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Offline nathanmanansala

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« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2006, 07:34:58 AM »
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But he's into Suhr's now.  :x

But doesnt he still play a strat model Suhr? what exactly makes a strat a strat? the shape? the S-S-S pickup config? what about the ones with FR bridges? what about super strats?

sorry. too much coffee this morning...

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« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2006, 07:53:01 AM »
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« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2006, 09:19:16 AM »
1. Hendrix. Some of his clean stuff is ok, but his PHAT overdriven tone is the benchmark for all bratty-stratty stuff. Derailed the notion that only Les Paul's and humbuckers can be fat. References: Wild Blue Angel and Woodstock.

2.  Wayne Krantz: youre right! "Long To Be Loose" and "Two Drunk Minimum" Jazz (plus much more!) on a strat.

3. Malmsteen. Modernized the strat for metal, but still managed to keep it cleanly overdriven. I have no choice but to refer to him. Although Blackmore did get the 70's strat rock tone nailed, YJM pumped it up to another level. try to look beyond the stagnancy and attitude of the Swedish meatball.

4. EJ is a notable mention for his stratospheric/atmospheric cool breeze-atop-a-mountain chorused clean tone, and his "1000lb violin" distortion. I read that he's heading to cleaner strat overdrive (sax like timbres) nowadays. But EJ admits that he's tone is an amalgamation of his influences- Beck, Jimi, SRV, Clapton.

The above mentioned stuff is the template for what I look/listen for when trying out a strat. Though  there are purists that preach that the maple neck+swamp ash or alder body combo is where its at, lately I have'nt been giving much of a mind about it. Suhr's concept of a maple on basswood with a maple neck/rosewood board makes sense. The fattest strat I've played was the basswood body/maple neck MIJ i used to have, it was meaty.

Simplified preference:
1. neck pick up- spanky, throaty and clear. If its like that clean, it won,t be muddy overdriven.
2. neck+mid- a fat quack
3. mid- i prefer this wired bypassing the tone pots for extra grit when playing slide.
4. mid+bridge- a bright quack
5. bridge - warm, fat, detailed, not piercing. Most strats have this wired bypassing the tone circuit. I prefer otherwise so i can dial in some warmth. I like mine with a steel/copper baseplate attached.

Deacon Blues turned me on to the 7 sound mod. Its a must have for extra versatility. you can get some nice acoustic timbres on the "all pickups" settings, and a tele-like tone with the bridge+neck combo.

My "must haves" for a satisfiable strat tone:
1. Bone nut.
2. Very good tuners. these greatly influence the strings sustain.
3. Jumbo frets. for added note clarity and ease navigating the long-scale strat fret boxes
4. steel saddles. screw diecast.
5. solid steel inertia block. this makes sense, why trust a material used to make cooking pots?! solid steel is where its at, make the change and listen to your strat sing. titanium is cool too, but very costly.
6. more "nakedness". wood on wood contact is important! get rid of the finish (paint & laquer) where the neck meets the heel for more vibrancy. same under the pickguard area, and under the tremelo baseplate. al, of these make your strat "breath better".
7. ditch the tremelo string cavity cover. its like putting a hand over a singers mouth.
8. get your electronics properly shielded. or get a great set of pick ups to give your mods some tonal justice. perfection is in the details, my friends ;)

out of personal preference, i like my whammy locked solid to the body :)

try these mods, then it won't matter if your strat is the real deal or a knock off. look beyond the brand.  its all just wood, metal, plastic and bone! ;) i've encountered many lesser known brands that threaten to crucify the real deals, or totally bury them.
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« Reply #28 on: May 10, 2006, 09:21:32 AM »
good heavens, i just realized how long my article is. i plead guilty to being a strat-pornographer! hahahaha!
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« Reply #29 on: May 10, 2006, 08:21:27 PM »
Yeah, psychic_sushi!

There's no better way to 'stratify' your strat than to give it the 7-way switching option. Actually, it was Arie who turned me on to that.

And ever since, i've had all my strats wired that way

After all, most strats' bridge pickups are kinda trebly and piercing, what better way to beef it up by adding a switch that could blend in the neck pickup incrementally.. ditto for the middle pickup.

Now, I haven't tried the other wiring schemes yet, but I'm sure there's a whole lot of other 'superstrat' wiring schemes out there, particularly at guitarnuts.com.

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« Reply #30 on: May 11, 2006, 09:57:26 AM »
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Yeah, psychic_sushi!

There's no better way to 'stratify' your strat than to give it the 7-way switching option. Actually, it was Arie who turned me on to that.

And ever since, i've had all my strats wired that way

After all, most strats' bridge pickups are kinda trebly and piercing, what better way to beef it up by adding a switch that could blend in the neck pickup incrementally.. ditto for the middle pickup.

Now, I haven't tried the other wiring schemes yet, but I'm sure there's a whole lot of other 'superstrat' wiring schemes out there, particularly at guitarnuts.com.

Let's get wired, let's get wired ...  :D


heheheh, you got me singing the tune to "lets get loud" ni j.lo, yuck...

as for wiring, i think the late great dan armstrong (who did the wiring stuff for fender's 80's "the strat", ala lenards cherry guitar, and jimi's wiring mods) has plenty of stuff. same with www.guitarnuts.com. dan and bill lawrence worked on a secret wiring project for hendrix's strat. bill lawrences new stuf is interesting too.

but if you ask me, i wanna hotwire me bridge pick up to an toaster to give it more warmth, and crunch when overdriven! hahahahah!

lets plug into our tv sets to get that mtv sound ;)
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« Reply #31 on: May 11, 2006, 10:41:43 AM »
the recipe for my quintessential strat tone is fender strat into a fender amp (preferrably blackface).  the artist that best exemplifies this is ronnie earl.  other artists on this list would include robert cray, wayne krantz, eric johnson, srv, and hendrix.  lesser known artists that fall under this vein would include mato nanji (indigenous), henry garza (los lonely boys), chris duarte, and doyle bramhall II.

for different strat flavors, i like listening to robin trower, rory gallagher, david gilmour, richie kotzen, and todd park mohr (BHTM).

i'm sure there are other strat masters that escape my mind as of the moment.

cheers.

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« Reply #32 on: May 11, 2006, 11:55:52 AM »
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for different strat flavors, i like listening to robin trower, rory gallagher, david gilmour, richie kotzen,


yeah! richie kotzen! was a strat player during the motherhead's reunion album, had a MIJ signature copy thats now out of production, and his tele sig is due to be discontinued too.

i've got an RK strat, its the bomb! great classic strat tone, i feel its too precious to lug around with me so i'm planning to "frankenstein" a cheap strat for kamikaze purposes ;) it'll be my stunt guitar :)
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« Reply #33 on: May 11, 2006, 12:07:12 PM »
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for different strat flavors, i like listening to robin trower, rory gallagher, david gilmour, richie kotzen,


yeah! richie kotzen! was a strat player during the motherhead's reunion album, had a MIJ signature copy thats now out of production, and his tele sig is due to be discontinued too.

i've got an RK strat, its the bomb! great classic strat tone, i feel its too precious to lug around with me so i'm planning to "frankenstein" a cheap strat for kamikaze purposes ;) it'll be my stunt guitar :)


"motherhead's family reunion" is my favorite RK album.  i feel this cd is vastly underrated.

his RK tele (the sunburst one) is on my wish list.  i'm disappointed to hear that it's going to be discontinued.

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« Reply #34 on: May 12, 2006, 08:53:53 AM »
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Scott Henderson


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But he's into Suhr's now.  :x

But doesnt he still play a strat model Suhr? what exactly makes a strat a strat? the shape? the S-S-S pickup config? what about the ones with FR bridges? what about super strats?

sorry. too much coffee this morning...


i've had too much coffee too, so this is gonna be a long one, all based on my personal opinion...

what makes a strat a strat is a tough question. but if you ask me, what qualifies to be a called a "strat" is a guitar that is based on leo fender's original design, the 1954 strat. its the BASIC design that leo created that has become a take-off point for a pantheon of designers in the past few decades.

but take note: leo was a man of vision, he believed in progress and evolution. the strat evolved many times when he owned fender, and it evolved further when he sold his company to cbs and stayed on as a consultant. But, leo's real expansion of the "design" was his work with G&L, the company he and george fullerton came up with, but not under the stratocaster name. cbs too, came up with its own developement of the strat design bearing the stratocaster name, but the cbs period were the dark ages of the strat.

then came the japanese. these folks hungered for the original design and tone, so they reverse-engineered (with typical mega-accurate japanese discipline) the pre-cbs strats and manufactured them. doing so was a tremendous feat, considering they had no design blueprint or machinery. and their products were of great quality! i feel that a good jap strat (of the same era as a cbs strat) can wipe out a cbs.

so, what makes the jap "knock-offs" credible? when cbs sold the fender brand (i'm calling it a brand) to FMIC (the current fender name owner), FMIC was faced with a huge international demand for "fender" instruments, but unfortunately, did not acquire the machinery to create the guitars. FMCI (now we're at the lawsuit era) employed the workmen of Yamaha Japan to recreate pre-cbs instruments, and were floored by the workmanship! the winning jap manufacturer was hoshino gakki (correct me if i'm wrong) makers of greco and ibanez guitars. this was a smart move by FMCI, as they regained the japanese market share while meeting the mounting international demand.

many other designers adopted the strat design, too many to mention but among the notable are callaham guitars and suhr. the "brand" name no longer figures in the equation.

its the design that serves as a take off point. as long as the "strat" follows the essence of its creators vision (i'm referring to leo fender), the strat spirit shall live on.

a super strat may be called a strat, but that would depend on how far a cry it is from the original strat design. i would still call an ibanez rg that had three sc's but a pointy neck and pointy horns a "super strat". but i would never call it a "stratocaster". (figure how this sounds: "steve vai plays a great stratocaster named Evo!" ewww, not right)

dude, this would be a great new thread/topic! please start a new one, it'll be a great debate ;) i'd like to start it, but, you initiated the topic so all credit must go where credit is due :)
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