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Offline jun_gats

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Re: Analog 101
« Reply #125 on: June 13, 2007, 08:11:48 AM »
nice.  :-D gas up

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Re: Analog 101
« Reply #126 on: July 01, 2007, 04:00:38 AM »
ang setup ko is:

guitar > Snarling Dogs Whine-o-Wah >  Boss BD-2 > Behringer CS100 > Boss PS-2 > amp

may gumagawa ba nito?

mejo unorthodox ung dirt den comp, pero dito ko nakukuha ung tone na gus2 ko eh.. ang effect nya parang the comp lessens the harshness at pag-kalat ng drive ng bd2, so the effect is parang clean, transparent tone w/ mild od and semi long sustain.. mejo clapton-ish.. im using a strat tpos, sa bd-2, 10 o clock ung gain ko, tapos sa cs, 11 o clock sustain den 1 o clock attack

ang nabasa ko lang na ganito setup is yung kay robert keeley (Boss BD-2 Keeley Mod > Keeley Compressor)

any comments? mejo matagal ko na itong setup and nag-titimpla lang ako talaga by ear.. i'd like to hear oder ppls comments sana!

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Re: Analog 101
« Reply #127 on: July 10, 2007, 02:56:40 AM »
mga master =) eto po ba mali?

Compressor - Wah - Tube Driver - Krank - Trimode - Liquid Sunshine - Carl EQ - Chorus - Phaser - Fuzz - Blues Pro - Volume Pedal - Delay - Tuner

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Re: Analog 101
« Reply #128 on: July 10, 2007, 03:11:51 AM »
mga master =) eto po ba mali?

Compressor - Wah - Tube Driver - Krank - Trimode - Liquid Sunshine - Carl EQ - Chorus - Phaser - Fuzz - Blues Pro - Volume Pedal - Delay - Tuner

generally, Fuzz and Blues Pro before the EQ or Chorus. a fuzz distorted phased signal isn't exactly pleasing to the ear. i normally place the tuner right before the compressor and wah but i think you're aiming to use the XLR DI output capability of the Strobostomp so it's ok to place it last :)

bili ka ng loopers and switches kasi sobrang dami mong drive pedals and it might be a bit difficult to switch drive pedals on the fly.
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Re: Analog 101
« Reply #129 on: July 10, 2007, 03:17:32 AM »
mga master =) eto po ba mali?

Compressor - Wah - Tube Driver - Krank - Trimode - Liquid Sunshine - Carl EQ - Chorus - Phaser - Fuzz - Blues Pro - Volume Pedal - Delay - Tuner


waaahh!! pare isang linya lang yan? hehe tama ppoundcake bili ka kaya A/b or A/b/y/ switch..
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Re: Analog 101
« Reply #130 on: July 10, 2007, 03:22:40 AM »
yup mga sir naka order na ako kay mahavisnu =)

pero sir one question pag ni link ko ba lahat yan papangit tunog?

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Re: Analog 101
« Reply #131 on: July 10, 2007, 03:44:51 AM »

And two gain stages, cascaded correctly will give you a lot more depth compared to a single stage.


I never understood this until I tried it myself.  I placed my Electro-Harmonix Little Big Muff right after my TS9 in my pedal chain and pretty much dropped a load with my crunch tone coming out of my C-tuned SG through the Laney VC30-212...stoner rock heaven!

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Re: Analog 101
« Reply #132 on: July 10, 2007, 04:09:05 PM »
I have a GTX Heavy Metal and a GTX OD

Ano mauuna from the guitar

Bago lang ako kase e. Tapos kung pagsasabayin ko ano po ba magandang setting

Mala metallica or megadeth sana.

Then yung isa booster pang lead, but which is which. Hirap po mag search e.

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Re: Analog 101
« Reply #133 on: July 10, 2007, 06:40:30 PM »
guitar - od - hm - amp

ung od ilagay mo sa zero ung gain pra pde sya as booster tpos bahala k na mgtimpla sa hm ,, d ko kc alm setting ng gtx e.. :-D
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Re: Analog 101
« Reply #134 on: July 11, 2007, 01:41:03 PM »
Tnx po sir. Yung gain po pala problem ko.

Dapat naka zero

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Re: Analog 101
« Reply #135 on: July 11, 2007, 02:16:27 PM »
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Re: Analog 101
« Reply #136 on: July 11, 2007, 02:34:42 PM »
my weird pedal setup

amp - wah -eq - flanger- chorus - distortion

i tried the setup below, pero di ko maramdaman yun mods.

amp - wah -eq - distortion - flanger- chorus 

any suggestions?

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Re: Analog 101
« Reply #137 on: August 03, 2007, 02:40:13 AM »
KATANUNGAN:

ang treble bleed mods ba pwedeng i-apply sa volume pedals?

less treble din ba ang mga volume peds kapag nag tone down ka?

^^
wala pa kasi ako volume pedal.
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Re: Analog 101
« Reply #138 on: August 03, 2007, 04:31:06 AM »
KATANUNGAN:

ang treble bleed mods ba pwedeng i-apply sa volume pedals?

less treble din ba ang mga volume peds kapag nag tone down ka?

^^
wala pa kasi ako volume pedal.

Yung sakin dati hindi nagbabago tone nya pag vol pedal. kaya pag vol adjustment in general yun ang ginagamit ko

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Re: Analog 101
« Reply #139 on: August 03, 2007, 03:42:25 PM »
KATANUNGAN:

ang treble bleed mods ba pwedeng i-apply sa volume pedals?

less treble din ba ang mga volume peds kapag nag tone down ka?

^^
wala pa kasi ako volume pedal.

hmmm yan ang di ko pa nasusubukan.. pero sa experience ko, if you place a volume pedal at the very start of your chain, it will act more like a volume knob. kung sa dulo mo naman nilagay, volume level lang talaga ang binabago.
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Re: Analog 101
« Reply #140 on: August 03, 2007, 03:50:31 PM »
nagiiba nga yung tone quality kapag masmababa ang volume. diba dapat hindi?

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Re: Analog 101
« Reply #141 on: August 03, 2007, 04:16:14 PM »
sakin hnd nagiiba yung tone pag mbaba volume. baka pakiramdam lang yun kasi mahina. :-) :-D

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Re: Analog 101
« Reply #142 on: August 03, 2007, 09:51:15 PM »
KATANUNGAN:

ang treble bleed mods ba pwedeng i-apply sa volume pedals?

less treble din ba ang mga volume peds kapag nag tone down ka?

^^
wala pa kasi ako volume pedal.

hmmm yan ang di ko pa nasusubukan.. pero sa experience ko, if you place a volume pedal at the very start of your chain, it will act more like a volume knob. kung sa dulo mo naman nilagay, volume level lang talaga ang binabago.

hehe.. masusubukan ko yan sa tone party natin kila perf hehe.
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Re: Analog 101
« Reply #143 on: August 10, 2007, 01:40:07 PM »
sakin hnd nagiiba yung tone pag mbaba volume. baka pakiramdam lang yun kasi mahina. :-) :-D

+1 :-D
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Re: Analog 101
« Reply #144 on: August 21, 2007, 03:57:46 PM »
hello poh may tanung lng poh ako kasi

may ginagamit akong pedal it's a boss dual overdrive pedal
tanung ko po kung anung mgandang setting ng pedal for rock music

at hirap po ako pag live kasi naghuhum na po ung tunog pag nka on ung overdrive

kailngan ko po bang ipatingin ung gitara kasi grounded po ata hindi ko po alam or ung sa cables lang

sory angulo tnx . . :-D

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Re: Analog 101
« Reply #145 on: August 21, 2007, 05:47:19 PM »
baka naman antaas ng gain ng pedal mo? more gain = more hiss/hum

bka kelangan mu ng noise gate? pero wla me msyado alam sa mga noise gate

bka single coils gamit mu? single coils usually may hum

tapos tungkol sa setting ng pedal for rock music....spend time to tweak ur pedal lang.....pagaralan mo kung ano gnagwa ng bawat knob....tapos sariling timpla nalang yan....



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Re: Analog 101
« Reply #146 on: August 21, 2007, 08:27:03 PM »
as my friend said din kuya andrew

it's a single coil kuya tama ka nga
ok cge tandaan ko poh yan

salamat poh . . !!

mabuhay *:-) :-)

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Re: Analog 101
« Reply #147 on: August 22, 2007, 10:57:37 AM »
Hi! I been using multi's for years but I'm a newbie on analog pedals so please bear with me.

      Anyone here familiar with the boston/gtx digital reverb? I never tried one before and I need to know some facts/info before using it for my pedal setup. The picture on the website shows that it has two inputs and two outputs, what I need to know is if two (different) signals enter into these two inputs, would it combine to a single mono output which I can plug to the amp?

       I need to make this work for I can't use the amp's reverb because most venues I play use direct boxes. I may drown the amp by using its reverb but the signal to main mixer/house would still be dry. (direct boxes preceeds the amp in the signal chain)  It's actually simpler to use a small mixer instead but since i kind of always use subtle reverb on everything, so I prefer on using this if it's workable.

My proposed/concept setup is this,

gtr -- od -A out1(switchable wet/dry) -- wah -- dist -- (in1) reverb (out1)-- (directbox) -- amp/mixer
                
             -B out2(wet) /chor -/flan -/del -/etc -- (inp2) reverb (out1) - (same dbox) - amp/mixer

       The plan is I'll (actually, sir BAMF would) modify the od and dist to have two outputs. the additional output would have a switchable (I hope by remote footswitch, I've yet to ask sir BAMF on this..) wet/dry capability.

(Note: The reason for the od and dist to have the same modification is so the od and dist can trade places
on the signal path allowing additional tonal variations.)  

Assuming that it can be done and by refering to the above diagram,  

--- I can (theoritically) use two dirt pedals, well that's kind of obvious but then I'll
  - have the option to blend them in a series(wet output on od) or,
  - use them parallel(dry output on od) before it resolves on the reverb pedal,

--- have different clean/dirt settings for the modulation path (group B) while simultaneously have a clean dry signal using the wah path (group A), (might come handy when all modulation pedals are on, and if the (group B)whole damn signal gets muddier and muddier, you'll have a separate path for the (group A)dry and clear one) the end result (in theory) is a well preserved, clear and distinct dry signal combined with distinct wet modulations.

--- or have high-gain-guitar-solo setting on group A while using clean settings for the modulations.

     There are other variations (eqs, comps, tuner, etc...) but lets stick on this for now since this is the backbone of the concept. Everything else is gravy... for now...  
  
There are questions of course...
 
1. Would this setup (having two separate paths) better preserve the integrity of the signal?
    or the other way around? (two signal paths to tone suck!!!)

2. Since I can use two dirt pedals simultaneously and independently, (od output dry) would it sound better
    (bigger/fuller/beaffier/heavier/clearer/whateverier) having two different drive cycles working in unison
    yet independent?
    (ex: dist set to work on lower freq, od on the higher freq then combine on the amp)

3. Would this hum like hell? Since i can (again) use two dirts, I can (theoretically that is) lower the gain
    settings on both and still achieve the desired level of drive. But then again, two dirt pedals = two hum
    generators = louder/more hum or just (what the hell!@??) better sounding hum? (I'm not into high gain
    settings lately but just in case...)

4. What can I use as a muting pedal? Yet would still have another use other than muting? (the things i took
    for granted on the multi's) To prevent amp damage, I can always turn the amp's volume down when
    unplugging something (guitar or anything else) on the pedal signal chain, but that's not the case on the
    mixer/house. (through the directbox) It's a pain to communicate with the mixer/soundtech guy in the
    middle of a performance and he gets angry at you when you suddenly/accidentally pull the plug from
    your guitar/pedal.  

5. The red pill or the blue pill? I mean, Am I asking too much from the analog world and return to multi's?
    Is this setup feasible? Or just a product of my imagination?

6. Anong mas mabigat? 10 kilong bulak o 8 kilong dumbell? Ibagsak sa sariling paa galing sa taas na
    limang talampakan para malaman ang kasagutan!    

   Thanks in advance for your opinions and suggestions!

             PROLOUGE:  I have a multifx (ax1500g) that got messed up on one my gigs. In the middle of a 1 hour set, the thing (well, the adaptor actually) got the nerve to play fourth of july on me just after the 3rd song. I'm not really sure what happened but after that, the thing would still booth up but sound really weak and -- alien. I changed adaptors (I always carry a spare) but it still have the same problem. I ended up playing the next 10 songs without any fx.
             Since I play regularly, (and for a living) I therefore need something to replace my broken multi. I bought 3 different analog pedals so I can use something until I can buy the latest version of my multi. (or at least, that's the idea) I soon realize that these things sound a couple of shades better than my old korg. (or maybe just different in my ears, I may actually just waiting for something different from what i've been hearing for the last three years) Combined with the idea that if one of these things actually broke down in the middle of the performance, I'll simply remove it from the pedal chain and continue playing. Something not possible in a multi. There are issues of course, (heavy, expensive, etc...) but i think i can work it out.
              I bought another one a few days ago, and I'm hoping to complete the 'backbone system' within two months time. So if you have a good but cheap wah and a good but cheap delay, just pm me. Thanks!    
 
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Re: Analog 101
« Reply #148 on: August 22, 2007, 03:55:58 PM »
nice topic fully loaded sticky maybe.

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Re: Analog 101
« Reply #149 on: August 22, 2007, 04:18:25 PM »
@acidtest
Ang haba nun a.

Anyway, as for your signal path, mas ok siguro kung ang gagawin mo is:
wah > Dist > OD >  Looper > Reverb > ANY AMP SIMULATOR or at least an EQ pedal > DI box
With the looper having the wet signal (all your modulations) in.

-or-

OD >  Looper #1 > Looper #2 > Reverb > ANY AMP SIMULATOR or at least an EQ pedal > DI box
With the looper #1 having the wet signal (all your modulations) in. And looper #2 having the wah and the distortion pedals

At least with both setups, di na kailangang ipa-mod yung overdrive at distortion pedal mo.

I've tried plugging my analog setup into the house without any preamp. Saklap ng tunog. Di ako mapakali sa nilalabas ng monitor na tunog ko e. After nun, sinubukan kong isalpak yung setup ko with a sansamp tri a.c. (amp simulator) sa dulo. Sounded better, but still lacking. IMHO, Amps are still the way to go when it comes to analog pedals. Kaso since, hindi nga pwede... Amp simulator na lang sa dulo sir.

Of course, di po ako expert or anything, just my 2 cents. :-D
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