donard on October 04, 2009, 04:52:26 PM
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: Hellghast on October 05, 2009, 12:09:19 PM
OD3 and METALCORE!!!!!!!!!!!! :-D plus lots of bass and mids tapos konting treble. para naiintindihan parin kahit coplex at mabilis ang riff work without loosing it's "heavy flavour".
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: paranoid on October 05, 2009, 09:15:56 PM
OD3 and METALCORE!!!!!!!!!!!! :-D plus lots of bass and mids tapos konting treble. para naiintindihan parin kahit coplex at mabilis ang riff work without loosing it's "heavy flavour".
Question sir! :-) ano ba yung characteristic nung sound na binibigay nung boss metalcore? marami ding nagrerecommend sakin e..
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: paranoid on October 05, 2009, 10:15:54 PM
The sound of the Metal Core is common for nu-metal. And yeah, it's digital. :-D
also good for grind core riff work. good thing about this is that it can still cut through even on a very noisy and angry drummer blast beating the hell out of the listeners. hehe
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: Alcoholicarl on October 07, 2009, 07:33:06 AM
try rocktron rampage distortion + boss SD-1 + Any EQ mas malaking CHUG CHUG yan. haha.
nakatry na ako niyan bro rampage + od3 +ge7 may demo pa ako chugchug kaso maingay eh.
maganda yung mga stand alone pedal na kahit walang od okei parin kasi pag may halong od hirap na ang mga noisegate etc mag control ng noise. well para lang sakin yan ehehehe
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: coolaxer on July 25, 2010, 08:15:19 PM
Matanong lang mga sir. Anung effects ba gamit ni Dimebag sa Cowboys from hell nya? di ko makuha yung ganung tunog sa pedal ko e
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: juan_augustus on July 25, 2010, 08:27:23 PM
Scoop mids + line6 uber metal = :evil:
or try MXR's dime distortion.
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: coolaxer on July 25, 2010, 08:32:46 PM
thanks!
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Post by: samuelfianza on July 25, 2010, 09:07:30 PM
Talagang for the win. I posted my vids of it sa Boogie Board. An owner of a Dual Rec was thinking of selling his Dual Rec for an Electradyne and Triple Wreck. Sabay nagjoke. Haha. Pero he said the pedal is really legit talaga. I believe he meant about the Triple Wreck capturing the Recto sound. In the vids I posted, I was just using a Marshall MG100.
I compared din sa recordings ng Road King Dual Rec, sobrang lapit. Promise. Ganda pa ng feel.
Also, an owner of a Roadster (dual rec) said it sounds scarily close. He owned one and owned the Triple Wreck.
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: daturd on July 26, 2010, 12:43:55 PM
:-D
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Post by: shredmaestrobri on July 26, 2010, 01:39:18 PM
may pedals din naman ako ha. Kaso puro mxr lang :-D hahaha, let me know when, ill bring mark 4. Now back to the topic! About metal sound
Ayus! ill bring my f-30 din. it takes pedals really well.
MXR? Don't tell me may Fullbore ka? Hahhahaha. Btw, mag Facebook ka na din! Mas madali magusap dun hahah!
as for the topic, I get mine either through a Barber Dirty Bomb, Wampler triple Wreck, or my Mesa F-30's contour channel.
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: fourth_cycle on July 27, 2010, 08:48:56 AM
hehe lahat nag reply dito mga metalista heheh \m/ \m/ yeah men!!!
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: alvinratsim on July 27, 2010, 12:32:58 PM
Anyway, i get my heaviest sound from my peavey 6505+ thru a marshall slanted cab. No effects \m/ and a guitar loaded with emgs \m/
@brian, i sold my ocd na. And yes my heaviest sound is from my peavey not from my marshalls. :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: coolaxer on November 28, 2010, 09:30:32 PM
anung line 6 yung nakakagawa ng metal sounds? may vid ako nakita sa youtube ng cocover ng metallica purong amp lang.
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: Jason on November 29, 2010, 08:52:38 AM
Sa G1X nakakapagmetal naman ako eh, pero gustong gusto ko talaga itry yung rectorizer or wamplers.
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: rolexm on November 29, 2010, 09:03:01 AM
Tube EQ + KFK 10band + ANY PEDAL + ANY 1X12
The pedals I usually use: 1. MV SH + Rave COS 2. Rectorizer 3. MV SH + MV SH
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: plugzzzz on November 29, 2010, 09:59:41 AM
rectorizer + (klone)<--use as a volume boost for lead only most of the time naka off lang
stand alone lang yung rectorizer
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: Freak on December 03, 2010, 10:04:59 PM
SH-13 :-D
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Post by: GASstation on December 03, 2010, 10:11:32 PM
mate with DEMON RIFFS! :x
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: yahoo! on December 03, 2010, 10:19:49 PM
this stomp will surely enhance the tone of your highgain pedals in no time. :wink: (http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,211342.msg2934236.html#msg2934236)
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: cayle on December 03, 2010, 10:26:23 PM
Barber Dirty Bomb, pero hindi max gain. Gain would be almost at 12-1oclock, then boosted before by my Okko diablo clone or the Super Sport set at a clean boost setting. :-D
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: coolaxer on December 03, 2010, 11:01:18 PM
ayus yuns iso ni sir yahoo ah.
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: yngwie09 on December 04, 2010, 02:02:56 AM
pano po ba magset ng amp kung metal sound ang gusto mo tapos ang gamit mong fx zoom707ii?help naman mga sirs..
Kung may effects loop yung amp, dun mo iconnect yung 707ii and start tweaking.
Kung sa input ng amp, ilagay mo muna sa 12 o'clock lahat ng EQ parameters nung amp then start to tweak your 707ii. Pag parang hindi mo makuha yung tunog mo, adjust mo na rin yung EQ ng amp.
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: KASALANAN on December 06, 2010, 11:00:55 AM
Im using a Barber Dirtybomb boosted by a modded Boss SD-1. date i use an EQ with it, kaya lang medyo sobra na pag may EQ :))
Dirtybomb: volume 12-1 oclock treble 1 oclock bass 4 oclock gain 12-1 oclock internal bass boost 3oclock mid setting far right switch
SD-1 volume 12-1 oclock tone 1 oclock gain 0
I dunno but mas maganda para saken kung boosted pa siya ng super overdrive. :-D
Title: Re: how do you get your metal sound
Post by: cayle on December 06, 2010, 12:33:34 PM