Home Recording (Bedroom Players)

[chiqgarcia]

Go for the interface first bro, mas importante yan.

@dharz

used: starts @ 4k or so dito or sa olx.

OT: pag ako nanalo ng lotto, ito gusto ko...

http://musiccomputing.com/studioblade-5-88-key-windows/

[sonicassault]

^tsk sa drum set palang tatlo na 

what if using software like cubase irecord ko na lang sila isa isa using one or two mic directly to PC?

Eto sir based solely on experience, although talagang barebones demo mode yung resulta:
nung college ako wala pa akong pera, ang meron lang ako electric guitar at bass. ganto ako nagrecord ng full band demo:

1. download ng free software drums. tunog drum machine obviously, kaya dun sa panning and effects nya, tinimpla ko para tunog mas realistic at stereo drums effect.
2. program drums. pag na-program na, export to wav file (kasi demo version lang).
3. download ng REAPER. ito yung DAW ko hanggang ngayon.
4. ilagay sa isang track yung wav file na galing sa drum machine.
5. kuha ng gitara, lagay  ng 1/4" to 18" adapter, tapos saksak sa mic/line in ng laptop
6. gamit ang free VST guitar effects, nagrecord ako ng guitar parts.
7. lipat cable sa bass, record ng bass gamit pa rin yung mic/line in ng laptop
8. bili ng cdr-king na PC mic. hindi yung parang pang-PA, yung parang maliit na karaoke mic shape
9. dinala ko yung kabanda ko sa loob ng kotse na patay yung aircon tapos nagrecord ng vocals
10. dalawang buwan i-autotune yung vocals
11. i-mix gamit ang free VST effects (SIR Impulse Reverb I love you)
12. export, iupload sa soundcloud (check mo sir yung number1_e na song sa link ko, yun ito)

Total mics used: 1

Ang kaso sir sa samson G7, ok lang for vocals, tityagain lang sa EQ, pero sureball sabog yung drums at gitara nyan. walang headroom yung mga USB mic na yan kasi mataas yung built in gain nya. by the time na mahanap mo yung right spot sa kwarto na hindi magcclip yung signal, puro room sound na lang ang mapipickup.

Kung ako sir at super limited talaga ang budget, bibili ako ng isang interface, tsaka isang condenser mic (AT2020 talaga para sakin). tiyagaan sa mic placement, especially sa drums (pero good luck ang hirap nun, di pa ako successful sa one mic drum technique), pero at least covered lahat. kung hindi condenser, Audix i5. Sorry sa SM57 fans, pero mas matinis yung voicing ng i5 kaya mas cymbal friendly pag gipit talaga.

[dharzfreeman]

Eto sir based solely on experience, although talagang barebones demo mode yung resulta:
nung college ako wala pa akong pera, ang meron lang ako electric guitar at bass. ganto ako nagrecord ng full band demo:

1. download ng free software drums. tunog drum machine obviously, kaya dun sa panning and effects nya, tinimpla ko para tunog mas realistic at stereo drums effect.
2. program drums. pag na-program na, export to wav file (kasi demo version lang).
3. download ng REAPER. ito yung DAW ko hanggang ngayon.
4. ilagay sa isang track yung wav file na galing sa drum machine.
5. kuha ng gitara, lagay  ng 1/4" to 18" adapter, tapos saksak sa mic/line in ng laptop
6. gamit ang free VST guitar effects, nagrecord ako ng guitar parts.
7. lipat cable sa bass, record ng bass gamit pa rin yung mic/line in ng laptop
8. bili ng cdr-king na PC mic. hindi yung parang pang-PA, yung parang maliit na karaoke mic shape
9. dinala ko yung kabanda ko sa loob ng kotse na patay yung aircon tapos nagrecord ng vocals
10. dalawang buwan i-autotune yung vocals
11. i-mix gamit ang free VST effects (SIR Impulse Reverb I love you)
12. export, iupload sa soundcloud (check mo sir yung number1_e na song sa link ko, yun ito)

Total mics used: 1

Ang kaso sir sa samson G7, ok lang for vocals, tityagain lang sa EQ, pero sureball sabog yung drums at gitara nyan. walang headroom yung mga USB mic na yan kasi mataas yung built in gain nya. by the time na mahanap mo yung right spot sa kwarto na hindi magcclip yung signal, puro room sound na lang ang mapipickup.

Kung ako sir at super limited talaga ang budget, bibili ako ng isang interface, tsaka isang condenser mic (AT2020 talaga para sakin). tiyagaan sa mic placement, especially sa drums (pero good luck ang hirap nun, di pa ako successful sa one mic drum technique), pero at least covered lahat. kung hindi condenser, Audix i5. Sorry sa SM57 fans, pero mas matinis yung voicing ng i5 kaya mas cymbal friendly pag gipit talaga.

galing ah.. napagtiyagaan nyo yun.. hirap niyan nagiging multi-instrumentalist ka na nito kapag hindi mo gusto ginawa ng kabanda mo haha
sakin naman kasi starter pa lang talaga ako dahil madalas naman kami mag jam sa bahay.. narinig ko narin yang reaper at pro-tools gamit ng kakilala ko

yup ang intention ko lang talaga sa samson Q7 para lang sa vocs...para sa drums iba talaga.. mangangailangan talaga mixer para sa drums including guitars
dapat pala e.drums mas advantage sa ganito.. salamat sonic

[JanMayer]

Pangbinyag sa Mackie CR3 monitors ko. The mix sounded good on the CR3.

https://soundcloud.com/lei-guitarist/song-idea-number-24

Ang ganda neto 

[sonicassault]

galing ah.. napagtiyagaan nyo yun.. hirap niyan nagiging multi-instrumentalist ka na nito kapag hindi mo gusto ginawa ng kabanda mo haha
sakin naman kasi starter pa lang talaga ako dahil madalas naman kami mag jam sa bahay.. narinig ko narin yang reaper at pro-tools gamit ng kakilala ko

yup ang intention ko lang talaga sa samson Q7 para lang sa vocs...para sa drums iba talaga.. mangangailangan talaga mixer para sa drums including guitars
dapat pala e.drums mas advantage sa ganito.. salamat sonic

kung mixer ang gagamitin nyo sir, and considering mahal talaga ang audio interface pag lagpas na ng 2 XLR inputs, maganda kung may makukuha kayo na may built in reverb at effects dahil sa mixer na mismo kayo magmimix, kasi yung walong inputs sa mixer, magiging stereo na lang pagdatin sa computer. halatang tunog demo nga lang pero at least may certain level na ng polish. 

[chiqgarcia]

@dharz...

op teka teka, speed bump (pasensiya na ha). since drums are very loud, kelangan mong mahanap yung good enough compromise between signal and floor noise (peaks/transients that do not clip while noise is kept at minimum/none). otherwise, you will have to (tantararan!)... buy a compressor. most 1u rack compressors have a dual mono configuration. so, headache nanaman yan (google google ng 'dbx price').

tapos isa pang limitation na nakikita ko with the 3-mic drum kit approach is that it's all 'bleed' and that you can't really control the hihat/cymbal volume (baka kayanin ng low-pass filter siguro)... unless robot yung drummer niyo. when you think about it, you're actually recording the room with someone playing drums.

haay gastos talaga ng music kahit na hobby lang...

[sonicassault]

tapos isa pang limitation na nakikita ko with the 3-mic drum kit approach is that it's all 'bleed' and that you can't really control the hihat/cymbal volume (baka kayanin ng low-pass filter siguro)... unless robot yung drummer niyo. when you think about it, you're actually recording the room with someone playing drums.

tama si sir chiqgarcia dito! although 70s-80s eh normal lang yan na 3-4 mics lang ang nasa drums.

pag 3 mic drums talagang skill ng drummer plus skill ng engineer saka lang magkakaroon ng magandang recording.

usually ang setup nyan close mic na kick drum, tapos dalawang overhead. sari-sari din ang technique sa overhead na yan, depende sa kung gusto mo ng stereo, or mono pero balanse ang tunog.

generally pag 3 mic drums mas maganda na yung overheads mas mataas para mas balanse yung sound. may nabasa ako na article, na malaking part ng mix mo yung overheads ng drums. pagmas mababa mas ma-cymbals, pag mas mataas mas balanced.

and then generally, salpak ng compressor 

merong torrent na umiikot sa internet na individual master tracks ng Superstition ni Stevie Wonder. yung drums 3 tracks din, kick plus two overheads.
http://homerecording.about.com/od/mixingyourmusic/a/mixing_superstition.htm

[chiqgarcia]

@sonic

nakampuch.... ang galeng pala ni stevie wonder mag-drums! instantly recognizable kase intro ng superstition eh. parang tuloy panis si jeff porcaro (rosanna/toto).

[Boxedking]

May napanood ako dati na video kung saan nilagyan ng trigger yun acoustic drums. The intention was to maintain the acoustic feel without the hassle of recording acoustically. The drum VST like EZ Drummer, Superior Drummer, Steven Slate, Addictive Drums 2, and the likes can definitely cover for the drum recording part.

[sonicassault]

@sonic

nakampuch.... ang galeng pala ni stevie wonder mag-drums! instantly recognizable kase intro ng superstition eh. parang tuloy panis si jeff porcaro (rosanna/toto).

pero sir iba rin yung si porcaro! di ko pa nagagawa yung rosanna groove nya 

May napanood ako dati na video kung saan nilagyan ng trigger yun acoustic drums. The intention was to maintain the acoustic feel without the hassle of recording acoustically. The drum VST like EZ Drummer, Superior Drummer, Steven Slate, Addictive Drums 2, and the likes can definitely cover for the drum recording part.

tapos mga 6-10k din yung trigger I/O, 2k kung commercial trigger, or less cash pero DIY naman 

na-field ko na rin to sa isang thread sa PinoyDrums, bili ka sir kunwari ng e-drums na cheap (basta my MIDI out yung brain) para gamiting trigger for toms and kick drums, pero acoustic yung snare at cymbals. that way, kahit 3 mics lang (1 snare, 2 overheads) tunog close miked lahat.

[Boxedking]

The video I saw before was an-all-DIY thing. Low budget trigger yun ginawa nila.

[sonicassault]

The video I saw before was an-all-DIY thing. Low budget trigger yun ginawa nila.

gusto ko to gawin di lang ako bihasa sa electronics

[chiqgarcia]

OT

been eyeing a certain mic pre equipped with a 12AX7A tube.

Q:
1. ano ba life expectancy ng mga tubes?
2. pag na-pundi, saan ba mga local sources and magkano?

[sonicassault]

OT

been eyeing a certain mic pre equipped with a 12AX7A tube.

Q:
1. ano ba life expectancy ng mga tubes?
2. pag na-pundi, saan ba mga local sources and magkano?

OT din: talaga bang mas maganda ang mic pre na may tube? di ba dapat mas maganda pag transparent yung pre (ergo, solidstate) tapos sa AD converter magkakatalo, para lumabas yung true tone ng mics?

[Ralph_Petrucci]

OT

been eyeing a certain mic pre equipped with a 12AX7A tube.

Q:
1. ano ba life expectancy ng mga tubes?
2. pag na-pundi, saan ba mga local sources and magkano?

tubes are really unpredicatable. constantly used, it lasts anywhere from 6months to 2 years.

as long as tama yung paggamit (proper warm up, cool down, no sudden shocks), it will have no issues.


maraming sellers ng tubes. sa PM Classifieds, anjan si spudmusic (SpankyRigor)
Meron din sa deeco.

oras na magpalit pag iba na ang tunog, or no output na.

[Ralph_Petrucci]

OT din: talaga bang mas maganda ang mic pre na may tube? di ba dapat mas maganda pag transparent yung pre (ergo, solidstate) tapos sa AD converter magkakatalo, para lumabas yung true tone ng mics?

usually kasi mas may headroom ang tube based preamp. pag nagclip ang preamp pag nareach niya yung peak niya, ang clipping sa solidstate, symmetrical, meaning, nagiging rough sounding (eto yung tunog lata as some would say).

ang tube clipping kasi, asymmetrical. meaning, natural shape parin so, kahit malakas or nagppeak na, pleasing parin to the ears.


IMHO tho, sa mic preamp, anything goes. dadaan at dadaan naman sa post prodding yan eh. unless old school ka at gusto mo ng unadulterated sound.

[sonicassault]

usually kasi mas may headroom ang tube based preamp. pag nagclip ang preamp pag nareach niya yung peak niya, ang clipping sa solidstate, symmetrical, meaning, nagiging rough sounding (eto yung tunog lata as some would say).

ang tube clipping kasi, asymmetrical. meaning, natural shape parin so, kahit malakas or nagppeak na, pleasing parin to the ears.


IMHO tho, sa mic preamp, anything goes. dadaan at dadaan naman sa post prodding yan eh. unless old school ka at gusto mo ng unadulterated sound.

ohhhh. makes sense, kaya tube din ang weapon of choice sa blues guitar! #TheMoreYouKnow

[Ralph_Petrucci]

ohhhh. makes sense, kaya tube din ang weapon of choice sa blues guitar! #TheMoreYouKnow

exactly. kaya usually, tube amp lang plus OD, busog na ang blues guitarist. kasi yung pagpush ng OD sa tubes ng amp, magiging swabeng Drive or borderline distortion na yung tunog.

as opposed sa mga solidstate na pag binoost mo ng OD yung channels niya, sobrang HINDI talaga. kahit transtube pa yan. iba pa rin si tube IMHO.

[chiqgarcia]

DEECO! meron pala sila. 6mos-2 years? geez, welcome to world war II technology. thanks ralph.

@sonic
experiment mo... generate ka ng 440 hz pure sine wave sa DAW mo (peak @ 0 dB). then amplify that by 6-12 dB... tada! you get square waves which is analogous to solid state clipping (buzzy). then again, try amplifying that pure sine wave with a reputable tube saturation plugin... mas rounded ang output. you can visually compare the two results.

[sonicassault]

exactly. kaya usually, tube amp lang plus OD, busog na ang blues guitarist. kasi yung pagpush ng OD sa tubes ng amp, magiging swabeng Drive or borderline distortion na yung tunog.

as opposed sa mga solidstate na pag binoost mo ng OD yung channels niya, sobrang HINDI talaga. kahit transtube pa yan. iba pa rin si tube IMHO.

makakabili din ako nyan hintayin nyo ako magresign 

[sonicassault]

DEECO! meron pala sila. 6mos-2 years? geez, welcome to world war II technology. thanks ralph.

@sonic
experiment mo... generate ka ng 440 hz pure sine wave sa DAW mo (peak @ 0 dB). then amplify that by 6-12 dB... tada! you get square waves which is analogous to solid state clipping (buzzy). then again, try amplifying that pure sine wave with a reputable tube saturation plugin... mas rounded ang output. you can visually compare the two results.

ooooohhhhhh! science! natuwa ako dito ah! so kaya pala, dahil iba yung nagiging shape ng wave. I seeeeee

OT: ralph ano settings ng amp sim mo sa G3? nacurious ako nahihirapan ako magdial sa fender type sim  talagang marshall type ako hiyang eh

[dharzfreeman]

kung mixer ang gagamitin nyo sir, and considering mahal talaga ang audio interface pag lagpas na ng 2 XLR inputs, maganda kung may makukuha kayo na may built in reverb at effects dahil sa mixer na mismo kayo magmimix, kasi yung walong inputs sa mixer, magiging stereo na lang pagdatin sa computer. halatang tunog demo nga lang pero at least may certain level na ng polish. 

noted..

@dharz...

op teka teka, speed bump (pasensiya na ha). since drums are very loud, kelangan mong mahanap yung good enough compromise between signal and floor noise (peaks/transients that do not clip while noise is kept at minimum/none). otherwise, you will have to (tantararan!)... buy a compressor. most 1u rack compressors have a dual mono configuration. so, headache nanaman yan (google google ng 'dbx price').

tapos isa pang limitation na nakikita ko with the 3-mic drum kit approach is that it's all 'bleed' and that you can't really control the hihat/cymbal volume (baka kayanin ng low-pass filter siguro)... unless robot yung drummer niyo. when you think about it, you're actually recording the room with someone playing drums.

haay gastos talaga ng music kahit na hobby lang...

in this case..

advantage ng e. drums, reasonable price 

[Ralph_Petrucci]

ooooohhhhhh! science! natuwa ako dito ah! so kaya pala, dahil iba yung nagiging shape ng wave. I seeeeee

OT: ralph ano settings ng amp sim mo sa G3? nacurious ako nahihirapan ako magdial sa fender type sim  talagang marshall type ako hiyang eh

flat lang ako. with the tube knob set to around 25. DRRI Sim ang gamit ko para may breakup at responsive sa dynamics. best for cleans. it might be worth noting na though naka ampsim ako sa G3, nakaalways on din ang Transparent OD ko for my clean tone. yung TOD yung nagbibigay ng sparkle if thats what you're after.

marshall kasi, more of dirt/dist tones talga siya. i wouldnt rely on a marshall for cleans. YMMV tho. i like my cleans glassy. if you prefer a dark voiced amp, marshall is the way to go naman talaga.

[Ralph_Petrucci]

DEECO! meron pala sila. 6mos-2 years? geez, welcome to world war II technology. thanks ralph.

@sonic
experiment mo... generate ka ng 440 hz pure sine wave sa DAW mo (peak @ 0 dB). then amplify that by 6-12 dB... tada! you get square waves which is analogous to solid state clipping (buzzy). then again, try amplifying that pure sine wave with a reputable tube saturation plugin... mas rounded ang output. you can visually compare the two results.

yes sir. minsan meron silang mga NOS Tubes na highly sought after though... IMHO wala ako masyadong marinig na difference. either way, rule of thumb parin, tube > SS.

[UselessFingers17]

binasa ko yung buong thread ng isang upuan. ubos oras ko sa trabaho. lewl 
ang dami kong na pickup 

question lang sa mga gumagamit ng scarlett 2i2 ano ang mas ok dito

guitar -> pedals ->scarlett 2i2 -> reaper (vst: amplitube)
vs
guitar -> pedals -> mic'd amp -> scarlett 2i2 -> reaper

nag attempt kasi ako mag record nung isang araw, yung setup ko is yung first option ang lakas nung grounded sound. pag gumamit ba ako nung 2nd option mawawala or malelessen kaya yung grounded sound nya?

nagtataka kasi ako pag nagjajam lang ako sa bahay using guitar and amp di naman ganun kalakas yung grounded sound nya.

eto pala yung narecord ko nung isang araw pagpasensyahan nyo na di ko pa nababasa tong thread na to that time. hehe 
https://soundcloud.com/uselessfingers/ether
pansinin nyo yung sa dulo rinig na rinig yung grounded sound