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Offline BassCog

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Re: Why was grunge so short-lived?
« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2007, 12:31:27 AM »
Grunge died because everyone got on the bandwagon. It got overcommercialized, was treated as the savior of the music scene, and when it wasn't the trend anymore, was left to become a part of music history. Just like every other "popular" movement in music. To be honest, it seems to me that Grunge was more a movement in a time and place, rather than a true musical movement.



And that's the story of the music industry. Hate it, love it or leave it, it's a business that thrives on the "new" or the "reinvented". If you're lucky, you get to be an important part of it, and make money off it for the rest of your life. if you're not as lucky, you'll have your 15 minutes of fame. If you treat it as a business, then you can make money off it, but be prepared to be hated in the Philmusic forums (hahaha!). If you treat it as art, then make sure you have a day job. As always, there are many shades in between those situations.

The trick is to be aware of how it's a business, how it's an art, and then make your choice about where to be in between those two poles. Tapos, panindigan mo na lang.


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Re: Why was grunge so short-lived?
« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2007, 01:51:59 AM »
Pop is short for popular music. any music can become pop music (even Death Metal).

how do you know the music is pop? i go by this:

"if it is found in a videoke machine, no matter how you deny it, it is pop music. saw Slayer's War Ensemble in the machine? sorry dude, it is there, you can't do anything about it, you love pop and you just threw away your metal credentials. you are not metal enough to be in the underground"

*lol*

seriously, what's wrong with loving pop music? are people still stuck up in that "pop is for money" and "real artists dont make pop music," even if they cover a Carpenter's song with distortion and delay to make it sound artsy?

i thought this belief died the same day grunge did.

and oh, i think slipknot and metallica are pop too, hehehehe... metal music that happen to be pop. the carenderia across our house plays korn and slipknot... the same guys who go there are the same ones who "groove" to boom ta rat rat.

hehehehe.... it would be really funny if someone cant accept the fact that their "dark idols" are actually doing it for both art and financial reasons. i know this message might not come across to the ones who need to hear it, but oh well:

GROW UP!

GET A LIFE!

STOP THE HERO WORSHIP!

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i bet 50 cents this thread wil be locked, hehe.
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Re: Why was grunge so short-lived?
« Reply #28 on: February 13, 2007, 03:31:50 AM »
But it originated from Seattle. If you're not from that city, you would not have known about it unless musicians there signed contracts with recording companies, who in turn worked with distributors, who in turn worked with commercial radio music stations and music video channels to broadcast and sell the music to other parts of the world.

I DISAGREE TO U COMPLETELY...

IT MAY BE COMMERCIAL TO SOME OR EVEN MOST OF US PARTICULARLY TO THOSE WHO SELLS...

YES, BUT NOT ALL SELLS...

MUSIC OR ROCK IN PARTICULAR (OR GRUNGE), IS ORIGINALLY NOT FOR SALE...IT CAME FROM THE PEOPLES HEARTS AND MINDS,  AND THEN SINGS THEM WHETHER OR NOT IT IS ANGRY. WELL MOSTLY, IT'S SOMEWHAT, A THING THAT CAME OUT WITH INSPIRATIONS, SADNESS,  AND OR ANGER , AND ETC.

YOU GOT THAT?IF NOT, THEN YOUR NOT A TRUE BLUE ARTIST OR MUSICIAN WHO LIVES THROUGH ART OR MUSIC...YOURE JUZ A PLAIN COMMERCIAL MERCHANT WHO SELLS EVERY THING THAT WOULD SELL OUT.

WITH OR WITHOUT MONEY...ARTS AND MUSIC MAKES US.

ROK ON!
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Re: Why was grunge so short-lived?
« Reply #30 on: February 13, 2007, 09:22:09 PM »
there's no heroes stuff here...as i hav said, theres these 2 things:
be true and sell or be false and sell even more.

those bands become popular because those that love their songs made them...
the question of whether or not they intentionally got mainstream to sell and become pop or juz wanna be heard, is irrelevant.

in real life, we get a job to feed us...and being honest or be false is up to u.

those that rock and live true and sell to feed themselves, nice of u!
those that didnt, well..u stil hav lots of time ahead.

as for me, i rock...and im an engineer by profession!
and i dont giv a damn why others didnt get my point.
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Re: Why was grunge so short-lived?
« Reply #31 on: February 13, 2007, 09:37:55 PM »
Pop is short for popular music. any music can become pop music (even Death Metal).

how do you know the music is pop? i go by this:

"if it is found in a videoke machine, no matter how you deny it, it is pop music. saw Slayer's War Ensemble in the machine? sorry dude, it is there, you can't do anything about it, you love pop and you just threw away your metal credentials. you are not metal enough to be in the underground"

*lol*

seriously, what's wrong with loving pop music? are people still stuck up in that "pop is for money" and "real artists dont make pop music," even if they cover a Carpenter's song with distortion and delay to make it sound artsy?

i thought this belief died the same day grunge did.

and oh, i think slipknot and metallica are pop too, hehehehe... metal music that happen to be pop. the carenderia across our house plays korn and slipknot... the same guys who go there are the same ones who "groove" to boom ta rat rat.

hehehehe.... it would be really funny if someone cant accept the fact that their "dark idols" are actually doing it for both art and financial reasons. i know this message might not come across to the ones who need to hear it, but oh well:

GROW UP!

GET A LIFE!

STOP THE HERO WORSHIP!

-*-

i bet 50 cents this thread wil be locked, hehe.

I KNOW WHAT IS POP, TAGAL NA.....ANG NOTION NYO LNG KC SA POP EH KUNG NPAPATUGTOG NA SA RADIO, POP NA.OR POPULAR NA.NDE ERAP, POP IS KUNG GAANO SYA NASASAKYAN NG KARAMIHAN.TAKE NOTE KARAMIHAN.KAYA NGA POPULAR..POPULAR SA KARAMIHAN.WE MAY HAV HEARD NOISY SONGS FROM KNOWN ARTIST, PERO KNOWN LNG CLA TO SOME...NDE KNOWN SA LAHAT.RYT?
SO, NOT ALL AY POP...

SOME OF US HERE REALLY CANT GET SOME POINT. SOME GET IT LITERAL.
IF THERE IS ANYONE WHO NEEDS GROWING UP...ITS U GUYS.
ARAL MUNA MGA PRE, SABAYAN NG KONTING ROCK.

BELIV ME ON THIS, MSARAP MAGING ENGINEER NA ROCKER!HEHE..

IM ON MY MID 30'S AND STIL ROCKIN WHILE WORKING...BY THE END OF THE DAY, KARGA2X KO BABY KO..AND THINK TO MYSELF "WHAT A WONDERFUL WORLD"...

WAKEKEKE!!!
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Re: Why was grunge so short-lived?
« Reply #32 on: February 13, 2007, 09:46:40 PM »
woi all caps ehehe parang galit pag nasas MIRC at TXT hehehe

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Re: Why was grunge so short-lived?
« Reply #33 on: February 13, 2007, 09:50:18 PM »
oops, sori...di ko sadya.nagstuck ung caps lock ng board ko...peace 2 evry1!
roK on!!!
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Re: Why was grunge so short-lived?
« Reply #34 on: February 14, 2007, 12:15:15 AM »
sa tingin ko hindi nalaos ang grunge dahil lang namatay c kurt cobain..possible cause kung bakit nawala ang grunge dahil sa misconception ng music labels na if you look like kurt or eddie vedder or if your band uses distortion then your grunge kaya nagsawa ang mga tao and remember ang philisophy din ng grunge is similar sa punks na never i-embrace ang mainstream music pero di nila na-avoid un pearl jam lang ata ang umiwas sa lahat ng fame after ng ten album nila pinilit nila na umiwas sa lahat ng excess baggage ng fame at tingnan niyo buhay pa rin sila un ang naging mali ng ibang grunge bands pero currently ang galing kasi marami sa mga bands nung grunge scene nabubuhay na ulit example: candlebox,soul asylum, smashing pumpkins at siyempre alice in chains...just enjoy the music kasi namatay lang ang grunge if you only think kurt died  with it kung pero kung ang habol mo music buhay pa rin grunge para sa akin di yan mamatay its a musical evolution na mahirap baguhin dahil grunge era revealed the true meaning of making raw rock music unlike hair metal na parang fake ung tugtugan...o ayan iyak na kyo mejo OA ko kasi fan talaga ako ng grunge

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Re: Why was grunge so short-lived?
« Reply #35 on: February 14, 2007, 11:47:39 PM »
nice to hear that...i wud lyk 2 add in relation to that "being pop" thing, it is not the grunge bands (or punk bands, and other angry n noisy bands) who made themselves pop in order to sell.

ang alam ko, sa grunge, bsta palabas mo lng galit mo, emotion mo, etc mo., tapos sigawan, watever it takes for relief of wat u feel. nver inisip ng mga true blue rocker ung sell out...saya lng din kung meron.

after having a more understandable songs in "nevermind",
nver magiging pop ang tugtugan nung "in utero" ng nirvana. ang ingay nun, at mahirap intindihin ang songs. (dpat nga sure hit na madaling sakyan at intindihin ang ginawa nila sa "in utero", para kumita uli.), pero nag hit. nag hit dahil most people are angry within, and discovers an outlet through grunge music. kaya dun naghit ang ingay ng grunge.

but stil dat doesnt mean their pop already...popular lng sa mga galet at nde sa large fraction of homo sapien population in the planet.

to clear my side regarding this discussion, im no "grunge only" rocker (but definitely one of my fave kind of music, cguro dahil sa kinalakihan), i dig a lot.almost all nga ma dig ko. pati nga r&b n hiphop.

as long as its honest...roK ON!!!
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Re: Why was grunge so short-lived?
« Reply #36 on: February 15, 2007, 12:09:56 AM »
basta naalala ko sabi ni Stone Gossard (pearl jam guitarist), theres no such thing as grunge ehehe, ordinary rock and roll band lang din daw sila  :-D

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Re: Why was grunge so short-lived?
« Reply #37 on: February 15, 2007, 02:11:32 PM »
is it true? that grunge was the genre that almost killed metal?

i heard that on GBOB last last year pa.. un lang.. maybe because of the vocals.. sometimes its kinda boring to hear them eating the lyrics of the song..

maybe  because of cobain's death

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Re: Why was grunge so short-lived?
« Reply #38 on: February 15, 2007, 02:23:12 PM »
i am a poser!
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Re: Why was grunge so short-lived?
« Reply #39 on: February 15, 2007, 03:23:38 PM »
minorities don't like whatever the majority does. so when the majority starts doing what the minority does, the minority stops doing what it normally does.

¿Comprende?

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Re: Why was grunge so short-lived?
« Reply #40 on: February 16, 2007, 02:14:57 AM »
the music never actually dies. it's just that nag iba nanaman ung cycle ng popular genre kaya akala lang minsan ng mga tao namatay na. ang by the way,... i think the proper term for bands getting massive airplay and being embraced by the masses should be termed as "mainstream" not at all "pop". bat pa naglabel ng genres kung lahat magfafall under pop?


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Re: Why was grunge so short-lived?
« Reply #41 on: February 16, 2007, 04:13:48 PM »
,.. di naman dahil sa death ni kurt. kim thayil left soundgarden. layne staley died. pearl jam nag anti-commercialism stand. buti na lang nanjan parin si chris cornell although anlayo sa badmotorfinger days... nakakamiss.

namatay din grunge kasi nauso spice girls pati backstreet boys....  :-D

dito ako!  :-D :evil:

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Re: Why was grunge so short-lived?
« Reply #42 on: February 16, 2007, 05:33:57 PM »
Guys naman. Labels aren't worth fighting over. Grunge was just a media term that journalists used to describe those Seattle bands that played in torn jeans and untucked grungy flannel shirts. Just like Emo, it doesn't really describe a type of music, but more of a fashion and lifestyle.

There were punk bands, heavy metal bands, feeling-70s hippies and even the funk and hiphop infulenced RHCP -- all lumped together in a pile called "grunge". People really have this need to classify and sort out the crazy world of music. But its the craziness that makes it interesting.

My advice to aspiring musicians: Don't ever allow people to label you in a genre. That's the best way to end up limiting yourself then stagnating. There is no rule that says Chicosci can't play jazz tomorrow, or Christian Bautista cannot trip on heavy metal (trivia: country singer Garth Brooks actually tried on a rock persona called Chris Gaines, but it was a flop  :-D).

Grunge was a fad, and fads die. All the artists that tied themselves to this fad died along with it. Only the ones that transcended the labelling are still around today (e.g. RHCP, Pumpkins, FooFighters).

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Re: Why was grunge so short-lived?
« Reply #43 on: February 16, 2007, 05:50:11 PM »
but...but...the pumpkins are dead :-o

hehe i dont know of a single band who refered to themselves as grunge, pero dito sa pinas madami..."grunge tugtugan namin 'tol" :roll:

sama mo na din "electronica" sa media terms na yan 'tol patrick
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Re: Why was grunge so short-lived?
« Reply #44 on: March 22, 2007, 08:42:33 AM »
IMHO.  The man who made grunge famous died early.  Kurt Cobain.

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Re: Why was grunge so short-lived?
« Reply #45 on: March 22, 2007, 06:09:44 PM »
i think people got tired of heavy laden lyrics...grunge was shaky before the boy bands and girl bands...

during the post era...Mariah Carey came up with her album Music Box which was happy themed and lyriced.  Then Boyz 2 Men..these were the times na sobrang benta ni Mariah Carey.  Her album shot to billboard's number one.

And then, naglabasan ang pop-punk with the same jolly, funny, comice songwriting like Greenday.
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Re: Why was grunge so short-lived?
« Reply #46 on: March 23, 2007, 10:44:39 AM »
i think people got tired of heavy laden lyrics...grunge was shaky before the boy bands and girl bands...

during the post era...Mariah Carey came up with her album Music Box which was happy themed and lyriced.  Then Boyz 2 Men..these were the times na sobrang benta ni Mariah Carey.  Her album shot to billboard's number one.

And then, naglabasan ang pop-punk with the same jolly, funny, comice songwriting like Greenday.

Which makes me wonder, why is emo "in" if people are tired of heartfelt discontent lyrics?  But then again, OA and emo lyrics for me.  Not as truthful the way grunge carries lyrics.

And what I like about grunge... THE TONE.  They put rackmounts and high-output guitars out of business (almost).

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Re: Why was grunge so short-lived?
« Reply #47 on: April 01, 2007, 11:17:49 AM »
grunge is alive! as long as there's Chris and Dave and Eddie, grunge will continue to live! LONG LIVE GRUNGE ROCK!!! (long live the long dead nirvana!...)

teka, ano po ba genre ng Pearl Jam?
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Re: Why was grunge so short-lived?
« Reply #48 on: April 01, 2007, 11:39:55 AM »

   sabi nila eh grunge rock daw ang pearl jam.  pero talagang hard rock ang tunog nila,  one of my favorite bands.   :-)

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Re: Why was grunge so short-lived?
« Reply #49 on: April 11, 2007, 04:05:52 PM »
Eh ang Silverchair ba grunge?

May nabasa akong fashion book date, which compiled different fashions that transcended from Renaissance period up to the contemporary times.  Meron dun, early 90's fashion, "Grunge" ang pangalan.  Flannel polo w/ undershirt, torn jeans, chucks, baseball cap worn backwards.  Parang drawing ni Kurt Cobain.  I think this shows that Grunge is tagged more w/ lifestyle, fashion and attitude as I've read once na ito ang youth culture who wore the clothes (as mentioned above) in rebellion to early 90's pop youth culture who wore tailored coat and jeans and were generally neat.

Nevertheless, I love this genre, this culture, fashion, or era that left mark in my lifestyle.  I think what "Grunge" per se left in this world is the thing that is endlessly alive.

Grunge on!  :-D
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