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Offline art_attack16

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« on: August 15, 2006, 10:40:28 AM »
ano opinion nyo about this??

kasi sa band namin  kami na guitarista...

di marunong ng music theory yun isa pero mabilis mag lead... at saka matalas ang ears... pero pag tagal at nabago na yun chord prog.. tapos lead na... ako nakakasabay kasi may background ako sa music theory...

sya wala.. ayoko sya turuan kasi pag natutunan nya eh lumalaki ulo... ano kaya pwede kong gawin?

eh matatagal na kami magkakatropa.. highschool pa
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« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2006, 12:05:53 PM »
lumalaki ulo? nyahahahay

ayoto ata nang ganun
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Offline haringulan

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« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2006, 04:14:03 PM »
i understand where you are coming from.
it drives me nuts sometimes when i see hot airs who call themselves "guitarists" just because they are able to play difficult solos from memorized tablatures.

i think one of the best remedies for that is a good slice of humble pie.
you know, one really good humbling experience to put them in their place.

anyway, if your frustration comes from not being able to play the music like you guys should be playing, why not try teaching him first.
he is your friend and the end result should be having fun playing good music right?

if he starts getting boastful about it he should just be able to back it up.
because if he doesn't its all just "big talk" (which is incidentally a great song by the glam rock group "warrant")

i think two guitarists in a band is cool, as long as they compliment each other.
great blues jams actually have a bunch of guitar players on stage diba.
but if hes there just to occupy space and not pull his own weight then talk to him about it.
sometimes tropas dont necessarily make good band mates...
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Offline Kulas

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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2006, 04:35:22 PM »
yup sa ganyang 2 guitar setup, one must take the role of being the "poste" player. yun nga, kailangan talaga sa ganyan cooperation, kasi kung pareho kayong nagbi-bida eh panget talaga lalabas.

or ganito, magshare kayo ng lines per song kunwari. example sa part na 'to ikaw lead, tapos sa next sha naman, ganon tipo at least pareho kayong naha-hasa.

ngayon sa laki-ulo aspect naman, nasa tao na yan. communication is the key, hehe. i mean direct communication ah, hehe.
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« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2006, 05:15:36 PM »
I read a joke somewhere that a guitarist will NEVER say - "Hey, I think my volume is too loud."

I've seen two or three guitar bands with very talented guitarists who keep trying to 'outdo' each other. It's gonna be hard if you don't talk about it openly. I'm lucky to be one of those guitarists who's comfortable playing rhythm, and our other guitarist is just dying to do lead, so hindi kami nag-aaway. But if both of you want to be the hero... ewan. Pag-usapan niyo dude.

Btw, everyone has strengths and weaknesses, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't help each other out - like the 'teaching' that you mentioned. Most of the times guitarists DON'T want to help each other out, kasi nga, they want to be right all the time. But as a band you'd never improve. So figure out the strengths and weaknesses for both of you. I'm trying to do more fills, for example, and sometimes our lead guitarist plays rhythm din. Basta balance lang.
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« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2006, 09:22:53 PM »
sa banda namin, 2 na kaming gitarista, wala pa gusto maglead. hehehe..
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« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2006, 09:55:22 AM »
sa band namin, yung mga bandmates nagsasabi sa amin kung ok yung ginagawa namin nung kasama kong gitarista. ika nga nung drummer namin, lahat ng ginagawa namin para sa kanta at buong grupo; pag hindi boto ang buong grupo dun sa ginagawa ng isa sa amin, aayusin or iibahin ang areglo.

tingin ko mas receptive kami pag yung ibang non-guitarist members ang nagbibigay ng feedback.
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« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2006, 10:26:06 AM »
sa band ko ngayon alternate kami.
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« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2006, 11:17:54 AM »
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yup sa ganyang 2 guitar setup, one must take the role of being the "poste" player. yun nga, kailangan talaga sa ganyan cooperation, kasi kung pareho kayong nagbi-bida eh panget talaga lalabas.

or ganito, magshare kayo ng lines per song kunwari. example sa part na 'to ikaw lead, tapos sa next sha naman, ganon tipo at least pareho kayong naha-hasa.

ngayon sa laki-ulo aspect naman, nasa tao na yan. communication is the key, hehe. i mean direct communication ah, hehe.

etong si pareng Kulas ayos katugtugan, mister postman talaga hehe mas may freedom ako luminya.. oy tugtog natin sa Sunday ha!

art_attack16: ba't naman ayaw mo sya mag-improve? mahirap yang crab mentality parekoy hehe.. sa banda, kung di naman Steve Vai or Yngwie Malmsteen yung tugtugan nyo kelangan alisin ang "superstar syndrome" at mas maging team player dapat lahat ng members. for the benefit of your band din yan pag natuto sya ng konting music theory. malay mo pag may gig kayo biglang nag-slip up sya or something, sira ang tugtugan nyo kung di nya alam kung pano makarecover from a "sabit" coz wala syang alam sa theory, diba? pag may bago akong natutunan, shineshare ko agad sa ibang guitarists na kaibigan ko (most frequently sa mga kabanda ko) para pag may instance na ia-apply ko yung natutunan kong yun, alam na nyang gagawin ko yun at may better cohesion at teamwork yung playing namin. ganun kami ng bassist namin, but mas often syang nagtuturo sakin kaysa sa akin coz di ako UP college of music boy :)
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Offline riffscreamer

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« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2006, 11:22:47 AM »
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sa banda namin, 2 na kaming gitarista, wala pa gusto maglead. hehehe..


Kami rin. XD
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Offline sweeplikevai

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« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2006, 11:49:59 AM »
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ano opinion nyo about this??

kasi sa band namin  kami na guitarista...

di marunong ng music theory yun isa pero mabilis mag lead... at saka matalas ang ears... pero pag tagal at nabago na yun chord prog.. tapos lead na... ako nakakasabay kasi may background ako sa music theory...

sya wala.. ayoko sya turuan kasi pag natutunan nya eh lumalaki ulo... ano kaya pwede kong gawin?

eh matatagal na kami magkakatropa.. highschool pa


music theory??? as in conservatory of music?
hmmm. medyo nalalabuan ako d2....
kung pareho nyo lang tini-tenga ung mga pyesa nyo, i think i-arrange nyo lang ng mabuti, sharing, parte-partehan lang......

lumalaki ulo...? ala din shang hydro-sepalus??? pa-check up mu??? hehe loko lang brad....

sitahin mu rin minsan, and syempre in a good manner,,,.. un lang..
salamat :D
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Offline Kulas

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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2006, 12:40:53 PM »
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yup sa ganyang 2 guitar setup, one must take the role of being the "poste" player. yun nga, kailangan talaga sa ganyan cooperation, kasi kung pareho kayong nagbi-bida eh panget talaga lalabas.

or ganito, magshare kayo ng lines per song kunwari. example sa part na 'to ikaw lead, tapos sa next sha naman, ganon tipo at least pareho kayong naha-hasa.

ngayon sa laki-ulo aspect naman, nasa tao na yan. communication is the key, hehe. i mean direct communication ah, hehe.

etong si pareng Kulas ayos katugtugan, mister postman talaga hehe mas may freedom ako luminya.. oy tugtog natin sa Sunday ha!


isa lang naman dahilan nyan eh, hehe. hindi ako marunong luminya, hahaha.
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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2006, 12:54:49 PM »
You can't do anything about his character flaws, but you can help him with his musical lapses, so there. Teach him, and you would have done your part, and let the chips fall where they may. :)
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Offline art_attack16

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« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2006, 02:05:31 PM »
di naman po sa ganon... before kasi i thought some sa kanya.. pero when we decided to form a band... nilagay ako nun gtr2 sa bass.. not because gusto ko.. pero ayaw lang nya ng mag guitara ako.. pero pag nakapa kami ng music.. pati guitar lines kinakapa ko minsan.. tapos sasabihin nya mali ako... pero ganon din nmn ang iaapply.. nakakasama ng loob yun... kuya pound cake.. sabagay... tama ka sa point mo.. ill try...

thank you masters.. may the force be with you
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Offline namida

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« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2006, 02:39:18 PM »
for quite some time in the past i prepared my self to be the only guitar player in the band. pretty tight if you ask me. but having another guitar player in the band adds some interesting colors and advantages. When the other guys does his solo, i listen to him as much as i can and i roll down my volume a bit. I like to listen. And I try to get comments on my playing as much as i can and reflect on them. for a two guitar player setup, each has to give way all the time and share the task of playing rythm and doing the solo if neither can't just be the rythm player. never be afraid to teach, great players never keep others from knowing what they do. talk to guy and let him know what you think is wrong.
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« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2006, 02:59:45 PM »
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ano opinion nyo about this??

kasi sa band namin  kami na guitarista...

di marunong ng music theory yun isa pero mabilis mag lead... at saka matalas ang ears... pero pag tagal at nabago na yun chord prog.. tapos lead na... ako nakakasabay kasi may background ako sa music theory...

sya wala.. ayoko sya turuan kasi pag natutunan nya eh lumalaki ulo... ano kaya pwede kong gawin?

wag mong turuan. ang sama pala ng ugali nya e!  :evil:
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