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Mga master's!
Baka may makatulong sakin :)
Currently DIY restoring a bass, Already stripped to wood
and ongoing sanding process. Bka may makapag bigay ng
advice kung anung finish ang pwede sa Alder body.
Going for a natural finish, upon searching the net nakita kong
magandang pang finish is Tru Oil, sadly wala akong makitang
mabilan dito sa pinas. Is ther any alternative to Tru oil to
achieve the same results? Any help would be very much appreciated :)
Thanks!!!
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Mga master's!
Baka may makatulong sakin :)
Currently DIY restoring a bass, Already stripped to wood
and ongoing sanding process. Bka may makapag bigay ng
advice kung anung finish ang pwede sa Alder body.
Going for a natural finish, upon searching the net nakita kong
magandang pang finish is Tru Oil, sadly wala akong makitang
mabilan dito sa pinas. Is ther any alternative to Tru oil to
achieve the same results? Any help would be very much appreciated :)
Thanks!!!
tung oil, maybe? alam ko yung Tru oil linseed oil, try to look for that one instead
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thanks sa reply sir!
baka may tip kayo sir kung saan mkkbili ng tung oil?
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Baka pwede Linseed oil... sa national bookstore(paint/drawing section) dati nakabili ako :)
Checkout this site about it:
http://unofficialwarmoth.com/index.php?topic=6540.0
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ay tlga sir, yung gngmit sa oil paint sir?
search ko nga din, sabi kasi yung tru oil boiled linseed oil
iwth additives ata hehehe
Thanks sa tulong sir!
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I think some eBay sellers are able to ship tung oil finish internationally.
There is also shellac/french polish. It's not durable, but easy to re-apply or remove altogether if you get tired of it.
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Minwax Wipe On Poly
Rob DiStefano of Cavalier pickups has detailed explanation on applying this:
http://www.cavalierpickups.com/frettech/
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Tung Oil is available at Wilcon Depot
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thanks sa tip sir!
makapag scout nga sa wilcon hehehe
question about sa linseed oil, pwede ba siya i boil? hehehe
kasi based sa net ang tru oil ay boiled linseed oil?
salamat ulit mga masters!
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thanks sa tip sir!
makapag scout nga sa wilcon hehehe
question about sa linseed oil, pwede ba siya i boil? hehehe
kasi based sa net ang tru oil ay boiled linseed oil?
salamat ulit mga masters!
IIRC yung tru oil ay mixture ng linseed at uncatalysed urethane. Make sure you prep properly, sand up to at least 400 or 600. If you slack off on this part you will regret it :-)
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IIRC yung tru oil ay mixture ng linseed at uncatalysed urethane. Make sure you prep properly, sand up to at least 400 or 600. If you slack off on this part you will regret it :-)
you can go finer, pero basta dapat sobrang kinis pwede mo dilaan :)
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copy sir's!
actually plan ko hngang 2000 grit
kasi natry ko na dun sa isang part, makinis tlga siya hehehe
hopefully after sanding makahanap agad ng tung, linseed or danish oil hehehe
thank's ulit sa advice mga master's!
kepp them coming hehehe
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post pics ng finished project after! ganda nyan!
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you can go finer, pero basta dapat sobrang kinis pwede mo dilaan :)
It should still be reasonably rough or else there won't be anything for the finish to get a "grip" on.
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It should still be reasonably rough or else there won't be anything for the finish to get a "grip" on.
issue ba yun pag oil finish? ako kasi hanggang 800 lang, super kinis na yun pero hindi sa level ng woodwork na super sanded. tumatanggap pa naman ng oil based stain. Pero pag higher kaya?
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issue ba yun pag oil finish? ako kasi hanggang 800 lang, super kinis na yun pero hindi sa level ng woodwork na super sanded. tumatanggap pa naman ng oil based stain. Pero pag higher kaya?
You're probably right. The wood will probably absorb the oil a bit before it hardens. How long did you wait for it to dry? How many coats did you make?
I advise against sanding too fine before finishing because I've seen a friend sand a guitar to 2000 before spraying only to find the lacquer fall off in flakes after a few months. I just assumed the oil might rub off easily.
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You're probably right. The wood will probably absorb the oil a bit before it hardens. How long did you wait for it to dry? How many coats did you make?
I advise against sanding too fine before finishing because I've seen a friend sand a guitar to 2000 before spraying only to find the lacquer fall off in flakes after a few months. I just assumed the oil might rub off easily.
Stain lang naman sya then poly, two coats of stain tapos three coats of poly. Di naman ako umabot ng 2000 I imagine sobrang kinis nun kahit ata stain irereject nya. May drum hoop ako na 1000 ko sinand, hindi masyado kumapit yung stain, at parang hindi kakapit yung poly nang maayos.
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i see,
so mga 600 grit before applying the oil will do?
buti nsa 200 grit stage palang ako hehehe,
and anu masasabi niyo mga sir dun sa applying the oil
with sanding paper? base net, recommended siya para
mafill yung grains will applying the oil? though nakita ko
yun using Tru oil. Will it have the same purpose/effect
kung gagamit ako ng tung oil or danish oil?
again, maraming salamat sa mga tips sir!
will try ko post the ongong project pag natapos na 1 stage ng sanding hehehe
keep them coming!
thanks!!!!
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i see,
so mga 600 grit before applying the oil will do?
buti nsa 200 grit stage palang ako hehehe,
and anu masasabi niyo mga sir dun sa applying the oil
with sanding paper? base net, recommended siya para
mafill yung grains will applying the oil? though nakita ko
yun using Tru oil. Will it have the same purpose/effect
kung gagamit ako ng tung oil or danish oil?
again, maraming salamat sa mga tips sir!
will try ko post the ongong project pag natapos na 1 stage ng sanding hehehe
keep them coming!
thanks!!!!
not sure about this, pero kung nasa 200 grit stage ka na, I think it's a good idea to apply sanding sealer, then you can go to 400 or 600 before applying the oil. If 400 is smooth enough for you (no sanding sealer) you can stop there, I think 800 might be too much. di kasi ako gumagamit ng sanding sealer coz I like the grain being uneven (natural look ba), so I don't know if it will pose any issue when using oil finishes. nagrerepel kasi ng wood stain yung sanding sealer kaya di ko sure.
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same here sir, i'm not planning to use the sanding sealer
goal to talaga yung tipong natural finish. I think i will go up to
600 grit as per your advice sir, hopefully maging ok ang results hehe
additional question sir, same process din ba sa neck???
and anu ginagawa ninyo sa mga cavities?
gngmitan pa ng paint or yung parang aluminum tape?
again thanks for all this advice!!! Very big help!!!
Keep them coming :)
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same here sir, i'm not planning to use the sanding sealer
goal to talaga yung tipong natural finish. I think i will go up to
600 grit as per your advice sir, hopefully maging ok ang results hehe
additional question sir, same process din ba sa neck???
and anu ginagawa ninyo sa mga cavities?
gngmitan pa ng paint or yung parang aluminum tape?
again thanks for all this advice!!! Very big help!!!
Keep them coming :)
Ok din yung sanding sealer for certain woods to "even out" the grain, like the basswood drums I worked on, maraming "soft" spots kaya naaabsorb masyado yung stain na ginamit ko. although I chose not to use sanding sealer so it kinda looks like beef more than wood, it may work better for you. di ko lang alam sa alder, I don't own any alder wood :lol:
sa cavities you can choose not to oil it, and if you plan on using aluminum tape, don't bother oiling the cavities, di naman makikita :lol: kung kita galing sa labas (ala ringless humbuckers), it's worth the effort to oil it
@free2rock pag oil finish ba kailangan ng sanding between coats?
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Try using egg white as sanding sealer. Use the egg yolk to make leche flan. :-D
http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/custom-shop/207264-egg-white-varnish.html
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(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab117/JillardGuitars/IMG_1328.jpg)
:drool:
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Try using egg white as sanding sealer. Use the egg yolk to make leche flan. :-D
http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/custom-shop/207264-egg-white-varnish.html
tatandaan ko yung tip na to! para everytime may babarnisan ako may snacks ako :lol:
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Dying to try this out. I'll post it the results when I get to it hehe
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Ayus yun ha!!!
So meaning nito sir, yung egg white na ang mag act as sealer???
Then after that pwede na lagyan ng oil? If i understand it correctly :)
it's like, sand it up to like 400 grit, egg white wash, overnight dry
sand it up to 600 grit, then oil finish? do you think this egg white wash
is worth the try? pwede bang sand down sa lower grit kung sakaling
pumalkpak ako dito hehehe.
Again, very much appreciated help mga master!
Keep them coming!
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Pwede i-sand off syempre. (y)
Good luck :-D
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good luck, and pics! :-D
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sana d maupod ang body kaka sand ko hehehe
wish me luck sir's!
Hopefully masubukan ko this weekend hehehe
need muna tlga mprepare yung wood ng maayus bago
itlugan hehehe
salamat ulit mga master's!
Keep the advice coming!!!
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sana d maupod ang body kaka sand ko hehehe
wish me luck sir's!
Hopefully masubukan ko this weekend hehehe
need muna tlga mprepare yung wood ng maayus bago
itlugan hehehe
salamat ulit mga master's!
Keep the advice coming!!!
ay nabasa ako somewhere pag nag sand ka by hand tapos napapaso ka na sa init, you're sanding too hard! :-o
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Oh and use a sanding block. A wood block will do for flat surfaces. Styrofoam for curves.
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Oh and use a sanding block. A wood block will do for flat surfaces. Styrofoam for curves.
I don't know this! Much too late, tapos na ako magrefinish ng drums! :eek:
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I don't know this! Much too late, tapos na ako magrefinish ng drums! :eek:
Hahahaha! There's always next time bro!
Styrofoam is great! Helps with blending the carves, too. Pwede rin rubber eraser.
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k299/sa_karinka/JG%20Build%20Thread/SAM_0482_zpssitnti8j.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k299/sa_karinka/Nickson%20Les%20Paul/SAM_0450_zpsyw3v6w8v.jpg)
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Hahahaha! There's always next time bro!
Styrofoam is great! Helps with blending the carves, too. Pwede rin rubber eraser.
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k299/sa_karinka/JG%20Build%20Thread/SAM_0482_zpssitnti8j.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k299/sa_karinka/Nickson%20Les%20Paul/SAM_0450_zpsyw3v6w8v.jpg)
hwaaaaw nice! :cute:
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hwaaaaw nice! :cute:
Thanks! Sorry sa threadjack, TS! LOL
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Nice project sir!
Hindi ko pa nasubukan ang White Egg wash hehehe
hindi ko pa natapos ang sanding nung weekend hehehe
Will post some pics after ko matry ang egg wash
Thanks ulit mga sir!
PS: Hirap pala maghanap ng Tung or Danish oil
puro polyurethane ang binebenta sa MC hehe
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Nice project sir!
Hindi ko pa nasubukan ang White Egg wash hehehe
hindi ko pa natapos ang sanding nung weekend hehehe
Will post some pics after ko matry ang egg wash
Thanks ulit mga sir!
PS: Hirap pala maghanap ng Tung or Danish oil
puro polyurethane ang binebenta sa MC hehe
stain+poly isnt a bad finish either :)) pero malayo sa natural ang lalabas, unless meant to be yung stain at wood color at grain mo :lol:
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actually i was thinking of staining the wood sir,
medyo light walnut siguro to compliment the color of the
frets, tipong relic type na kasi yung condition ng frets e hehehe
kaya parang mas bagay kung medyo dark color ang body.
Madali ba apply yung wipe on poly sir? and i saw meron silang
semi gloss and matte finish. And so i s go with poly finish, is
this the right step?
1. Egg Wash
2. Stain
3. Poly
And 1 more thing, i saw something in the net, what they are doing is
staining the sanding dust then using it as a grain filler? Para mas
lumabas daw yung mga grains? Is the grain filler different from the
sealer? Dami dapat pagaralan hehehe, kaya every tip ninyo sir's
is a very big help for me :)
btw, great project sir sonic! ang galing, inaantabayan ko dun sa thread mo hehehe
nkkuha din ako dun ng mga tricks and tips hehehe
thanks again sir's! Keep them coming!
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actually i was thinking of staining the wood sir,
medyo light walnut siguro to compliment the color of the
frets, tipong relic type na kasi yung condition ng frets e hehehe
kaya parang mas bagay kung medyo dark color ang body.
Madali ba apply yung wipe on poly sir? and i saw meron silang
semi gloss and matte finish. And so i s go with poly finish, is
this the right step?
1. Egg Wash
2. Stain
3. Poly
And 1 more thing, i saw something in the net, what they are doing is
staining the sanding dust then using it as a grain filler? Para mas
lumabas daw yung mga grains? Is the grain filler different from the
sealer? Dami dapat pagaralan hehehe, kaya every tip ninyo sir's
is a very big help for me :)
btw, great project sir sonic! ang galing, inaantabayan ko dun sa thread mo hehehe
nkkuha din ako dun ng mga tricks and tips hehehe
thanks again sir's! Keep them coming!
didn't know of the sanding dust trick, I'll go see how that looks :)
pero tama:
sanding sealer/egg wash > stain > poly
not sure about wipe-on poly, I used regular poly on my drums. I brush it on, make an even coat, let dry, sand, coat again. pag brush on poly, it's best to use natural fiber brushes, and never the foam ones. Sa plastic fiber brush kasi kita yung stroke, sa foam naman prone to bubbles. don't expect a lacquer type finish with poly though! parang kahoy pa rin yan, na may thin shiny (or matte) layer. oil finish is more "organic" so to say, parang wet look na kahoy.
kay free2rock ata yung project na tinutukoy mo :lol:
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ay! uu nga, kay free2rock pla ehehe
sorry about that sir!
kapag ba na stain sir need pa talaga poly or oil finish?
given na oil based na ang stain?
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ay! uu nga, kay freetorock pla ehehe
sorry about that sir!
kapag ba na stain sir need pa talaga poly or oil finish?
given na oil based na ang stain?
well, yes. ang kaso kasi pag manipis lang yung stain mo, as in literal wipe on-wipe off, pag nagasgas, lilitaw agagd yung original color ng wood mo kahit kuko lang ang ipangkaskas mo. pag binabad mo naman sa stain, manunuot ng mas malalim yung stain, pero magiging masyado dark. and in either case, considered bare wood yan kasi unlike finishing oils, ang stain hindi naghaharden, kaya kailangan ng poly. personally ayoko ng varnish kasi "warm" for my taste :lol:
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now i know! thanks sir!
sana talga makahanap ang oil finish!!!
Either tung or danish oil siguro hehehe
What do you mean by "varnish" sir? Is poly a varnish?
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now i know! thanks sir!
sana talga makahanap ang oil finish!!!
Either tung or danish oil siguro hehehe
What do you mean by "varnish" sir? Is poly a varnish?
well, technically speaking, poly is also atype of varnish, using a petrochemical base. but "normal/natural" varnish is a combination of oils and resin and thinners, so basically it's like an oil finish with additives. :) natural varnish tends to have a much yellower tint than poly, which I personally don't like (because I like bluer hues like walnut, vs a similarly dark but warmer mahogany)
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Sorry but pa-rewind lang po saglit...
How do you use styro as a sanding block for curves?
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i see, dami pala talaga dapat pagaralan hehehe
thanks ulit sa tulong sir sonic!
hunting mode na ako para sa mga oil finishes hehehe
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Show some pictures Before and After...
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There used to be Tung-Oil available at Hahn Manila. Pero maliliit na bottles lang for use sa gun stocks. Not sure kung meron pa. Baka sa ibang gun stores meron.
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meron na ako mga before and after ng sanding
hindi lang mkpost ng pics kasi blocked dito sa office
ang mga photosharing websites hehehe
currently nasa sanding stage parin hehehe
nawalan ng oras after ng office hours
nagtawag na ako sa mga Hahn Manila, unfortunately wala na sila ng Tru-oil
pero hindi ko natanong kung meron din silang Tung oil and schedule ko din
kung kailan ako mag-scout sa mga gun store sa makati cinema square hehehe
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There used to be Tung-Oil available at Hahn Manila. Pero maliliit na bottles lang for use sa gun stocks. Not sure kung meron pa. Baka sa ibang gun stores meron.
OT: for some reason gun stock finishing is a big deal with gun owners. I'm not a gun owner but I do appreciate them for appreciating fine craftsmanship for tung oil to be synonymous with gunstock oil :)
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i agree with you sir sonic, kaya nakakapag taka kung bakit wala silang stock nung Tru-oil hehehe
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PS: Hirap pala maghanap ng Tung or Danish oil
puro polyurethane ang binebenta sa MC hehe
Try mo Wilcon. Dun ako nakakita.
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May tanong ako kay sir free2rock:
kunwari papa-illustrate ko yung gitara ko ng sharpie, magbbleed ba sya pag ginamitan ko ng oil finish o kaya poly?
kung hand painted kaya (as in may painting, hindi lang pininturahan), pwede rin lagyan ng poly?
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ayun! thanks sa tip sir free2rock!
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May tanong ako kay sir free2rock:
kunwari papa-illustrate ko yung gitara ko ng sharpie, magbbleed ba sya pag ginamitan ko ng oil finish o kaya poly?
kung hand painted kaya (as in may painting, hindi lang pininturahan), pwede rin lagyan ng poly?
I don't recommend applying the sealer by hand kung ganun. Magbi-bleed yun. Not sure sa oil finish though. Applicable ang number one rule sa DIY/luthiery: TEST ON SCRAP
:-D
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I don't recommend applying the sealer by hand kung ganun. Magbi-bleed yun. Not sure sa oil finish though. Applicable ang number one rule sa DIY/luthiery: TEST ON SCRAP
:-D
simple but wise rule :)) sige sir maghahanap muna ako ng scrap wood :)
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mga sir's! here i am again hehehe
i saw this sa net
http://www.chicagomusicexchange.com/collections/fender/products/fender-p-bass-natural-1977-s668
And i as of now i'm aiming to get the same body finish as this fender hehehe
Question, what kind of finish is on this fender? it said that this is ash
do you think it's a stain + poly finish? Or this is the natural color of an ash wood with poly?
Can i achieve this same color with my alder wood if i'm planning to use oil finish?
If it's stained, what color of stain shall i use to achieve the same color?
thanks in advance masters!
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Parang yun na ata yun, just the wood and varnish/poly.
If your wood is darker, you can't stain it, as stain is subtractive.
If your wood is lighter, go find a piece of scrap wood or a drum stick (I like drum sticks, they're dense) that is really close to the color of your wood and bring it to the hardware store to get an approximation of the color you might get. Approximation because the density, grain, and color of the wood will affect how and how much stain will be absorbed.
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Ash is lighter in color. The guitar is in a natural finish (clear poly most likely). Alder has a much richer color than Ash (but not too much, I'll see if I can post a pic sude by side to show you what I mean). I know wood bleach exists but not sure if it's locally available.
I have used regular bleach to de-oxidize wood when I've good too far in aging it. I don't think it will work to lighten Alder to Ash-like colors.
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Ash is lighter in color. The guitar is in a natural finish (clear poly most likely). Alder has a much richer color than Ash (but not too much, I'll see if I can post a pic sude by side to show you what I mean). I know wood bleach exists but not sure if it's locally available.
I have used regular bleach to de-oxidize wood when I've good too far in aging it. I don't think it will work to lighten Alder to Ash-like colors.
pag wood bleach parang yung binaba mo lang yung color value nung wood (parang saturation slider sa instagram), pero hindi mo maiiba yung color nya mismo. Magumukha sigurong pine wood yung alder mo pag nagkataon :lol:
@free2rock pano makukuha yung lacquer finish na gamit varnish/poly lang? double digit number of coats with sanding in between? di ako marunong slash takot ako gumamit ng lacquer kasi wala naman akong proper wood shop tools
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Thanks sa mabilis n reply mga sir!!!
I'm almost at the final sanding stage right now,
and trying to decide if i'll go with the oil or the poly finish :-D
Now, will i achieve the color that i'm going for if i use either the
oil or poly? I'm thinking about settling for the poly (semi-gloss)
finish because it's highly available than tung/danish oil. Or if i can
achieve that color/gloss look in oil finish, i might wait for a while
until i can fins the suitable oil to achieve that finish hehehe
Again, Salamat ng madami mga master's!!!!
Keep them coming!
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pag wood bleach parang yung binaba mo lang yung color value nung wood (parang saturation slider sa instagram), pero hindi mo maiiba yung color nya mismo. Magumukha sigurong pine wood yung alder mo pag nagkataon :lol:
@free2rock pano makukuha yung lacquer finish na gamit varnish/poly lang? double digit number of coats with sanding in between? di ako marunong slash takot ako gumamit ng lacquer kasi wala naman akong proper wood shop tools
Lacquer is fun to use. You don't need to "build up" and sand in between coats because the succeeding coat will "melt" with the previous coat making it one homogenous coat--unlike poly where you build up succeeding coats. The key to getting a good surface on your lacquer finish is highly dependent on the surface preperation before you spray (i.e., sanding and pore filling). Lacquer is easily repairable too. If you make a mistake, wipe with a rag soaked with thinner or just scrape with a utility blade.
5-8 coats would do. It dries to a pretty thin film. Lacquer is more solvent than solid (as opposed to poly). The downside is it takes a while for it to fully dry before you can buff, but I have tried to spray a very thin coat--dried within a few days.
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Thanks sa mabilis n reply mga sir!!!
I'm almost at the final sanding stage right now,
and trying to decide if i'll go with the oil or the poly finish :-D
Now, will i achieve the color that i'm going for if i use either the
oil or poly? I'm thinking about settling for the poly (semi-gloss)
finish because it's highly available than tung/danish oil. Or if i can
achieve that color/gloss look in oil finish, i might wait for a while
until i can fins the suitable oil to achieve that finish hehehe
Again, Salamat ng madami mga master's!!!!
Keep them coming!
Oil has a teeny bit of color to it so it will warm up the color of the wood as you apply it. Poly doesn't AFAIK.
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So dun sa hinahabol kong outcome sir mas ok kung poly ang gagamitin ko?
Yung laquer sir? Wala pa ata ako idea dun hehehe, anu sample ng laquer finish?
Available ba dito satin yun sir???
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Meron lacquer dito. Boysen, Davies, Sphero, etc. Punta ka lang sa paint supply store.
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Ayus, thanks sir free2rock!
Will research more about this lacquer finish :)
Thanks ulit!
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Sir free2rock, nababasa ko kasi sa net, ok din ang wipe-on-poly.
And mas durable siya, may available ba nito sa pinas?
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More or less, this is how it will go:
Oil finish:
(http://www.vintageandrare.com/uploads/products/15550/135499/original.jpg)
Poly:
(http://static.musicbusiness.fr/media/catalog/product/cache/5/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/g/i/gibson-sg-special-60s-tribute-sgsp6wach1-z1.jpg)
Lacquer:
(http://www.themusiczoo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/IMG_8744.jpg)
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Sir free2rock, nababasa ko kasi sa net, ok din ang wipe-on-poly.
And mas durable siya, may available ba nito sa pinas?
Meron uncatalysed. Meron sa ACE Hardware. Haven't tried it though.
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Nice! Thanks dito sir!
Now i'm leaning between the Poly and the Lacquer hehehe
thanks again sir!
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Here's the comparison photo of alder and ash as promised. Left is Ash, Right Alder.
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k299/sa_karinka/SAM_0488_zpsteblu4yh.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k299/sa_karinka/SAM_0489_zpsdt9w6oyt.jpg)
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personally, I'd stain the ash with a walnut stain then lacquer it. I'd give the alder a nice oil finish, but maybe not a lacquer. ako lang yun @omeng ha! :lol:
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Wah! Thanks for this sir!
Parang mali ata ako! I think the body of my bass is Ash!
Based on this pics, the body of my bass is highly similar
to the Ash. But i read on the net, the body is a 3pc. alder wood
:-D hindi kasi ako mkpost dito ng pics hehehe, what can you say about
this sir? base on the pic? most likely, Ash or Alder?
http://muzbass.ru/products/1838/
pics are not mine but it's the same bass that i'm trying to restore :)
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I can't say, pero kung yung fretboard nya hindi yung makintab na maple, ang sarap gawing oil finish nyan!
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@Sonicassault
sir, most probably kung ash siya e the same process gagawin ko, stain then laquer
or stain and poly? hehehe pero im leaning on a golden yellow stain, i think that's the
closest color of stain to achieve yung hinahabol kong kulay hehehe
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hindi ko pa din masabi sir kung anu tlga yung fretboard
sa ngayon kasi poly ata yung finish niya hehehe
this is the pic of the bass when i got it hehehe
http://d1g8i44m6yqzhw.cloudfront.net/20150212014134-1423725321507.jpg
http://d24iimykcnrplv.cloudfront.net/20150212014134-1423725321106.jpg
based on the serial at the neck plate, it's a 1981 Aria Pro II Primary Bass
and i think it's pretty rare so i bought it in a very cheap price and
decided to "try" to restore it hehehe
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@Sonicassault
sir, most probably kung ash siya e the same process gagawin ko, stain then laquer
or stain and poly? hehehe pero im leaning on a golden yellow stain, i think that's the
closest color of stain to achieve yung hinahabol kong kulay hehehe
hindi ko alam kung pwede mag oil tapos mag lacquer/poly. di ko trip yung mga yellow stain, mukhang may hepa yung gitara mo. try mo mag varnish pero diko alam kung durable finish yun
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hehe,
hinahabol ko kasi yung current color nung head stock hehehe
pro preserve it hehehehe, will decide later on if i'll remove the
poly on the fret board or just leave it as is, relic kuno hehehe
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hehe,
hinahabol ko kasi yung current color nung head stock hehehe
pro preserve it hehehehe, will decide later on if i'll remove the
poly on the fret board or just leave it as is, relic kuno hehehe
wag mo tanggalin yung finish nung fretboard kumakain ng libag yan :lol: or i-refinish mo sya, wag lang bare. leave that to rosewood fretboards :)
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copy sir! hyaan mo muna yung finish ng fret board
saka na ako decide pag natapos na yung assembly hehehe
salamat sa tulong! keep them coming!
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Looks like Sen Ash. If it's ash, I don't think there's a need to stain.
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thanks for that info sir frree2rock
do you think i can achieve the color that showed in the fender bass
by using tung/danish oil or poly?
salamat!!!!
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You'll probably get a darker/warmer color with oil. You should try it in an area under the pickguard and see if you like it.
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Sir free2rock
I alreay tried the egg white wash, i really can't say if i did it right hehe
Applying it by brush them sand 400grit in between coats. Now im on the
Stage of 600 grit sanding ay almost ready for the finishing. Upon trying the
Egg wash, i realized that the natural color of the body will be more appealing
to me than the fender picture ive shown hehehe, and im leaning on finishing
It with poly because of the durability it gives compare to oil. Am i right on
this? Hehe, i bought a pint can of konig poly urethane semi-gloss to try it on a scrap of
wood. Question is, can apply it by rag? Or do i really have to use a brush?
I,m planning to use a rag so that i can apply it thin, then build up the finish
by applying 5-6 coats with sanding in between coats. Can you give some advice on this?
Salamat ng madami sa tulong ninyo!
Hopefully makapag upload ng picture hehehe
Salamat ulit!
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Additional questions master's!
may mabibilan ba dito satin ng mineral spirits?
or may alternative ba dun?
Thanks again!
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Additional questions master's!
may mabibilan ba dito satin ng mineral spirits?
or may alternative ba dun?
Thanks again!
thinner lang yan :lol:
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Sir free2rock
I alreay tried the egg white wash, i really can't say if i did it right hehe
Applying it by brush them sand 400grit in between coats. Now im on the
Stage of 600 grit sanding ay almost ready for the finishing. Upon trying the
Egg wash, i realized that the natural color of the body will be more appealing
to me than the fender picture ive shown hehehe, and im leaning on finishing
It with poly because of the durability it gives compare to oil. Am i right on
this? Hehe, i bought a pint can of konig poly urethane semi-gloss to try it on a scrap of
wood. Question is, can apply it by rag? Or do i really have to use a brush?
I,m planning to use a rag so that i can apply it thin, then build up the finish
by applying 5-6 coats with sanding in between coats. Can you give some advice on this?
Salamat ng madami sa tulong ninyo!
Hopefully makapag upload ng picture hehehe
Salamat ulit!
not sure about rag application, never ko pa na-try yun, pero kung gagawin mo yan, gamitin mo yung basahan na gawa sa retaso, yung bilog na tinitinda sa gitna ng kalye sa mga motorista. wala kasing fuzzy shiz yun, at mahirap na kapag may lint na kumapit dun sa poly (dahil sa rag na gamit mo mismo). pero kung may build up ka naman ng 5-6 coats, ok naman ang brush, basta natural hair and if possible yung medyo manipis yung tips (pero no issue naman kung hindi).
iniisip ko parang ang nipis nung rag-applied na poly baka pag-sand mo matanggal lang :lol: pero di ko alam yan diko pa na-try eh :-D
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ay tlga sir pwede thinner??
sinubukan ko yung rag sang brush sir,
ok naman kinalabasan ng rag application hehehe
tntry ko yung pag tuyo apply ulit by rag,
mukhang ok naman ang kinalabsan hehehe
yun lng cgro tlgang madaming coats ang kailangan
para magbuild yung finish hehehe, pero ttry ko din rag sa 2-3 coats tapos
brush sa 4 and 5th, sinunod ko advice ninyo sa scrap muna hehehe
hopefully makapost na talaga ako ng pics hehehe
salamat ulit sir!
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ay tlga sir pwede thinner??
sinubukan ko yung rag sang brush sir,
ok naman kinalabasan ng rag application hehehe
tntry ko yung pag tuyo apply ulit by rag,
mukhang ok naman ang kinalabsan hehehe
yun lng cgro tlgang madaming coats ang kailangan
para magbuild yung finish hehehe, pero ttry ko din rag sa 2-3 coats tapos
brush sa 4 and 5th, sinunod ko advice ninyo sa scrap muna hehehe
hopefully makapost na talaga ako ng pics hehehe
salamat ulit sir!
mineral spirits = tawag sa thinner sa amerika :lol:
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ahehehe, thanks for the info sir!!!
How about this sir? Effective kaya?
Oil based stain and finish? Nakita ko lang sa Ace kanina hehehe
http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=12664448&cp=2568443.2568447.2624971.1254912.1305435
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ahehehe, thanks for the info sir!!!
How about this sir? Effective kaya?
Oil based stain and finish? Nakita ko lang sa Ace kanina hehehe
http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=12664448&cp=2568443.2568447.2624971.1254912.1305435
di ako bet dyan, though di ko alam kung pano sya gumagana, ang iniisip ko pang isang coat lang sya, unless sobrang light ng stain na magagamit mo sya to layer coats, but by then di ko sure hindi ba magiging uneven yung stain? at least pag stain and poly separately, yung colorng stain yun na yun tapos unli coats ng poly :lol:
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good point sir! buti nalang natanong ko hehehe
muntik nang bumili, mamaya paguwi malalaman ko result
and difference ng rad and brushed poly hehehe, naka 2
coats palang sa sample wood hehehe
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good point sir! buti nalang natanong ko hehehe
muntik nang bumili, mamaya paguwi malalaman ko result
and difference ng rad and brushed poly hehehe, naka 2
coats palang sa sample wood hehehe
pabalita sa rag! curious ako sa effect nya :)
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Copy sir, balitaan kita agad, pero nung nasample ko e mas pantay siya kysa sa brush
siguro kasi manipis ang lagay, and 1st coat nisand ko siya ng 400, pero after nitong 2nd coat
susubukan ko na wag isand hangang 4th coat to see kung may difference kung mag sand
in between rag applied coat. Yung sa brush applied definitely isand ko siya in between coats :)
eto mukhang makakapost na ako ng pictures hehehe, subok muna :)
Before:
(http://d1g8i44m6yqzhw.cloudfront.net/20150212014134-1423725321507.jpg)
(http://d24iimykcnrplv.cloudfront.net/20150212014134-1423725321106.jpg)
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sir bakita ayaw lumabas ng pics hehehe
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sir bakita ayaw lumabas ng pics hehehe
chineck ko na lang URL. purple ba yan? :roll:
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yup, purple dati sir, n-paint nung dating owner e
tama step ko sir sa pag post ng image d ba?
Inset image? tapos paste yung URL?
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eto pa sample pic sir, subok lang ulit sa pag upload :-(
trial assembly after ng 2 coats egg wash :
(http://d1uxx8abpz53ji.cloudfront.net/20150427154736-olxab15766284939b4c45a14ea594f1d87be6802970.JPG)
(http://d1op6c1jfumx94.cloudfront.net/20150427154753-olxc55e019ccf61e8a323d3ea20d21f5330dd9fd864.JPG)
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yup, purple dati sir, n-paint nung dating owner e
tama step ko sir sa pag post ng image d ba?
Inset image? tapos paste yung URL?
try mo sa photobucket, mas gumagana sya para sakin :)
eto pa sample pic sir, subok lang ulit sa pag upload :-(
trial assembly after ng 2 coats egg wash :
(https://www.flickr.com/photos/132720454@N02/17286433605/)
woooow ang ganda may knot! :cute: pano mo pala na-strip yung paint?
considering yung kulay ng wood mismo kung ako yan diretso poly! medyo weird lang kasi aged na yung fretboard, tapos mukhang masyado bago yung body. try to find a nice stain that will match the fretboard, dala ka ng scrap wood tsaka yung fretboard sa hardware :lol: kung darker shade, personally walnut stain agad yan, or red mahogany dahil yellow yung fretboard (walnut kasi medyo nasa cool blue side)
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ayan, sinubukan ko post sa OLX hehehe
para lang mupload pictures, actually ayus lng sakin yung sa fret board sir,
kaya hindi ko din talaga tinangal yung ibang mga marks sa body
para parang relic ang dating hehehe, ittry ko yung walnut sir, iphotoshop ko hehehe
sa body ginamit ko heat gun, sa neck stripper, makapal kasi yung sa body
may paint, primer saka yung dating poly hehehe
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ayan, sinubukan ko post sa OLX hehehe
para lang mupload pictures, actually ayus lng sakin yung sa fret board sir,
kaya hindi ko din talaga tinangal yung ibang mga marks sa body
para parang relic ang dating hehehe, ittry ko yung walnut sir, iphotoshop ko hehehe
sa body ginamit ko heat gun, sa neck stripper, makapal kasi yung sa body
may paint, primer saka yung dating poly hehehe
heat gun? :| di ako familiar sa method, so bale itatapat mo yung heat gun sa body tapos tutuklap na sya?
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first time ko lang din ginawa sir hehehe, bale tapat heatgun,
wag lang masyadong malapit mga 4"-6" away sa kahoy,
focus sa isang area, tapos paint scraper para medyo lumalambot na paint
ingat lang sa pag scrape baka maukit kahoy, tiyagaan lang talaga
mahirap yung sa part ng horns hehehe, hindi ko lang nakunan ng
pics yung pag scrape hehehe
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first time ko lang din ginawa sir hehehe, bale tapat heatgun,
wag lang masyadong malapit mga 4"-6" away sa kahoy,
focus sa isang area, tapos paint scraper para medyo lumalambot na paint
ingat lang sa pag scrape baka maukit kahoy, tiyagaan lang talaga
mahirap yung sa part ng horns hehehe, hindi ko lang nakunan ng
pics yung pag scrape hehehe
ahhhhhhhh. shet dapat ata yan yung ginawa ko sa drum hoops ko hahahaha :eek:
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medyo risky din sir, lalo na siguro sa drum hoops,
kasi plies yung sa drum hoops e, actually drummer talaga ako hehehe
kaya tingin ko hindi pwede sa drum hoops kung pantangal ng paint
baka magbend yung hoops, kung wrap lang pwede siguro yung heat gun
pangtangal ng adhesive
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additional dun sa poly finish, hopefully mas mag dark yung color nung kahoy
pag poly na ang nilagay ko hehehe
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medyo risky din sir, lalo na siguro sa drum hoops,
kasi plies yung sa drum hoops e, actually drummer talaga ako hehehe
kaya tingin ko hindi pwede sa drum hoops kung pantangal ng paint
baka magbend yung hoops, kung wrap lang pwede siguro yung heat gun
pangtangal ng adhesive
ako rin hahaha, lahat ng sinasabi ko dito nakuha ko lang sa experience ng pag-refinish ng drums ko :lol: pareho namang kahoy yan :-D
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tama ka diyan sir sonic hehehe, bukas post ko yung difference ng rag saka brushed application hehehe
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Nice! Ganda pala talaga ng eggwash!
Regarding brushed/handrubbed application, nasa technique yan IMO. If you're familiar with french polishing (an age old method of finishing instruments using shellac, alcohol and cotton rags), you don't really rub it on, rather you let the solvent drip methodically. Same goes with brush application. I suppose the trick is to get that workable consistency before applying. Unless you have good technique, wetsanding will be a b!tch LOL
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Thanks sa advice sir free2rock!
Regarding sa type of application, sinubukan ko sa scrap wood hehehe
and i like the outcome of the rag applied poly :) i don't know if i applied it
correctly, but i'm happy with the outcome hehehe i think that's the point of it? if i'm
satisfied then, maybe i'm doing it correctly? hehehe, i just applied 2 coats
as of now, i'm planning to make it 4-5 coats all by rag, nd planning to sand it
by 1200 grit in between coats, given that the coats are very thin, hopefully i
will be satisfied with the outcome hehehe, just to be saafe, i will do this all on
the scrap wood before i take it to the body hehehe
again, salamat ng madami sa lahat ng tips! keep them coming!!!