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Offline keida

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Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
« Reply #225 on: January 27, 2008, 11:59:19 AM »
if we had money, we would have been there in manila to play with kias fansuri *lol*

so yeah, i think paeng would love that... although i think our vocalist is really the one who'd enjoy it the most.

im really not that familiar with "real emo" music, but im starting to like songs left and right.

and yeah, i agree with your views... emo is the new pop ... i dont change the channel when i see beyonce knowles singing her ballads  but it took me 20 seconds of listening to my chemical romance before i changed the channel...

ipon kayo, get your asses here!
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we got to play on their last leg.

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Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
« Reply #226 on: January 27, 2008, 02:21:21 PM »
may nagsabi sakin  "EMO certainly is not a genre,MTV labeled all the bands who had this melancholic lyrics, hard core guitar riffs, boys in tight jeans, lousy sneakers, black eyeliners, one sided haircuts and screaming voices just to be able to stereotype/typecast them."

Emo from the word 'emotion', can be found in the lyrics of all genres. So, to justify this, does that mean that all genres' ARE emo???

I dont think so.
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« Reply #227 on: January 27, 2008, 02:35:49 PM »
may nagsabi sakin  "EMO certainly is not a genre,MTV labeled all the bands who had this melancholic lyrics, hard core guitar riffs, boys in tight jeans, lousy sneakers, black eyeliners, one sided haircuts and screaming voices just to be able to stereotype/typecast them."

Emo from the word 'emotion', can be found in the lyrics of all genres. So, to justify this, does that mean that all genres' ARE emo???

I dont think so.

the age old arguement ever since lumabas ang word na yan sa underground ay "arent all forms of music emotional?"

kaya for most folks, emo is a four letter word.
but nevertheless no one couldnt describe it properly until this phelomena of boys wearing tight jeans, eyeliners, sideways hair and whiny lyrics. which unfortunately has become a sad caricature (pun intended) of what it has become.  :lol: :lol:
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Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
« Reply #228 on: January 27, 2008, 02:45:30 PM »
ayoko na! EMO na raw ako e!

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Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
« Reply #229 on: January 27, 2008, 04:17:41 PM »
yeah...it's so like boy abunda,  :-D

uy napanood ko kayo sa tv ah...galing!!!!!clap clap!!!hehehe...apir!!!

tugtug ayo sa bday ni jc(vitalis) sa 29....


walang emo bands dun...hehehe...


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Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
« Reply #230 on: January 27, 2008, 06:01:52 PM »
With all due respect sa starter ng Thread;



Question: Why is it that majority of the posts in this thread aims at the aesthetic side of the topic ( e.g. hair, thick black glasses, clothing, wrist scars ...) ?

A. Most Philmusic Guitarists are " more Style than Substance "
B. Most Filipino Guitarists are " more Style than Substance "
C. Majority of Guitarists today are "more Geared than Skilled"
D. Majority of the replies are not from a Guitarist; only someone who wants to give His/Her opinion on the topic despite the Thread Title Limitation " Guitarist ".
E. EMO fad is sooo repulsive everyone has the right pounce on the topic.


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Offline pr3ach2all

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Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
« Reply #231 on: January 27, 2008, 07:28:44 PM »

D. Majority of the replies are not from a Guitarist; only someone who wants to give His/Her opinion on the topic despite the Thread Title Limitation " Guitarist ".


oo nga naman... so ill make a reply about how the guitarists play and all that...
most of the songs are made up of power chords and octaves....ofcourse there are a few that do play some technical stuff like saosin though it's shredding like what metalheads do... so i guess in a guitarist standpoint, emo in general is mediocre at best...pero i think what makes people attracted to them is the melody of they're songs and lyrics... nd besides, not all emo bands have whinny voices......i think...  :mrgreen:
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« Reply #232 on: January 27, 2008, 08:29:22 PM »
well im a guitarist. and we play old school emo influenced music. well all i can say that its full of octave chords and arranged with loud soft dynamics in mind. lyrics are either spoken or screamed (not SUNG)

http://www.myspace.com/indiansummersongs <<i cant stress this bands existence enough.

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« Reply #233 on: January 27, 2008, 11:03:31 PM »
well im a guitarist. and we play old school emo influenced music. well all i can say that its full of octave chords and arranged with loud soft dynamics in mind. lyrics are either spoken or screamed (not SUNG)

http://www.myspace.com/indiansummersongs <<i cant stress this bands existence enough.

galing! first time ko narinig yung band, parang minor threat na mabagal lang..:-D
geeesh

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« Reply #234 on: January 28, 2008, 07:31:35 AM »
Naglalapat din ba sila ng solos? How emotional mga solos nila if meron? Di ba parang frenzied ang shredding? Kung emotional dapat mala Melodic solos di ba?
Sorry ha limited lang environment ko sa Music.Mostly Heavy , Dark Stuff lang eh.

Now the thread is starting to be educational ( mala-Discovery Channel ) hindi Toilety ( Eat Bulaga; no offense! ). :-D
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« Reply #235 on: January 28, 2008, 10:07:27 AM »

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AMBOT SA EMOOOOOOOO!!!!....


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Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
« Reply #236 on: January 28, 2008, 01:16:32 PM »
uy napanood ko kayo sa tv ah...galing!!!!!clap clap!!!hehehe...apir!!!

tugtug ayo sa bday ni jc(vitalis) sa 29....


walang emo bands dun...hehehe...

haha...lapit na bday ni jc...pwede emo basta emo chicks... :-D
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Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
« Reply #237 on: January 30, 2008, 02:14:59 PM »
check this out..


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« Reply #238 on: January 31, 2008, 07:55:45 AM »
Okay lang me na panood ako EMO Coheed and Cambria ang lufet eh! Wag na genre genre basta who ever rock me, rock me, i don't care if it is Mariah Carey and crap my life my choice  :-D
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« Reply #239 on: January 31, 2008, 08:17:28 AM »
Okay lang me na panood ako EMO Coheed and Cambria ang lufet eh! Wag na genre genre basta who ever rock me, rock me, i don't care if it is Mariah Carey and crap my life my choice  :-D


Coheed is progressive rock.

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« Reply #240 on: January 31, 2008, 08:31:29 AM »

Coheed is progressive rock.

Ahhh progressive rock pala yun, sabi kasi nong kaibigan ko EMO daw tas sabi nya nakikinig ka pala ng emo sabi ko emo ba un? un ba un emo? oo emo un sabi nya sabi ko ayus naman pala e hindi pala emo un progressive rock pala yun hehe
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« Reply #241 on: January 31, 2008, 01:04:07 PM »
mga bro..... may alam ako na puro power chords peru gusto ko lahat ng kanta nya at catchy na tunog at basic..... walang iba kundi NIRVANA..... hahahahahahha pero may solo din mga kanta nila di kagaya ng emo.......

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« Reply #242 on: January 31, 2008, 06:14:45 PM »
not a fan of emo guitar playing.  if emo's supposed to convey 'sadness', i can find a lot of other guitar playing that can literally break me w/ the guitar alone (versus emo guitar playing + the rest of the emo band. but then again, music is personal...).
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« Reply #243 on: January 31, 2008, 06:16:25 PM »
Ahhh progressive rock pala yun, sabi kasi nong kaibigan ko EMO daw tas sabi nya nakikinig ka pala ng emo sabi ko emo ba un? un ba un emo? oo emo un sabi nya sabi ko ayus naman pala e hindi pala emo un progressive rock pala yun hehe

your friend doesnt know jack ----.


Naglalapat din ba sila ng solos? How emotional mga solos nila if meron? Di ba parang frenzied ang shredding? Kung emotional dapat mala Melodic solos di ba?
Sorry ha limited lang environment ko sa Music.Mostly Heavy , Dark Stuff lang eh.

Now the thread is starting to be educational ( mala-Discovery Channel ) hindi Toilety ( Eat Bulaga; no offense! ). :-D

listen to the band link i gave. that basically sums up what emo should sound like.

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« Reply #244 on: January 31, 2008, 06:27:55 PM »
no offense to those kids who think they're emo, but it really gets on my nerves whenever i see some kid that looks like this...

http://www.dtbmusic.com/gallery/emo%20kids.jpg


now, it's not that i'm getting @nal about the whole emo as a counterculture thing, but the whole emo thing started from hardcore punk in 1985 and is still a part of hardcore punk. i asked one of "those" kids about what they thought about it, they said, "pare, ang pagiging emo is emotional, emo music is music na may emotion!" and i was all, "wtf!? dude, there's no such thing as an emo culture, even if you trace it back to 1985 to 1994 and even as late as 1999 and 2003" and the only reaction i got was something like, "oo na, ang dami mo nang alam, yabang mo!" it's funny really, how insecure, image obsessed kids could latch on to a new trendy clutch so quickly. i mean, these kids don't even listen to real emo, all they listen to is stuff like Chiodos, Alesana, Dashboard Confessional, Typecast, Atreyu, Chicosci, Bring Me The Horizon, Drop Dead Gorgeous, Underoath, the Used and the likes. i dunno, it's not that i'm being elitist or something, but i'm just sick of how so many people pretend to know something they don't, and become so defensive if you try to share something you learned when you were in that position so long ago.

just in case people wanna know what emo is and have no idea of what it is prior to reading this post, lemme just give a short primer.

emo was a slightly derogatory term attached to the introspective approach of hardcore punk bands like Embrace and Rites of Spring who both came out in the Washington, DC scene in 1985. some 'zine referred to their introspectively expressive spin on hardcore as "emocore". ever since, the term sort of sideways stuck throughout emo's evolution.

here's a list of notable emo/screamo bands according to era/style.

Emocore(around 1985-1987 i think)
basically hardcore punk with parched singing and desperate sounding vocal delivery. the music itself was characterized by certain use of octave chords.

examples:

Rites Of Spring
Embrace
Husker Du

Emo (probably around 1987-1994)
the emo sound was built around the earlier emocore template that brought a more cathartic dimension to punk. this time, stripped down to pure unharnessed emotional delivery characterized by beautiful use of plucked buildups and cathartic, chaotic climaxes.

examples:

Indian Summer
Plunger
Julia
Moss Icon
Don Martin 3

Hardcore Emo (in the early 90s, i think)
to paraphrase Andy Radin, hardcore emo is to emo as hardcore is to hardcore punk. characterized by fast, blurry tempos and usually harsh screamed vocals.

examples:

Heroin
Angel Hair
Antioch Arrow
early Portraits of Past
Honeywell

Emo Violence
a joke term coined by a band called In/Humanity, probably first played by people who listened to powerviolence alongside either emo or hardcore emo.

examples:

Jenny Piccolo
In/Humanity
Palatka
Usurp Synapse

Screamo
this is debatable, but in my opinion, screamo itself is a blend of all the previous styles of emo, implementing traits from other genres of music such as indie-rock, post-rock, and to an extent, harsher types of music such as grindcore. it has become sort of a catchall for modern emo. it has reached worldwide popularity in different parts of the world particuarly in America and Europe. screamo bands from across the world usually have regional sounds associated with them.

examples of american screamo bands:

Saetia
Welcome The Plague Year
Neil Perry
You And I
Funeral Diner
Joshua Fit For Battle
Hassan I Sabbah
Cease Upon The Capitol
Yaphet Kotto

examples of italian screamo bands:

La Quiete
Raein
the Death Of Anna Karina

examples of french screamo bands:

Mihai Edrisch
Daitro
Gantz
Sed Non Satiata

examples of german screamo bands:

June Paik
Tristan Tzara
Louise Cyphre
Einermusstot

examples of scandanavian screamo bands:

Angora Static
Amalthea
Shikari
Marat
the Manhattan Skyline
Kaospilot

examples of malaysian screamo bands:

Kias Fansuri
Orbitcinta Benjamin
Killeur Calculateur
Daghlia

examples of japanese screamo bands:

Envy
Nervous Light Of Sunday
Nitro Mega Prayer
Dipleg

examples of philippine screamo:

Caitlyn Bailey
Capulette
Tigers Are Out, Bears Are In
Iola Morton
Means To No End

common characteristics in modern emo and screamo
in the 00's, more screamo bands took advantage of the buildup and cathartic climax element of emo and blended them with post-rock, bands like City Of ------ and Envy being perfect examples of this type of emo. another common type of screamo band is the more progressive type of emo characterized by complex structures and time changes, such as Circle Takes the Square. regional traits aside, it's also noted that Canadian bands from the 90s such as Union Of Uranus and One Eyed God Prophecy soundwise did a lot to influence screamo bands such as Orchid, Reversal Of Man, and the like. it's influence can still be seen in bands as recent as the Apoplexy Twist Orchestra or the Flying Worker.

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a little FAQ section
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Q: are Dashboard Confessional or My Chemical Romance emo?
A: no they are not, read the rest of the crap i posted, and you'll clearly see why

Q: but they are emotional Sad
A: so was my grandfater, but he isn't emo by a longshot.

Q: if they aren't emo, what are they then?
A: there are 134983721948 non-emo genres out there, figure that out yourself, sherlock. that's none of my concern.

Q: what do real emo kids dress like?
A: there's no such thing as an emo kid, the only emo kids are effects of gross mislabelling of bands via mainstream channels such as Spin Magazine and MTV.

Q: am i emo?
A: you are not.

Q: are you emo?
A: i wouldn't be caught dead in skinny jeans and scene hair, that's just dumb in my opinion.

Q: what are emo lyrics like?
A: contrary to popular belief, emo lyrics aren't usually about love or being misunderstood by the cool kids in school, rather, emo lyrics tend to be rather political, such with the case of bands like Ampere and Reversal Of Man.

Q: is there such a thing as emo-goth music?
A: there is no such thing, although Antioch Arrow actually did bring a little touch of goth aesthetic and goth musical flair to hardcore emo. but that's an isolated case, i guess.

Q: is there such a thing as emo-punk?
A: nope, punk rock came before hardcore punk, hardcore punk is a direct descendant of punk. emo is a direct descendant of hardcore punk, so it's impossible to label anything as emo-punk given that it's a generation apart in terms of chronological order. anything that has to do with real emo in terms of music is punk, but not everything that's punk has anything to do with emo.

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note:
the best way to understand emo is to actually give the bands a listen, so if anyone's remotely interested in learning what emo sounds like, it's best to open www.myspace.com and use the search music function with this guide or a site like fourfa.com or youdontknowemo.tk as reference.
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(written by my bandmate.)

Offline pr3ach2all

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Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
« Reply #245 on: January 31, 2008, 06:52:02 PM »
@ paengkee

very good post sir.

Q: am i emo?
A: you are not.

and this i liked very much  :lol:

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« Reply #246 on: January 31, 2008, 06:59:42 PM »
ahaha dumadame ang POSERO/POSERA SA EARTH HEHE :-D peace :lol:
Oh abandoned hearts with a battle cry we move to You we surrender
oh lead us forth oh Lord for now is the time to show out Your love we're moving forward we'll wait no more
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« Reply #247 on: January 31, 2008, 07:20:23 PM »
Ahhh progressive rock pala yun, sabi kasi nong kaibigan ko EMO daw tas sabi nya nakikinig ka pala ng emo sabi ko emo ba un? un ba un emo? oo emo un sabi nya sabi ko ayus naman pala e hindi pala emo un progressive rock pala yun hehe
Pag sinabing punk ang Jamiroquai? I don't mean anything by that pero pare, I dunno where any part of Coheed's sound is emo. Listen pa lang to "The Final Cut" or "Welcome Home" rinig na rinig na ang prog elements ng music nila.

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« Reply #248 on: January 31, 2008, 07:24:40 PM »
your friend doesnt know jack ----.


listen to the band link i gave. that basically sums up what emo should sound like.

+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 agreed

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Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
« Reply #249 on: January 31, 2008, 07:27:22 PM »

One of my favorite songs of all time. I believe its technically under "emocore".

I dont think these debates will end 'til the whole emo thing isn't cool anymore. The sooner the better. I was in agony in a jeepney when a girl with socks-on-the-arms-avril-style singing along annoyingly to typecast's the boston drama sat right in front of me. (the tondo drama...pwedeng pangalan ng post-emo band...machismo band...think viking metal but with pinoy sigas rocking out)

My main gripe with this whole emo thing is, it really brought out the crab mentality and narrowmindedness of Filipinos. Like I keep saying, LAHAT talaga gaya lang. The music, the vocal stylings, the LYRICS, the look.
Anyone notice how a certain local guy SOUNDS EXACTLY LIKE the dashboard confessional guy? So MCR came out with this morbid fixation for death...THEN COMES A FORMERLY RAPMETAL/HARDCORE BAND THAT SUDDENLY GETS TIGHT PANTS-D AND BLOODSUCKY? What the hell?!

And, to get me back on topic, all the emo guitar playing here sounds like Thursday. I'm sorry but it does. Yeah, they do chug and have nice tones, but all the riffs sound like Thursday riffs to me. Local emo gets a -100 in originality.
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