Rock solo drumming

[toybitz]

I dunno if you share the same sentiments...

I used to be amazed with rock drummers (still am, with some) behind doing their solo piece/improv behind their kit when the spotlight is on them.

But when I learned of other genres like jazz, fusion, blues and other drummers like Gadd, Colaiuta, Donati...the rock the drummers who used to entertain me behind the kit kinda felt.."ah okay, what's new..."

drummers whose soloing I don't appreciate are...Mike Portnoy, Rikki Rocket, Matt Sorum, Dave Lombardo...

but other old school/glam rock drummers who I still find interesting are Pat Torpey, John Bonham, Mike "The Spike" Terrana, Steve Smith (on his Journey stint), Bobby Rock,....

[plep]

para sa akin, hindi bagay sa rock/metal ang mga drum solo. pag ganun tugtugan niyo, dapat sa kanta ka magfocus e. poste lang dapat, tapos embellish within the bounds of the song.

ang master niyan eh si lombardo at si hoglan... grabe mga fills nila, tapos lagi pang nakakadagdag dun sa kanta imbis na nagiging hadlang o kaya sobra.

[toybitz]

para sa akin, hindi bagay sa rock/metal ang mga drum solo. pag ganun tugtugan niyo, dapat sa kanta ka magfocus e. poste lang dapat, tapos embellish within the bounds of the song[/i].

ang master niyan eh si lombardo at si hoglan... grabe mga fills nila, tapos lagi pang nakakadagdag dun sa kanta imbis na nagiging hadlang o kaya sobra

Dude, I'm talking about a solo spot here.  Meaning, walang song.

OT

kun kaya naman pala mag compliment e di hindi din "poste lang dapat"

[plep]

kaya nga. the rock style of drumming itself doesn't translate well to drum soloing. boring lang ang labas. pag pinasukan lang ng ibang influences - jazz, latin, etc - saka lang nagkakakwenta.

rock drumming is strictly about driving a song. if you're put on a spot to perform a solo, incorporate it into the solo but don't rely on it  kasi magiging bland lang solo mo (unless ikaw si bonham... then again, halimaw siya e)

tsaka poste kaso embellish within the bounds of the song nga. if it doesn't complement the song, wag mo gawin. pwede ka mag polyrhythm o anuman, basta naman bagay e.

[toybitz]

Dude, paki check nalang uli yun thread title or topic na pinaguusapan. hindi tayo magcoconnect nyan eh. 

[toybitz]

kaya nga. the rock style of drumming itself doesn't translate well to drum soloing. boring lang ang labas. pag pinasukan lang ng ibang influences - jazz, latin, etc - saka lang nagkakakwenta.

rock drumming is strictly about driving a song. if you're put on a spot to perform a solo, incorporate it into the solo but don't rely on it  kasi magiging bland lang solo mo (unless ikaw si bonham... then again, halimaw siya e)

tsaka poste kaso embellish within the bounds of the song nga. if it doesn't complement the song, wag mo gawin. pwede ka mag polyrhythm o anuman, basta naman bagay e.

have you seen Steve Smith's solo spot sa Journey?

if you've said boring na from the start..ayun, pasok sa topic.

[intake]

yup beader minsan nakakasawa talaga yung rock solos..i have to admit 

eto toybitz..napanood mo na yung drummer ng army of anyone? si Ray Luzier

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFru82bgHp0

isa yan sa mga idol ko sa rock drumming...actually siya pa lang yung naiisip ko pati yung drummer ng Primus..

[inigo]

Taylor Hawkins does a good solo, mainly because it's still groove-oriented (with the rest of the Foo Fighters backing up minsan), using sounds other than drum sounds (bells, blocks, etc). Plus, lumalabas yung Stewart Copeland influence niya.

eto toybitz..napanood mo na yung drummer ng army of anyone? si Ray Luzier

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFru82bgHp0

Galing ni Ray Luzier. Sa album nila, sa Goodbye, merong sort of a solo spot siya sa ending which sounds like a virtual resource for rock drum soloing. Ang daming licks na pwedeng nakawin. Aside, from that, malinaw yung pagkaproduce ng drum sounds, so mas madaling maapreciate.

[drummerboy827]

Si portnoy sobrang nakakasawa magsolo!! May format kaya un, una long double bass playing, tapos snare drum solo na double bass din, tapos quads on the toms and bass. Tatayo na yan para pumunta sa audience at magiinvite siya na magsolo din. Kulang sa creativity.

Medyo astig ung solo ni Jason Bittner sa Modern Drummer Festival 2005. Creative din siya inaapply niya ung mga rudiments sa kit. Nag jajazz pa sya and samba 

[toybitz]

yup beader minsan nakakasawa talaga yung rock solos..i have to admit 

eto toybitz..napanood mo na yung drummer ng army of anyone? si Ray Luzier

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFru82bgHp0

isa yan sa mga idol ko sa rock drumming...actually siya pa lang yung naiisip ko pati yung drummer ng Primus..

thanks for the link.  thanks for introducing me to Ray. galing nga! but, he kinda sped up..but that's ok. he's human.

Tim Alexander is on my top five favorite drummers of all time..but his soloing to me is another story.

Si portnoy sobrang nakakasawa magsolo!!

yeah. dinadaan na lang sa dami ng tunog na pupull out sa kit.

Taylor Hawkins does a good solo, mainly because it's still groove-oriented (with the rest of the Foo Fighters backing up minsan), using sounds other than drum sounds (bells, blocks, etc). Plus, lumalabas yung Stewart Copeland influence niya.

give me five on that Inigs! yeah!!!

that's right. iba talaga kapag rock format eh.. may babagayan din ang solo.

yun solo ni Steve Smith..he soloed over a solid four on the floor..tas power drumming and groove..galing!

[lil.drummerboy]

si jordison din nakaka sawa mga solo. halos pareha lang lahat. pero nakaka bilib lang talaga yung speed nya..

[kibohead]

magaling si bitnner pero wala sa metro pare...hahaha kakatawa yung sa meinl nila, try mo watch some of his videos at youtube. pero iba talaga yung bilis nun...but kung bilis din lang, i'dgo for flo mournier(cryptopsy)

si portnoy...yeah he has his library of solos kaya medyo parehas lagi, but if you really think of it, he focuses his talent into songwriting and phrasings ng songs nila, kaya talaga he's the best drummer for dream theater.

steve smith...ok siya because he really utilizes the given bar, magaling ang metric modulation niya kaya marami siya nagagawa out of simple 4 bars.

for me best metal/rock groove players would be adler, hoglan, and vinnie paul. alam ko marami pa, di ko lang alam names nila. hehehe

drum solo...grabe ang dami, iba iba kasi interpretations natin kaya ang hirap talaga.

[metalmuhlisha]

@threadstarter
yeah medyo boring nga siguro mag-solo si lombardo (with his appearance at the md festival 2000 as a reference point) but i think it's because he adheres to his principle of playing whatever comes out. his technicality has really improved since the early slayer days, evident in his work with fantomas and john zorn, kaya di ko rin get kung bat di siya nag-ganun dun sa md festival appearance niya.

@kibohead
idol ko din si flo mounier pag dating sa solos. yung 2nd dvd ng extreme metal drumming 101 niya sobrang nakaka-bilib e.

[cavsdieagram]

DEREK RODDY!!! lufet nya sa HATE ETERNAL dati...
pero mas bumilib ako nung nagsolo na sya and naging Jazzer...

[toybitz]

@threadstarter
yeah medyo boring nga siguro mag-solo si lombardo (with his appearance at the md festival 2000 as a reference point) but i think it's because he adheres to his principle of playing whatever comes out. his technicality has really improved since the early slayer days, evident in his work with fantomas and john zorn, kaya di ko rin get kung bat di siya nag-ganun dun sa md festival appearance niya.

hindi rin kasi technique lang ingredient para maging interesting ang rock drum soloing.

[cs_mapper]

drum solos on a rock concert...

alam natin na
hehe importante dyan mga bonzo triplet fills
at sangkatutak na double bass chops hehe, slow to fast stuff
para mag-enjoy mga crowds na alang alam
sa drums or advance drumming pero dama nila yung
takbo ng drums.

Tapos throw in some advance stuff ala virgil donati or
thomas lang hehe ayos na ma-impress mo na rin mga critics
siguro.

I used to be critical on rock drum solos but after some time
it ain't about their drum solos, it's about their fans seeing
their idol. You just had to respect that.

basta wag lang ako pilitin manood ng lars ulrich drum solos hahahha!!!

[s2ry0fdyr]

im a THOMAS LANG fan'...

just watched his creative coordination & advanced foot technique dvd
lots of drum solo on the dvd..
his indeed very creative'..



ot: ung nga lang maraming "uhmm...' & "annd"
     he cant speak english fluently..
     he's austrian now living in california..

[jeff_proX40]

I do disagree about not having a solo part for rock or metal music. Every music has the right to be creative wether its rock, jazz, bebop, country, or even hiphop and rn'b. music is all about artistry. imagine dreamtheater just posting the song erotomania? its sounds wierd. every genre has there own musicality even the corny ones. peace out guys!!!

[Paolo-I-b]

I dunno if you share the same sentiments...

I used to be amazed with rock drummers (still am, with some) behind doing their solo piece/improv behind their kit when the spotlight is on them.

But when I learned of other genres like jazz, fusion, blues and other drummers like Gadd, Colaiuta, Donati...the rock the drummers who used to entertain me behind the kit kinda felt.."ah okay, what's new..."

drummers whose soloing I don't appreciate are...Mike Portnoy, Rikki Rocket, Matt Sorum, Dave Lombardo...

but other old school/glam rock drummers who I still find interesting are Pat Torpey, John Bonham, Mike "The Spike" Terrana, Steve Smith (on his Journey stint), Bobby Rock,....

whatever.. ughhh
you look like a village idiot to me. period.

[jeff_proX40]

drum solos on a rock concert...

alam natin na
hehe importante dyan mga bonzo triplet fills
at sangkatutak na double bass chops hehe, slow to fast stuff
para mag-enjoy mga crowds na alang alam
sa drums or advance drumming pero dama nila yung
takbo ng drums.

Tapos throw in some advance stuff ala virgil donati or
thomas lang hehe ayos na ma-impress mo na rin mga critics
siguro.

I used to be critical on rock drum solos but after some time
it ain't about their drum solos, it's about their fans seeing
their idol. You just had to respect that.

basta wag lang ako pilitin manood ng lars ulrich drum solos hahahha!!!

Saludo ako sayo sir!!! respeto lang talaga...

[kibohead]

lupit talaga ni thomas lang and donati. ok din ang approach ni haake ng meshugahh, galing nila. 
i'm sure marami sa inyo dito ganun narin.

[drumster]

whatever.. ughhh
you look like a village idiot to me. period.

Everybody's entitled to their opinions, and we have to respect it.  And bro toybitz expressed his thoughts in a constructive manner.

He didn't say that Mike Portnoy is a bad drummer.  For his personal taste and preference, he's just not so much into his drum soloing style.  Can't really please everybody, I guess.

So, no need to call toybitz (or anybody) a village idiot.  Actually, knowing toybitz, he is mature and credible enough to speak out his personal and musical thoughts. 

Peace out!  Okay, moving on...

   

[toybitz]

whatever.. ughhh
you look like a village idiot to me. period.

sorry. 

[toybitz]

thanks Drumster...

yes, I'm mature enough para hindi patulan si the "one whose name we dare not speak". 

[lil.drummerboy]

walang away dito.