Author Topic: Where can I apprentice as an ANALOG RECORDING engineer? (Read 2633 times)

skunkyfunk · « **on:** May 28, 2007, 11:42:52 AM »

I mean, STRICTLY ANALOG. 2" Tape, splicing block and blade, twiddling with automated mixers, syncing tape with SMPTE, using outboard equipment thru mixer inserts, biasing tape, all these things that your plugins want to emulate.

Thanks!

BALDO · « **Reply #1 on:** May 28, 2007, 04:59:46 PM »

Analog? pare mukhang mahirap ng maka kita ng ganyang studio especially 2 inch tape. (i heard Vehnee Saturno has one pero binebenta na).even here sa US mahirap ng maka kita ng 2 inch tape machines ... 2 inch tape ang mahal pa..i think ang Ampex eh 250$ or more..automated mixers? meron namang automated na digital mixers di ba?..syncing with SMPTE? worst come to worst, kung me luma kang tascam na porta studio na 8 track cassette me feature na ganun yun.

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bindoy · « **Reply #2 on:** May 29, 2007, 08:27:48 AM »

PM Recording(Sampaguita Pictures) see directory sticky thread..Analog sila...just this year (February) pinalitan nila ung Ampex Reels nila...

mikep · « **Reply #3 on:** May 29, 2007, 04:22:13 PM »

We still use a lot of analog 2" 24 track tapes and machines here at TRACKStudios. However, we do not have an apprenticeship program for recording engineering. We plan to offer that probably later on through our sister company, Center for Media Production and Recording Arts (CMPRA) which is being firmed up.

FWIW

markthevirtuoso · « **Reply #4 on:** May 30, 2007, 03:32:07 AM »

SAE Amsterdam or SAE Byron Bay or Studio 301.

skunkyfunk · « **Reply #5 on:** May 30, 2007, 10:06:11 AM »

Quote from: BALDO on May 28, 2007, 04:59:46 PM

Analog? pare mukhang mahirap ng maka kita ng ganyang studio especially 2 inch tape. (i heard Vehnee Saturno has one pero binebenta na).even here sa US mahirap ng maka kita ng 2 inch tape machines ... 2 inch tape ang mahal pa..i think ang Ampex eh 250$ or more..automated mixers? meron namang automated na digital mixers di ba?..syncing with SMPTE? worst come to worst, kung me luma kang tascam na porta studio na 8 track cassette me feature na ganun yun. ...

I wanted to Vehnee's Otari MTR90 but I thought, with that, I need a huge mixer. He has a lot of spare tape din daw. Buying analog decks would cost you too much...

abyssinianson · « **Reply #6 on:** May 30, 2007, 10:28:42 AM »

Quote from: markthevirtuoso on May 30, 2007, 03:32:07 AM

SAE Amsterdam or SAE Byron Bay or Studio 301.

Berklee used to have a link to internships that certificate and degree-seeking students could use. It might be available for the public if you look into it. The database was worldwide, I think, and most mastering studios still use tape for mixdown media so I imagine there should be a fair amount out there.

Mark, malapit ka na matapos as SAE?

markthevirtuoso · « **Reply #7 on:** May 30, 2007, 05:15:06 PM »

Quote from: abyssinianson on May 30, 2007, 10:28:42 AM

Quote from: markthevirtuoso on May 30, 2007, 03:32:07 AM
SAE Amsterdam or SAE Byron Bay or Studio 301.

Berklee used to have a link to internships that certificate and degree-seeking students could use. It might be available for the public if you look into it. The database was worldwide, I think, and most mastering studios still use tape for mixdown media so I imagine there should be a fair amount out there.

Mark, malapit ka na matapos as SAE?

Yes Berklee... my dream school. I'll be finishing this October sir Abyss.

abyssinianson · « **Reply #8 on:** May 30, 2007, 10:03:34 PM »

Quote from: markthevirtuoso on May 30, 2007, 05:15:06 PM

Quote from: abyssinianson on May 30, 2007, 10:28:42 AM
Quote from: markthevirtuoso on May 30, 2007, 03:32:07 AM
SAE Amsterdam or SAE Byron Bay or Studio 301.

Berklee used to have a link to internships that certificate and degree-seeking students could use. It might be available for the public if you look into it. The database was worldwide, I think, and most mastering studios still use tape for mixdown media so I imagine there should be a fair amount out there.

Mark, malapit ka na matapos as SAE?

Yes Berklee... my dream school. I'll be finishing this October sir Abyss.

Congrats in advance! SAE, Fullsail and Berklee are a few places that offer really good training for studio-bound people. I really love Berklee's approach to music and production theory but, man, Boston is expensive as hell.

starfugger · « **Reply #9 on:** May 30, 2007, 10:49:07 PM »

congrats mr mark! bring home the knowledge!

markthevirtuoso · « **Reply #10 on:** May 31, 2007, 03:53:24 AM »

Quote from: abyssinianson on May 30, 2007, 10:03:34 PM

Quote from: markthevirtuoso on May 30, 2007, 05:15:06 PM
Quote from: abyssinianson on May 30, 2007, 10:28:42 AM
Quote from: markthevirtuoso on May 30, 2007, 03:32:07 AM
SAE Amsterdam or SAE Byron Bay or Studio 301.

Berklee used to have a link to internships that certificate and degree-seeking students could use. It might be available for the public if you look into it. The database was worldwide, I think, and most mastering studios still use tape for mixdown media so I imagine there should be a fair amount out there.

Mark, malapit ka na matapos as SAE?

Yes Berklee... my dream school. I'll be finishing this October sir Abyss.
Congrats in advance! SAE, Fullsail and Berklee are a few places that offer really good training for studio-bound people. I really love Berklee's approach to music and production theory but, man, Boston is expensive as hell.

I had a colleague who transferred from SAE to Berklee. Their curriculum is pretty impressive! I want to do a Film Score Degree there someday... maybe someday.

We never had any practical handling with a full analog setup although we had theory on the other side.

Quote from: starfugger on May 30, 2007, 10:49:07 PM

congrats mr mark! bring home the knowledge!

Naku, i still have a long way to go.

abyssinianson · « **Reply #11 on:** May 31, 2007, 04:43:51 AM »

@mark: I think that as long as you have the theory down, an internship will get you squared away and on the fast track. Berklee's lab to lecture ratio for projects was like 5 hours of lab work for every hour of lecture with a good deal of emphasis on trouble shooting and case studies. A good plus to Berklee's curriculum though is the frequent availability of symposiums hosted by industry alumni. From what I remember, every major or program had their own schindig but the seminars were always open to everyone which made for excellent crosstraining that you could apply when you went out and did your projects or internship.

Good luck on finishing up at SAE. Walang problema na yan. Just enjoy the ride and don't forget us when you start raking in the big bucks from being an in-demand studio rat!

markthevirtuoso · « **Reply #12 on:** May 31, 2007, 08:05:54 PM »

^Thanks.

Anyway, i'm wondering just how hard it was to edit in tapes.hehe

KitC · « **Reply #13 on:** May 31, 2007, 08:17:21 PM »

Quote from: markthevirtuoso on May 31, 2007, 08:05:54 PM

^Thanks.

Anyway, i'm wondering just how hard it was to edit in tapes.hehe

Ever used the 'Scrub' function when looking for a hitpoint in your DAW? Now try imagining that with tape, with the head engaged but the capstan and reel drive disengaged. It sounds the same but getting the hitpoint is a little more involved, plus... no visual confirmation in comparison to DAWs.

markthevirtuoso · « **Reply #14 on:** May 31, 2007, 11:49:02 PM »

Quote from: KitC on May 31, 2007, 08:17:21 PM

Quote from: markthevirtuoso on May 31, 2007, 08:05:54 PM
^Thanks.

Anyway, i'm wondering just how hard it was to edit in tapes.hehe

Ever used the 'Scrub' function when looking for a hitpoint in your DAW? Now try imagining that with tape, with the head engaged but the capstan and reel drive disengaged. It sounds the same but getting the hitpoint is a little more involved, plus... no visual confirmation in comparison to DAWs.

Exactly. Those engineers must have had a hell pair of ears (and hands for placing the tracks in time).

...not to mention of the downfall if the tape wears out, or was placed near a magnet...oops! These things are so delicate. Digitization sure made our life easier.

abyssinianson · « **Reply #15 on:** June 01, 2007, 08:06:48 AM »

Quote from: KitC on May 31, 2007, 08:17:21 PM

Quote from: markthevirtuoso on May 31, 2007, 08:05:54 PM
^Thanks.

Anyway, i'm wondering just how hard it was to edit in tapes.hehe

Ever used the 'Scrub' function when looking for a hitpoint in your DAW? Now try imagining that with tape, with the head engaged but the capstan and reel drive disengaged. It sounds the same but getting the hitpoint is a little more involved, plus... no visual confirmation in comparison to DAWs.

Ha! We had to do that for lab one time! It was a helluva time full of cursing and that good stuff:) We also had another exercise with tape delays and looping with adhesive tape. From that day on, I swore never to give software guys a hardtime for glitches....at least with the DAW, I have something to use as visual confirmation for my audio work whereas tape work required long hours with only your ears.

KitC · « **Reply #16 on:** June 01, 2007, 09:59:19 AM »

Played around with scrubbing on my dad's open reel akai 1/4" recorder. Even used it to make those seamless mix compilation tapes so a whole reel played endless music. That's where I learned that cutting at a 45 degree angle was way smoother than a perpendicular cut. And how 30 ips gave me a lot more to cut with than 15 or 7.5 ips (aside from having more clarity with 30 ips).

I even tried cutting and splicing with... cassette!

It was 8-track that eluded me.

mikep · « **Reply #17 on:** June 02, 2007, 01:31:44 AM »

That was the norm when I started doing recording. I used to splice not words but letters - about 1/4" long on quarter inch, 7.5 ips. Or adding "s'es" to words on songs. So that when I got into DAW, everything was so easy. To me, there is nothing like doing things the old way. That is the foundation; that is what all these DAW system controls are based on. There is nothing better than having a very good foundation to hold on to.

FWIW

abyssinianson · « **Reply #18 on:** June 02, 2007, 11:10:17 AM »

Quote from: mikep on June 02, 2007, 01:31:44 AM

That was the norm when I started doing recording. I used to splice not words but letters - about 1/4" long on quarter inch, 7.5 ips. Or adding "s'es" to words on songs. So that when I got into DAW, everything was so easy. To me, there is nothing like doing things the old way. That is the foundation; that is what all these DAW system controls are based on. There is nothing better than having a very good foundation to hold on to.

FWIW

that is what my instructor said in class and I really do understand the value of foundation. Knowing how analog systems work the öld school way gives great insight to my own productivity using new tools.

spilledmilk · « **Reply #19 on:** June 13, 2007, 09:06:56 AM »

o yeah, sir dodjie is going analog! hehehe

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Author Topic: Where can I apprentice as an ANALOG RECORDING engineer? (Read 2633 times)