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Re: USB and Firewire Mixers
« Reply #75 on: January 25, 2007, 12:41:11 AM »
...so should I get the TASCAM FW-1082?

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Re: USB and Firewire Mixers
« Reply #76 on: January 25, 2007, 10:47:22 AM »
aba aba sir, delikado to ah...hmmm..makapagbasa basa nga...hehehe :-P ngatz.gbu
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« Reply #77 on: January 25, 2007, 11:38:20 AM »
aba aba sir, delikado to ah...hmmm..makapagbasa basa nga...hehehe :-P ngatz.gbu

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Re: USB and Firewire Mixers
« Reply #78 on: January 25, 2007, 11:47:04 AM »
delikado talaga! delikado ang bulsa ko! nyahahahha

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« Reply #79 on: January 29, 2007, 01:04:20 PM »
im still thinking if ill get the 1082 or get an alphatrack DAW Controller na lang
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Re: USB and Firewire Mixers
« Reply #80 on: January 30, 2007, 01:28:41 PM »
Jepoy, I noticed astig yung PC mo, kmusta naman performance paired with your Alesis FW? Anong DAW gamit mo?
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Re: USB and Firewire Mixers
« Reply #81 on: January 30, 2007, 02:03:41 PM »
Jepoy, I noticed astig yung PC mo, kmusta naman performance paired with your Alesis FW? Anong DAW gamit mo?

personally... im impressed and satisfied. KitC, BAMF and niquetech seen it already and worked with it already. maybe ask them also :)

si redcomet checked it out also coz he's planning to buy my alesis 8
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Re: USB and Firewire Mixers
« Reply #82 on: February 01, 2007, 04:12:55 PM »
maangas na pc. yun lang ang masasabi ko. :)

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Re: USB and Firewire Mixers
« Reply #83 on: February 01, 2007, 05:08:48 PM »
Phonic released new generation helixboard FW with the postfix “MKII”. There are quite a number of interesting modifications of this release. For 18FW, a new heat sink replaces the previous model's fan, so you'll get even quieter operation. Also MKII model's effects are now selectable pre/post. Pre/post switch for swapping streaming input channels to computer from pre low cut, EQ to post EQ, post channel fader.

Would be this new feature can record the insert, EQ and effects to your streaming while tracking? To some, this might not be necessary and useful but this would be a cool feature to some home recording hobbyist.
« Last Edit: February 01, 2007, 05:09:56 PM by TheHunter »
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Re: USB and Firewire Mixers
« Reply #84 on: February 01, 2007, 06:38:39 PM »
@TheHunter: ano kaya ang mas good buy, yung phonic o yung alesis?

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« Reply #85 on: February 01, 2007, 06:57:57 PM »
@nichteque, before I bought my Phonic, I'm considering either Alesis and Phonic and after exploring the net I decided to get the Phonic. I think they are similar, but I read that Alesis had few driver issues and noisy preamp. Perhaps Jepoy can comment on this. In fact I had some issues before with Phonic driver but it was resolved after knowing the right turn on sequence (PC first then Phonic).

Alesis released also new model Alesis IO14 which support MIDI. So if your into MIDI this is worth looking. ADAT is one added feature which is good if you have ADAT preamp/device.

Cheers!  :-)

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« Reply #86 on: February 01, 2007, 07:05:20 PM »
Driver issues with Alesis are mostly USER PROBLEMS from all the reviews/forums I read. Its mostly common driver installation and sometimes their DAW are low end pc's.

I havnt had any problems at all. even KitC can agree with that. :)
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« Reply #87 on: February 01, 2007, 10:14:26 PM »
@Jepoy Thanks good to know...
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Re: USB and Firewire Mixers
« Reply #88 on: February 16, 2007, 09:49:55 PM »
haaaayy. help me people!

just got a word from my friend that she can get the Tascam FW-1082 for $499

HELP ME! Kinakabag na naman ako... to Gas or not to GAS!?!?! That is the question....
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« Reply #89 on: February 17, 2007, 12:33:13 PM »
I used to own a USB Mixer, Alesis Multimix 8 USB that was packaged with the Podcasting Kit of Alesis. I decided to go firewire for lesser latency coz firewire is way faster than USB in transfer rate.

Sir,

May tanong lang ako tungkol sa Alesis Multimix Firewire, nung binasa ko yung features nya may nakalagay na "Record each mixer channel, plus the main stereo mix".  Tama ba intindi ko? lahat ng channels eh ma-irerecord ko all at the same time?, and would appear sa recording software ko as separate tracks?


Yes you can record all tracks at the same time individually on seperate tracks on your software. kung 12 mics gamit mo for a drum track pede mo iassign per bus sa software mo lahat ng inputs individually. bale controlado mo lahat ng tracks mo individually during mixing na.


Nagtanong ako sa local distributor ng Alesis, wala pa daw sila nito..
meron akong nakita na Alesis Multimix 16 Firewire sa 5th Ave, kaya lang nung tinanong ko kung may 8 or 12 channels sila wala pa daw,
Sir may alam ka ba kung saan meron nung 8 or 12 channels lang?

its funny ... kasi ang local distro dito eh ang avesco at sila ang supplier ng 5th ave. ive seen the 8 and 12 sa 5th ave sa sm north recently lang.

local price yata nila for a 8fw is 33k.

saan nyo po nabili yung sa inyo? Thanks

i got both of my 16 and 8mmx fw sa US pa and its way cheaper hhehehe

if you want to get a cheap alesis visit http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php?topic=34395.0


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kung alesis hanap mo,try mo pakukuha sa singapore

bagasakan din dun ang alesis dun

we got our alesis 8mm firewire for sumwhere bet 16-19 k,peso converted..sumbody said
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Re: USB and Firewire Mixers
« Reply #90 on: February 17, 2007, 12:36:51 PM »

kung alesis hanap mo,try mo pakukuha sa singapore

bagasakan din dun ang alesis dun

we got our alesis 8mm firewire for sumwhere bet 16-19 k,peso converted..sumbody said
its 33k here..

i got mine for less than 10k
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Re: USB and Firewire Mixers
« Reply #91 on: February 17, 2007, 03:29:39 PM »
I heard so much about this Alesis USB mixer in this forums.  is it then a better option for straters like me.  kung kunin ko sa US ng mga 12K, then it is OK.  is it better than the other entry level soultions like M-Audio, EMU and behringer?  I want to get started and record my guitar tracks and vocals. is this for me?

and even if I get the 4 channel mixer, can i record more tracks than 4 with the software bundle?  I heard it should be as simple as assigning the mic input to the channel in the PC.

please guide a beginer like me.

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« Reply #92 on: February 17, 2007, 06:12:29 PM »
I heard so much about this Alesis USB mixer in this forums.  is it then a better option for straters like me.  kung kunin ko sa US ng mga 12K, then it is OK.  is it better than the other entry level soultions like M-Audio, EMU and behringer?  I want to get started and record my guitar tracks and vocals. is this for me?


I had an Alesis USB Mixer before. I got rid of it because of high latency. better get a firewire instead of the USB version.
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« Reply #93 on: February 17, 2007, 09:29:58 PM »
Fire wire version of the Alesis multi-mix?  that is better?  I saw in the web there is a USB2 version, is that supposed to be better than the USB version?

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« Reply #94 on: February 18, 2007, 01:51:56 AM »
Fire wire version of the Alesis multi-mix?  that is better?  I saw in the web there is a USB2 version, is that supposed to be better than the USB version?

USB 2 seems to be more prevalent than firewire on most motherboards. Is it better than firewire? I think not because of the cpu overhead when using USB.

Can you record more than 4 tracks with a 4 channel mixer? Hmmm... sounds like a trick question. Bundled software usually have limited track counts with anything from 32 to 48 and sometimes 64 tracks (it's a tease meant to entice you to buy the full-on version of their software). If your mixer can send 4 tracks to be simultaneously recorded, you will then have to build up your recording 4 tracks at a time. Read the fine print on some interfaces because although some state they have 4 channel inputs, sometimes only 2 channels can be recorded at a time. USB 1.1 mixers are somewhat notorious in this respect as well as some inexpensive multitrack HD recorders.
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Re: USB and Firewire Mixers
« Reply #95 on: February 19, 2007, 02:56:03 PM »
depends too on the firewire port of a computer, some built-in firewires are so-so. If you want max-throttle in your firewire device, get a good firewire exp card from a reliable brand.

AFAIK, usb ports are only for transfering files to and from your computer. Sometimes i use it as a charger. But using it like say, an external HD where you do video or large psd files, go firewire. Well at least thats my opinion.

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« Reply #96 on: February 19, 2007, 07:52:55 PM »
AFAIK, usb ports are only for transfering files to and from your computer. Sometimes i use it as a charger. But using it like say, an external HD where you do video or large psd files, go firewire. Well at least thats my opinion.

If you are refering to usb 1.1, it is usually sufficient for 2-channel I/O when it comes to audio. Usb 2, OTOH, has a max data bandwidth that is actually greater than Firewire 400 (so-called 1394a). Max bandwidth can be misleading, however, since what is important for audio is sustained bandwidth speeds. Depending on the pc configuration, USB 2 interfaces CAN compete toe-to-toe with Firewire 400 interfaces; the problem of higher cpu utilization with usb is what puts off some users. Obviously if you have a lower spec processor, usb will demand more from it than a higher spec processor - I have yet to see how dual/multi cores can possibly affect system performance since you can, in theory, allot one processor to the system/software while the other processor controls the usb2 interface. In practice, however, the interface's usb driver coding often does not take this into account.

As for firewire cards, it's usually recommended to use Texas Instrument chipset FW cards. Via firewire chipsets, both card and onboard, have performed inconsistently for audio use. AFAIK, the only interface that works well with Via is RME.
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« Reply #97 on: February 19, 2007, 08:14:34 PM »
well i guess so if your referring to statistical figures  :-D
but im just basing my reactions to real world experiences. Since i do a lot of video editing, my boss instructed me to use the usb2 port instead since we cant find an extra 6pin firewire cable. He said its blazingly fast naman  :roll:

And so 8rolls of DV to go and the computer is sooooo sluggish. I cant even scrub efficiently nor even hear audio at draft quality on my timeline. So i went home grab my cable and finished it in no time.

Well that i could say for video, i dont know for audio though. Especially when youre talking bout 4 sources at once.

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« Reply #98 on: February 19, 2007, 08:48:37 PM »
well i guess so if your referring to statistical figures  :-D
but im just basing my reactions to real world experiences. Since i do a lot of video editing, my boss instructed me to use the usb2 port instead since we cant find an extra 6pin firewire cable. He said its blazingly fast naman  :roll:

I do both hard disk and flashram transfers and it is fast; my Roland VariOS is connected to my USB2 port right now and the Roland is recognized as a drive and I transfer wave files for processing with the VariOS. Better check either the drivers or the port, it might be reverting to USB 1.1 speeds if the port driver detects an unrecognized peripheral.
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Re: USB and Firewire Mixers
« Reply #99 on: February 19, 2007, 11:32:18 PM »
well i guess so if your referring to statistical figures  :-D
but im just basing my reactions to real world experiences. Since i do a lot of video editing, my boss instructed me to use the usb2 port instead since we cant find an extra 6pin firewire cable. He said its blazingly fast naman  :roll:

And so 8rolls of DV to go and the computer is sooooo sluggish. I cant even scrub efficiently nor even hear audio at draft quality on my timeline. So i went home grab my cable and finished it in no time.

Well that i could say for video, i dont know for audio though. Especially when youre talking bout 4 sources at once.

This may be OT

regarding video editing / video transfer....

USB 1.1 and USB 2.0 cant really transfer the exact pixel size of a video at 720X480 or 720x540 that is captured on DV Tape. Yes i agree that its fast but video quality wise will not pass an tv airing broadcast or into dvd. Before USB was developed to be a part of a camcorder... IEEE 1394 (firewire) was  created and perfected to capture what analog video to digital converters can do also.

So in conclusion.... QUALITY WISE... Go with firewire.
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