Author Topic: QUALITY vs COST (Read 28930 times)

I guess he chickened out.

Lets see, we have a studio, top notch video production, 4 hours of tweaking, 3 hours of playing and its still not enough?

Even before I thought of the challenge, I knew he would impose a condition that would cloud everything and therefore make it impossible. 10 known guitarists to test his equipment and tape their comments? If only half did like this equipment, he will most probably claim that the other half had an off day or didn't really move their right hand in a swirling motion by their heads.

No audio or video production will ever truly capture what he claims? Using that logic, then all the CD's and Concert DVD's I bought are all lousy then.

Lets face it guys, he will always hide behind his keyboard and computer monitor.

But my proposal for a tone party still subsists. Lets plan it.

rolexm · « **Reply #133 on:** August 23, 2009, 08:31:03 PM »

Quote from: Letour on August 23, 2009, 08:17:03 PM

I guess he chickened out.

Lets see, we have a studio, top notch video production, 4 hours of tweaking, 3 hours of playing and its still not enough?

Even before I thought of the challenge, I knew he would impose a condition that would cloud everything and therefore make it impossible. 10 known guitarists to test his equipment and tape their comments? If only half did like this equipment, he will most probably claim that the other half had an off day or didn't really move their right hand in a swirling motion by their heads.

No audio or video production will ever truly capture what he claims? Using that logic, then all the CD's and Concert DVD's I bought are all lousy then.

Lets face it guys, he will always hide behind his keyboard and computer monitor.

But my proposal for a tone party still subsists. Lets plan it.

We've been doing it in small groups.

NATIONAL GAS DAY IS NEARING!

BAMF · « **Reply #134 on:** August 23, 2009, 10:08:53 PM »

Quote from: turiguiliano on August 23, 2009, 07:40:49 AM

Yup. LOA Studio (love one another). Perfect name for an event like this. LOL.

sa Tiendesitas banda !

arkeetar · « **Reply #135 on:** August 24, 2009, 08:39:12 AM »

bryanarzaga · « **Reply #136 on:** August 24, 2009, 08:50:39 AM »

so no suhr and baker tests.??...

april issue of premier guitar

http://digital.premierguitar.com/premierguitar/200904_1/?fm=2#pg23

james hunter on the left, to me the neck is relatively similar to chinese LP necks especially the screw being too close to the nut(a real gibson has bit of a spacing between nut and screw..yes i know it says a sweden luthier built it..i just dont buy that)

anyway the point is, if its good for this well known guitar player..it all comes to self preference..

also we have Greg Howe on the right..the guy plays and has been with different guitar company's..we know he is with laguna.. i played one of those they sound and play great(even being indo made, it felt different than the indo ibanez's), the headstock was like a design i couldnt 'love'..

arkeetar · « **Reply #137 on:** August 24, 2009, 08:58:55 AM »

unSUHR pa ata

bryanarzaga · « **Reply #138 on:** August 24, 2009, 09:11:14 AM »

Quote from: arkeetar on August 24, 2009, 08:58:55 AM

unSUHR pa ata

well i hope it does, i have been quite amused with the clips my friend sent me so if his guitar could reproduce that anomaly then great..otherwise im left to conclude adam has better access to people who know how to HANDPICK guitars(world guitars uk), who can set-up a guitar (probably better knowledge as well),..and no magic involved..

magic...disneyland..etc

Phil · « **Reply #139 on:** August 24, 2009, 09:20:32 AM »

Quote from: bryanarzaga on August 24, 2009, 08:50:39 AM

.....Greg Howe on the right..the guy plays and has been with different guitar company's..we know he is with laguna.. i played one of those they sound and play great(even being indo made, it felt different than the indo ibanez's), the headstock was like a design i couldnt 'love'..

Greg Howe can play anything....he is just not happy with the companies he has been dealing with...... considering the recession right now...who would spend on sponsoring someone when nobody isn't buying.

bryanarzaga · « **Reply #140 on:** August 24, 2009, 09:26:28 AM »

Quote from: Phil on August 24, 2009, 09:20:32 AM

Greg Howe can play anything....he is just not happy with the companies he has been dealing with...... considering the recession right now...who would spend on sponsoring someone when nobody isn't buying.

yep pretty much, considering those were well known, its been a while i saw him with laguna, but i looked at laguna before i knew he was endorsing and those have really good alnico pickups, matched right...just the headstock which to me looks like sardinas over ice cream, i agree he can rip on anything..

question is, why do some of our countrymen...ay nevermind...the cycle never ends anyway...

skunkyfunk · « **Reply #141 on:** August 24, 2009, 09:31:23 AM »

This is really ridiculous.

We all know for a fact that Alex CANNOT play as per what we define as a great player. I can easily kick his a$$ in the playing department, but I wouldn't say that I can getter better tone with my gear than if I play through his gear.

If we were to do a double blindfold test:

1. We should have at least 10 different folks of different playing skill and genre to play through your A/B/C/D... setup.
2. When we record the gear, good luck, even from a recording engineer's perspective, even the best preamps, A/D D/A converters, mics and acoustics can't be the best representation of a sound source. Try changing a guitar's tone knob from 10 to 9 and tell me you hear the difference in recording.

Phil · « **Reply #142 on:** August 24, 2009, 09:39:55 AM »

Quote from: bryanarzaga on August 24, 2009, 09:26:28 AM

yep pretty much, considering those were well known, its been a while i saw him with laguna, but i looked at laguna before i knew he was endorsing and those have really good alnico pickups, matched right...just the headstock which to me looks like sardinas over ice cream, i agree he can rip on anything..

question is, why do some of our countrymen...ay nevermind...the cycle never ends anyway...

there's a bunch of Laguna's here in my local mom and pop music store (where my son take his guitar lessons)... looks nice and decent. Their acoustic is not half bad either.

bryanarzaga · « **Reply #143 on:** August 24, 2009, 09:45:56 AM »

im interested if that anomaly which was shared by a friend of mine exists in the said guitars..if the guitars have it then im set in defining that i will get one..Suhr for Suhr

that's all i want no player bashing..people have different skill sets, its just the glorious praises that kept being repeated and as a player and likely consumer i need to get as much info as possible, between standard and modern..my local shop that use to have those closed down, all we have now is guitarcenter(3 locations) and 5 mom pops stores..

Quote from: Phil on August 24, 2009, 09:39:55 AM

there's a bunch of Laguna's here in my local mom and pop music store (where my son take his guitar lessons)... looks nice and decent. Their acoustic is not half bad either.

your kids all grown up na? cool

rolexm · « **Reply #144 on:** August 24, 2009, 09:54:03 AM »

Quote from: skunkyfunk on August 24, 2009, 09:31:23 AM

This is really ridiculous.

We all know for a fact that Alex CANNOT play as per what we define as a great player. I can easily kick his a$$ in the playing department, but I wouldn't say that I can getter better tone with my gear than if I play through his gear.

If we were to do a double blindfold test:

1. We should have at least 10 different folks of different playing skill and genre to play through your A/B/C/D... setup.
2. When we record the gear, good luck, even from a recording engineer's perspective, even the best preamps, A/D D/A converters, mics and acoustics can't be the best representation of a sound source. Try changing a guitar's tone knob from 10 to 9 and tell me you hear the difference in recording.

And I thought we were just getting this on Video.

pitongjerome · « **Reply #145 on:** August 24, 2009, 09:56:27 AM »

Quote from: firemodel55 on August 21, 2009, 05:10:48 AM

AS TO HOW I CHOSE TO EARN A LIVING AND LIVE MY LIFE THATS MY BUSINESS, IF AND ONLY IF GIGGING COULD PAY ME MORE THAN WHAT I AM EARNING NOW THEN I WOULD GLADLY GIG THE REST OF MY LIFE.

may i just tell that you aint an authority when it comes to music.. you are not. hobbyist maybe?

skunkyfunk · « **Reply #146 on:** August 24, 2009, 10:04:32 AM »

Quote from: pitongjerome on August 24, 2009, 09:56:27 AM

may i just tell that you aint an authority when it comes to music.. you are not. hobbyist maybe?

Sino ba authority sa music para sa iyo?

Funny how we bash the big boys in music yet we always look for their stamp approval.

arkeetar · « **Reply #147 on:** August 24, 2009, 10:34:44 AM »

pitongjerome · « **Reply #148 on:** August 24, 2009, 10:58:20 AM »

the ones whose opinions aren't biased by pricetags, those who do not say "test your (insert guitar model) against my (custom expensive guitar)" those who have been into music for a long time and is very experienced, those whose ears are trained very well, those who can tell whether that this "magical sound" is produced by the guitar itself or the player itself. the ones that has proven knowledge in music, yes music is very broad, i mean, there are authorities when it comes to pedals, guitars, amps and stuff.

may naprove naba si mr firemodel besides sa mamahaling guitar?

in short, you can't bash others gears if you ain't an authority.

Letour · « **Reply #149 on:** August 24, 2009, 11:08:54 AM »

I must admit that this is getting quite out of hand. And I will admit again that I started a challenge on this thread. But I know I am not the first.

In every "hobby", there is always 1 person with all the money to buy the most expensive gear. Golf, photography, cars, cycling, etc.

But does that same person have the skills to fully utilize the gear he bought? Sometimes it happens but most often not. They just spend the extra money so that they can hear "wow, pare ang ganda ng gear mo".

But in this Philmusic, its very different. This one guy we all know not only brags but at the same time he bashes, criticizes, maligns the manufacturer, and threatens that his gear (played by someone else of course) will smash his enemies.

In cycling, if you brag - show it on the road. In Golf, if you brag - show it on the course. Same goes for guitars and gear. You brag - you play.

In the real world, you got to back up what you say, personally. We want to respect and admire his capacity to "buy" the gear. But we can't give him that respect and admiration if he continues on what he does know best. And we all know what he is really good at.

I can't accept other people to substitute for a test. This is not F1 where drivers are hired to drive the best cars. This is not the NBA where casino owners pay tall athletes to play for them.

Whether a $5000 guitar or #55 will give the best tone, I don't care anymore. Since as they top people say, their uniqueness will never be captured on video or audio. Using that logic, there can never be evidence of a claim. If a claim cannot be proved, then that claim must fail.

If I say that my $100 EPI can sound a whale driving a BMW, will you believe me? All I have to say is that no audio or video will truly capture that sound. The audio will just make it sound like the whale is driving a Benz.

Time to move on... The challenge is now moot.

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Author Topic: QUALITY vs COST (Read 28930 times)