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Offline Opay21

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Ampstands anyone?
« on: February 07, 2010, 01:00:25 AM »
Just wanted to make a thread about ampstands and how it affects/has affected your you/your tone perception/whatever you want to call it. I never gave amp stands attention dahil I don't believe it will do anything. But recenty sobrang nacurious ako sa ampstands,  basa basa ng reviews etc... So what happened? Instead of buying a pedal (which I have the money already for) I just bought an ampstand, a Stand Back amp stand (thanks spanky) and to tell you the truth....I was kinda disappointed... Hindi sa amp stand (the stand back was awesome, super light/portable at napaka tibay! kaya ang LV300 ko!). Anyway, it was my 1st time to use an ampstand (or just plainly listen to my playing with the amp tilted thhat I can hear precise) and I heard crap.... I had my amp modded to have a brighter sound, and it came true, it was BRIGHT! Nung narinig ko, oh men, spiky both on clean and drive! Settings on the amp were 7 bass, 5 mids, and 3 treble, and it was still spiky! Nung hindi ko naririnig na nakatapat sakin ung amp, it sounded kinda balanced, pero I realize na nasobrahan pala sa brightness, ngayon ung drive pedals ko halos 2 lang ung tone para lang hindi masiyadong spiky ung tunog. Sigh... Kaya pala pag tumutugtog ako ang sama ng elders sakin...  :lol: :lol: :lol: Anyway, mejo lumalayo sa usapan, my point is that amp stands DO really have a good use pala. Sheesh, at least now I can tweak at a more accurate level. Or kahit di na kayo mag ampstand, atleast i tilt niyo ung amp (refering to those na hindi pa nakaka try).

BTW here's what my amp stand looks like! Ang cool mga tsong, kahit san pwede dalhin, no hassle!
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« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2010, 02:14:36 AM »
kapatid and tokayong jeff, mas transparent yun tunog nang naka-tilt sa'yo yung amp.

ito na experience ko, kapag nasa lapag yung amp, we hear bassier tone dahil sa pagdaan ng tunog sa flooring. Might be good kung yun ang gusto mo i-capture ng instrument microphone na i-feed to PA.

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Sa church namin, dahil hindi masyado efficient yung monitoring system, I opt to place amp na nakalapag lang (not tilted). Dahil nun naka-tilt, nag comment yung drummer namin na di raw niya ako madinig ng husto, kasi nga louder na sa tenga ko yung sounds that come out from my small amp.

And kapag nagtitimpla ako ng base clean tone ko, naka tilt muna then place back ko sa lapag yung amp.
Tutal ganun din character ng tone ko sa PA kasi we're using Line out ng MG15's sa church.
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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2010, 02:40:53 AM »
kapatid and tokayong jeff, mas transparent yun tunog nang naka-tilt sa'yo yung amp.

ito na experience ko, kapag nasa lapag yung amp, we hear bassier tone dahil sa pagdaan ng tunog sa flooring. Might be good kung yun ang gusto mo i-capture ng instrument microphone na i-feed to PA.

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Sa church namin, dahil hindi masyado efficient yung monitoring system, I opt to place amp na nakalapag lang (not tilted). Dahil nun naka-tilt, nag comment yung drummer namin na di raw niya ako madinig ng husto, kasi nga louder na sa tenga ko yung sounds that come out from my small amp.

And kapag nagtitimpla ako ng base clean tone ko, naka tilt muna then place back ko sa lapag yung amp.
Tutal ganun din character ng tone ko sa PA kasi we're using Line out ng MG15's sa church.
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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2010, 02:50:24 AM »
wow, mga tukayo ko pala kayo. sa church ganito din sinuggest ko. yung bass and guitar amp kase namin nakaharap sa audience tapos dahil hindi masyado malaki stage e halos nakadikit na yung mga guitarist sa kani-kanilang amps. ang tendency kase pag ganun eh hindi mo talaga malaman yung totoong volume mo since konting tunog lang umaabot sa tenga. so yun, bumili ako ng amp stands sa jb, tapos yung mga amp naka-tilt in such a way na may line-of-sight yung speakers sa ulo ng mga guitarist. yun nga lang medyo bawas sa bass since hindi na naka lapag sa sahig yung mga amps. helps a lot in reducing the overall stage volume.

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« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2010, 06:16:12 PM »
got mine aa gift from leech. normal one.

but this looks promising.  :-D
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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2010, 06:28:11 PM »


boston amp stand bought from JB music, around 400 :lol:
hindi lang angled yung based para lumapat mabuti yung amp, hindi adjustable yung stand, pero ok lang, kung makikita mabuti, nag cut ako ng rubber mat para support sa amp, hindi nakadikit mismo sa stand.

mas comportable akong naka angled kesa nasa baba, or kung yung isa dala ko, may amp case, so may patungan na ko, kung wala yung amp case,
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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2010, 11:09:08 PM »
ako nga pader ang ginagamit ko...PADER STAND ang tawag.hahaha!  :lol:
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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2010, 02:01:47 AM »
ako nga pader ang ginagamit ko...PADER STAND ang tawag.hahaha!  :lol:

haha.. that's what we used to do sa Marshall MG50 dati.. PADER STAND.. does the job done.. except pag walang pader na masasandalan..

i'd love to DIY an ampstand one day.. i have the materials, i just don't have the drive to pursue with it.. right now, yung Pathifnder ko nakapatong sa maliit na table that's supposed to be a for a TV.. hindi siya nakatutok sakin pero it's somehow elevated.. still get's the job done..  :-)

ampstands are fine.. pero sometimes mas gusto ko parin na hindi siya tilted.. it creates a reverby effect sa ground.. adds bass and 'lagong'.. siguro kasi yung soundwaves pababa ang direction.. kaya bumababa agad siya, thus adding those effects..

pag naman tilted, sakto sa line ng pandinig ng tao.. and since it's angled, i think mas malayo rin yung nararating nung sound waves..  :-)

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« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2010, 02:54:15 AM »
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Ampstands anyone?

Ayaw ko may amp stand, less resonance.. parang yung speaker lang nadidinig ko instead of the whole amp.

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« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2010, 08:08:46 AM »
ito na experience ko, kapag nasa lapag yung amp, we hear bassier tone dahil sa pagdaan ng tunog sa flooring. Might be good kung yun ang gusto mo i-capture ng instrument microphone na i-feed to PA.

that's called the bass coupling effect. :) the problem is most ampstands take your amp off the floor, kaya numinipis ang tunog. Opay21's ampstand keeps the amp on the floor, maximizing bass definition. Siyempre the bass is a little less than if the amp is on the totally on the floor, because now it's only the rear edge on the ground.

yung tinis ng nariring niya ay dahil sa directionality ng high frequencies ng tunog niya. simply speaking, the high frequencies are greatest when you are "on-axis" with speaker (read:directly in front of it), then they roll-off the further off-axis you get. This is why when you are standing off to the side of your amp, maganda ang tunog, pero when you bend down to listen, masakit, matalas yung tunog. Kaya minsan akala mo ang ganda ng tunog mo pero pag tingin mo sa mesa sa harap, walang naka-upo.  :cry: All guitar amps do this. 4x12's are more directional than 1x12's, and closedback cabs are more directional than openbacks.

the main problem is getting the sound you hear to be as close as possible to the sound that the audience hears.

Weber Beam Blockers were invented to address that. also, google "Mitchell doughnuts".  :wink: amp stands help by simply dispersing the sound a little more evenly throughout the venue (kung maliit yung venue, like saguijo, route 196 etc). Also what you will hear from a tilted amp is also VERY close to what a mic will pick up. so if you hear the excess treble, roll it down.  :wink:

BTW whether or not the amp is on the floor, pareho parin ang mapi-pickup ng mic na tunog (kung close-miked ha). The added bass you hear is just for the sound perception on stage.
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« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2010, 08:27:34 AM »
ako nga pader ang ginagamit ko...PADER STAND ang tawag.hahaha!  :lol:

na-try ko na ren to---
effective pero bumabagsak pag katagalan.  hehe.

note:  do not use this kung tube ang amp mo.   :-D
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« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2010, 09:21:33 AM »
na-try ko na ren to---
effective pero bumabagsak pag katagalan.  hehe.

note:  do not use this kung tube ang amp mo.   :-D
wahaha. was about to say this. buti di tube amp gamit natin.
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« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2010, 10:19:58 AM »
helps a lot in reducing the overall stage volume.

this is my band's main problem. matangkad yung isang gitarista namin. in most venues, pag nakalapag lang yung amp, he usually has to turn up kasi hindi niya marinig yung sarili nya. as a result natatabunan kaming lahat. I gave him a Standback. Problem solved. kaya lang, ayun minsan nakakalimutan dalhin.  :|

BTW I bring mine even when I don't bring an amp. it weighs next to nothing, and it fits neatly in my guitar case.
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« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2010, 10:28:20 AM »
Before, I got an amp stand made for my Marshall VS8080 by some people sa talyer. What a difference it made in enabling to hear the actual tone and tweaking it accordingly! Not only that, it helped me in gigs in terms of getting the tone accross to the audience!

I am not using one (I don't think my current amp needs it since it projects and resonates the sound well) but I recommend it!

Especially if you are using the Marshall VS/MG series.
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« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2010, 10:30:16 AM »
maganda talaga pag nakatilt. you hear the real tone. ung matalas na sinasabi, yun ang talagang tone mo. tweak from there na lang.
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« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2010, 10:36:46 AM »


boston amp stand bought from JB music, around 400 :lol:
hindi lang angled yung based para lumapat mabuti yung amp, hindi adjustable yung stand, pero ok lang, kung makikita mabuti, nag cut ako ng rubber mat para support sa amp, hindi nakadikit mismo sa stand.

mas comportable akong naka angled kesa nasa baba, or kung yung isa dala ko, may amp case, so may patungan na ko, kung wala yung amp case,
monoblock chair or beer case  :lol:

We have the same amp stand. Bought from JB Music as well.

I agree with ghostalker, ma-bass yung amp kapag naka-lapag sa floor yung amp. Matalas naman kapag naka-tilt, I tend to raise the mids more kapag naka-tilt yung amp ko. Ayaw ko sa matalas na tunog, I want a warm & gritty sound. So far, ok naman yung amp ko pag naka-tilt. Although pag nasa church ako, naka-flat sa floor lang yung amp ko.

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« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2010, 12:06:27 PM »
Amp stands are very useful for hearing your amp. Much like the auralex gramma pads, what they do is decouple your amp from the floor making your amp sound clear and precise. Some people think that wimpy because the bass gets cut out but I believe its a good thing so that you can hear your tone exactly as it comes out of the amp. Also, if you decouple your amp from the floor, it will sound the same in different venues (even if its on a wooden stage or concrete floor). Bottom line its a good thing. its the same reason you put your home theater speakers on little stands.

And when you get into a real full rigged performance (where your amp is miced), youll find that a decoupled amp is much clearer, defined and lets your playing shine... not the floor. hahaha.

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« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2010, 04:24:49 PM »
wahaha. was about to say this. buti di tube amp gamit natin.

never used a PADER STAND on a tube amp...pag natumba,todas! adios tubes.hahaha!
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« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2010, 04:47:03 PM »
Are Stand Backs locally available?  Any store carrying them?  I'm interested in buying.  Thanks for the help.
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« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2010, 05:10:19 PM »
Are Stand Backs locally available?  Any store carrying them?  I'm interested in buying.  Thanks for the help.

http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,172339.0.html

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« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2010, 06:15:42 PM »
^ what's the difference of that one compared to the ones priced at 400 for sale sa JB?

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« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2010, 06:57:47 PM »
Man you should ALWAYS use an ampstand. I can never have mine heard unless it's on one.

And money on an ampstand? Pssh, I just put a roll of thick brown tape or anything similar under the front of the amp to elevate it upwards. :lol:

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« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2010, 08:05:59 PM »
Ayaw ko may amp stand, less resonance.. parang yung speaker lang nadidinig ko instead of the whole amp.
I'm with markv on this one.  Ampstands are just another tool to have, IMO.  But sometimes the liveliness of both floor and room are also a thing worth capturing.  De-coupling the cab from the floor creates a drier, more articulate sound, which may be ok for your application, but not necessarily for others.  Siguro ampstand na lang pag masyadong boomy.  About "hearing myself better" I think one should check his settings by standing off-axis and on-axis, get a good balance.

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« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2010, 08:50:18 PM »
hmmm all i need is a triangle hazard, few straps and let`s see :P

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« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2010, 09:17:54 PM »
^ what's the difference of that one compared to the ones priced at 400 for sale sa JB?

Portability: The standback weighs next to nothing. And folds away to nothing. You can stash it in your guitar case or at the back of your amp. The JB stand is heavier. Not naman too heavy, siguro mga 5-8 lbs? And when folded it looks like a small folded deck chair. Mejo hassle pag nagco-commute ka lang. :) If you have a car, that's great. I don't. FYI I bring my standback to gigs kahit wala akong dalang amp.

Floor coupling: The standback keeps the amp in contact with the floor. The JB puts the amp on two steel beams with 4 rubber feet. THe standback give more bass response I think. Depende sayo if you like the bass response retained or reduced, but I think with either choice you can't go wrong. Personally I think all guitar speakers were designed to be in a cabinet that's in contact with the floor, not floating on some stand.

Stability: pareho lang. they're both pretty much 4-legged systems.

BTW I checked last weekend, their small ampstand costs 650, not 400. I'm not sure if there's a bigger size available.
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