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Offline nantrix

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audio system setup (starter)
« on: March 31, 2014, 02:05:47 AM »
mga masters I need your opinions and suggestions.

plano ko pong mag setup ng sound system

purpose:

for small to medium size events (more or less 30 m x 40 m yung area ng venue-outdoor or indoor)
to be specific: live stage performance for small band like acoustic, small events like brithdays, school events, wedding events and other small gatherings.

ito po sana ang plano ko:

AMPLIFIER- dalawang Crown LPS2500, 550w/channel into 8ohms, 1450w bridge mono. ang isa for mid-hi, at yung isa naman bridge mono for my sub
MIXER- Soundcraft efx12
MICROPHONE- Trident wireless

undecided po ako sa mga sumusunod:
1.Speakers for mid-hi (15")  (budget 14k to 15k pair)   
2.sub   (budget-18k)               
3.Crossover  (budget-5k-7k)      << gusto kong magtry ng AD na brand kaso wala pa akong nababasa na review kaya medyo alinlangan.
4.Compressor(budget-7k)     << gusto kong magtry ng AD na brand kaso wala pa akong nababasa na review kaya medyo alinlangan. AD 166XL? samson? pero ang mahal naman, dbx? sobrang mahal
5.equalizer  (budget-4 to 5k)         << gusto kong magtry ng AD na brand kaso wala pa akong nababasa na review kaya medyo alinlangan.

Yan lang po mga masters. baka may suggestion kayo na mas mapamura maasahang kalidad.



 
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Re: audio system setup (starter)
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2014, 01:09:55 PM »
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« Last Edit: April 02, 2014, 11:09:21 AM by yahu »
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Re: audio system setup (starter)
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2014, 11:10:26 PM »
You may want to consider AD or DVON wireless mics or MIPRO. 2 channel models from this brands would offset the cost of branded wired mics and their cables and connectors plus no trip hazzard, good sound quality pa.
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Re: audio system setup (starter)
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2014, 01:34:21 AM »
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« Last Edit: April 02, 2014, 11:07:54 AM by yahu »
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Re: audio system setup (starter)
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2014, 02:02:16 PM »

ito yung dalawang pagpipilian ko sana na passive speakers:

Samson RS15 HD and AD PRX15< alin ba dito mga masters ang mas ok?
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Re: audio system setup (starter)
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2014, 07:58:50 PM »
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two (2) Samson RSX 115 loudspeaker
two (2) Samson RSX 118S subwoofer
three (3) Crown LPS 2500 power amp

Let's compute...

Power to mid-hi: 2 x 550 watts = 1,100 watts
Power to subs: 2 x 1,450 watts = 2,900 watts
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Total Power: 4,000 watts
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Sensitivity of loudspeaker: 98 decibels per watt @ 1 meter

Required SPL: 90 decibels, Loud Music
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to be specific: live stage performance for small band like acoustic, small events like brithdays, school events, wedding events and other small gatherings.

Loudspeaker's horizontal angle of coverage: 90 degrees
Estimated coverage of single side: 991 square meters
Estimated coverage of both sides: 1,387 square meters
Estimated venue capacity: 1,665 seats
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for small to medium size events (more or less 30 m x 40 m yung area ng venue-outdoor or indoor)

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Re: audio system setup (starter)
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2014, 08:12:01 PM »
Quote from: nantrix on March 31, 2014, 02:05:47 AM
MICROPHONE- Trident wireless

SHURE, AKG or SAMSON

 :cool:
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Re: audio system setup (starter)
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2014, 11:50:38 PM »
Quote from: Tarkuz Toccata on April 01, 2014, 07:58:50 PM
+

two (2) Samson RSX 115 loudspeaker
two (2) Samson RSX 118S subwoofer
three (3) Crown LPS 2500 power amp

Let's compute...

Power to mid-hi: 2 x 550 watts = 1,100 watts
Power to subs: 2 x 1,450 watts = 2,900 watts
-----------------------------------------------------------
Total Power: 4,000 watts
=================================

Sensitivity of loudspeaker: 98 decibels per watt @ 1 meter

Required SPL: 90 decibels, Loud Music
Loudspeaker's horizontal angle of coverage: 90 degrees
Estimated coverage of single side: 991 square meters
Estimated coverage of both sides: 1,387 square meters
Estimated venue capacity: 1,665 seats
 8-)


parang OK to sir, pero hindi ko muna isagad yung suggestion mo na dalawang sub, dagdagan ko nalang sa sunod, at dalawang LPS2500 muna. de-kalidad na pundasyon na to.. available po ba sa audiophile store ang Samson RSX115?

salamat sir!

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Re: audio system setup (starter)
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2014, 12:46:55 PM »
Quote from: nantrix on April 01, 2014, 11:50:38 PM
parang OK to sir, pero hindi ko muna isagad yung suggestion mo na dalawang sub, dagdagan ko nalang sa sunod, at dalawang LPS2500 muna. de-kalidad na pundasyon na to.. available po ba sa audiophile store ang Samson RSX115?

two (2) Samson RSX 115 loudspeaker
one (1) Samson RSX 118S subwoofer
two (2) Crown LPS 2500 power amp

Let's re-compute...

Power to mid-hi: 2 x 550 watts = 1,100 watts
Power to sub: 1 x 1,450 watts = 1,450 watts
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Total Power: 2,550 watts
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Sensitivity of loudspeaker: 98 decibels per watt @ 1 meter

Required SPL: 90 decibels, Loud Music

Loudspeaker's horizontal angle of coverage: 90 degrees
Estimated coverage of single side: 632 square meters
Estimated coverage of both sides: 885 square meters
Estimated venue capacity: 1,061 seats

Suggestion ko, dalawang dual 15" nalang para hindi na kailangan ng sub. Mas mura pa.
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« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2014, 12:55:19 PM »


two (2) Samson RSX 215 loudspeaker
two (2) Crown LPS 2500 power amp

Let's compute...

Total Power: 2 x 1,450 watts = 2,900 watts

Sensitivity of loudspeaker: 98 decibels per watt @ 1 meter

Required SPL: 90 decibels, Loud Music

Loudspeaker's horizontal angle of coverage: 90 degrees
Estimated coverage of single side: 719 square meters
Estimated coverage of both sides: 1,006 square meters
Estimated venue capacity: 1,207 seats

Hindi na kailangan ang crossover.

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« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2014, 03:15:32 PM »
Quote from: yahu on March 31, 2014, 01:09:55 PM
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Quote from: yahu on April 01, 2014, 01:34:21 AM
:wave:

Ni-delete mo? OK naman mga comment mo...

Tama ka, dapat simple lang muna ang sound system lalo na pag nag-uumpisa. Mas madali magbuo ng sound system kung active o powered na ang loudspeaker dahil hindi na problema ang proper matching ng separate power amp sa passive loudspeaker. Kung nagtitipid naman, pwede tumunog ang sound system ng maayos kahit wala munang compressor at graphic eq. Kailangan lang talaga ng matinong mixer. I also prefer reputable brands of audio equipment made by legendary professional audio manufacturers.

*Edit: ...proper matching ng separate...
« Last Edit: April 02, 2014, 05:11:18 PM by Tarkuz Toccata »
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Re: audio system setup (starter)
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2014, 08:19:32 PM »
sir saan pwdeng makabili ng Samson RSX115? may idea ka ba sa price nito?
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Offline Tarkuz Toccata

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« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2014, 09:28:39 PM »
http://www.audiophile.ph/index.php/contact

Pero hindi ko irerekomenda ang dalawang single-15" at isang single-18" sub dahil mali ang ratio ng woofer size. Sayang, masasapawan lang ng dalawang 15" ang isang 18". Makakawawa lang at madaling masisira ang iisang 18" na yan. Dapat talaga dalawa ang 18".

Mas mabuti pa mag dalawang dual-15" nalang kesa dalawang single-15" + isang single 18" setup.
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Re: audio system setup (starter)
« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2014, 12:07:17 PM »
hi mga sir.. newbie po ako sa pro-audio.
for a low budget as in literal na low budget
ok na po ba yung ganitong setup.

1. konzert av 502b 500w karaoke amplifier
2. konzert e12 mixer (12 channel)
3. konzert -  3 Way Dual 12 + Horn (Wood Vinyl / 500w) pair

gagamitin po namin sa simbahan (4 condenser mic for choir, mic for beat box (cajon), mic for bass amp, guitar amp and keyboard amp)

ask ko din kung ilang speaker/watts ang pwede pang idagdag dun sa konzert karaoke amplifier.
or any suggestion for the sound system na di naman gaano kamahal.. we are now raising funds for this equipments .. thanks ..

morepower PM :)
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« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2014, 03:48:36 PM »
Quote from: --randz-- on May 20, 2014, 12:07:17 PM
hi mga sir.. newbie po ako sa pro-audio.
for a low budget as in literal na low budget
ok na po ba yung ganitong setup.

Magkano kaya ang budget?

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1. konzert av 502b 500w karaoke amplifier
2. konzert e12 mixer (12 channel)
3. konzert -  3 Way Dual 12 + Horn (Wood Vinyl / 500w) pair

Wala akong alam sa mga produkto na "Konzert" ang tatak.

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gagamitin po namin sa simbahan (4 condenser mic for choir, mic for beat box (cajon), mic for bass amp, guitar amp and keyboard amp)

Gaanong karami ang mga mangaawit sa koro? Ang isang condenser mic na cardioid pickup pattern ay sapat na para sa hanggang 15 na mangaawit.

Baka hindi na kailangan ng sound reinforcement ang bass amp, guitar amp, at keyboard amp. Ilan watts at ano ang sukat ng woofer ng tatlong amp na yan?

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ask ko din kung ilang speaker/watts ang pwede pang idagdag dun sa konzert karaoke amplifier.
or any suggestion for the sound system na di naman gaano kamahal..

Outdoor ba? Ano ang area at seating capacity?

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Re: audio system setup (starter)
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2014, 09:13:55 PM »
- ah ok sir Tarkuz Toccata...

- mga 30k lang daw budget sa simbahan..nagpapa-canvass kasi ang PARISH PASTORAL COUNCIL namin...
indoor po namin gagamitin.. 20 to 25 members / choir

- yung konzert na brand nakita ko yun sa channel.com.ph ... cheap price.. siguro nga dahil sa hindi kilala yung brand..

- bass amp - 60w, keyboard amp - 40w, guitar amp-40w..

thanks ulit sir :-)
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Re: audio system setup (starter)
« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2014, 02:22:47 PM »
B0s nantrix heto iresearch niyo:

>> Behringer Mdx1600 compressor/limiter/gate. P 6,600.
http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/MDX1600.aspx

>> Behringer Cx2310 2-way crossover. P 6,600.
http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/CX2310.aspx

>> Akg Wms40 Pro Mini Dual Vocal Wireless set. P 10,800.
http://www.thomann.de/gb/akg_wms_40_mini_dual_vocal.htm

>> Peavey Pv231 stereo graphic equalizer. P 8,990.
http://peavey.com/products/index.cfm/item/707/115798/PV%26reg%3B231EQ

Kung 2way passive speaker, mag Jbl kana: Jrx 215. 32,700 ang pair.
http://www.jblpro.com/www/products/portable-market/jrx200-series/jrx215#.U32XYNKSwqM

Ok na yun Crown Lps2500 power amp pero mukhang discontinued na yan.

Sa mixer ok na ok ang Soundcraft.  :)

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« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2014, 02:44:07 PM »
Quote from: --randz-- on May 21, 2014, 09:13:55 PM
- mga 30k lang daw budget sa simbahan..nagpapa-canvass kasi ang PARISH PASTORAL COUNCIL namin...
indoor po namin gagamitin.. 20 to 25 members / choir

- yung konzert na brand nakita ko yun sa channel.com.ph ... cheap price.. siguro nga dahil sa hindi kilala yung brand..

- bass amp - 60w, keyboard amp - 40w, guitar amp-40w..

Dagdagan pa sana ang budget para hindi tayo kapusin.

Mungkahi ko,

  • Peavey PVi 8B PLUS powered mixer 700W, 8-ch
  • Samson RS-215PA loudspeaker, dual 15"

Sana makatulong ito.

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Re: audio system setup (starter)
« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2014, 09:27:06 AM »
goodpm sir.. ask ko lang plan to buy AD MC4000 rated at 1000watts into 8ohms..

gusto ko lang po malaman kung continuous po b ito or peak power na?

gusto ko rin po malaman yung mga usually power rating ng mga speaker dito satin like crown jackhammer or yung mga pro driver nila 1000watts,500watts, 1500watts PEAK POWER po pa ito or nominal power rating lang.. pwde ko po ba ematch ang 1000watts peak power na driver sa ad mc4000 ratd at 1000watts..??.


salamat po...
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Re: audio system setup (starter)
« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2014, 10:10:23 AM »
Quote from: Tarkuz Toccata on May 22, 2014, 02:44:07 PM
Dagdagan pa sana ang budget para hindi tayo kapusin.

Mungkahi ko,

  • Peavey PVi 8B PLUS powered mixer 700W, 8-ch
  • Samson RS-215PA loudspeaker, dual 15"

Sana makatulong ito.

ok sir maraming salamat.. i will propose this to the PPC..
check ko na rin ang price..  :)
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Re: audio system setup (starter)
« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2014, 11:44:01 PM »
goodpm sir.. ask ko lang plan to buy AD MC4000 rated at 1000watts into 8ohms..

gusto ko lang po malaman kung continuous po b ito or peak power na?

gusto ko rin po malaman yung mga usually power rating ng mga speaker dito satin like crown jackhammer or yung mga pro driver nila 1000watts,500watts, 1500watts PEAK POWER po pa ito or nominal power rating lang.. pwde ko po ba ematch ang 1000watts peak power na driver sa ad mc4000 ratd at 1000watts..??.


salamat po...
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« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2014, 04:31:34 AM »
Quote from: tjlimjoco on May 22, 2014, 02:22:47 PM
B0s nantrix heto iresearch niyo:

>> Behringer Mdx1600 compressor/limiter/gate. P 6,600.
http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/MDX1600.aspx

>> Behringer Cx2310 2-way crossover. P 6,600.
http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/CX2310.aspx

>> Akg Wms40 Pro Mini Dual Vocal Wireless set. P 10,800.
http://www.thomann.de/gb/akg_wms_40_mini_dual_vocal.htm

>> Peavey Pv231 stereo graphic equalizer. P 8,990.
http://peavey.com/products/index.cfm/item/707/115798/PV%26reg%3B231EQ

Kung 2way passive speaker, mag Jbl kana: Jrx 215. 32,700 ang pair.
http://www.jblpro.com/www/products/portable-market/jrx200-series/jrx215#.U32XYNKSwqM

Ok na yun Crown Lps2500 power amp pero mukhang discontinued na yan.

Sa mixer ok na ok ang Soundcraft.  :)


>> Behringer Cx2310 <<< ito rin yung plano kong bibilhin na crossover Sir. nakabili na ako ng passive speaker na Beta3 TS360, satisfied din naman ako sa performance.
I'm planning to add 1-18passive subwoofer. ano po ba ang magandang subwoofer raw driver na 18", gagawa nalang ako ng speaker cabs para makatipid.

anong magandang subwoofer cabinet design ang maganda?:

x1 (bandpass type)?
ported enclosure?


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Re: audio system setup (starter)
« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2014, 07:52:54 PM »
@nantrix: bro san ka nakakuha ng b3? mas mura ba sa raon or ok na ung sa musicsource?
thanks!
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« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2014, 10:59:42 PM »
Quote from: nantrix on May 25, 2014, 04:31:34 AM
I'm planning to add 1-18passive subwoofer.

Why not two (2) 1x18" or one (1) 2x18" subwoofer?
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Re: audio system setup (starter)
« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2014, 01:54:46 AM »
Quote from: ronald_rko on May 25, 2014, 07:52:54 PM
@nantrix: bro san ka nakakuha ng b3? mas mura ba sa raon or ok na ung sa musicsource?
thanks!

Sir mas mura sa Raon kay sir Raymund Go -Raygin sya tata ang pinakamura. I-pm lang sa FB nya
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