Author Topic: techniques, practices, exercises.. spill here!! (Read 12597 times)

toybitz · « **Reply #25 on:** March 07, 2007, 07:01:03 PM »

110 for my right
103 for my left

skunkyfunk · « **Reply #26 on:** March 07, 2007, 11:05:11 PM »

Quote from: toybitz on March 07, 2007, 07:01:03 PM

110 for my right
103 for my left

Tsong tamang-tama! Kailangan ko ang ganyang powers mo sa next sessions natin na mala-Stewart Copeland na groove! Ang tf... Krispy Kreme hwehehe. Sana ok lang sa payrbatel hehe.

marko21 · « **Reply #27 on:** March 07, 2007, 11:08:08 PM »

104 sa right
92 sa left

kelangan ko matuto mag moeller sa left

toybitz · « **Reply #28 on:** March 07, 2007, 11:42:36 PM »

Quote from: skunkyfunk on March 07, 2007, 11:05:11 PM

Quote from: toybitz on March 07, 2007, 07:01:03 PM
110 for my right
103 for my left

Tsong tamang-tama! Kailangan ko ang ganyang powers mo sa next sessions natin na mala-Stewart Copeland na groove! Ang tf... Krispy Kreme hwehehe. Sana ok lang sa payrbatel hehe.

alang Joe! papagurin mo ko!

bloodshedd · « **Reply #29 on:** March 08, 2007, 11:40:02 PM »

yung mga death metal drummers mabilis sa 16th notes sa isang kamay... lalo na sa blast beats...
sa mga thrash metal drummers ganun din..

intake · « **Reply #30 on:** March 09, 2007, 06:49:43 PM »

hindi ko pa nasusukat eh..
pero ok na naman 16th notes ko..pantay na siya

binasa ko lang ng binasa yung mga binigay sakin ng teacher ko

1---2---3---4 quarter

1-&-2-&-3-&-4 eighth

1e&a2e&a3e&a4 sixteenth

sinanay ko muna yung quarter then yung eighth then yung sixteenth!

tapos pwede na mag 32nd notes!

y2jae21 · « **Reply #31 on:** March 09, 2007, 07:49:48 PM »

Quote from: peeves24 on March 06, 2007, 04:03:02 PM

na curious din ako kaya http://www.metronomeonline.com/

eto yung comfortable speed para sa kin

104 sa right
84 sa left

hahaha ang sama pala, need to work on my left hand

another weakness found

haha, ako naman right mahina, lefty ako pero righthanded kit ang gamit. kailangan improve right ko

intake · « **Reply #32 on:** March 09, 2007, 09:52:05 PM »

kuiha ko na

108 sa right
96 sa left

IncX · « **Reply #33 on:** March 20, 2007, 04:07:57 PM »

i hope i posted it on the right forum... anyway:

i asked a bassist friend how you practice drills for hi hat shuffles (just like the hi hat thing on Lenny Kravitz's "It ain't over Til its over") ... and he told me: you hit a closed hi hat with the body of the stick, and as you raise the stick, you hit the tip of the stick with the hi-hat.

agree or disagree? how do you practice this since i noticed my progress and my cousin's is sooo slow that i begin to doubt whether it is right.

this technique is a pre cursor to one hand sixteen notes right? ... post your thought on this.

thanks

toybitz · « **Reply #34 on:** March 20, 2007, 04:22:52 PM »

well...you may or may not.

it depends if you want to accent the downbeats and "&'s".

it'll help to accent too if you're playing faster.

jpmb · « **Reply #35 on:** March 20, 2007, 06:06:12 PM »

agree toybitz...mismo

Gep · « **Reply #36 on:** March 20, 2007, 06:08:10 PM »

I third.

batangdramista · « **Reply #37 on:** March 20, 2007, 07:23:37 PM »

shuffle- sa palo ng triplets! tangalin mo yung 2nd beat! bale ang matitira 1st and 3rd! tunog nun! ''taktatak''sa triplet! sa shuffle tatak "tatak tatak tatak"

16beats in one hand- derederechong palo lang sa clapper! doblehin mo yung bilis ng normal 8 beat!

sana makatulong ako

daemonite · « **Reply #38 on:** March 20, 2007, 08:26:42 PM »

Eto na yung explanation ni bro drumster sa mga eb's. Yung sinasabi mo na technique Moehller (tama ba?) technique yun, actually 3 strokes. Hit, bounce, pull. sana tama yung naalala ko. I think that was explained in detail during mini-eb 3.

About the one hand 16 beats, ganon pa rin, dagdagan mo lang ng isa. I think 2 bounce ang gagawin mo, kasi ganon ang ginagamit ko eh. Hehe.

Mahirap talaga sa una yun dude, and you have to start real slow. Aminado ako di ko pa nakuha yung shuffling pero 1 hand 16 beat medyo kuha ko na kasi lagi ko ginagamit sa showband ahahahaha.....

IncX · « **Reply #39 on:** March 21, 2007, 12:12:02 AM »

Quote from: daemonite on March 20, 2007, 08:26:42 PM

Eto na yung explanation ni bro drumster sa mga eb's. Yung sinasabi mo na technique Moehller (tama ba?) technique yun, actually 3 strokes. Hit, bounce, pull. sana tama yung naalala ko. I think that was explained in detail during mini-eb 3.

About the one hand 16 beats, ganon pa rin, dagdagan mo lang ng isa. I think 2 bounce ang gagawin mo, kasi ganon ang ginagamit ko eh. Hehe.

Mahirap talaga sa una yun dude, and you have to start real slow. Aminado ako di ko pa nakuha yung shuffling pero 1 hand 16 beat medyo kuha ko na kasi lagi ko ginagamit sa showband ahahahaha.....

moller's pala tawag nun? maririnig mo din yung basic version ng technique sa new wave song na "head over heels"

paano gawin yun? hit + bounce + pull - paano gawin yung pull? body ng stick ang tatama?

as for the 16 note... ano pagkaiba nya with the 2 hand sixteen note? ... sabi ng kilala kong drummer na wala daw, except mas mahirap yung one hand... although para saken, i think magkaiba talaga dynamics nyan... tama ba?

drumster · « **Reply #40 on:** March 21, 2007, 12:33:02 AM »

That's the Moeller Stroke.

As explained by Tony Royster Jr...

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daemonite · « **Reply #41 on:** March 21, 2007, 12:36:03 AM »

Quote from: IncX on March 21, 2007, 12:12:02 AM

Quote from: daemonite on March 20, 2007, 08:26:42 PM
Eto na yung explanation ni bro drumster sa mga eb's. Yung sinasabi mo na technique Moehller (tama ba?) technique yun, actually 3 strokes. Hit, bounce, pull. sana tama yung naalala ko. I think that was explained in detail during mini-eb 3.

About the one hand 16 beats, ganon pa rin, dagdagan mo lang ng isa. I think 2 bounce ang gagawin mo, kasi ganon ang ginagamit ko eh. Hehe.

Mahirap talaga sa una yun dude, and you have to start real slow. Aminado ako di ko pa nakuha yung shuffling pero 1 hand 16 beat medyo kuha ko na kasi lagi ko ginagamit sa showband ahahahaha.....

moller's pala tawag nun? maririnig mo din yung basic version ng technique sa new wave song na "head over heels"

paano gawin yun? hit + bounce + pull - paano gawin yung pull? body ng stick ang tatama?

as for the 16 note... ano pagkaiba nya with the 2 hand sixteen note? ... sabi ng kilala kong drummer na wala daw, except mas mahirap yung one hand... although para saken, i think magkaiba talaga dynamics nyan... tama ba?

check mo yung mini-eb series andun yung discussion ni sir drumster tungkol sa moeller's technique. wrist technique sya actually para mas madali ang dynamics mo. magkaiba ang tunog ng 16 beat 2 hands sa 1 hand. pakinggan mo mabuti....

IncX · « **Reply #42 on:** March 21, 2007, 12:49:08 AM »

thanks for the link... i guess that's what i needed to know about the moller technique...

as for the 1 hand vs. 2 hand 16 beat... IMO, its dynamics. i disagree with that drummer who told me na walang pagkaiba except daw "laos" na yung 2 hand... in my mind i said "wow, para palang pop song ang technique, nagiging laos"

daemonite · « **Reply #43 on:** March 21, 2007, 12:54:38 AM »

Lol, actually kung showband ka, dun mo makikita yung difference ng 16 beat 1 hand sa two hand. Meron yung mga song na panget ang 1 hand 16 beat so kelangan mo talaga ng two hand 16 beat. pero masaya yun kasi kunwari nagpupunas ka ng pawis tapos 16 beat ang groove niyo, pwede ka muna mag-one hand para andun pa rin yung groove ehehehe....

drumster · « **Reply #44 on:** March 21, 2007, 12:58:41 AM »

You can also check out Steve Smith's instructional DVD. By far, I think he has the most detailed explanation and demonstration of the Moeller technique caught on video.

And for Modern Drummer magazine freaks like me, review the March 2002 issue and check out the feature, "The Moeller Stroke Revealed!" Great article by John Riley, plus lots of pictures, insights and practice ideas.

FYI... The Moeller Stroke was named after Sanford A. Moeller (1879-1961), a drummer and educator during his time, and the man behind this concept and technique.

drumster · « **Reply #45 on:** March 21, 2007, 01:00:49 AM »

Quote from: daemonite on March 21, 2007, 12:54:38 AM

Lol, actually kung showband ka, dun mo makikita yung difference ng 16 beat 1 hand sa two hand.

OT...

In my humble opinion, I don't think it depends on the genre or musical style... Nasa drummer din yan.

daemonite · « **Reply #46 on:** March 21, 2007, 01:07:04 AM »

napansin ko lang po kasi dami ng klase ng tinutugtog ng mga showbands eh. yun lang po....

autoexec · « **Reply #47 on:** March 21, 2007, 12:33:32 PM »

Edi hindi pala pwede gamitin yung moeller technique pang 16ths? kasi tatlong strokes yung napproduce nya bali triplets ba yun? So pano dapat ang technique pag 16ths sa one hand?

drumster · « **Reply #48 on:** March 21, 2007, 01:11:53 PM »

Quote from: autoexec on March 21, 2007, 12:33:32 PM

Edi hindi pala pwede gamitin yung moeller technique pang 16ths? kasi tatlong strokes yung napproduce nya bali triplets ba yun? So pano dapat ang technique pag 16ths sa one hand?

Do the second stroke (tap) twice. So that would be 4 notes: 1-2-3-4 = downstroke-tap-tap-up... Repeat the cycle to play straight-ahead 16th note groove.

The examples shown by Tony Royster Jr. and Steve Smith are exercises, and also in a way an aid in order for us to understand the motion and mechanics of the Moeller stroke. It's up to us kung pano na rin natin idi-diskarte and iwo-work out sa playing natin.

palolo_worm · « **Reply #49 on:** March 21, 2007, 01:46:16 PM »

Quote from: drumster on March 21, 2007, 01:11:53 PM

Quote from: autoexec on March 21, 2007, 12:33:32 PM
Edi hindi pala pwede gamitin yung moeller technique pang 16ths? kasi tatlong strokes yung napproduce nya bali triplets ba yun? So pano dapat ang technique pag 16ths sa one hand?

Do the second stroke (tap) twice. So that would be 4 notes: 1-2-3-4 = downstroke-tap-tap-up... Repeat the cycle to play straight-ahead 16th note groove.

The examples shown by Tony Royster Jr. and Steve Smith are exercises, and also in a way an aid in order for us to understand the motion and mechanics of the Moeller stroke. It's up to us kung pano na rin natin idi-diskarte and iwo-work out sa playing natin.

+1

the stroke can also be used for pull out accents, 2 strokes, etc. ung triplet pattern lang ay para maemphasize ung 3 motions happening.

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