Parallel Effects Chain Thread

[rolexm]

Hi everyone!

I've been curious about stereo setups lately because of a guitarist friend of mine. He splits hit guitar signal and runs 1 guitar to 2 effect chains. I was wondering if any of you have done the same but merge the signal back to one to run into one amp?

Anyone have an idea how to do this?

This is what I imagine in my head, though the 2 split/mix box could just be one box.

[samuelfianza]

Balak kong gawin yan. A clean and Distorted sound at the same time.

I think it will work using this.

[hack3rberry]

Balak kong gawin yan. A clean and Distorted sound at the same time.

I think it will work using this.

i think it won't work yung clean and distorted sound kung isa lang ang amp.

[pao2pao16]

Balak kong gawin yan. A clean and Distorted sound at the same time.

I think it will work using this.

This will merge the signal. It will work. But you still need something to split the signal from guitar.

[rolexm]

There is also something that you can use to split the guitar sound and to merge it back as well. Anyone who can make a depot box for this? Like guitar in, that can split into two. Then a another depot box to merge the signals?

[Musikerochan]

^stand by peeps, by end of March hopefully matapos ko na yung signal splitter/parallel blender project ko

[rolexm]

^stand by peeps, by end of March hopefully matapos ko na yung signal splitter/parallel blender project ko

I knew it. Someone is at it!

[nitroaurora]

uy ok yan sir, hintayin namin yan...

[juan_portnoy]

Uy nice thread! This is very timely sakin kasi I've recently changed my set-up to an A/B/Bypass thingy watchamacallit hehe.

Currently I have:

Loop A: DOD YJM308 Preamp/OD >> Damage Control Womanizer >> SubZero Echobase Delay

Loop B: Digitech RP500

After the A/B/Bypass looper I have: SixDayOldString Blaster Clean Boost pedal >> Volume pedal

I'm currently using an A/B/Bypass box as I've mentioned but I'm also playing with the idea of using an A/B/A+B box. I'm really curious as to what kind of sounds I'll get (if I get decent sounds at all) kasi the they are gonna be summed into a single amp lang. I'm sure pag stereo set-up mas maganda ang end-result.

I'm hoping may mag post ng experiences dito or maybe I should just get an A/B/A+B box nalang ang try it din hehe.  



Great thread TS!

[Musikerochan]

I knew it. Someone is at it!

shhhh balak ko kasi dati magkaroon ng tipong 2 signal lines tapos magkaiba yung output. pwede kung stereo output yung pedal tapos magra-run ka ng separate lines papunta sa 2 amps. e pano pag isa lang? experiment kumbaga. tsaka sa gig usually isa lang ang amp kaya mukhang malabo yung gusto kong stereo setup, kaya ito na lang naisip kong posibleng solusyon kung isa lang ang amp.

i think pinakamamakikinabang dito yung mga bassists lalo na those who like to use dirt pedals. yung kaibigan ko kasi ang common complaint nya is either manipis yung tone pag may dirt pedal sya engaged, or too brittle sa high end. with this, it will retain part of the fundamental bass tone para hindi totally mawala yung lalim ng tunog and iwasan maging manipis yung tone.

[rolexm]

Uy nice thread! This is very timely sakin kasi I've recently changed my set-up to an A/B/Bypass thingy watchamacallit hehe.

Currently I have:

Loop A: DOD YJM308 Preamp/OD >> Damage Control Womanizer >> SubZero Echobase Delay

Loop B: Digitech RP500

After the A/B/Bypass looper I have: SixDayOldString Blaster Clean Boost pedal >> Volume pedal

I'm currently using an A/B/Bypass box as I've mentioned but I'm also playing with the idea of using an A/B/A+B box. I'm really curious as to what kind of sounds I'll get (if I get decent sounds at all) kasi the they are gonna be summed into a single amp lang. I'm sure pag stereo set-up mas maganda ang end-result.

I'm hoping may mag post ng experiences dito or maybe I should just get an A/B/A+B box nalang ang try it din hehe.  

Great thread TS!

Thank you sir. I'm trying out the same thing. I am getting a Club 12 today so I don't know if I'll go stereo pa. But either way, wouldn't it be cool to have the option of going stereo OR both signals in one amp by picking the output jack of the gadget?

shhhh balak ko kasi dati magkaroon ng tipong 2 signal lines tapos magkaiba yung output. pwede kung stereo output yung pedal tapos magra-run ka ng separate lines papunta sa 2 amps. e pano pag isa lang? experiment kumbaga. tsaka sa gig usually isa lang ang amp kaya mukhang malabo yung gusto kong stereo setup, kaya ito na lang naisip kong posibleng solusyon kung isa lang ang amp.

i think pinakamamakikinabang dito yung mga bassists lalo na those who like to use dirt pedals. yung kaibigan ko kasi ang common complaint nya is either manipis yung tone pag may dirt pedal sya engaged, or too brittle sa high end. with this, it will retain part of the fundamental bass tone para hindi totally mawala yung lalim ng tunog and iwasan maging manipis yung tone.

Parang sheehan, 2 outputs yung guitar niya, one for each pickup. But then we try to replicate a similar result using a signal splitter. I shall draw something up to illustrate what I'm thinking by the end of the day.

[Musikerochan]

bale ganito yung sakin:

signal - split into 2 channels.

channel 1 > you can run kunyari a phaser, OD, envelope filter, tapos babalik sa mixer.
channel 2 > fuzz naman kunyari, tremolo, and delay. tapos babalik sa mixer. imi-mix yung 2 signal chains.

tapos mono na yung output paglabas.

if one channel gets unused, it will work as a buffer, preserving your base tone.

[rolexm]

Picture added. Sorry for the lousy art skills. I would've used photoshop but I couldn't find a decent topview for a looper/mixer pedal. 

[juan_portnoy]

Great idea bro. An A/B/A+B box could do the summed one I guess but the stereo option is a huge plus for sure. Wonder if someone makes one with stereo outs.. Ayus yun kung single guitarist yung band tapos 2 amps sa venue. Rapsaaa!!!

Ok din siguro kung may option for pedals with stereo ins and outs para ma-pan din sa 2 amps.

[Musikerochan]

here's what im cooking:


a 1-amp setup with 2 signal lines


2-amp setup, you can stick pedals dun sa second output. you dont use the return jack of the mixer


1-amp setup with emphasis on keeping the base tone (unused 2nd channel), so that there is always a "dry"  signal even with the pedals engaged; recommended setup for bassists.

meron ba jan na sakto sa target mong setup men?

if it does, it has also saved you one box

hindi ako papahuli kung lousy photo skills lang naman hehehe.

[rolexm]

Ok din siguro kung may option for pedals with stereo ins and outs para ma-pan din sa 2 amps.

Now, I can't conceptualize that at the moment. Haha. Anyone want to draw a picture? 

here's what im cooking:


a 1-amp setup with 2 signal lines

This is what I'm talking about, a single box to do it but what I want is a stereo out as well.

[rjthemute]

interesting, maganda yung blend idea, maybe you could include a pot para may control kung gano karami ang signal A or B, kaya ba yun . I'd be very interested in a stereo in - stereo out mixer box with an option for mono out only (in case you only one amp is available) + a blend knob...maybe even separate master level controls for ins A and B, haha, just spit balling

[Musikerochan]

@rj, yes the proto i have will have a blend control

@rolexm,

stereo out? hmmm, pwede kaya yung unang setup, pero wag na lang ibalik sa return function ng mixer?

[rolexm]

interesting, maganda yung blend idea, maybe you could include a pot para may control kung gano karami ang signal A or B, kaya ba yun . I'd be very interested in a stereo in - stereo out mixer box with an option for mono out only (in case you only one amp is available) + a blend knob...maybe even separate master level controls for ins A and B, haha, just spit balling

Blending to adjust the levels of each channel? Though, I think if you run effects on both chains, one of them should ideally have a volume control. 

[juan_portnoy]

Now, I can't conceptualize that at the moment. Haha. Anyone want to draw a picture? 

I was thinking of something like this pero parang may mali hehe 

[rolexm]

stereo out? hmmm, pwede kaya yung unang setup, pero wag na lang ibalik sa return function ng mixer?

Di ko ma-imagine. Parang same lang sa isip ko eh.

I was thinking of something like this pero parang may mali hehe 

I think possible sinasabi mo but you'll need 2 sets of the split/mix box because the effects you want have to be post dirt. It's just another complicated story. </3

[sheepsmellslikeseashells]

Hi everyone!

I've been curious about stereo setups lately because of a guitarist friend of mine. He splits hit guitar signal and runs 1 guitar to 2 effect chains. I was wondering if any of you have done the same but merge the signal back to one to run into one amp?

Anyone have an idea how to do this?

I've been up to the task of building a separate "pad" effects board, actually. Currently, my chain all runs in series. But, for the said project, what i have in mind is a direct guitar signal being split by a good signal splitting unit. Perhaps, a Radial Bigshot will do. From there, output A goes to "Pedal Board A" which is a series of pedals generically a Volume Pedal/Tuner, Pre-comp Boost/Drive pedal, Fuzz, Wah, Compressor, 2 Drive Pedals, Tremolo & 2-Delays (in stereo-panning). ...output B, on the other hand, goes to "Pedal Board B" which is then another series of pedals in particular such as a Volume Pedal, MicroPOG, Digitech Whammy 4 (optional), Boss PS3, Verbzilla (High Damping/optional) & a Strymon Bluesky (Low Damping).

Although Pedal Board A may be run independently on a single amp, it's basically a luxurious (not to mention ridiculous) 3-amp setup. Since, Pedal Board A may run in stereo panning already. ...on the other hand, Pedal Board B may be run on 2 amps too; which makes it a possible 4-amp set-up.

Right now, i still have a handful to acquire namely: Bigshot, Pre-comp Boost/Drive, MicroPOG, Whammy 4, (another) Volume Pedal, and then the Bluesky not the mention a reliable PSU for that matter. Temporarily, i'm using my ART-Xtreme for the "MicroPOG" sound wall, though.

Below are some recently recorded "conceptual demos" of, at least, how the end result would sound like. I'm really sorry about the audio quality, though. Cheers!

[teleclem]

I was thinking of something like this pero parang may mali hehe 

Interesting. So yung first and last boxes yung "mixer/splitter/stero box thing" there? The first one would be to split the signal into two para sa dalawang fx loops and then the last one would be there to have the option of running everything into one (mono) amp while still retaining the option to go with a stereo amp? Nagets ko ba?

Ang mahirap din siguro - maraming delay/reverb pedals na stereo out pero kaunti lang yung both stereo in and out. That's something I've wanted in a couple of delays na stereo out. Oks lang kung one pedal lang gagamitin na stereo tas last siya sa chain. Pero if I have two pedals na stereo out, I'd have to choose one lang kasi walang stereo in sila.

EDIT - @sheepsmellslikeseashells: That 4 amp set-up would be epic, albeit impractical to bring around. Must be cool to run that though. I think I can recommend a Cioks to power those boards. Siya na pinakaflexible & reliable sa mga nakita ko.

[rjthemute]

Interesting. So yung first and last boxes yung "mixer/splitter/stero box thing" there? The first one would be to split the signal into two para sa dalawang fx loops and then the last one would be there to have the option of running everything into one (mono) amp while still retaining the option to go with a stereo amp? Nagets ko ba?

Ang mahirap din siguro - maraming delay/reverb pedals na stereo out pero kaunti lang yung both stereo in and out. That's something I've wanted in a couple of delays na stereo out. Oks lang kung one pedal lang gagamitin na stereo tas last siya sa chain. Pero if I have two pedals na stereo out, I'd have to choose one lang kasi walang stereo in sila.

EDIT - @sheepsmellslikeseashells: That 4 amp set-up would be epic, albeit impractical to bring around. Must be cool to run that though. I think I can recommend a Cioks to power those boards. Siya na pinakaflexible & reliable sa mga nakita ko.

yun din iniisip ko, para may option to go stereo kung may bakanteng amp without board re-routing etc...

Blending to adjust the levels of each channel? Though, I think if you run effects on both chains, one of them should ideally have a volume control. 

I guess yung blend na naiisip ko is for the summing to mono aspect only, parang mix knob b/n A and B basically. Yung master level for each channel naisip ko lang para di na kelangan maglakad back and forth papunta sa mga amp

[sheepsmellslikeseashells]

EDIT - @sheepsmellslikeseashells: That 4 amp set-up would be epic, albeit impractical to bring around. Must be cool to run that though. I think I can recommend a Cioks to power those boards. Siya na pinakaflexible & reliable sa mga nakita ko.

On live set-up, i think you'll just have to bring a couple of Line 6 UX-2's. Given that, it would still be a nightmare for the musician and the sound-tech if it's just for a 6-song gig. LawL!