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Offline smarty

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« Reply #25 on: November 09, 2006, 10:03:43 AM »
sir chek mo din ulit yung pagka solder nung connector, baka nagdidikit yung + and - wires pag nagagalaw.

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« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2006, 10:24:51 AM »
but i also notice that when i use my klotz cables.. pag natatapakan or medyo nahahampas sya sa kahit anong bagay.. nag kaka noise.. may static... pag sa nobelle hindi..

is it because of the plastic (coating or insulation ?)

IMO, the shield could probably be compromised. Stressing the cable by stepping or whatever could be causing an intermittent open in the shield.
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« Reply #27 on: November 09, 2006, 11:56:38 AM »
Quote from: smarty
sir chek mo din ulit yung pagka solder nung connector, baka nagdidikit yung + and - wires pag nagagalaw.

cables i used are in good condition when prior to my last post..

even the solder..

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IMO, the shield could probably be compromised. Stressing the cable by stepping or whatever could be causing an intermittent open in the shield.

hey.. do you mean hindi na masyadong maganda yung shielding ?? my friend also suffers from the same problem. brand new pa yung sa kanya..
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« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2006, 12:58:55 PM »
hey.. do you mean hindi na masyadong maganda yung shielding ?? my friend also suffers from the same problem. brand new pa yung sa kanya..

Entirely possible but very hard to test without the right equipment. When I used to work for the telecoms industry, we had fault locator equipment that could test for opens and shorts and tell you exactly where the fault was along the line. Unfortunately, I never got the chance to test it on instrument cables. :|

If a brand new cable is exhibiting tonal differences, it's entirely possible that the cable is either defective or has  unusual electrical properties. Does anyone here use twisted pair, quad-wire cables?
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« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2006, 01:18:48 PM »
guys ako naman may tanung...im using stag cables.. and 6meters lahat ng guitar cables na ginawa ko.. actually this is a mic cable.. so... sa loob may 3 set siya ng wire. yung isa shield.. ginawa ko.. since mono plug ang guitar instrument. pinagsama ko yung dalawang may sleeve and soldered it sa positive.. and yung shield sa negative.. may problem is.. kapag ginamit na sa guitar and amp.. parang kapag bumagsak yung cable parang may mic effect siya.. (dahil ba microphone cable? hehehe).. pero sa bass amp naman or ok naman siya.. i tried other cable na ginawa ko ganun parin... hmmmp... btw, ang guitar amp is a peavey valve king 112.. all tube siya.. or cause nito is amp mismo?



to mr tarkuz..

sir yea gamit ko rin yung stag sa speaker.. once na may extra buget na.. papalitan ko ito with speaker amp.. standard length ko sa speaker cable 10 meters.. any more advise??
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« Reply #30 on: November 09, 2006, 03:35:09 PM »

but i also notice that when i use my klotz cables.. pag natatapakan or medyo nahahampas sya sa kahit anong bagay.. nag kaka noise.. may static... pag sa nobelle hindi..

is it because of the plastic (coating or insulation ?)


 Maybe this one will help to explain it; cables and interconnects (unbalanced/balanced type), are composed of the three main elements: the signal conductors, the DIELECTRIC, and the terminations. The conductors carry the audio signal; the dielectric is the INSULATING material between and around the conductors; and the terminations provide connections to audio equipments.Each of these elements- called cable geometry-  can affects the cable sonic characteristics.
         Conductors are usually made of copper or silver wire. Focusing on the dielectric (the material surrounding the conductors, and is what gives the cable some of their bulk) alone, it has a large effect on the cable's sound. Dielectric materials absorb energy, a phenomenon called dielectric absorption. A capacitor works in the same way; a dielectric material  between two charged plates stores energy. But in a cable, dielectric absorption can degrade the signal. The energy absorbed is released back into the cable slighly delayed in time- an undesirable condition. Dielectric materials are chosen to minimize dielectric absorption. Less expensive cables and interconnects use plastic or PVC for the dielectric. Better cables use polyethylene; the best  cable are made with polypropylene or even Teflon dielectric.
      SKIN EFFECT, and interaction between strands, are the greatest sources of sonic degradation in cables. Skin effect, a condition where more high-frequency signal flows along the conductor's surface, less through the conductor's center. A problem with some cable design, is a tendency for a signal to JUMP from strand to strand if the cable is TWISTED, NATATAPAKAN or NAHAHAMPAS. One strand may be at the outside at a point in the cable, then be on the the inside farther down the cable. Because of skin effect, the signal tends to stay toward the outside of the conductor, causing it  to traverse strands. Each strands interface acts like a small circuit, with capacitance and a diode effect (sorry, too technical here). Individual strands within  a conductor bundle can also INTERACT MAGNETICALLY. Whenever, currents flows down a conductor, a magnetic field is set up around the conductor. If the current is an alternating-current audio signal, the magnetic field will fluctuate identically. This alternating magnetic field can induce a signal in adjacent conductors, and thus degrade the sound. Overall, quality design counts but beware; there's a lot of hype and just plain misinformation about cables. Manufacturers sometimes need to invent technical reasons for why their cables sound better than the competition's. In reality, cable design is largely a black art, with good designs emerging from trial and error  (and careful listening).
 


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« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2006, 03:41:23 PM »
@dantuts

dont settle for less kung quality at quality lang. dont jeopardize your sound. stick with nobelle :)
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« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2006, 04:06:12 PM »
Direk has a very good explanation.  There is such a thing a SCIM effect on cables and wires.  In that shoot out, only ears were used - no equipment.

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« Reply #33 on: November 09, 2006, 04:21:51 PM »
sir yea gamit ko rin yung stag sa speaker.. once na may extra buget na.. papalitan ko ito with speaker amp.. standard length ko sa speaker cable 10 meters.. any more advise??
naku, dapat palitan mo na kaagad ang kable mo! mas malaki ang magagastos mo kung masira ang power amp. kahit na ordinaryong lamp cord lang ang gamitin mo, okey na. mura lang naman ang royal cord e. basta, huwag na huwag ka gumamit ng mic cable sa pagkabit ng speaker sa power amp!

naka stereo ang dalawang 8-ohm speakers mo diba? sa 10 meters na haba ng kable, 18AWG ang minimum gauge thickness ang dapat gamitin mo. pwede din ang 16, 14, at 12-gauge na mas mataba.

kung naka bridged mono ang dalawang 8-ohm speakers mo, ang total impedance ay 4 ohms. sa 10 meters na haba ng kable, 14AWG naman ang minimum gauge thickness ang dapat gamitin. pwede din ang 12-gauge.

huwag ka na gumamit ng stagg sa speaker/amp ha! kahit na royal cord lang ang gamitin mo na speaker cable, okey na...
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« Reply #34 on: November 09, 2006, 04:27:29 PM »
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dont settle for less kung quality at quality lang. dont jeopardize your sound. stick with nobelle

kung quality mas mahal ang KLOTZ compare sa nobelle.. pero i think i'll stick with KLOTZ... iba tunog ng guitar ko sa nobelle e..  :-(
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« Reply #35 on: November 09, 2006, 04:29:05 PM »
SKIN EFFECT, and interaction between strands, are the greatest sources of sonic degradation in cables. Skin effect, a condition where more high-frequency signal flows along the conductor's surface, less through the conductor's center.
The Skin Effect happens when using speaker cables with very heavy gauge.  :-o
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« Reply #36 on: November 11, 2006, 01:08:47 AM »
Ok... lock removed. Carry on!
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