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« Reply #75 on: April 14, 2009, 09:01:50 PM »

he he he... kung ano yung sinabi ni peeves :-)

kung pang practice lang, ok na yung portable --- unless marami kang pera, time, patience, knack for reading and experimenting :-)

portable recorders, built in na yung mics.. ready to go na kaagad yun..

eto sample ng tascam dr1 in a drumming context:

in a solo artist context

meron din siguro dyan in a band context...

sa zoom meron din




wowo napanood ko yung 2 tascam sample vids. panalo na sya ah! :lol:

question lang sir. pwede po ba magrecord ako ng isang drum cover, say naka earphones/ipod ako para hindi marecord ng tascam/zoom yung music. kumbaga drums alone lang yung rinecord ko, then mayamaya wanted to combine both...
softwares and pc's na po ba bahala dito to fuse the drums and the rest together?

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« Reply #76 on: April 14, 2009, 09:32:36 PM »
wowo napanood ko yung 2 tascam sample vids. panalo na sya ah! :lol:

question lang sir. pwede po ba magrecord ako ng isang drum cover, say naka earphones/ipod ako para hindi marecord ng tascam/zoom yung music. kumbaga drums alone lang yung rinecord ko, then mayamaya wanted to combine both...
softwares and pc's na po ba bahala dito to fuse the drums and the rest together?

thanks for the help!!

pwedeng software and pc... pwede din namang yung recorder.. kung gusto mo mapaghiwalay yung original at yung drum parts lang, pwedeng record mo lang ung drums tapos pc/software na bahala.. Meron din namang mga recorder na tumatanggap ng dalawang inputs tapos simultaneous 2 track recording.. meron namang iba na isang track recording lang pero pwede ka mag overdub (so yung original ang overdub.. Depende din sa capabilities nung recorder kung pwede ka magbounce  sa isang track (basically pagsasamahin mo ung dalawang track).

Hindi ko lang alam kung may locally available na tascam dr1 sa pinas... Pero kung ako papipiliin, mas gusto ko ung tascam dr1 kaysa dun sa zoom h4/h2.

Nga pala, maganda yang iniisip mo na irecord ung tugtog mo for improvement purposes - yan din ung isa sa mga reasons ko why I wanted to record.. It's a very humbling experience.. Dati sa pandinig ko parang ok na pero nung nirecord ko, ang pangit pala.. hindi pantay pantay ang tunog, wala sa timing, at iba pang mga problems... Lalo na sa hihats, and yung pag line up ng mga notes.. hindi ganung kadali pagandahin.. Hihat, snare and kick lang na pagagandahin (consistent, even, on time) ang tunog, sobrang hirap na.. Pero recording lets you know saan yugn problem and dun magfocus...


BTW, kung meron kang isang dynamic mic and gusto mo lang sumubok magrecord, try mo lang ikabit sa computer mo via the line in tapos download ka ng audacity then pwede ka na magrecord dun.. I've been meaning to document some things na pwedeng gawin with this setup pero walang maiallot na time kaya hindi ko magawa.. he hehe...

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Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
« Reply #77 on: April 14, 2009, 09:49:28 PM »
pards, kung single pedal lang rerecord mo, pwede ko marecomend yung usb mic na samson, 4k plus lang  sa audiophile. kailangan mo lang makuha yung tamang position, tutunog na ng maganda. tapos may free software na sa net, mixcraft (kaso nag eexpire, pag nagexpire di ka na makakasave ng mp3 file uli hehehe) pwede mo na lagyan mga reverb o compression. mapagchachagaan na kung pampractice lang. pero kung double pedal rerecord mo, di maganda kakalabasan, di kasi pantay yung tunog ng slave beater sa main beater.

pero at the end of the day, baka magbabago taste mo maghahanap ka ng pro quality, dun na magiging madugo ang pagbuo ng gamit. hehehe  :-D

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« Reply #78 on: April 15, 2009, 01:39:39 AM »
pwedeng software and pc... pwede din namang yung recorder.. kung gusto mo mapaghiwalay yung original at yung drum parts lang, pwedeng record mo lang ung drums tapos pc/software na bahala.. Meron din namang mga recorder na tumatanggap ng dalawang inputs tapos simultaneous 2 track recording.. meron namang iba na isang track recording lang pero pwede ka mag overdub (so yung original ang overdub.. Depende din sa capabilities nung recorder kung pwede ka magbounce  sa isang track (basically pagsasamahin mo ung dalawang track).

Hindi ko lang alam kung may locally available na tascam dr1 sa pinas... Pero kung ako papipiliin, mas gusto ko ung tascam dr1 kaysa dun sa zoom h4/h2.

Nga pala, maganda yang iniisip mo na irecord ung tugtog mo for improvement purposes - yan din ung isa sa mga reasons ko why I wanted to record.. It's a very humbling experience.. Dati sa pandinig ko parang ok na pero nung nirecord ko, ang pangit pala.. hindi pantay pantay ang tunog, wala sa timing, at iba pang mga problems... Lalo na sa hihats, and yung pag line up ng mga notes.. hindi ganung kadali pagandahin.. Hihat, snare and kick lang na pagagandahin (consistent, even, on time) ang tunog, sobrang hirap na.. Pero recording lets you know saan yugn problem and dun magfocus...


BTW, kung meron kang isang dynamic mic and gusto mo lang sumubok magrecord, try mo lang ikabit sa computer mo via the line in tapos download ka ng audacity then pwede ka na magrecord dun.. I've been meaning to document some things na pwedeng gawin with this setup pero walang maiallot na time kaya hindi ko magawa.. he hehe...

onga sir eh, one time kasi nagtry ako mgrecord sa phone lang.expected ko na yung sabog na sound since phone lang gamit ko pero narinig ko yung timing ko at beats na ginawa ko....parang sagwa ng dating.hehe kaya naisip ko na irecord ng maayos na rin.

ganda nga ng tuscam sir, parang walang nabago dun sa quality nung sound nung sa link na binigay nyo about sa solo artist.

in a solo artist context
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pards, kung single pedal lang rerecord mo, pwede ko marecomend yung usb mic na samson, 4k plus lang  sa audiophile. kailangan mo lang makuha yung tamang position, tutunog na ng maganda. tapos may free software na sa net, mixcraft (kaso nag eexpire, pag nagexpire di ka na makakasave ng mp3 file uli hehehe) pwede mo na lagyan mga reverb o compression. mapagchachagaan na kung pampractice lang. pero kung double pedal rerecord mo, di maganda kakalabasan, di kasi pantay yung tunog ng slave beater sa main beater.

pero at the end of the day, baka magbabago taste mo maghahanap ka ng pro quality, dun na magiging madugo ang pagbuo ng gamit. hehehe  :-D

hehe napakinggan ko nga yung recordings mo sa isang thread. ganda ng tunog,
siguro nga kung mahihirapan ako mag purchase ng tuscam, siguro try ko na rin yung ginamit mo sir.

tanung ko lang sir, prang plug and play lang po ba yun usb mic? saksak ko sa pc then maybe may software lang ako install that came with the mic...tapos diretso record na? 
and after buying, uwi na po ako then enjoy recording na or may iba pa po kailangan bilin or softwares na kailangan install?hehehe  :-D

thanks for the help! :-D



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Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
« Reply #79 on: April 15, 2009, 03:10:16 AM »

Watch this. This video ABSOLUTELY made it for me. I bought the Samson C01u after I heard this. And I'm glad to say, I can make recordings "near" this quality. My drums aren't up to spec kasi and my room isn't fully acoustically treated. :lol:
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« Reply #80 on: April 15, 2009, 04:53:55 AM »
onga sir eh, one time kasi nagtry ako mgrecord sa phone lang.expected ko na yung sabog na sound since phone lang gamit ko pero narinig ko yung timing ko at beats na ginawa ko....parang sagwa ng dating.hehe kaya naisip ko na irecord ng maayos na rin.

ganda nga ng tuscam sir, parang walang nabago dun sa quality nung sound nung sa link na binigay nyo about sa solo artist.

in a solo artist context
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hehe napakinggan ko nga yung recordings mo sa isang thread. ganda ng tunog,
siguro nga kung mahihirapan ako mag purchase ng tuscam, siguro try ko na rin yung ginamit mo sir.

tanung ko lang sir, prang plug and play lang po ba yun usb mic? saksak ko sa pc then maybe may software lang ako install that came with the mic...tapos diretso record na? 
and after buying, uwi na po ako then enjoy recording na or may iba pa po kailangan bilin or softwares na kailangan install?hehehe  :-D

thanks for the help! :-D





yung nagamit ko na usb mic, nadetect ng linux. I'm sure madedetect ng windows ang mga usb mics. Tapos download ka lang ng audacity, pwede ka na magrecord dun.. Tingin ko pwede rin ung built in sound recorder sa windows pero audacity ang ginamit ko..

check out audacity here

http://audacity.sourceforge.net/

libre yan :-)

kuhanin mo ung bagong (beta) version  -- madali na ung pag slow down ng songs dun sa version na yun..

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Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
« Reply #81 on: April 15, 2009, 06:27:40 AM »
salamat sa mga reply paps! mahal ko kayo  :lol:
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« Reply #82 on: April 15, 2009, 08:26:31 AM »

BTW, di ko po ata natanggap yun pm sir.hehe thanks for the early advice sir!
naisip ko na rin na mapapagastos ako pero at least to the minimum expense lang.

pano po ba yung set up nung portable recorders?
one recorder then sasaksakan ko ng ilang mics? or one mic para sa lahat na po?

ok na sakin yung clear yung sound. basta marinig ko lang yung tiempo ko plus yung tono ng drums. :-D



yung pm ko open invite lang yun para pumunta sa bahay at para marinig mo yung difference nung cheap setup sa medyo decent. feeling ko lang mas malaking tulong sa nagsisimula yung marinig agad yung dapat marinig para ma shortcut na yung trial and error at makatipid

kung malapit ka lang sa muntinlupa or ok lang sa yo dumayo sa munti e di mas makakatulong yun sa pagdecide mo


i would prefer portable recorders over usb mics kasi mas madaling dalin kahit saan kaya pwede sa band rehearsal nyo or kung may clinic kang gustong irecord. wala ring problema sa positioning yung portable recorder kasi hindi ka limitado sa wire. mono lang yung usb mic pero yung portable recorder e naka stereo tapos may option pa magsaksak ng 2 more mics.

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Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
« Reply #83 on: April 15, 2009, 10:27:19 AM »

hehe napakinggan ko nga yung recordings mo sa isang thread. ganda ng tunog,
siguro nga kung mahihirapan ako mag purchase ng tuscam, siguro try ko na rin yung ginamit mo sir.

tanung ko lang sir, prang plug and play lang po ba yun usb mic? saksak ko sa pc then maybe may software lang ako install that came with the mic...tapos diretso record na? 
and after buying, uwi na po ako then enjoy recording na or may iba pa po kailangan bilin or softwares na kailangan install?hehehe  :-D

thanks for the help! :-D





yup plug and play na un, download ka lang ng any wav or multitrack recorder sa net makakapaagrecord ka na.  :-D napakingan ko rin ung gawa ni peeves dun sa isang thread, gamit nya ung presonus, masasabi ko malayo nga difference ng sound. in your face ung tunog ng kick drum at crystal clear ang mga cymbals nya.  :-D

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« Reply #84 on: April 15, 2009, 04:08:43 PM »
the easiest way is to get a recorder like the zoom h4..portable...pero kung gusto mo, pwede ka rin kumuha ng SM57, a boom mic stand, a mixer, a computer program, pero medyo madugo yan. you can position the mic above the bass drum, facing toward the snare....

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« Reply #85 on: April 15, 2009, 04:15:28 PM »
@ phfreq, thanks for the help! :-D chek ko yung site mamaya

@ peeves...ahh sayang kabilang ibayo pa ata ako. sa taytay pa ako!hehe pero sige po sir peeves, kung sakaling mahanapan ko ng oras dadayo ako jan! sayang din yung chansa, :-D

thanks for the invite!

@boy_mata, thanks! chek ko mamaya yung mic sa audiophile...meron ba dun? parang nabasa ko sa tread na ginawa mo eh.hehe

@nikogulo, siguro start muna ako sa portable then bago ako magexplore sa mor professional recording stuffs!hehe taghirap pamandin ako.hehe salamat! :-D
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« Reply #86 on: April 15, 2009, 10:12:47 PM »
galing ako sa audiophile kanina, nakita ko yung samson co3u na usb mic nila dun. worth 5k plus din sya. may software na rin na kasama, sa salonga naman may zoom daw sila pero hindi yung h4 yung pinakita sakin.hehe 12k, pero 7kplus dahil sa discount na.
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« Reply #87 on: April 16, 2009, 10:22:17 AM »
WATTTT?? DI NGA!!!  :-o

7k++ lang yung h4? bilin mo na yun

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« Reply #88 on: April 16, 2009, 11:28:28 AM »
zoom po sya pero hindi h4 yung tinuro sakin eh. tapos anlayo pa dun sa nakita kong h4 sa net.hehe.
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« Reply #89 on: April 16, 2009, 12:22:46 PM »
ahhh hindi ko na nabasa ng tama yung post mo hehehe. malamang h2 yun

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« Reply #90 on: April 16, 2009, 04:34:12 PM »
Napagdaanan ko na yang bisyo na yan at after several months na pangungulit kila peeves, I'm proud to say na naka getover na ako sa gastos at sa "itch" (although sometimes bumabalik)  After several mics and a couple of mixers, (na eventualy binenta ko lahat), proud owner ako ng Samson CO1U USB Condenser Mic.  Nakakamiss yung multiple mic setup pero at the end, ang naging biggest factor for me is the process of setting-up itself.  Minimalistic ang approach ko sa drumming at sa maraming bagay.  With my previous setups, parang ang daming kailangang i monitor na gears (pero kasama na ata yun sa enjoyment na nabibigay ng bisyo na to) tapos dami pwedeng configs kaya sa maghapon na practice, bago ako makapalo eh puro experiment muna ang gagawin mo sa setup bago finally makapag practice. So sa 5 hours na practice, mga 1 hour lang ang actual palo time ko.  Hindi kasi ako mapakali kasi alam ko na may iba pang possible setups para ma improve yung labas ng tunog.  Indirectly, na disiplina ko yung sarili ko sa USB mic kasi, setup is very easy at pag nahanap mo na yung sweet spot sa room mo, you'd be surprised to know na mas nakakapag focus ka sa pag practice rather than yung mismong method ng pag rerecording ang focus mo.  Im not discouraging anyone but nung na "hook" ako sa recording eh parang yun ang naging priority ko at yung crave for better gears never stops, sa case ko mas malala pa ung upgrade itch sa recording kesa sa gears.  :-( But then again, that's just for me... Kanya kanyang disiplina naman yan eh.  BTW, I own a 10" Lappie so pag nag practice kami sa studio, madaling dalhin yung USB mic.  Pasadong quality (for me) all the time, kahit gigs pa.  :-)

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« Reply #91 on: April 16, 2009, 04:45:05 PM »
Napagdaanan ko na yang bisyo na yan at after several months na pangungulit kila peeves, I'm proud to say na naka getover na ako sa gastos at sa "itch" (although sometimes bumabalik)  After several mics and a couple of mixers, (na eventualy binenta ko lahat), proud owner ako ng Samson CO1U USB Condenser Mic.  Nakakamiss yung multiple mic setup pero at the end, ang naging biggest factor for me is the process of setting-up itself.  Minimalistic ang approach ko sa drumming at sa maraming bagay.  With my previous setups, parang ang daming kailangang i monitor na gears (pero kasama na ata yun sa enjoyment na nabibigay ng bisyo na to) tapos dami pwedeng configs kaya sa maghapon na practice, bago ako makapalo eh puro experiment muna ang gagawin mo sa setup bago finally makapag practice. So sa 5 hours na practice, mga 1 hour lang ang actual palo time ko.  Hindi kasi ako mapakali kasi alam ko na may iba pang possible setups para ma improve yung labas ng tunog.  Indirectly, na disiplina ko yung sarili ko sa USB mic kasi, setup is very easy at pag nahanap mo na yung sweet spot sa room mo, you'd be surprised to know na mas nakakapag focus ka sa pag practice rather than yung mismong method ng pag rerecording ang focus mo.  Im not discouraging anyone but nung na "hook" ako sa recording eh parang yun ang naging priority ko at yung crave for better gears never stops, sa case ko mas malala pa ung upgrade itch sa recording kesa sa gears.  :-( But then again, that's just for me... Kanya kanyang disiplina naman yan eh.  BTW, I own a 10" Lappie so pag nag practice kami sa studio, madaling dalhin yung USB mic.  Pasadong quality (for me) all the time, kahit gigs pa.  :-)

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salamat sir mondi! yaan mo iiwasan ko na ma-hook dito...makakatulong dito yung kawalan ko ng pera.hehehe
thanks for the advice para na rin sa mga interesado sa recording stuffs. gaya nga ng sabi ni sir peeves,
"feeling ko lang mas malaking tulong sa nagsisimula yung marinig agad yung dapat marinig para ma shortcut na yung trial and error at makatipid" or in some cases may idea na sa papasukin bago pa mapasubo.hehe

salamat salamat!
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« Reply #92 on: April 16, 2009, 04:50:04 PM »
good for you mondi!  :-D

ako hindi na bisyo para sa kin ang recording, obsession na sya.

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« Reply #93 on: April 16, 2009, 10:58:41 PM »
check nyo yung sound clips dito http://peeves24.multiply.com/music/item/32

gumawa ako ng short clip pero hinimay ko yung mics. merong single condenser para maemulate yung usb mic. merong 1 pair ng overheads para kunyari portable recorder ginamit. tapos merong ding yung parehong clip na may added bass drum for more presence and punch

yung usb mic kuno, nasa likod lang ng tenga ko nakapwesto yung mic tapos nakatutok pababa sa snare yung mic

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« Reply #94 on: April 27, 2009, 01:26:39 AM »
eto mga samples/ilang seconds snippets nung paglalaro ko ng mga settings and placement, etc... 2 overhead condensers, 1 snare mic, i kick mic tapos isang mic lang dun sa floor tom.. yung dalawang rack toms yung overhead condensers and ung snare mic lang ang nakakakuha nung sound ngayon.

Still need to work on tuning and other settings habang nagrerecord. 14" paiste hihat and 18" istanbul crash ride and mapex drums.

Snare is tuned relatively tight yung batter tapos medium yung reso. Sa mga susunod try ko naman ung tight both batter and reso tapos siguro ung loose din. Napapansin ko, kailangan taasan ng konti ang tuning para mas magproject and mas makuha ung tono na "tingin mo naririnig mo" dun sa kit without the mic..

Kick has some muffling on the reso head. walang nakalagay sa loob nung shell.

Sa page na yan, yung snowball na track, yan yung single usb blue snowball mic recording.. walang processing.. tapos hindi ko pa masyado pinaglaruan ung tuning and placement kaya ang taas ng reverb dun sa room.

Tapos ung "messing  around" yan naman yung dinescribe ko sa itaas na may mga overheads...

sound samples at soundboard
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« Reply #95 on: April 27, 2009, 06:58:14 PM »
Bili lang ng bili while supply last.....ehehehehe
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« Reply #96 on: April 28, 2009, 01:35:08 AM »
btw, in the spirit of the original intention of this thread, sabihin ko lang na dahil sa pagrecord and pakikinig dun sa mga narecord, nalaman ko na ang laki ng pagiging hindi even ng hihat hits ko kapag hand to hand (16ths L & R) and ung kick ko (right foot) madalas behind the beat. Yung sa hihats, medyo nag even out na ng konti pero hindi pa rin ganung kaeven.. yung sa kick naman ang susunod :-)

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« Reply #97 on: April 29, 2009, 10:15:57 AM »
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Drum microphones
« Reply #98 on: December 05, 2009, 03:08:02 PM »
I really don't have an idea sa pag mic ng drums, anyway plan ko kasi subukan i-mic yung setup ko. To those na may experience na, please give me an advice on what to do, how and the equipments i need. thanks guys!

Btw, which brand of drum mics do you prefer and why?

1. Shure
2. Samson
3. Audix
4. Seinnheiser
5. Audio-technica
6. Audix
7. Apex
8. Bardl
9. Others (pls specify)

mods: if ever may exisitng topic na ganito, paki merge na lang. thanks!
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« Reply #99 on: December 05, 2009, 03:09:50 PM »
I hope you could also include Bardl drum mics. :)