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Offline kenzu0911

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AMPERE, VOLT and POLARITY (simple explanation)
« on: January 13, 2011, 12:56:01 AM »
AMPERE and MILLIAMPERE
   mA, means milliampere.
   A, means ampere.
   1000mA is equal to 1ampere.


Q: Sir kenzu, ano po ba yung ampere?

A: Simple explanation, let's say meron kang tubo ng gripo. Yung diameter ng tubo, is the AMPERE.,
    then yung pressure ng water, yun yung VOLTS,
    yung water, yun ang CURRENT,
    and yung gripo mo, yun yung output ng PSU..


edited using this picture to make it easier to understand..
Q: Sir kenzu, meron ako 1 analog effect that consumes 18 milliampere ONLY?
    Pede ko bang gamitin yung 1000mA na power supply?
    Hindi ba masisira o ma'fry yung effects ko?


A: Hindi po. AS LONG AS TAMA yung polarity at volts, kahit taasan mo pa ng ampere,
    safe ang guitar effects mo.
 
    Simple example: Yung 220vAC na kuryente sa bahay. Usually, 60 amperes yun..(60,000milliapere)
                          Tapos meron kang ISANG ilaw lang, na 220vAC pero mababa watts, (10watts),
                          Then power ON mo yung ilaw lang, nasisira ba? pumuputok ba?
                          Hindi po.. Stable lang sya. Kung ilang ampere lang ang kinakain ng gadget mo,
                          Yun lang din ang hihigupin nya.
                          As long as tama yung volts, tama yung polarity (kung meron), hindi sya puputok.

                          That's why, mas mataas na ampere, mas ok, kasi hindi kukulangin ng power
                          yung effects mo. Dapat lagi may ALLOWANCE yung ampere.


Q: Sir kenzu, ano naman po yung polarity, AC and DC?

A: Ang volts, kapag may polarity, DC volts na yan. Kapag walang polarity, AC volts naman.
    Meaning, kapag my polarity, DC volts (Direct Current) meron na syang POSITIVE at NEGATIVE.
    My direction na flow ng kuryente. Meron ng papasok, at palabas. So kung anung direction ng
    kuryente hinihingi ng effects mo, ganun ang ilagay mo.
    Kapag nagkabaligtad ang polarity, tapos mataas ampere mo, BARBEQUE na gadget mo. :-D
  
    Kapag AC naman, kahit magkabaligtad, PWEDE sya, kc wala sya direction (polarity).

Q: kung ang pedal ko nagrerequire ng 500mA tapos sinupply ko ng 3000mA,
    Hindi talaga masisira un? san mapupunta yung excess na current?

A: Walang excess na current! naka-ready lang yun. Walang spill-out. Naka-standby lang.

Q: Alam ko kasi pag sumobra ang current, nako-convert yung excess na current at
   nagiging heat energy... Then pag di na nakayanan ng wire (unless designed talaga para kayanin
   nung components at nung mismong unit), SASABOG daw?


A: First, dapat malaman mo na my tinatawag na LOAD..
   Yung LOAD, ang humihigop ng kuryente kaya my tinatawag na CURRENT DRAW.
   CURRENT DRAW means, kung gaano kalakas kumain ng kuryente yung LOAD or guitar effects.

Now, your PSU is your POWER SOURCE,
your guitar effects is your LOAD.
Then you have DC cable from PSU to EFFECTS.

IF 1500mA yung CURRENT DRAW ng LOAD,
but if your DC cable can ONLY carry below 1500mA, dun sya mag-iinit, puputok yung DC cable!

Kahit taasan mo AMPERE, kung ilan lang yung CURRENT DRAW ng LOAD, yun lang ang hihigupin ng LOAD.. .
HINDI magpipilit pumasok or magpu-PUSH papasok yung AMPERE sa LOAD!




NOTE: BE SURE to check first the polarty, volts and amperes of your gadgets before plugging PSU into it.
      It's better to use higher ampere POWER SOURCE, but NOT higher volts.

If mas mababa ampere ng power source sa required ampere ng guitar effects,
IT WILL CAUSE HUM.. .

Thanks.
« Last Edit: February 09, 2011, 06:11:35 PM by kenzu0911 »

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Re: AMPERE, VOLT and POLARITY (simple explanation)
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2011, 01:17:03 AM »
napakalinaw! :-D very helpful to sir! ganon pala yon.. .  . :mrgreen:

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Re: AMPERE, VOLT and POLARITY (simple explanation)
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2011, 01:54:54 AM »
ampere= pressure??? ganun ba yun??
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Re: AMPERE, VOLT and POLARITY (simple explanation)
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2011, 01:57:57 AM »
ampere= pressure??? ganun ba yun??
nope.. its not pressure, its the power or strength of the current..
 

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Re: AMPERE, VOLT and POLARITY (simple explanation)
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2011, 02:02:01 AM »
nope.. its not pressure, its the power or strength of the current..
 

oh i see.. :-) thanks for the info..
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Re: AMPERE, VOLT and POLARITY (simple explanation)
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2011, 02:23:17 AM »
very well said sir kenzu!

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Re: AMPERE, VOLT and POLARITY (simple explanation)
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2011, 06:28:10 AM »
thank you sir! this was the answer i've been looking for dun sa isa kong thread about power supplies. :-D

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Re: AMPERE, VOLT and POLARITY (simple explanation)
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2011, 08:27:35 AM »
Sana idagdag ito dun sa 1st post sa faq :-D

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Re: AMPERE, VOLT and POLARITY (simple explanation)
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2011, 08:29:43 AM »
padagdag din po sana ng info regarding difference ng Boss PSA / ACA pedals... hanggang ngayon medyo confused pa ako dito mga sir!

nagtataka ako minsan di gumagana yung LED, pero pag may ka-chain na ibang Boss, ayun gagana ulit...

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Re: AMPERE, VOLT and POLARITY (simple explanation)
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2011, 09:01:51 AM »
ayos ah....napakalinaw ng paliwanag...hehe...
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Offline kenzu0911

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Re: AMPERE, VOLT and POLARITY (simple explanation)
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2011, 10:31:38 AM »
padagdag din po sana ng info regarding difference ng Boss PSA / ACA pedals... hanggang ngayon medyo confused pa ako dito mga sir!

nagtataka ako minsan di gumagana yung LED, pero pag may ka-chain na ibang Boss, ayun gagana ulit...

ACA adaptors- those are unregulated adaptors.
                    early 1977, boss ACA adaptors are 12vdc (unregulated)
                    the Boss OS1 and CE-2 works with 12vdc ACA adaptors..
                   
                    ACA pedals, have resistor and silicon diode on ground part,
                    Ito yung nagd-drop ng 12vDC to 9vDC..
                    While PSA pedals, wala na yung resistor and diode..


PSA adaptors- these are phase regulated adaptors.
                    early 1978, boss created PSA adaptors 9vdc (regulated)
                    also they converted 12vDC ACA adaptors into 9vDC ACA (unregulated)..

 

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Re: AMPERE, VOLT and POLARITY (simple explanation)
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2011, 11:55:58 AM »
Nice. This will lessen redundant queries in power supplies. :)

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Re: AMPERE, VOLT and POLARITY (simple explanation)
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2011, 12:18:00 PM »
Meron ako 9v na adaptor ng laruan, ginamit ko sa overdrive ko kasi 9v naman at shoot dun sa butas para power, gumagana naman pero anlakas ng hum kaya hindi ko na ginamit,  pag mahina pala amperes e ayun yung nagpoproduce ng hum., ngayon alam ko na :)
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Re: AMPERE, VOLT and POLARITY (simple explanation)
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2011, 12:02:16 AM »
ACA adaptors- those are unregulated adaptors.
                    early 1977, boss ACA adaptors are 12vdc (unregulated)
                    the Boss OS1 and CE-2 works with 12vdc ACA adaptors..
                   
                    ACA pedals, have resistor and silicon diode on ground part,
                    Ito yung nagd-drop ng 12vDC to 9vDC..
                    While PSA pedals, wala na yung resistor and diode..


PSA adaptors- these are phase regulated adaptors.
                    early 1978, boss created PSA adaptors 9vdc (regulated)
                    also they converted 12vDC ACA adaptors into 9vDC ACA (unregulated)..

 

follow up question sir: so what are to watch out on PSA and ACA powered BOSS peds (like do's and dont's)?

yung PSA powered BOSS peds ba pedeng saksakan ng ACA, or vice versa ?

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Re: AMPERE, VOLT and POLARITY (simple explanation)
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2011, 02:13:05 AM »
follow up question sir: so what are to watch out on PSA and ACA powered BOSS peds (like do's and dont's)?

yung PSA powered BOSS peds ba pedeng saksakan ng ACA, or vice versa ?
If you're going to use PSA adaptor to an ACA pedals, use DAISY CHAIN,
2 or more pedals, then it'll gonna work..

If you're going to use ACA adaptor to a PSA pedals,
your PSA pedals may be at risk, or may be fried..


If your not sure, here are some lists of ACA pedals i can share to everyone:

BF-2    CE-2    CE-3    CS-1    CS-2    DF-2    DM-2    DM-3    DS-1    GE-7/GE-7B
HF-2    HM-2    NF-1    OC-2    OD-1    OD-2    SD-1    SG-1    SP-1    TW-1    VB-2


Mixing PSA and ACA pedals may cause hum too..
Modification of ACA pedals to PSA pedals may resolve the issue.. :wink:
« Last Edit: January 14, 2011, 02:27:23 AM by kenzu0911 »

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« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2011, 06:47:12 AM »
ilang minimum ampere ang kailangan ng 6-9 pedal chain? thanks
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Re: AMPERE, VOLT and POLARITY (simple explanation)
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2011, 07:47:39 AM »
nice explanation expand ko lang

power is volt x ampere so puedeng tumaas ang power kung malakas ang agos (ampere) and/or malaki ang butas (volts)

safe na mas mataas ang source current (amperes) kasi ibig sabihin yun ang kaya nya ibigay pero ang papasok lang sa gadget mo is yung actual na kailangan

supply = 1 ampere or 1000 mA
pedal = 400 mA
current that will pass = 400 mA
reserve = 600 mA

that means puede ka magkabit ng more than 1 pedal as long as ang total na kailangan nila is less than or equal to 1000 mA

supply = 1000 mA
pedal 1 = 400 mA
pedal 2 = 300 mA
pedal 3 = 300 mA
total current used = 1000 mA

yan puede kasi total is only 1000 mA although it's better na may sobra kahit konti ang supply para sa mga peaks (biglang kailangan ng malakas na current)
« Last Edit: January 14, 2011, 07:57:26 AM by royc »

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Re: AMPERE, VOLT and POLARITY (simple explanation)
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2011, 07:54:57 AM »
ilang minimum ampere ang kailangan ng 6-9 pedal chain? thanks

add mo lahat ng current rating (amperes) yun ang minimum. di mo malalaman w/o stating the actual pedal power supply specs. hindi sila pare pareho ng power requirement
« Last Edit: January 14, 2011, 07:56:36 AM by royc »

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Re: AMPERE, VOLT and POLARITY (simple explanation)
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2011, 10:18:06 PM »
          IHMO  Hindi ba yung pressure ng water galing sa gripo yun dapat ang volt or head sa pump terminology. at yung dami ng lumalabas na tubig yun yung equivalent ng ampere. An Ampere is one coulomb per second or 6.24151×10 raise to the 18 electrons per second flowing in a conductor.  I can have too high a water pressure  in a hose but low flow, akin to high voltage but low current in electric circuit.  Correct me if I'm wrong sir.


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Re: AMPERE, VOLT and POLARITY (simple explanation)
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2011, 10:59:53 PM »
Pag may Pedal ako na 500mA pero ung PSU ko eh 300mA lang. Ano ang mAsisira, ung Pedal or ung PSU?


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Re: AMPERE, VOLT and POLARITY (simple explanation)
« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2011, 02:20:09 PM »
Pag may Pedal ako na 500mA pero ung PSU ko eh 300mA lang. Ano ang mAsisira, ung Pedal or ung PSU?
PSU sir..

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Re: AMPERE, VOLT and POLARITY (simple explanation)
« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2011, 02:35:07 PM »
         IHMO  Hindi ba yung pressure ng water galing sa gripo yun dapat ang volt or head sa pump terminology. at yung dami ng lumalabas na tubig yun yung equivalent ng ampere. An Ampere is one coulomb per second or 6.24151×10 raise to the 18 electrons per second flowing in a conductor.  I can have too high a water pressure  in a hose but low flow, akin to high voltage but low current in electric circuit.  Correct me if I'm wrong sir.

If mahina presure ng water, kahit malaki yung hose, mahina pa din yung flow ng water..
Meaning, kahit mataas yung VOLTS, if mahina AMPERE, mahina pa din yung labas ng CURRENT..

I can make 5volts lang, pero nakakakuryente?!. :-D
meaning, mahina VOLTS, pero sobra taas ng ampere.
« Last Edit: January 15, 2011, 02:41:16 PM by kenzu0911 »

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Re: AMPERE, VOLT and POLARITY (simple explanation)
« Reply #23 on: February 06, 2011, 01:35:14 AM »
Tama analogy ni 24fret.pressure is the potential difference(volts).yung flow ng water ang current(ampere).yung opening ng faucet ang resistance(ohms).dyan na pumapasok yung ohms law.
And kenzu hindi nakakakuryente ang 5v high current.may rectifier kami sa planta na 5v 80000A pero hindi ka makukuryente.100v up kahit few hundred milliamps sigurado may kalalagyan ka
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Re: AMPERE, VOLT and POLARITY (simple explanation)
« Reply #24 on: February 06, 2011, 07:41:32 PM »
Tama analogy ni 24fret.pressure is the potential difference(volts).yung flow ng water ang current(ampere).yung opening ng faucet ang resistance(ohms).dyan na pumapasok yung ohms law.
And kenzu hindi nakakakuryente ang 5v high current.may rectifier kami sa planta na 5v 80000A pero hindi ka makukuryente.100v up kahit few hundred milliamps sigurado may kalalagyan ka
Sir, di ka naniniwala na kaya kong gumawa ng kahit 1volt lang na nakakakuryente?
I can make ONE if you want..  :-D
Dito na papasok yung imbensyons po sir.. :-) :wink:
« Last Edit: February 06, 2011, 07:49:18 PM by kenzu0911 »